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Bill Would Let Police Monitor Email
Duuk2k2 writes "The Canadian federal cabinet will review new legislation this fall that would give police and security agencies vast powers to begin surveillance of the Internet without court authority. The new measures would allow law-enforcement agents to intercept personal e-mails, text messages and possibly even password-secure websites used for purchasing and financial transactions."
Clearly, no abuse could come from this!
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Sometimes cops better judgment gets clouded because of the situation (relationship to the victim, gravity of the crime, etc), so the whole point of making it mandatory for a court order is you get an unbiased approval or denial for this type of surveillance. Turning this authority over to the police department would be a great disservice to sanctity of an individual's privacy.
"Simplify, simplify, simplify!" Thoreau
Not a chance of this happenning. The minority government would not dare to this, especially that there is an election looming within the next 9 months.
Hello, PGP.
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... you've got nothing to fear, right?
Say, can I have those old prescriptions and ATM receipts?
Because the bad guys would NEVER use encryption or even just offhand references to something in their planning that they transmit over an open, public medium, right?
Damm hate Gates mode kicked in
It's time we take a more active role in securing our personal data. No longer can we trust people, hackers, government or otherwise to secure our data. Powerful encryption is available, It's time to start using it.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to download PGP
Certainly this isn't it about terrorism... Canada does not appear to be an important target
No I wouldn't. Plus, I use PGP.
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Of course Canada needs these invasions of our freedom. After those terrorists crashed those planes into the CN Tower in Toronto, how can we possibly go back to that pre-9/11 thinking? If only the RCMP had intercepted their emails, we would have nabbed them on their commute from Pickering. Then there would have been no more terrorists, and we could get our freedom back from the nice Progressive Conservatives tirelessly toiling to protect us.
After all, it's not like military lawyers stopped intelligence agencies from intercepting Mohammed Atta and his fellow planebombers a year before they did any damage. You're thinking of that third-world failed regime to the South.
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It's frustrating, in the U.S. and in Canada, that the same people suggesting intrusive nonsense like this are still in office.
...no I didn't mean our freedoms, or things that matter; I meant illogical tax cuts and questions of marriage....
Then again, it seems like all the important issues come up during election season...
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This is just like the Guilded Age of 19th century America, where politicians used the silver vs. gold debate to hide the real issues of economy, etc.... </rant>
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"Vast" powers...but only over Canadians?
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It's not offtopic at all. It seems to me that the possibility of abuse is precisely the topic here.
Almost everyone integrating GNUPG with their email solution so that all email is encrypted point to point. If the cops figured out a way around that, like, say, trying to make encryption illegal, then people will just switch to Steganography and send all their email using Goatse pictures.
Take THAT, Mr. Pig-man. It's GOATSE time!
Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
Pretty Good Privacy. Get it and use it.
With news like these, at first we all think of encrypting our mail with PGP/GPG but... how do we know that it will make a difference?
Maybe governments know how to decode it but it's kept in secret in order to create a false sense of security
Quick, the tinfoil hat!
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I blame a lack of education for your spelling sins.
Back when the telephone tapping legislation was first created, some wise law maker decided a judge should look at the evidence and allow or deny the police the ability to monitor people.
Now what would happen if that same legislation (on phone tapping) was created today? Would the police and 'security services' be able to listen to anyone they wanted without any kind of oversight?
Where did our legal right to privacy go? And why do governments have no respect for people's right to communicate over the internet? Like it is some second class method of communication.
Dan Brown's book addresses this very issue. The one line that echoes in my head when reading this story is a line from the novel.
"Who will guard the guards?"
Who will control what information will be read, not read, logged, not logged and who will police any corruption that is bound to happen?
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Could this be a way to ease tension between Canada and the States in light of the software lumber issue by attempting to curb to Americans regarding security?
In either way, I can't see this passing. Not with a minority government.
Even I thought that was too incredible to believe.
A guy walks into a bar... well, I forgot the joke, but the punchline is that he's an alcoholic.
in that case i would no longer call them terrorists.
So, anyway, the telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Bob or Doug made, above the level of a very low blowing of wind across the mouth of an open beer bottle, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as they remained within the field of vision which the map of Canada commanded, they could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the CRTC plugged in on any individual channel was guesswork. It was conceivable that they watched the CBC all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live--did live, from habit that became instinct--in the assumption that every beer you drank was overheard, and, except in darkness, every attempt to take off was, like, looked at real close-like, eh?"
- Some guy named George, Eh? He, like, wrote the functional spec for it. And he horked our beer.
Here's the case for using strong encryption for emails.
