there is more to it than price. with microsoft, they own your computer. don't think so, read the eula. they tell you what you can and cannot do. and they own your data. tell me, without.doc, really, what keeps businesses so wed? there is hardly the anti os x sentiment. sure some, but not rampant. and only the core is OSS. and it sure aint free. having used linux on my desktop for years (and yes i also have an ibook), there is nothing i am missing not using windows. (and no i'm not some IT dude, i'm a school teacher) the whole linux desktop debate is stupid. if employess are too lame to understand/home/janedoe == c:\my documents, and can't figure out how to use star writer after using word for a few years, hell then a company deserves the morons they hired. that'll cost them far more than any software will.
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sure there are some neat features undernetah. but this mostly looks like just more eye candy. for the average user, there will be nothing of significance, save DRM, that isn't already in XP. really. it looks like a combination of KDE and OS X desktops. but that is microsoft innovation really. "borrow" something two years old, integrate it into your product and call it new.
microsoft faces some big future challenges and they recognize this..NET is all about this. they are trying to change basic software/user paradigms. they defined the first one with the desktop PC, now they are trying to redefine it again. the question is will they be successful? it is just that innovation and new ideas don't typically come from redmond.
sun is a technology company. dell is a reseller. for a fortune 500 company, they have one of the lowest r&d budgets. all their r&d is done by intel, microsoft, and the OSS community. all they have perfected is the most efficient way to build a pc and ship it to you, oh yeah, and make cool ads, dude.
sun is a true tech company. so is ibm, and so is apple. you might hate/love each of them, but you can't deny they innovate. dell wouldn't know what to do with java anymore than microsoft would. of course, figuring how much gates' ass mikey dell kisses, guess we know what dell would do to java. and sparc. and solaris. and...
i've seriously wondered about windows code. how easy would it be for some microslave to head over to sourceforge when he goes home and come to work next day with "altered" gpl stuff?
bush is not another word for cunt. bush refers to the hair that would grow in the pubic region, as in "did you see her bush". however, the cunt is actually the vaginal region which woul dinclude the lips, the clit, and the actual vag, the hole. of course, being a slight, it would be analogous to a guy being called a dick. yet for women it is much worse, whereas the male genitalia is like man, outward, forceful, and simplistic, the vagina is inside, very personal, secretive and special, requiring gentility. so to cal a woman a cunt is to deride the very nature of her womanhood.
being a "dick", while an insult is sometimes a desirable male epithet, while for a woman, there can be no positive to be seen from being a cunt. ostracized by women, ignored or treated callously by men, the cunt is an outcast.
cunt is as powerful and emotive a word for women a the n-word is for blacks. bush is just slang for pubes. so, bush cannot be another word for cunt. cheers,
i am a teacher. you gotta understand the school district mentality. i have tried to introduce linux many times. but there are several problems. one, school districts pay for crap, and get bottom of the barrell techs. they are not going to be able to spell linux. two, they get lotsa freebies from the redmond posse. three, sadly, linux means they don't have control. and well, that ain't gonna happen. but i'll tell you how to do it. install one piece of unlicensed warez on a box. call the BSA. they'll come down and make the district audit every box. for starters. then maybe they'll listen.
before i get flamed or trolled, there are lots of great apps that run on windows, apps that don't come from microsoft. if a company can keep their same apps, running atop linux, then it will make migration much easier, even possible. then, when the install base of linux goes up, companies will offer commercial apps on linux.
the problem that linux desktop adoption has is not quality nor quantity. there are plenty of both. there is always that one app that can't be replaced. microsoft's hold on the desktop is tenuous at best. they do know this. why else all the EULA fuss over foxpro. they have traction, but they don't have momentum. they have a base that HAS TO use their products, but many don't necessarily choose to. this gives businesses one less reson to not look into linux.
