I apologize for the "nanny state" blurb; I was quoting the parent poster (he's got a thing about that). I don't actually have any negative opinions about the Canadian system, other than being mildly freaked out over the old man mentioned in the article and the email thing posted to Slashdot (scary stuff, you know?).
I think New York is pretty nice, especially up here in the Capital District. It's all mountains, forests, and lakes, you know? Really nice area. I hear most of Canada is very similar.
I thought he hadn't gotten his citizenship yet? Didn't he claim he's trying to get it via H1-B->Green Card, but hadn't gotten there yet? At least, I think he said that somewhere in this thread. Yeesh, it's turning into "War and Peace"... SO complicated...
Gotcha... You know, it's funny. I've met lots of Canadians, and they've always been pretty nice to me. In fact, all the Canadians I've met have been so calm in general, I find it hard to believe they could actually get worked up enough to be rude to me (much less actually MEAN).
I didn't buy into all the weird stuff the guy was saying over the course of the thread. I based my response STRICTLY on reading the article he linked to about the old man's troubles. And say what you will, that old guy from the article isn't exactly happy with his government at the moment. I'd be pissed off too.
All I'm saying is, between that and this "the cops can read your email at will" thing, Canada doesn't look as attractive to me anymore. I think I'll stay in New York State.
What's the big deal? I'm not bashing Canada. I'm just saying I prefer New York, especially given this new information.
P.S. New York has pretty well thought out laws about this issue, since you're going to ask. My understanding of it is that IF someone (like a pissed off wife, for example) involuntarily commits you to a loony bin, the shrinks will take a couple of sessions to evaluate you and if you're sane, you go free. Also, you CANNOT be committed just like that; it generally takes a family member who specifically requests your evaluation, unless you go berserk or something and the cops have to get dragged into it.
I can't speak for other states, mind you, but then, we're not discussing them. We're talking about New York.
Yet ANOTHER person jumping all over America while arguing with a Canadian. I've said it over and over: how do you know he's not trolling to trick you into bashing Americans while arguing with a Canadian?
This whole thing is getting to be really surreal.
If it's a deliberate troll, man, I really have to hand it to the guy. Amazing work.
Jesus, Christmas. ANOTHER guy going all nuts on Americans, while arguing with a Canadian. Would you people all relax? THE GUY IS CANADIAN! How do you know this whole thing isn't an elaborate troll designed to make you flame Americans???
That's not nice. The guy you're arguing with is a Canadian, and here you are bashing US. Nice job; how do you know he wasn't deliberately tricking you into flaming Americans with a clever troll?
Actually, what I've heard in numerous news articles, internet-based articles, and etc, is that Canada has a remarkably low murder rate. The interesting thing about Canada is, everyone has a gun (because people like to go hunting) but almost nobody ever commits a violent crime with one. I saw one piece in which a Canadian cop was asked how many murders had taken place in his city, and he had to think about it. I think he said something like, "Well... There was one last year..." ONE.
A friend of mine, who grew up on the border with Canada, said once that up there, the idea that guns are for shooting people is just considered silly. For Canadians, guns are for hunting, period.
You know, you're talking about Americans who think their country is the "best place on Earth" as though they're nuts, and going on and on about it, and the guy you're arguing with IS A CANADIAN. How do you know he hasn't deliberately started this whole thing to trick you into flaming Americans? It COULD be a clever troll, you know. Tsk, tsk...
I'M the American he was talking to. And I didn't say this was the best country on Earth. I just said I loved New York, where I live.
I don't want to get in the middle of you Canadians duking it out or anything, but I just wanted to point out that the whole "sodomy law" situation in the U.S. isn't federal, it's state-by-state.
People who live in enlightened states with progressive legal systems don't have to worry about stuff like that.
People who live in backwards theocratic states, well, ok, they're screwed. But they can move to the progressive states, so it ain't ALL bad...
Yeah... Aside from the story about the old man losing all his stuff to some uber-psychiatrist's bureaucracy, which seems to be on the level, a lot of the stuff this guy's describing seems a little bit funny. I've known other Canadians, and none of them have been this irritated about their home. I wonder if this guy has had some kind of terrible experience that has soured him on the whole country or something? He sure seems to dislike it...
I thought the guy who doesn't like Canada was a Canadian? But you're replying as if he's an American? And you're saying we Americans pick on you or something? And that we dribble? What was that business with dribbling?
I'm the American, and I didn't say anything particularly bad about Canada, except that it seems kind of rough that the old man can lose all his independence that way (that was a real article, by the way, I clicked through and read it).
This poster DOES seem to be bashing Canada a bit, though; I wonder why he doesn't like it? It seems like a nice enough place to me (aside from the old man in the article getting the shaft, that is, which is kind of alarming and makes me appreciate New York a bit more).
Uhhh... Just to clarify, there are two groups in the U.S. currently: blue states, and red states.