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Don't pretend this bill will give police and related investigatory services adaquete skills to prosecute more internet related crime! IT WON'T!! The only thing this bill will do, will be to allow police officers the right to violate our privacy without due cause!
The reason they (law enforcement) aren't able to prosecute child pornographers and other cyber-criminals better and faster has nothing to due with the fact that they can't get at data/communications quickly because they have to get warrants.
They aren't trained properly and not enough resources (manpower and money) is dedicated to finding and convicting cyber-criminals!!
STOP creating laws that have great acronyms, are "for the children", etc. Create laws will allow proper funding and manpower to be given to the agencies/groups that need it and will use it properly!
...the scary thing is that it didn't surprise me.
That was my first thought!
Suppose another terrorist, knowing that an email is likely to be intercepted, decides to write false information using "stolen" identity?
Let this be known: Terrorists are not stupid. Heck, they even managed to smuggle or manufacture weapons under our noses in Iraq! Remember that we have more than 100,000 eyes over there. This month's loss of 14 marines in just one blast was a real shock! The marines were using a reinforced tank - one of the best in our entire fleet. This expensive machine was no match for the explosive they used.
They could even engineer a DDoS attack. The possibilities are endless. The best way to avoid all the problems is to figure out why a person would hate us so much to the extent of sacrificing their life. To me, this is simple. Let's just mind our own business and leave others to mind their own.
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No hearing, no trial, no independent psychiatric evaluation, no appeal, nada.
I wonder how much one has to criticize the government(s) before the Provincial Psychiatrist serves your bank with an order to turn over your money.
You could've hired me.
Has Canada gone Insane?
... This is Madness!
Seriously
(type, type, type)
"... Oh, yah, Jenny, remember last night? Between the hours of 12 and 4AM? When we were drinking under that overpass, eh? And, we got a little frisky because you know, we were MILES away from downtown and nobody could see us, eh? Yah, that was great, eh. Yah, we were nowhere near that apartment building they're yelling about, I think somebody's trying to put one over on those nice police detectives, I hope they don't get embarassed by that evil serial killer, eh?"
(At police H.Q.)
"Oh, Captain! It turns out that Bob fella's not our man after all, eh? It's right here in his email, he was having a bit of rumpy-pumpy under an overpass on the far side of the city. I guess we'd better pick on the dead gal's neighbor, eh?"
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Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
... so let's get rid of it.
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I know it's been said by a few people already, but it's really time to start signing and encrypting all email. I get emails all the time, from phishing sites. They could be legit. I don't know. I have no way of verifying. I ignore a lot of email because I can't verify who it's from. If the average joe knew how easily an email could be intercepted or forged, they would cry out for a better solution. Well, I guess everyone is happier being left in the dark.
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Can't the postal authority check my mails if they want? Why should we not accept it if it happens in the net too? It is a perfectly safe thing to do for the overall good. Of course, the authority falling in the wrong hands will be too dangerous. As a separate point, I think the future of the net lies in requiring all users to have true identity. The net need not be some sort of secret area where everyone is wearing a mask. I believe that in 5-10 years there will be no anonymousity in the internet and everyone will require to have one and only one identity - his own identity.
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...how many months until a RCMP identity-theft ring gets uncovered?
And sometimes had out warrants when they shouldn't. The lack of bias isn't important, the fact that there's a record is. If an officer has to come and present a reason for a warrant (the reason gets recorded) then there's a record. The warrant and related information is kept in the court record, and can be later reviewed to determine if the search was improper.
With something like this the police could just keep it all hush-hush and then make shit up at a later date to justif it. Since there's no record to compare it to see if it's the truth. Far too easy for someone to say "Well we had all this evidence so we started monitoring him and look! We were right" when the actuality was they had no evidence at all.
I suppose that is the American spelling... "Me fail English? That is unpossible!"
Oh well, what the hell...
At least Canada doesn't have the Patriot Act.
/sarcasm
I am ok with increased surveillance powers for police as long as the proper checks are put in place to ensure that these powers are not abused. This is why the police needs a warrant to search your house, or to wiretap your phone. These checks and balances are essential to any new surveillance powers given to the police to ensure that they cannot abuse the powers they have been given.
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Bill Would Let Police Monitor Email
I assume we're talking about Gates, right?
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People have for years scoffed that these were only for terrorists, kiddie pr0n posters, and trolls. Then they said that you could just move to Canada. Well, what are you going to do when the draft dodger paradise forgets what civil rights like speech, privacy, and so on are all about?
Of course course, we should be less worried about a known dallier with socialism like Canada than the home of people who told the British crown where to stick it. I think one of our founders said something about not deserving either security or freedom if being willing to trade one for the other and something else about hanging together or hanging separately.