of course you can't sue microsoft. i wasn't insinuating that you can. however, i worked for a sporting goods store for few years. we wouldn't sell a single product whose company didn't have major insurance. why? you figure it out. hell, we were only the store, not the manufacturer. point is is that people like someone to blame, someone to point fingers at. and yes, they like to fling lawyers at also. companies like microsoft are beholden to shareholders. lots of them. you think all the security foibles haven't hurt their stock price? since there's no way to measure the amount, it could be huge, could be tiny, or none. i think it has alot. why? because they don't control the most lucrative markets in computing due to their problems, and they probably never will, and this limits their growth, i.e. their stock. you won't see windows running the stock market, flight control centers, datacenters, etc., because trying to do so would be a "liability" on the part of the company that did so. it's not that microsoft would be sued, it's that they can be blamed. the suing part is just symbolic.
i am a teacher, and i think i can give you some insight. there are several reasons. one, software companies see schools ans students like drug dealers do. they will damn near give away there software because if you get "hooked" on their stuff, when you leave, you only kow there software. and the district level people see the supposed great deal they get. two, in our district, some of the technidiots have gone to microsoft seminars, and come home with all sorts of freebies. it's like freakin halloween. so, they are not going to be the one that suggests OSS when they lose their sugar daddy. three, most school tech people are bottom of the barrell. for instance, i run linux inmy classroom, and the technidiots can't figure out how i can access the internet nor my novell network shares from linux, since "novell doesn't support linux". ipx_configure and ncpmount. districts can't pay going wages. so they get those least able to find jobs in the private sector.
something else, too. they just don't know linux and don't want to. they have no need to save the district money nor do they have any need nor desire to improve their skills. school district jobs are permanent jobs. they don't want to rock the boat. if the district dared move to linux, they'd be out of work or would have to retool their skills. they want neither. i could go on with endless stories but i won't bore you. keep up the fight, and take it to your school board. here's what you do. find just one area that OSS can do more, for less. it shouldn't be too hard. present it to the school board. they have their meetings open to the public. these people are elected. they care about votes. if they can say they saved money and improved __________ (fill inthe blank), let them get the credit, and you'll be more successful. for instance, give them examples where this "linux thing" has been adopted by companies, to show that it is a viable, powerful, etc., solution. i'd love to help.
i have run into lots of problems too. keep up the good fight. the latin phrase goes something like non illegetimum carborundum. don't let the bastards get you down!!! email me if you need assisstance. rmandel AT hartdistrict.org (sorry for the typos, it's 1AM where i'm,at)
the problem with OSS as far as gov't/schools are concerned is that when you have a company that makes the software, hardware, buildings, etc., you have somebody a) at the other end of the phone line and b) someone to sue. if you don't think that is important, you're mistaken. governmnets and schools do not want accountability. since i am a public school teacher, i can attest to this. these people want to be able to blame someone, for something. they don't want the responsibility. with OSS, even say red hat or suse, what, you gonna sue them or call them when something goes wrong. yes, i know you get support contracts. but it ain't the same.
using OSS requires taking risk. these people won't do it. it is so much easier to "just use microsoft". you can't be faulted for making a "bad decision". but you choose to go with OSS, and it has even 1/10 the problems that microsoft's "solutions", you get your ass fried. please remember, some of the problems with public procurement:
1) if you get $100, and spend $105, you demonstrated a need
2) if you get $100, and spend $85, next year you get $75, since yoiuy don't ned it, and guess what, the schmuck who overspent, get's your chunk
3) it isn't you're money, you don't care
4) typically your purchasing decisions will reflect on your higher ups, whose recommendations you need to advance
5) cheaper is better, most of the time. if you get 20 of item A for $100 and 25 of item B for $100, B is better choice. but, if you get 30 OSS items for $0, see rule #1
my father spent thirty years selling, and schools and gov'ts were among his clients. they were most notorious for doing this: they'd see his competitors crap, buy it, and when it broke, he'd sell them a better system. so the purchasing agent got to:1) buy more for less, 2) blame company for product problem, 3) got credit for solving problem, 4) get's bigger budget next year
you think i'm full of shit? how i wish i was. if you have never spent much time in schools (i have) or government, you are missing quite a learning experience. so, it is no surprise that OSS is not widely adopted in public service. but, call and write your elected officials. remember, THEY care about public dollars.
if he'd have just shown it in openoffice, he'd have been fine. i import lots of ppt's into OO.o and they import fine. i haven't exported much, but basic stuff works. but hell, that i sthe point. if you use OO.o, USE OO.o.