The blue states were full of people who disliked Bush and who were totally against the war from the get-go. There was a small pro-Bush minority, but the rest of us ignored them (very tolerantly, I might add, although we tended not to invite such people to parties).
The red states had a large, vocal group of people who were pro-Bush and pro-war. They were slightly more numerous than the moderates in those states (who were against Bush and his war), and they were MUCH more aggressive.
So, when you want to talk about the people who were for the war (and getting pissy about Canadians), you can't really use the term "Americans" because MOST Americans agreed with you Canadians about the whole thing.
Well, actually I'm a little bit fussy about germs, so the whole "kissing the ground" thing, well... Let's just pretend I did that part, ok?
But yeah, I've always loved my country. I'm STILL worried Bush is going to ruin it, but so far it looks like his efforts are having a limited effect. Maybe once he leaves in 2008 things will go back to normal around here.
As much as I dislike my current government's staff, I do like the U.S. (particularly New York). The nice thing about New York in particular is, you can be as weird as you want, get as old as you want, and do pretty much whatever you want, and nobody will bother you (unless you're robbing banks or something).
Sometimes, you just have to hear a story like the one you posted to have the value of that sink in.:)
When Bush got elected, and then again when he got RE-elected, I seriously considered moving to Canada to get away from the nuttiness of my government. I postponed the move because of my job, which was going well.
I now have no desire whatsoever to move out of the U.S.A. As crazy as we are down here, we don't have that whole "nanny state" thing going on. OUR government takes a "let 'em fend for themselves" point of view.
I used to think it was a little cold, but now... I think it's just spiffy!:)
"... Oh, yah, Jenny, remember last night? Between the hours of 12 and 4AM? When we were drinking under that overpass, eh? And, we got a little frisky because you know, we were MILES away from downtown and nobody could see us, eh? Yah, that was great, eh. Yah, we were nowhere near that apartment building they're yelling about, I think somebody's trying to put one over on those nice police detectives, I hope they don't get embarassed by that evil serial killer, eh?"
(At police H.Q.)
"Oh, Captain! It turns out that Bob fella's not our man after all, eh? It's right here in his email, he was having a bit of rumpy-pumpy under an overpass on the far side of the city. I guess we'd better pick on the dead gal's neighbor, eh?"
The answer is simple: encrypt your email, then embed it via Steganography in a Goatse photo.
Na, na na na... na na... na na Can't touch this! Na, na na na... na na... na na Can't TOUCH this!
Looking online! It's a cop! Reading my email cuz he just can't stop from STICKING! His nose in, where it don't belong so he GOES in
But HELLO! What the hell is this? The cop's found a picture, something's amiss and blammo! Thanks to Goatse, "Oh my EYES!" he yells and the piglet can't see!
Na, na na na... Na na... na na Can't touch this! Na, na na na... Na na... Na na Can't touch this!
Almost everyone integrating GNUPG with their email solution so that all email is encrypted point to point. If the cops figured out a way around that, like, say, trying to make encryption illegal, then people will just switch to Steganography and send all their email using Goatse pictures.
I won't give it away, but you've sure got your work cut out for you...:)
Here's my advice:
1. If it works in Firefox, it'll work fine in I.E... BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. So as you build your web pages, test in Firefox, THEN in I.E. for good measure. Pay special attention to tables and stylesheets. If you stick to plain-vanilla JavaScript you should be mostly ok, but if you're going to do something fancy, get the O'Reilly pocket guide. It arranges features by browser so you can see what is supported where.
2. When the agency management tells you they want you to only support I.E. say very carefully "yes, yes, don't worry, I'll support I.E. fully". Don't elaborate! Let them think that Firefox interoperability is a happy accident. Play dumb. Trust me on this, I've had the "IE sucks" argument with them over and over, they will NEVER get it. They're in love with Microsoft products; they're practically addicted to them. At a time when many other agencies in this state are going with Java on Linux, they're going.Net, and not C# either -- VB.Net, to calm down the old timers. Just play along, build the app properly and keep mum.
3. Although you shouldn't discuss this with the agency management (it'll just spook them),.Net works perfectly well with FireFox if you set it up to be compatible with multiple browsers. All you have to do is make sure your build target isn't I.E.
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I apologize for the "nanny state" blurb; I was quoting the parent poster (he's got a thing about that). I don't actually have any negative opinions about the Canadian system, other than being mildly freaked out over the old man mentioned in the article and the email thing posted to Slashdot (scary stuff, you know?).
:P
I think New York is pretty nice, especially up here in the Capital District. It's all mountains, forests, and lakes, you know? Really nice area. I hear most of Canada is very similar.
No hard feelings, I hope?