You know, criminals misuse guns, knives, and baseball bats. We don't stop owning or using them when and where necessary because of it. We shouldn't look askance at any and all methods of maintaining our privacy. What's next? We leave our doors unlocked and wide open because drug dealers close and lock theirs? Let's not be a bunch of yutzes.
If anything, the government is single-handedly ENCOURAGING criminals and terrorists to use advanced technologies for privacy by going on about them at length constantly and pushing therefore towards wider adoption by the civilian populace. Eventually these things will become normal and everyday and what frigging law can they pass then that will undo it without undoing the entirety of the pinnacle of Western civilization, freedom and primacy of the people over government?
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
Oh don't worry... the current politicians also know how important freedom of speach is in maintaining an effective democracy. Why else would they be so against it?
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Seriously. Can you name one place in the entire world where the freedom of the people is significantly improving? Iraq may be the only place where that's true, and I think most of us would agree that the "freedom" the people have there is more a matter of appearances than reality. I'm not here to debate about Iraq, though, so feel free to count it as an example of improving freedom in the world if you wish.
But I can name many more places where real freedom is heading into the gutter than where it's on the upswing.
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I wonder if the canadian police will be issued the "I read your email" t-shirts?
Canada's got a couple of things working against this proposed bill. First off, we're in a minority Government right now, and I can name two political parties which are used to hold the balance on a regular basis who would have nothing to do with such a horrid bill. Also, the bill wouldn't pass the House of Commons for a long while, considering how much stalling would happen in comittee. This is probably how all these horrid bills you see will be forgotten, we're on the verge of a federal election the moment the House of Commons returns from recess, and bills die on the floor if not passed before Parliament disolves.
Also, it would never survive a Charter challenge, especially since aspects of the bill allow police to intercept and read open email without a warrant. Mail in Canada, like in the US, is probably one of the most protected forms of communication. One would argue (I can't wait until Michael Geist (http://michaelgeist.ca/) gets his hands on this), that it clearly is in direct opposition to Canada's Charter of rights and Freedoms. Section 8 of the charter clearly states that "Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure."
In short, boo to the Liberals for proposing such a piece of work, yay for the polical system of Canada working against it.
What would we do if the terrorists actually attacked the RICH people? oh heaven help us. like, uh, I dunno. attacking the financial and economic centers of new york? just a thought.
. . .but most of the friends that I email are clueless arts and law degree majors who have no idea how to use public key encryption. "Dude, what's all this "lkasdflij4w;l8a43r" jumbled text about?" "OK, so how does this work? I give you my private key and then you can read my message?"
Certainly this isn't it about terrorism... Canada does not appear to be an important target
First, Canada is a target as the terrorist attacks. As NY and London were with the intent of terrorizing the affluent democratic western cultures, it is about accessibility and finding some crazy mindless fools to commit suicide for Jahad. Canada certainly is accessible.
So the questions we Canadians should ask is the target to be a Vancouver bridge, the Calgary PetroCanada towers or perhaps Toronto City Hall or subway. Maybe even the Parliament in Ottawa. Ottawa should cooperate with the US in making North America safe place and pool information about terrorists and not about honest citizens in general. All terrorists in recent attacks had profiles that could have forewarned of the events should have someone been watching.
But what is sad is US and Canadian governments are using this to control us. Can the Canadian government show any proof what so ever plain text mail monitoring of citizens at large would have prevented 911 or the London bombings? In the US, a national ID system is being proposed, but all those involved in 911 had legitimately obtained papers. So what is to stop the terrorists from encrypting mail and getting a legitimate nation ID? Those in London were legal residents of the UK. If you think about this, the Canadian government uncontrolled monitoring if public citizens email is about fear and control and does little to protect us.
And if such proof existed, then why didn't they get a warrent under existing law?
For those Canadians that think profiling is bad, take a look at our legal system with the words "native indian", "french" and other minorities. Unlike the US with "We the people... " Canada has different laws for different people. Our racial equality is second place to Ottawa buying votes.
The religious fanatics in the middle east are not after all any different than the Ottawa politicians who do not support this right to free and private speech buy it's citizens. Again, it is all about control.
I do remember some wise American, and I can't remember who, but democracy's greatest enemy is from within.
In Canada the Supreme Court has the last word on things like this. This legislation is not in the spirit of the Charter and will be thrown out on the first appeal if it stays in the present form.
Give them the illusion of choice and they will blindly follow for they choose not to make one.
You have all missed the real point of this.. Canada Post has just come up with a new marketing plan!