Testing the Red Hat, Lycoris, and Lindows desktop offerings we would have to buy a number of additional licenses - while we already have a campus license for MS Windows and Office.
huh? even if you bought a copy instead of a downloaded version, you still install it on unlimited machines. methinks you are unaware of the GPL. for hardware compat. try mandrake. yes, there is going to be file problems, but you were talking about programmers for your servers. and what exactly do you mean they have to "X-window into the linux servers..." how else might you do this other than on *nix?
i have used linux as a desktop OS for a few years. the problem is that everyone expects windows. it's like going into a great sushi restaraunt when all you've ever eating is fried catfish.
what exactly does X lack? please. i have been using it for several years, and it has improved immensely, yes, but i have never had any problems with it. as forthe network thing, i use it in my classroom every day. i have a p3 serving up X to several boxes in my classroom, and not only has it never crashed, but it runs very fast over a 10/100 lan. why all the bitching? i don't get it.
the movie won an oscar as a fucking documentary. he presented it as a truthful tale. it was packed with lies. he never disavowed all the lies in his book. i disagree with micahel moore, obviuously. but he is an asshole and an idiot. period. only can the far left get away with such crap.
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open up VB. insert tab control. insert web browser control. add an add tab function. viola, tabbed browsing.
simpson that is...
DOH!!!
It's the perfect plan. What could go wrong?
I don't know, all kinds a shit
there is more to it than price. with microsoft, they own your computer. don't think so, read the eula. they tell you what you can and cannot do. and they own your data. tell me, without .doc, really, what keeps businesses so wed? there is hardly the anti os x sentiment. sure some, but not rampant. and only the core is OSS. and it sure aint free. having used linux on my desktop for years (and yes i also have an ibook), there is nothing i am missing not using windows. (and no i'm not some IT dude, i'm a school teacher) the whole linux desktop debate is stupid. if employess are too lame to understand /home/janedoe == c:\my documents, and can't figure out how to use star writer after using word for a few years, hell then a company deserves the morons they hired. that'll cost them far more than any software will.
i'm not dead yet
WHACK
you are now
but in this age of popups and spam
ah, still using IE are you. try this
sure there are some neat features undernetah. but this mostly looks like just more eye candy. for the average user, there will be nothing of significance, save DRM, that isn't already in XP. really. it looks like a combination of KDE and OS X desktops. but that is microsoft innovation really. "borrow" something two years old, integrate it into your product and call it new.
.NET is all about this. they are trying to change basic software/user paradigms. they defined the first one with the desktop PC, now they are trying to redefine it again. the question is will they be successful? it is just that innovation and new ideas don't typically come from redmond.
microsoft faces some big future challenges and they recognize this.
sun is a technology company. dell is a reseller. for a fortune 500 company, they have one of the lowest r&d budgets. all their r&d is done by intel, microsoft, and the OSS community. all they have perfected is the most efficient way to build a pc and ship it to you, oh yeah, and make cool ads, dude.
sun is a true tech company. so is ibm, and so is apple. you might hate/love each of them, but you can't deny they innovate. dell wouldn't know what to do with java anymore than microsoft would. of course, figuring how much gates' ass mikey dell kisses, guess we know what dell would do to java. and sparc. and solaris. and...
microsoft products are for shit anyways
i've seriously wondered about windows code. how easy would it be for some microslave to head over to sourceforge when he goes home and come to work next day with "altered" gpl stuff?
when your OpenBSD server with 30 year uptime needs work, you'll need one of those manuals!!