I thought he hadn't gotten his citizenship yet? Didn't he claim he's trying to get it via H1-B->Green Card, but hadn't gotten there yet? At least, I think he said that somewhere in this thread. Yeesh, it's turning into "War and Peace"... SO complicated...
So... He's basically a little nutty?
Cool! It'd be just like our "New York vs. California" one. We've been waging the "East Coast/West Coast" thing for years now...
:)
Don't even get me started on New Jersey, ha ha.
Gotcha... You know, it's funny. I've met lots of Canadians, and they've always been pretty nice to me. In fact, all the Canadians I've met have been so calm in general, I find it hard to believe they could actually get worked up enough to be rude to me (much less actually MEAN).
Nice guys, as far as I can tell.
Just a minute, there.
I didn't buy into all the weird stuff the guy was saying over the course of the thread. I based my response STRICTLY on reading the article he linked to about the old man's troubles. And say what you will, that old guy from the article isn't exactly happy with his government at the moment. I'd be pissed off too.
All I'm saying is, between that and this "the cops can read your email at will" thing, Canada doesn't look as attractive to me anymore. I think I'll stay in New York State.
What's the big deal? I'm not bashing Canada. I'm just saying I prefer New York, especially given this new information.
P.S. New York has pretty well thought out laws about this issue, since you're going to ask. My understanding of it is that IF someone (like a pissed off wife, for example) involuntarily commits you to a loony bin, the shrinks will take a couple of sessions to evaluate you and if you're sane, you go free. Also, you CANNOT be committed just like that; it generally takes a family member who specifically requests your evaluation, unless you go berserk or something and the cops have to get dragged into it.
I can't speak for other states, mind you, but then, we're not discussing them. We're talking about New York.
Uhh... He's canadian too.
That's cool. This whole thread is really getting strange and interesting, isn't it? It's like, developing a life of its own.
If this is all a deliberate troll, man, it's going to be legendary.
Yet ANOTHER person jumping all over America while arguing with a Canadian. I've said it over and over: how do you know he's not trolling to trick you into bashing Americans while arguing with a Canadian?
This whole thing is getting to be really surreal.
If it's a deliberate troll, man, I really have to hand it to the guy. Amazing work.
Jesus, Christmas. ANOTHER guy going all nuts on Americans, while arguing with a Canadian. Would you people all relax? THE GUY IS CANADIAN! How do you know this whole thing isn't an elaborate troll designed to make you flame Americans???
Sheesh. This is Slashdot, think about it.
Yeah... He does seem to be a bit tense.
Although, the thing about the old man and the psychiatrist seems to be on the level.
That's not nice. The guy you're arguing with is a Canadian, and here you are bashing US. Nice job; how do you know he wasn't deliberately tricking you into flaming Americans with a clever troll?
Actually, what I've heard in numerous news articles, internet-based articles, and etc, is that Canada has a remarkably low murder rate. The interesting thing about Canada is, everyone has a gun (because people like to go hunting) but almost nobody ever commits a violent crime with one. I saw one piece in which a Canadian cop was asked how many murders had taken place in his city, and he had to think about it. I think he said something like, "Well... There was one last year..." ONE.
A friend of mine, who grew up on the border with Canada, said once that up there, the idea that guns are for shooting people is just considered silly. For Canadians, guns are for hunting, period.
You know, you're talking about Americans who think their country is the "best place on Earth" as though they're nuts, and going on and on about it, and the guy you're arguing with IS A CANADIAN. How do you know he hasn't deliberately started this whole thing to trick you into flaming Americans? It COULD be a clever troll, you know. Tsk, tsk...
;)
I'M the American he was talking to. And I didn't say this was the best country on Earth. I just said I loved New York, where I live.
Man. Take it easy. It's only Slashdot.
Uhh...
I don't want to get in the middle of you Canadians duking it out or anything, but I just wanted to point out that the whole "sodomy law" situation in the U.S. isn't federal, it's state-by-state.
People who live in enlightened states with progressive legal systems don't have to worry about stuff like that.
People who live in backwards theocratic states, well, ok, they're screwed. But they can move to the progressive states, so it ain't ALL bad...
Yeah... Aside from the story about the old man losing all his stuff to some uber-psychiatrist's bureaucracy, which seems to be on the level, a lot of the stuff this guy's describing seems a little bit funny. I've known other Canadians, and none of them have been this irritated about their home. I wonder if this guy has had some kind of terrible experience that has soured him on the whole country or something? He sure seems to dislike it...
Ok, now I'm confused.
I thought the guy who doesn't like Canada was a Canadian? But you're replying as if he's an American? And you're saying we Americans pick on you or something? And that we dribble? What was that business with dribbling?
I'm the American, and I didn't say anything particularly bad about Canada, except that it seems kind of rough that the old man can lose all his independence that way (that was a real article, by the way, I clicked through and read it).