What if I send an e-mail, and some of the packets are routed through a Canadian server? Does that give them authority to monitor MY email?
I hope we will come up with a memorandum to cabinet that can protect human security in the sense that we will put law enforcement people on the same level playing field as criminals and terrorists in the matter of using technology and accessing that technology
So that law enforcement can become criminals and terrorists themselves?
Your trust in what your government and constitution say are sadly mistaken. Carnivore and Echalon are already operational. You have no privacy on an untrusted network without encryption.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
Looks like its time to educate about the use of pgp/gpg.
maybe www.hushmail.com would be a nice lazy start for people.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
First arresting Ernst Zundel for denying the Holocaust, then persecuting a forum poster for ethnic slander, and now this. O Canada! I guess history does repeat itself, and the most Marxist nation in the West will be the first to go Stalinesque. If nothing else, it will be a good excuse to finally invade.
Bill would let them? Shouldn't there be a borg icon?
To use codes and cyphers.
"Could you pick up some steaks on the way home? I was thinking about cooking steak and veges with gravy." becomes "Cows in the paddock, soylent green grocer tap-dances on water."
Then you GPG encrypt it at anything above 4096 bit. :)
Fun for the whole police department.
His name is Robert Paulsen...
Bill Would Let Police Monitor Email
Who is Bill?
If it weren't for the WOMD / war on terrorism bullshit, all these outrageous attacks on our civil liberties and 'way of life' wouldn't be happening.
... they couldn't give 2 tosses.
Just what type of 'way of life' are they trying to protect anyway? Seems to me that on the one hand, they say the 'terrorists' hate our 'freedom'. Then on the other hand, they destroy destroy our freedom and implement a regime that's fast approaching the most model they're claiming to protect us from.
Of course the statement that terrorists hate our 'way of life' is complete bullshit. They hate our WOMD. They hate our foreign policy. They hate our support of the illegal Israeli state. They hate our neo-conservative market structure that we ram down their throat. As for our 'way of life'
The fact that the Western world has yet to come to terms with is that without justice, there can be no peace. And the world is severely lacking in justice right about now. Just ask Palestine, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Or ask Iran in a couple of month's time.
The terrorists are not stupid; they know very well that if they do the slightest thing in Canada, the crackdown will make them lose a very valuable base of operation against the USA...
Why isn't there an easy way for people to contact their MPs online. I don't even know who's representing me, let alone how to get ahold of them.
Stuff like this will be unopposed because the people who can stop it can't respond.
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6 of the 9-11 terrorists came through canada, on the catferry from NS to bar harbor to get to boston... so canada may not be as out of the loop as you want to indicate...
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Until fairly recently, the British government seemed to think among rather similar lines regarding toleration of openly radical Islamists. That didn't stop the latter from provoking a crackdown.
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As a Canadian, i'd just like to say that you are a fucking idiot. You can't even spell BLAME correctly?, congrats on making yourself look dumb.
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But if this outcry were happening over a US law, I would just laugh. Anyone who has any sort of expectation of privacy over the internet is off of their rocker. That's like having a reasonable expectation of privacy while standing out in the middle of the highway.
I expect it's like that in most states.
In many states, those judged mentally incompetent lose the right to vote. How that's considered constitutional is completely beyond me.
Whe you check into a psychiatric hospital in California (I've been in several) they give you a little yellow booklet that explains your rights under the LPS act. Curiously, though they can take away from you the right to manage your own affairs, you retain the right to wear your own clothes.
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The Americans use the NSA to monitor mon american communications because under their laws, foreigners have no rights. The Canadians use CISIS to monitor american communications for the same reasons. Then they trade data.
I once sent and email to Australia when the net was young and in it I used some words that could be interpreted in isolation as suspicious. Then I put a note in the email to the effect I knew it was going to be read by the NSA and I made a comment that if they were worried about what I was "really up to" they should check out www.blah.com.
Within 12 hours the server picked up hits from the NSA. Then they were dumb enough to be using windows machines. For anyone wanting to penetrate their security - its pretty trivia. A simple honeypot is a good start.
There seems to be just no limit to the depths of depravity that paranoia will drive these people. Then they think they are being righteous. Meanwhile as they go off chasing ghosts they are perfectly willing to ignore huge white collar crimes in the way of frauds that are being perpetrated via stock market and other swindles on an almost daily basis. Enron is just one example.
C'mon, am I the only one here who read that headline and thought, "Gates, you fuckin' asshole... oh, wait..."
As a matter of fact, the last terrorist bomb blew up 30 years ago in Canada, and it had been planted by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police...