imgine a condominium complex. a beowolf cluster!!
bush is not another word for cunt. bush refers to the hair that would grow in the pubic region, as in "did you see her bush". however, the cunt is actually the vaginal region which woul dinclude the lips, the clit, and the actual vag, the hole. of course, being a slight, it would be analogous to a guy being called a dick. yet for women it is much worse, whereas the male genitalia is like man, outward, forceful, and simplistic, the vagina is inside, very personal, secretive and special, requiring gentility. so to cal a woman a cunt is to deride the very nature of her womanhood.
being a "dick", while an insult is sometimes a desirable male epithet, while for a woman, there can be no positive to be seen from being a cunt. ostracized by women, ignored or treated callously by men, the cunt is an outcast.
cunt is as powerful and emotive a word for women a the n-word is for blacks. bush is just slang for pubes. so, bush cannot be another word for cunt. cheers,
i am a teacher. you gotta understand the school district mentality. i have tried to introduce linux many times. but there are several problems. one, school districts pay for crap, and get bottom of the barrell techs. they are not going to be able to spell linux. two, they get lotsa freebies from the redmond posse. three, sadly, linux means they don't have control. and well, that ain't gonna happen. but i'll tell you how to do it. install one piece of unlicensed warez on a box. call the BSA. they'll come down and make the district audit every box. for starters. then maybe they'll listen.
You install only what you need. Your Distro. Your Rules. Enjoy
before i get flamed or trolled, there are lots of great apps that run on windows, apps that don't come from microsoft. if a company can keep their same apps, running atop linux, then it will make migration much easier, even possible. then, when the install base of linux goes up, companies will offer commercial apps on linux.
the problem that linux desktop adoption has is not quality nor quantity. there are plenty of both. there is always that one app that can't be replaced. microsoft's hold on the desktop is tenuous at best. they do know this. why else all the EULA fuss over foxpro. they have traction, but they don't have momentum. they have a base that HAS TO use their products, but many don't necessarily choose to. this gives businesses one less reson to not look into linux.
hasn't bill gates been hoping for this?
if you've never been, you gotta go. they have beenusing them there for years.
of course you can't sue microsoft. i wasn't insinuating that you can. however, i worked for a sporting goods store for few years. we wouldn't sell a single product whose company didn't have major insurance. why? you figure it out. hell, we were only the store, not the manufacturer. point is is that people like someone to blame, someone to point fingers at. and yes, they like to fling lawyers at also. companies like microsoft are beholden to shareholders. lots of them. you think all the security foibles haven't hurt their stock price? since there's no way to measure the amount, it could be huge, could be tiny, or none. i think it has alot. why? because they don't control the most lucrative markets in computing due to their problems, and they probably never will, and this limits their growth, i.e. their stock. you won't see windows running the stock market, flight control centers, datacenters, etc., because trying to do so would be a "liability" on the part of the company that did so. it's not that microsoft would be sued, it's that they can be blamed. the suing part is just symbolic.
i am a teacher, and i think i can give you some insight. there are several reasons. one, software companies see schools ans students like drug dealers do. they will damn near give away there software because if you get "hooked" on their stuff, when you leave, you only kow there software. and the district level people see the supposed great deal they get. two, in our district, some of the technidiots have gone to microsoft seminars, and come home with all sorts of freebies. it's like freakin halloween. so, they are not going to be the one that suggests OSS when they lose their sugar daddy. three, most school tech people are bottom of the barrell. for instance, i run linux inmy classroom, and the technidiots can't figure out how i can access the internet nor my novell network shares from linux, since "novell doesn't support linux". ipx_configure and ncpmount. districts can't pay going wages. so they get those least able to find jobs in the private sector.