This poster DOES seem to be bashing Canada a bit, though; I wonder why he doesn't like it? It seems like a nice enough place to me (aside from the old man in the article getting the shaft, that is, which is kind of alarming and makes me appreciate New York a bit more).
Uhhh... Just to clarify, there are two groups in the U.S. currently: blue states, and red states.
The blue states were full of people who disliked Bush and who were totally against the war from the get-go. There was a small pro-Bush minority, but the rest of us ignored them (very tolerantly, I might add, although we tended not to invite such people to parties).
The red states had a large, vocal group of people who were pro-Bush and pro-war. They were slightly more numerous than the moderates in those states (who were against Bush and his war), and they were MUCH more aggressive.
So, when you want to talk about the people who were for the war (and getting pissy about Canadians), you can't really use the term "Americans" because MOST Americans agreed with you Canadians about the whole thing.
Just wanted to point that out...
I'm terribly sorry to have to notify you of this, but the preceding message was a joke.
I wonder why it got modded "insightful"? I was going for "mildly amusing"...
Well, actually I'm a little bit fussy about germs, so the whole "kissing the ground" thing, well... Let's just pretend I did that part, ok?
:)
But yeah, I've always loved my country. I'm STILL worried Bush is going to ruin it, but so far it looks like his efforts are having a limited effect. Maybe once he leaves in 2008 things will go back to normal around here.
As much as I dislike my current government's staff, I do like the U.S. (particularly New York). The nice thing about New York in particular is, you can be as weird as you want, get as old as you want, and do pretty much whatever you want, and nobody will bother you (unless you're robbing banks or something).
Sometimes, you just have to hear a story like the one you posted to have the value of that sink in.
Thank you for sharing that information.
:)
When Bush got elected, and then again when he got RE-elected, I seriously considered moving to Canada to get away from the nuttiness of my government. I postponed the move because of my job, which was going well.
I now have no desire whatsoever to move out of the U.S.A. As crazy as we are down here, we don't have that whole "nanny state" thing going on. OUR government takes a "let 'em fend for themselves" point of view.
I used to think it was a little cold, but now... I think it's just spiffy!
(type, type, type)
"... Oh, yah, Jenny, remember last night? Between the hours of 12 and 4AM? When we were drinking under that overpass, eh? And, we got a little frisky because you know, we were MILES away from downtown and nobody could see us, eh? Yah, that was great, eh. Yah, we were nowhere near that apartment building they're yelling about, I think somebody's trying to put one over on those nice police detectives, I hope they don't get embarassed by that evil serial killer, eh?"
(At police H.Q.)
"Oh, Captain! It turns out that Bob fella's not our man after all, eh? It's right here in his email, he was having a bit of rumpy-pumpy under an overpass on the far side of the city. I guess we'd better pick on the dead gal's neighbor, eh?"
CUE OMINOUS MUSIC
The answer is simple: encrypt your email, then embed it via Steganography in a Goatse photo.
Na, na na na... na na... na na
Can't touch this!
Na, na na na... na na... na na
Can't TOUCH this!
Looking online! It's a cop! Reading my email cuz he just can't stop from STICKING! His nose in, where it don't belong so he GOES in
But HELLO! What the hell is this? The cop's found a picture, something's amiss and blammo! Thanks to Goatse, "Oh my EYES!" he yells and the piglet can't see!
Na, na na na... Na na... na na
Can't touch this!
Na, na na na... Na na... Na na
Can't touch this!
Almost everyone integrating GNUPG with their email solution so that all email is encrypted point to point. If the cops figured out a way around that, like, say, trying to make encryption illegal, then people will just switch to Steganography and send all their email using Goatse pictures.
Take THAT, Mr. Pig-man. It's GOATSE time!
TRS, huh?
I won't give it away, but you've sure got your work cut out for you... :)
.Net, and not C# either -- VB.Net, to calm down the old timers. Just play along, build the app properly and keep mum.
.Net works perfectly well with FireFox if you set it up to be compatible with multiple browsers. All you have to do is make sure your build target isn't I.E.
Here's my advice:
1. If it works in Firefox, it'll work fine in I.E... BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. So as you build your web pages, test in Firefox, THEN in I.E. for good measure. Pay special attention to tables and stylesheets. If you stick to plain-vanilla JavaScript you should be mostly ok, but if you're going to do something fancy, get the O'Reilly pocket guide. It arranges features by browser so you can see what is supported where.
2. When the agency management tells you they want you to only support I.E. say very carefully "yes, yes, don't worry, I'll support I.E. fully". Don't elaborate! Let them think that Firefox interoperability is a happy accident. Play dumb. Trust me on this, I've had the "IE sucks" argument with them over and over, they will NEVER get it. They're in love with Microsoft products; they're practically addicted to them. At a time when many other agencies in this state are going with Java on Linux, they're going
3. Although you shouldn't discuss this with the agency management (it'll just spook them),
Good luck!