So many times I've used the metaphor...
A frog, some people swear, is incapable of noticing subtle rises in the temperature of the water it occupies. These same folk say that if you put a frog in a pot of cold water, and slowly let the water come to a boil, the frog will happily do froggy things in the water until it boils to death.
The frog is now dead. The US and its clients have boiled away all the water in the pot.
Go back to your reality TV shows, citizens, nothing to fear unless you are doing something criminal or unpatriotic or that which undermines the President's authority in wartime (which by defining the war's purpose as eliminating a common noun, will be eternal)...
You aren't a criminal, are you? Or anti-party-in-power, which will be equivalent?
Are you sure?
They'll be watching.
Forever.
Big difference with canada: Canada is the colony, and not the colonizer. And Canada did not join the war in Irak.
First, Irak is Iraq.
Second, it is because out Liberal Prime Minasster was so self centered and greedy for votes he wanted our citizens to hate Americans as like Adolph Hittler, if they hate them enough they will overlook what we are doing wrong. Be a sucker, hate the Americans... Paul Martin learned well from his predecessor that could lie out of both sides of his mouth.
If police wish all this information power, what are they willing to offer as safeguards? Making it a felony to disclose information outside of court? Tort suits?
Thought this was Bill Gates' idea from the title.
So where's that PGP/GPG plugin for gmail? :)
if you gave him half a chance.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Idiot.
... aimed at micro loan places that lent money to women to start businesses. Against Islam.
Jihadis in Bangladesh YESTERDAY set off 100 bombs
Jihadis behead Thai Monks; and blow up Beijing commuters (nasty jihadi separatists in both countries).
But go ahead, blame the country that puts women in command of Space Shuttles, not the country that won't let em drive and puts them in tents.
Don't do a thing, and let the next atrocity end up with something like internments.
PS Canada has Shariah Law for Family Court. That's an obscenity.
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I have nothing to fear and never will. I have nothing to hide so what am I afraid of?
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It all makes sense now! Thanks, Tom!
Who is this Bill person, and why is he going to allow this to happen?
"b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication" http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/#libertes
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Rene Hollan is a COMPLETE nutjob.
Google it a little bit.
Ignore this troll.
is it just me or did anyone else think bill gates when they read the topic?
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I'm ok with letting law enforcement monitor email, as long as they either have my private gpg key + passphrase for the gpg-encrypted emails I send, or the AES256-encrypted emails I send for those who don't support gpg/pgp.
Monitor all you like, all you'll see is the envelope... nothing more.
The closer you come to me without my permission, the more fortified I become. Simple.
The message didn't last too long, though, because a couple of people took it too seriously.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
I was worried for a moment. Next time put Canadian in the title so I can safely ignore it. Time to start using PGP, eh?
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
The groups below are a obviously a priority that threaten the end of all life on this planet with their CONSIDERABLE nuclear and chemical weapon stockpiles. They seem to be using the Internet to achieve their ends of world domination.
pedophiles.... check
terrorists.... check
and don't forget other criminals (meaning downloaders)...check
Seems they didn't miss anything. Well maybe the Nazis and some violin music.
Hey you know, I noticed besides the Internet those groups also use telephones, mail, shopping malls, toilet paper, beds, plastic spoons and hair gel.--- and pogo sticks.--- and they talk aloud too!
Quick... can you guys down south send in the Marines to help secure those things too... eh!!!
I wonder who *cough cough RIAA cough MPAA cough BSA* suggested this legislation was essential to "protect our children" from our apparently scheming evil Inuit terrorists?
I just hope Canadians aren't as brilliant as the Americans (not Slashdotters of course) that bought into this obfuscated version of logic designed to meet certain economic returns for Time Warner shareholders. I'm not holding my breath though as an average of 5 hours of obesity causing TV addiction a night telling you YOU NEED THIS! YOU NEED THIS! is a persuasive argument.
Effective immediately I am boycotting RIAA, MPAA, BSA products. Time subscription will not be renewed. Discover subscription forget it. Movie rentals stopped. Movie theater tickets (whew thats a tough one-- so I'm gonna be honest and say "blockbusters only"). Music CDs.. there is always radio. The Xbox and PS2 will also be sold. And it looks like a complete transition to open source is in the works now. Oh and although I love them... all sony products are also definitely out.
Maybe my little dent in their wallet, won't make them quit whining and manipulating the system but they will still need to think about changing business models. No matter how many politicians they buy and laws they change here are the facts....
With Apache.... we have no need for iis.