something else, too. they just don't know linux and don't want to. they have no need to save the district money nor do they have any need nor desire to improve their skills. school district jobs are permanent jobs. they don't want to rock the boat. if the district dared move to linux, they'd be out of work or would have to retool their skills. they want neither. i could go on with endless stories but i won't bore you. keep up the fight, and take it to your school board. here's what you do. find just one area that OSS can do more, for less. it shouldn't be too hard. present it to the school board. they have their meetings open to the public. these people are elected. they care about votes. if they can say they saved money and improved __________ (fill inthe blank), let them get the credit, and you'll be more successful. for instance, give them examples where this "linux thing" has been adopted by companies, to show that it is a viable, powerful, etc., solution. i'd love to help.
i have run into lots of problems too. keep up the good fight. the latin phrase goes something like non illegetimum carborundum. don't let the bastards get you down!!! email me if you need assisstance. rmandel AT hartdistrict.org (sorry for the typos, it's 1AM where i'm,at)
the problem with OSS as far as gov't/schools are concerned is that when you have a company that makes the software, hardware, buildings, etc., you have somebody a) at the other end of the phone line and b) someone to sue. if you don't think that is important, you're mistaken. governmnets and schools do not want accountability. since i am a public school teacher, i can attest to this. these people want to be able to blame someone, for something. they don't want the responsibility. with OSS, even say red hat or suse, what, you gonna sue them or call them when something goes wrong. yes, i know you get support contracts. but it ain't the same.
using OSS requires taking risk. these people won't do it. it is so much easier to "just use microsoft". you can't be faulted for making a "bad decision". but you choose to go with OSS, and it has even 1/10 the problems that microsoft's "solutions", you get your ass fried. please remember, some of the problems with public procurement:
1) if you get $100, and spend $105, you demonstrated a need
2) if you get $100, and spend $85, next year you get $75, since yoiuy don't ned it, and guess what, the schmuck who overspent, get's your chunk
3) it isn't you're money, you don't care
4) typically your purchasing decisions will reflect on your higher ups, whose recommendations you need to advance
5) cheaper is better, most of the time. if you get 20 of item A for $100 and 25 of item B for $100, B is better choice. but, if you get 30 OSS items for $0, see rule #1
my father spent thirty years selling, and schools and gov'ts were among his clients. they were most notorious for doing this: they'd see his competitors crap, buy it, and when it broke, he'd sell them a better system. so the purchasing agent got to:1) buy more for less, 2) blame company for product problem, 3) got credit for solving problem, 4) get's bigger budget next year
you think i'm full of shit? how i wish i was. if you have never spent much time in schools (i have) or government, you are missing quite a learning experience. so, it is no surprise that OSS is not widely adopted in public service. but, call and write your elected officials. remember, THEY care about public dollars.
if he'd have just shown it in openoffice, he'd have been fine. i import lots of ppt's into OO.o and they import fine. i haven't exported much, but basic stuff works. but hell, that i sthe point. if you use OO.o, USE OO.o.
Testing the Red Hat, Lycoris, and Lindows desktop offerings we would have to buy a number of additional licenses - while we already have a campus license for MS Windows and Office.
huh? even if you bought a copy instead of a downloaded version, you still install it on unlimited machines. methinks you are unaware of the GPL. for hardware compat. try mandrake. yes, there is going to be file problems, but you were talking about programmers for your servers. and what exactly do you mean they have to "X-window into the linux servers..." how else might you do this other than on *nix?
i have used linux as a desktop OS for a few years. the problem is that everyone expects windows. it's like going into a great sushi restaraunt when all you've ever eating is fried catfish.
what exactly does X lack? please. i have been using it for several years, and it has improved immensely, yes, but i have never had any problems with it. as forthe network thing, i use it in my classroom every day. i have a p3 serving up X to several boxes in my classroom, and not only has it never crashed, but it runs very fast over a 10/100 lan. why all the bitching? i don't get it.
the movie won an oscar as a fucking documentary. he presented it as a truthful tale. it was packed with lies. he never disavowed all the lies in his book. i disagree with micahel moore, obviuously. but he is an asshole and an idiot. period. only can the far left get away with such crap.