With Google we have no need for paid search
Hotmail, no need for paid email
Wikipedia.... no need to pay for encyclopedias
Yahoo is introducing free Voip and voice mail
All the above have been wildly succcessful. Am I spotting a trend here?
I'm so mad at the moment I'm even thinking of using my apparently new found time to do a protest site that lists individually the companies that are threatening my privacy for buck--as well as the specific names of the moralistic cops, politicians, lawmakers and media mogels that are pushing this. Maybe this is what needs to be done to stop this?
Fight fire with fire?
Harness a blog nation of worldwide informents to legally dig up every little piece of dirt on the specific people that are pushing this. Monitor their every action and location, who they meet with, what they say and keep a history of it indefinitely. I'm talking about everyone from every nation, to each specific lawmaker, to each vocal supporter in the media.
Maybe then they might respect privacy a little more. Any suggestions? I'm a web developer but not a great one. Would any one actually be interested in contributing to creating the framework of an open source project of this sort? (Of course make sure you know this means you would mean you would be on the NSA/FBI hit list along with EPIC, Greenpeace and the ACLU)
~ comments for the NSA
Yeah I know you guys can figure out who I am and I'm sure no doubt you have a nice fat file on me. You guys aren't the "good guys" anymore though when you need to resort to spying on the average person just trying to muddle their way through life. A curious monkey is never an angel but I'm no jihadist either. From my perspective I'm a pacifist and you are the ones that condon spying, assasinations and warfare for the sake of securing some theoretical good that never arrives.
...for being in bed with the Bin Ladens and for being so corrupt that he would send his own people to be killed for a pack of lies. Blame the CIA for literally creating Al Quaeda. Blame dodgy oil cartels. Blame Haliburton. Blame the US's constant picking and tampering with the affairs of the Middle East. Blame Gitmo. Blame shocking abuses of prisoners in Iraqi prisons, so disgusting, so vile that the US adminstration wants to sit on them indefinetly. Blame the Iraq War itself which was based on lies.
The problem you are talking about is something deliberately created by the US who are now sending shockwaves of poison to every other country on the planet to corrupt the laws of those countries, to restrict rights, to put people in a police state.
The problems you describe are because of the current US administration and history of the US in the Middle East and across the world.
P.S It's funny isn't it, that so many New Yorkers believe the government was complicit with 9/11. Their instincts are right. The world is being led by the nose into a murderous corrupt dictactorship by your corrupt useless President.
You can't impose values on the Middle East; you can't impose 'democracy' which has been so devalued by the likes of Bush that I doubt many would want it anyway.
With police mass snooping on email, detention without trial, torture, murder and rape of suspects can you explain how that is any better than the regimes the US is trying to replace ?
Sometime soon Bush wants to push into Iran, he's too stretched for ground forces right now although the US draft is coming. Bush's plan is to let off another 9/11 to justify an Iran attack.
WTF, Canada? I'm beginning to quit dislike where we're headed in this country.
But screw it: they wanna monitor my email, I'll just start PGP encrypting *ALL* my email.
Think I'd best bitch to my representatives, though. Can't let this kind of stupidity go through unimpeded.
And wtf happened to our Privacy Commissionaire? A few years back he was saying "no effing way" to a government idea to combine all the government (health, licensing, tax, etc) databases into one. I find it hard to believe he'd be okay with this bit of Orwellian spying.
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Who wants to make a bet that they'll just keep on turning up the heat in this pot of water we're all sitting in?
Er, what's that? It's already boiling?!
So let's jump out already. Seriously, we're being cooked alive.
...but we have the 4th amendment to protect us. I work as a contractor for a large information-gathering government agency. The rules regarding US citizens or people in the US are extremely rigid and don't allow for anything without a court order. Some of this is coming out in the pre 9/11 Able Danger allegations, where information was not freely shared because it concerned someone in the US.
Your "privacy" has been sold by the government to corporate interests. The remaining bits of "privacy" are about to be run over by roughshod jackboots in the name of "freedom" and "anti-terrorism."
It is now "government of the people, by the corporation, for the profits."
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Hi!
When you start lying on slashdot, you should exclude details, because you kinda got mixed up.
First of all, you claim that life was good as a teen in the middle to late 70's. In the same paragraph, a few lines later, you claim that the situation got so bad in 1975 that your mother had to go back to working. Now now, correct me if I'm wrong, but 1975 is quite in the middle 70's, no?
Second, how come your american daughter goes to school in Canada? It's pretty clear you have not moved back 'home' yet, because people were downright mean 'last time you were in Canada' and not 'last time I moved back to Canada'. As a sidenote, every province spends a lot of money on public education each year and we don't consider american schools as 'rich schools', really.
Based on these two statements you just pulled out of your ass, I assume that the rest of your article is also based on totally fictious facts. This text has absolutely no value at all. Now resume reading www.invadecanada.us as your post gets modded all the way back to -1, troll. Thanks for your disinformation.
hot grits email bill monitor YOU!
So now my tax dollars will go to help pay OTHER people to sit around all day and read the SPAM I get? Cool, can they please delete it when they're done so I don't have to see it?
Glad I renounced my citizenship with that country. They almost make me feel good about the government we have here. Liberals make U.S. Democrats look honest by comparison.
As a Canadian, i'd just like to say that you are a fucking idiot. You can't even spell BLAME correctly?, congrats on making yourself look dumb.
You're welcome, and as an American I would just like to say... yes we are dumb.
But wasnt that the point?
Btw you really need to work on your anger management skills. Does your mother know how mean and insecure you've become? Chronic masturbation will do that to you. Now play nice.
You're just jealous i stole you're joke. Admit it.
I know this proposed law is for Canada, but we've always taken it for granted that our government is supposed to serve the people. However, many of our politicians have sold out their votes to special interest groups, the same as in the US.
The sad thing is that there are a significant number of them who have fallen prey to the anti-terrorism paranoia, and others are taking advantage of that paranoia to push for changes they know would never be approved in any other political climate.
We need to retain our rights instead of letting them be eroded by a paranoid government as they've been south of the border. Our very right to live, to speak freely, and to engage in political activism is at stake.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Can you name one place in the entire world where the freedom of the people is significantly improving?
Well, in central/eastern Europe in the former socialist-communist states that is still somewhat the case. But I'd lie if I said we don't yet feel the US's and UK's grip ever increasing. You know, freedom is quite relative, most people will be happy if they see their level of freedom above some others. No matter that they all live in chains. I, for one want to be among the first shipment of people colonizing the Moon cause on this planet things are just going downhill.
You are a complete and utter clueless idiot. Please hitch your trailer up to the truck and move to Butt-Stump Kentucky, where you will blend in.
We're an Outlook shop.
Bill already lets anyone monitor our email.
(Thank you! I'll be here all week!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Securi ty_Establishment
It's not just Canada and the UK. They have involuntary committment in the US. And just like it varies from state to state in the US, the process varies from province to province in Canada. Manitoba, which the original post is about, requires both a physician and the Provincial Psychiatrist, and there is a review board.
I'm more familiar with Ontario, which has an informative guide put out by the "Queen Street Outreach Society [which] is a community-based non-profit organization made up of people who've experienced the mental health system." According to them, and it seems to match what I remember from reading the Mental Health Act, involuntary patients:
So maybe crazyphilman should compare his State's laws with those of various Canadian provinces. If after that he or she is still scared of Canada then at least it won't be based on sensationalism.
using PGP for encrypting email? Am I then twarting the police by using this? Do I go to jail?
... you don't know what people are actually going to do with it ... like encrypt their private fucking email - so the fucking cops can't read it!!!!!
The problem with freedom is
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
In the USA we have a thing called a recall petition. The people who voted the bastard in can recall him anytime they want.
A small group of 30 or so people can collect enough signatures to get a vote going and if enough people agreee, the guy is out of there!
You need to get rid of anyone who would violate your freedoms, or create a police state. You need to get rid of them as quickly as possible so the other bastard polititions get the message.
Do not let these people who propose this stuff get away with it for one minute, let them know the people are in charge and are watching!
Anyone see this and think that it meant Bill Gates?
Remember folks, slashdot doesn't have a -1 "disagree" moderation!
And why do we let him make these decisions?
The concept of privacy does not exist in all cultures. It is a fallacy to suggest that, because you cherish it so much, that it must be imposed on all, including cultures that never embraced it in the first place.
Freedom would be not to choose between black and white but to abjure such prescribed choices. -Theodor Adorno
I have been reading about the "lawful access" proposal in various newspapers recently and the article in the Windsor Star is completely wrong about judicial oversight. You can read a much better article about the proposed legislation in the Globe and Mail here.
In summary, the government intends to insert computer network and cell phone communications into the existing criminal code wiretapping provisions which already conform to our Charter of Rights and provide strong judicial oversight. Legislatively, it appears quite simple, but technologicially the law will require a lot of work for ISPs to implement.
I think what is confusing many people (and journalists) is the requirement that ISPs maintain records of your internet activities such that those activities could then be accessed by law enforcement only after a warrant for such information was issued. As I understand it, this is also the point of contention for many civil libertarians: that all internet activities are logged before the application of a warrant. It is equivalent to requiring all telephone companies to record each and every telephone conversation so that the police would be able to review the calls after obtaining a warrant.
So, the legislation isn't the death knell to privacy that some journalists would have you believe. I understand the enormous pressures that police are under to prosecute crimes as they relate to the internet, but I am not convinced that we really need to log all internet access as it occurs so that police may review such activity after the fact. Further, even if the draft legislation did not include judical oversight provions there is no way the law would pass our fractured Parliament without those provisions nor would the law survive a Charter of Rights challenge.
never invite vampires or cops into your home ;-)
If you ever start saying things which are of interest to those who are plugged in, then you will be recorded. Why is nobody upset about this? Why are the politicians not hanging from lamp posts? Why are the spy agencies and secret military outposts not flushed out?
This current stuff in the news is just a bit of low-level fluff for the public to consume and integrate into their state-managed fake version of reality so that they think they are still in control. Phooey.
-FL
Finally, a reason to block email to .ca domains! The risk of interception should be enough for my company to completely stop trying to communicate with those people. They might as well move back to snailmail for anything more important than spam.
M
One more flawed step toward Fascism.
I wonder, when will the people in Canada and the USA be issued their brown shirts and jack boots?
These totolatarian neo-fascists see the Canadian people as suspects, not citizens. And who is going to watch the watchers?
A great way to boost a poor cops wages, black mail people based off of their email. Grab corporate secrets and sell the info to the competition.
There is a growing distrust between the government and the governed, not to mention the overall enslavement of the population through huge tax increases, to be spent on pet projects and pork at the whim of back room closed door bureocrats.
If this bill passes, corporations will have to take flight and leave Canada - all of their private information will become public knowledge. Canadian corporations will be gutted and fried by their competition, all because of government bungling...
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And another thing, While I am glad someone will finally start reading all these fantastic offers to freeload the pilfered wealth of some pathetic african nation in exchange for my bank account number, I still welcome y'all to eat my shorts.
SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
Bill who?
Re: "Bill Would Let Police Monitor Email"
For a moment I though "Bill Gates will let government authorities in on what's going on inside Microsoft? Wow!"
-dZ.
Carol vs. Ghost
Here's a terrifying possibility. What if the bill allows for snooping on ANY e-mail whose packets have passed through Canada? The U.S. could then have joint fishing expeditions along the lines of the NSA echelon program.
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
Bill has been letting the police monitor email for years; remember the NSA key found in service packs?
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Bill does not care about your privacy, only where his next billion comes from.
BTW: Look up the Uncle William Gates, and what years he was director of the CIA, same time Microsoft "came into power"
Hmmmmm
People wake up for those who say if i have nothing to hide what do i have to worry about well the answer is everybody has at least something to hide,if we let them get away with it God knows what other stuff there going to do to us write to your mp and tell them this invades your privacy period,if the cops kick in your door because your doing something that some uptight nut bar doesn't like because he or she can listen to your every move its a charter challenge the government and police have no right to spy on you and what happens in the privacy of your dwelling without your permission,in the next election don't vote liberal or conservative vote NDP i never seen the NDP do this kind of things to people i really can not stand the likes of Geogre Bush,EL Gordro Campbell,Stephen Harper and Paul Martin the ultra right wing control freaks that hate things that enhance your life and allow people to have some freedoms this is not about child porn or terrorism its about control.
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For the hundredth time, we get it, this could easily be "Bill Gates Would Let Police...". Please, just think "legislation" or "proposed law" when you see that particular four-letter word at the beginning of this article title.
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And why can't a post an AC comment FOUR MINUTES after I posted a "Real" comment? (I'll go make a big pot of coffee, then come back to post. This could take a while...)
Slow Down Cowboy!
Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
Uh, no, actually they don't want so many AC comments posted. I did several AC comments once, and it got to where it said this after 8 minutes since the previous post. It does serious rate limiting that doesn't happen on non-AC posts.
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Hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but haven't you heard of the Patriot Act? This sort of thing has been going on in the USA since shortly after 9/11.
There's a reason sigs are separate from the message body. Some of us don't care to see your spam.
It's also reasonable to argue that they shouldn't be eavesdropping on you, especially without a court order, but it's a lot harder, and that doesn't prevent them from collecting whatever information your ISP has or forcing your ISP to give them copies of any of your port 25 traffic in the future.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Now, if they were actually carrying out the wiretaps on behalf of US police/thugs/spooks/politicians/military/etc, that's a different game entirely, because then you're looking at the lowest-common-denominator of those groups' values, and what the [expletive deleted] is the problem with that?
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks