I'm kinda bummed out about Ron Paul dropping out, but also excited by the hope that many of his supporters will choose to support Bob Barr now. Barr is currently the best hope for Freedom and Liberty among Presidential candidates.
Of course there are others of us running for various other offices who also adhere to the ideals of small government, rule of law and the principles Ron Paul has been advocating. My own campaign for Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina might be of interest to some of you, for example. http://www.philrhodes2008.com/
The data collected by the arm will be compared to recent findings which suggest that water on Mars may have been too salty for most known forms of life.
So commercial projects do not use GPL code at all, never, ever ever.
I think an RMS quote is appropriate here:
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Stallman [mailto:rms@gnu.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 8:41 PM To: farber@cis.upenn.edu
You will often hear people say that the GPL does not allow use of the code in commercial software. This is a subtle confusion.
The GPL does not make any distinction between commercial and noncommercial software development. It allows businesses to do all the same things that individuals and schools are allowed to do.
However, the GPL does forbid use of the code in *proprietary* (non-free) software. The GPL does not allow adding any additional restrictions to any program that includes the code. So any program that incorporates the GPL-covered code, whether it be commercial, academic, or avocational, must be released as free software. As a whole, it must be released under the GPL (though you can put a more lax GPL-compatible license such as X11 on the parts you write, if you wish).
I think that people who say the GPL disallows commercial software are probably saying "commercial" but actually thinking "proprietary". But while they may understand the GPL rightly, lumping together commercial software and proprietary software is a grave mistake. There is plenty of noncommercial non-free software. There is also commercial free software--and we want to encourage more.
That is exactly what GPL intends to prevent - proprietary software companies making profit from code released as free software.
No it isn't. The intent of the GPL is that the user of a piece of software should have the freedom to use, modify and/or redistribute it as he/she wants. Nothing stops you from charging money for - and making a profit from - GPL'd software. Red Hat - for example - make money every day from selling GPL'd code.
Is making money on GPL'd code perhaps *different* from making money of of proprietary / closed-source code? Perhaps so... the business model may be different, and the risks different, but nonetheless, you can certainly profit from GPL'd software.
Why? It's incredible simple: you put in effort, the result in code is zilch. What's there not to understand?
What's not to understand? Well, for starters, how you can be so sure that what happened yesterday indicates what will happen tomorrow. No open source project starts off with dozens of developers jumping in to start contributing from day zero. There's a finite pool of people who might - hypothetically - be interested in contributing to any given project... the more of them who know about the project, the better the chances that n of them will decide to get involved.
Of course your cynicism might be justified. Lots of projects never wind up with a multitude of contributors. As I've already said, I don't believe there are any guarantees. But it certainly can't hurt to take steps to get the word out about a project that needs help.
In fact, in that case, I'd go as far as to say if you had put your efforts in coding, you would have gotten more out of it, even if the accumulated efforts, over years, get you one or two code commissions. I speak from experience. You can put it away as me being bitter and burn more hours on pr and such of what will give you little return, or adjust to reality.
If I were spending "hours" on PR on a regular basis, I might be inclined to agree with your assessment. But in truth, I don't know that I've spent more than an hour or two total - over the history of the project - doing anything that would count as "PR". Certainly I'm not inclined to spend an inordinate amount of time and money on PR, at least not at the moment.
As for the OP, I didn't mean to to suggest that he embark on an all out publicity blitz. I'm just saying that exposure helps and suggesting that he do the "easy stuff" to help get his project noticed. Register it at Ohloh, Advogato, Freshmeat, etc., stick the link in his/. sig and his email sig, etc. Announce new releases on Freshmeat, and write the occasional blog post about the project. If it helps get contributors, great. If not, the investment in time and effort wasn't that great in the first place.
After several years of deployment, Google Maps still displays incorrectly in Firefox 2 if you spin the scroll wheel too fast. That's about where window refresh was at Microsoft Windows 2.x or so - broken.
AJAX is a method to shoehorn functionality into a trifecta of legacy platforms that was never really designed for it. Like retrofitting a horseless carriage with a honda civic engine and bolting on some wings, a rudder, and a propeller with the intent to fly across the atlantic.
Just because you've gotten it to fly doesn't mean you've invented a modern aircraft. Well said, friend, well said. If I had mod points, you'd definitely get a +1 from me for that.
it comes down to promotion / exposure.
I am, as far as I can remember, the only one who has committed a line of code. So, it does not (?). Huh? I'm not sure what your point is. The more exposure OpenQabal has gotten, the more interest I've received from people wanting to join the project... that was pretty much my point, that it takes time to grow interest and get other people involved. When I started, it was just me, period. Now there are other people who are at least doing builds, submitting bugs, etc.
Keep in mind, the project I'm referring to is very young. It was launched in the Sept/Oct timeframe of last year. If the trend of growing interest holds up, I would expect to have another developer or two contributing sometime in 2008.
To echo what has already been said (mostly)... it comes down to promotion / exposure. If enough people see your project, the chances increase that some set n of those people will be developers and developers who might be interested in a project like yours.
From my own experience, I'd say it takes a lot of time to begin to attract additional developers to a project. The project I founded (OpenQabal) has about 6 or 7 people on the dev mailing list, but to this date I am, as far as I can remember, the only one who has committed a line of code. To be fair though, some of the other folks have helped with QA work and testing, bug reports, etc.
I'd suggest just promoting your project through all the common avenues... list it on Freshmeat, Advogato, Ohloh, etc., try to make the website SEO friendly, put a link in your/. sig, maybe create a project blog and update it regularly, etc. Announce new releases on Freshmeat for sure. Mentioning the project on forums and mailing lists and newsgroups that are relevant to the project might also be good, but don't spam.
And trying to get it mentioned on/. somehow might not hurt either.. harharhar....
Ruby and Erlang are the two I've spent the most time with so far. I like Ruby enough so far, that I've decided to write the initial batch of install scripts for OpenQabal in Ruby.
Outside of that wish-list, I also harbor some vague hope of one day finding time to dabble with Forth, Fortran, Perl, and maybe Dylan.
And your point is what? You seem to believe that Java is strictly interpreted when in truth that is almost never the case with a modern VM. And the link you just supplied makes a case which seems counter to your position on Java performance.
Java is often Just-in-time compiled at runtime by the Java Virtual machine. Hence, when Just-in-time compiled, its performance is: [12]
* lower than the performance of compiled languages as C or C++, but not significantly for most tasks,
The average performance of Java programs has increased a lot over time, and Java's speed is now comparable with C or C++. In some cases Java is significantly slower, in others, significantly faster[13]
No, Java isn't perfect, but blanket assertions that "Java is just plain slow" and other that that ilk, are just plain wrong. In a great many contexts, the performance of Java is more than sufficient. If something you see that uses Java is too slow, that just argues that it needs to be optimized, not that it can't be performant because it's Java.
While I agree that being able to define a range for error bars is nice, does anyone within the scientific community seriously use a spreadsheet for data analysis? In my experience the capabilities of Excel and the like are woefully inadequate for this purpose.
Yes, but one of the really awesome projects that is underway is R integration with Calc. It's very preliminary right now, but the goal is to be able to use R functions from inside Calc. Should be pretty sweet when it's ready.
Hopefully, the stability issues that have been plaguing OOo 2.3 will be fixed too. A dozen or so users of OOo 2.3 for Linux I know have been experiencing more stability-related issues than all the Windows users of OpenOffice I know combined. Can anyone confirm/explain this? Thanks.
I use OO.o 2.3 on Fedora 8 all the time, and haven't had a single problem with crashing / instability yet, FWIW.
As long as a Java software converted to byte code is nothing more than interpreted code, and the VM an interpreter, it's slower than compiled code. Pretending it isn't makes no sense.
YGTBKM! LOL! I like your enthusiasm, but you know the Air Force neither encourages nor condones criminal activity.
I find myself wondering if the question asker's scenario couldn't fall under something like a Letter of Marque and Reprisal? If so, this is hardly a novel idea, as it's actually something that is explicitly accounted for in the US Constitution.
I've seen similar complaints, but have never been able to reproduce any such problem. I can open and close tabs all day, and Firefox does not suck up all my memory, or even a significant portion of it. I can't even run it long enough to come close to sucking up all of my memory (it would take several weeks of use every day without ever closing it). Could you explain how the rest of us could see the problem? If you do, we could report it and the problem could be fixed.
I've seen the same behavior in every point release of FF 2.x that I've used, on both Linux and Windows. Surf for days at a time, opening large numbers of tabs, and the RAM usage grows to ridiculous proportions ( virtual image size > 1GB, resident image size ~= 1GB), and closing tabs (and even windows) does not release any memory back to the OS. Consistently the only thing that would release the memory was to kill the process.
Why this is so hard to reproduce, I can't fathom, as it happens very, very consistently for me, and has for ages.
I'm sure all of the "tips" in that article are valid, if you work for a stodgy old company run by stodgy old people, or a company full of superficial twits who judge other people by superficial things like clothing. IF you work for a company like that, and IF you intend to continue to do so, AND you care about "climbing the corporate ladder" then sure, ditch your jeans, Iron Maiden t-shirts, Hawaiian shirts, sandals, etc.
On the other hands, you work for one of those kinds of companies, and if you don't care to be a sell-out ("to thine own self be true" and all that) then I suggest quitting and going to work somewhere populated with people who care about things that actually matter, like performance, cultural fit, work ethic, etc. Or, better yet, quit and start your own company.
"Those people" are dinosaurs and there time is passing anyway. Hopefully as the "Gen X" and "Gen Y" kids start to displace their predecessors in the business world, it'll represent an opportunity to inject some fresh thinking and new approaches to things. Life is too short to waste time worrying about what morons think about your belt and shoes.
Now excuse me while I go back to listening to Skid Row's "Youth Gone Wild." \m/
If artificial intelligence ever gets to the point where it is greater than humans, won't it be capable of producing even better AI, which would in turn create even better AI, and so on? If AI does reach the level of human intelligence, and eventually surpasses it, can we expect an explosion in technology and other sciences as a result?
Right, and of course the next question is "what's to stop the terrorists from doing the same analysis, and the making it a point to do something other than what the model predicts?" Now that it's public knowledge that we are using this kind of analysis, wouldn't it be useless?
Good, that's exactly what we need more of in Congress. Unless the "things" are legislation intended to roll-back the size and scope of the Federal government. And I'm pretty sure Ron would vote for one of those if it ever came to a vote.:-)
McCain sits more middle of the road and is clearly the only solid choice at this point.
McCain is a lunatic and a Fascist to boot... more than any other candidate he represents a continuation of the GWB brand of neo-conservatismFascism... he scares me more than any candidate but Hillary Clinton, with her radical socialist agenda.
If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, the best bet is to vote for the Libertarian Party nominee. Even better if that person turns out to be Ron Paul.
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I'm kinda bummed out about Ron Paul dropping out, but also excited by the hope that many of his supporters will choose to support Bob Barr now. Barr is currently the best hope for Freedom and Liberty among Presidential candidates.
Of course there are others of us running for various other offices who also adhere to the ideals of small government, rule of law and the principles Ron Paul has been advocating. My own campaign for Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina might be of interest to some of you, for example. http://www.philrhodes2008.com/
We can regain our Freedom, if we choose to.
I, for one, welcome our new Sourceforge corporate overlords.
The data collected by the arm will be compared to recent findings which suggest that water on Mars may have been too salty for most known forms of life.
What about most unknown forms of life?
It's a great song. I'll definitely be picking up the new album in the not-too-distant future.
I, for one, welcome our new large, complex Martian lifeform Overlords!
I think an RMS quote is appropriate here:
That is exactly what GPL intends to prevent - proprietary software companies making profit from code released as free software.
No it isn't. The intent of the GPL is that the user of a piece of software should have the freedom to use, modify and/or redistribute it as he/she wants. Nothing stops you from charging money for - and making a profit from - GPL'd software. Red Hat - for example - make money every day from selling GPL'd code.
Is making money on GPL'd code perhaps *different* from making money of of proprietary / closed-source code? Perhaps so... the business model may be different, and the risks different, but nonetheless, you can certainly profit from GPL'd software.
Why? It's incredible simple: you put in effort, the result in code is zilch. What's there not to understand?
/. sig and his email sig, etc. Announce new releases on Freshmeat, and write the occasional blog post about the project. If it helps get contributors, great. If not, the investment in time and effort wasn't that great in the first place.
What's not to understand? Well, for starters, how you can be so sure that what happened yesterday indicates what will happen tomorrow. No open source project starts off with dozens of developers jumping in to start contributing from day zero. There's a finite pool of people who might - hypothetically - be interested in contributing to any given project... the more of them who know about the project, the better the chances that n of them will decide to get involved.
Of course your cynicism might be justified. Lots of projects never wind up with a multitude of contributors. As I've already said, I don't believe there are any guarantees. But it certainly can't hurt to take steps to get the word out about a project that needs help.
In fact, in that case, I'd go as far as to say if you had put your efforts in coding, you would have gotten more out of it, even if the accumulated efforts, over years, get you one or two code commissions. I speak from experience. You can put it away as me being bitter and burn more hours on pr and such of what will give you little return, or adjust to reality.
If I were spending "hours" on PR on a regular basis, I might be inclined to agree with your assessment. But in truth, I don't know that I've spent more than an hour or two total - over the history of the project - doing anything that would count as "PR". Certainly I'm not inclined to spend an inordinate amount of time and money on PR, at least not at the moment.
As for the OP, I didn't mean to to suggest that he embark on an all out publicity blitz. I'm just saying that exposure helps and suggesting that he do the "easy stuff" to help get his project noticed. Register it at Ohloh, Advogato, Freshmeat, etc., stick the link in his
AJAX is a method to shoehorn functionality into a trifecta of legacy platforms that was never really designed for it. Like retrofitting a horseless carriage with a honda civic engine and bolting on some wings, a rudder, and a propeller with the intent to fly across the atlantic.
Just because you've gotten it to fly doesn't mean you've invented a modern aircraft. Well said, friend, well said. If I had mod points, you'd definitely get a +1 from me for that.
Keep in mind, the project I'm referring to is very young. It was launched in the Sept/Oct timeframe of last year. If the trend of growing interest holds up, I would expect to have another developer or two contributing sometime in 2008.
Of course there are no guarantees here...
To echo what has already been said (mostly)... it comes down to promotion / exposure. If enough people see your project, the chances increase that some set n of those people will be developers and developers who might be interested in a project like yours.
/. sig, maybe create a project blog and update it regularly, etc. Announce new releases on Freshmeat for sure. Mentioning the project on forums and mailing lists and newsgroups that are relevant to the project might also be good, but don't spam.
/. somehow might not hurt either.. harharhar....
From my own experience, I'd say it takes a lot of time to begin to attract additional developers to a project. The project I founded (OpenQabal) has about 6 or 7 people on the dev mailing list, but to this date I am, as far as I can remember, the only one who has committed a line of code. To be fair though, some of the other folks have helped with QA work and testing, bug reports, etc.
I'd suggest just promoting your project through all the common avenues... list it on Freshmeat, Advogato, Ohloh, etc., try to make the website SEO friendly, put a link in your
And trying to get it mentioned on
Haskell
Ruby
Erlang
R
Prolog
Groovy
Scala
Lua
Lisp
Smalltalk
Scheme
Ocaml
Ruby and Erlang are the two I've spent the most time with so far. I like Ruby enough so far, that I've decided to write the initial
batch of install scripts for OpenQabal in Ruby.
Outside of that wish-list, I also harbor some vague hope of one day finding time to dabble with Forth, Fortran, Perl, and maybe Dylan.
And your point is what? You seem to believe that Java is strictly interpreted when in truth that is almost never the case with a modern VM. And the link you just supplied makes a case which seems counter to your position on Java performance.
Java is often Just-in-time compiled at runtime by the Java Virtual machine. Hence, when Just-in-time compiled, its performance is: [12]
* lower than the performance of compiled languages as C or C++, but not significantly for most tasks,
The average performance of Java programs has increased a lot over time, and Java's speed is now comparable with C or C++. In some cases Java is significantly slower, in others, significantly faster[13]
No, Java isn't perfect, but blanket assertions that "Java is just plain slow" and other that that ilk, are just plain wrong. In a great many contexts, the performance of Java is more than sufficient. If something you see that uses Java is too slow, that just argues that it needs to be optimized, not that it can't be performant because it's Java.
While I agree that being able to define a range for error bars is nice, does anyone within the scientific community seriously use a spreadsheet for data analysis? In my experience the capabilities of Excel and the like are woefully inadequate for this purpose.
Yes, but one of the really awesome projects that is underway is R integration with Calc. It's very preliminary right now, but the goal is to be able to use R functions from inside Calc. Should be pretty sweet when it's ready.
Hopefully, the stability issues that have been plaguing OOo 2.3 will be fixed too. A dozen or so users of OOo 2.3 for Linux I know have been experiencing more stability-related issues than all the Windows users of OpenOffice I know combined. Can anyone confirm/explain this? Thanks.
I use OO.o 2.3 on Fedora 8 all the time, and haven't had a single problem with crashing / instability yet, FWIW.
As long as a Java software converted to byte code is nothing more than interpreted code, and the VM an interpreter, it's slower than compiled code. Pretending it isn't makes no sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HotSpot
So, on this question and answer:
YGTBKM! LOL! I like your enthusiasm, but you know the Air Force neither encourages nor condones criminal activity.
I find myself wondering if the question asker's scenario couldn't fall under something like a Letter of Marque and Reprisal? If so, this is hardly a novel idea, as it's actually something that is explicitly accounted for in the US Constitution.
I have no mod points, so consider this a "virtual +1" from me. You are exactly correct, sir.
I've seen similar complaints, but have never been able to reproduce any such problem. I can open and close tabs all day, and Firefox does not suck up all my memory, or even a significant portion of it. I can't even run it long enough to come close to sucking up all of my memory (it would take several weeks of use every day without ever closing it). Could you explain how the rest of us could see the problem? If you do, we could report it and the problem could be fixed.
I've seen the same behavior in every point release of FF 2.x that I've used, on both Linux and Windows. Surf for days at a time, opening large numbers of tabs, and the RAM usage grows to ridiculous proportions ( virtual image size > 1GB, resident image size ~= 1GB), and closing tabs (and even windows) does not release any memory back to the OS. Consistently the only thing that would release the memory was to kill the process.
Why this is so hard to reproduce, I can't fathom, as it happens very, very consistently for me, and has for ages.
I'm sure all of the "tips" in that article are valid, if you work for a stodgy old company run by stodgy old people, or a company full of superficial twits who judge other people by superficial things like clothing. IF you work for a company like that, and IF you intend to continue to do so, AND you care about "climbing the corporate ladder" then sure, ditch your jeans, Iron Maiden t-shirts, Hawaiian shirts, sandals, etc.
On the other hands, you work for one of those kinds of companies, and if you don't care to be a sell-out ("to thine own self be true" and all that) then I suggest quitting and going to work somewhere populated with people who care about things that actually matter, like performance, cultural fit, work ethic, etc. Or, better yet, quit and start your own company.
"Those people" are dinosaurs and there time is passing anyway. Hopefully as the "Gen X" and "Gen Y" kids start to displace their predecessors in the business world, it'll represent an opportunity to inject some fresh thinking and new approaches to things. Life is too short to waste time worrying about what morons think about your belt and shoes.
Now excuse me while I go back to listening to Skid Row's "Youth Gone Wild." \m/
If artificial intelligence ever gets to the point where it is greater than humans, won't it be capable of producing even better AI, which would in turn create even better AI, and so on? If AI does reach the level of human intelligence, and eventually surpasses it, can we expect an explosion in technology and other sciences as a result?
That's the popular hypothesis.
Of course there is Life On Mars, just ask Sam Tyler.
Right, and of course the next question is "what's to stop the terrorists from doing the same analysis, and the making it a point to do something other than
what the model predicts?" Now that it's public knowledge that we are using this kind of analysis, wouldn't it be useless?
He doesn't vote for things, just against them
:-)
Good, that's exactly what we need more of in Congress. Unless the "things" are legislation intended to roll-back the
size and scope of the Federal government. And I'm pretty sure Ron would vote for one of those if it ever came to
a vote.
McCain sits more middle of the road and is clearly the only solid choice at this point.
McCain is a lunatic and a Fascist to boot... more than any other candidate he represents a continuation of the GWB brand of neo-conservatismFascism... he scares me more than any candidate but Hillary Clinton, with her radical socialist agenda.
If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, the best bet is to vote for the Libertarian Party nominee. Even better if that
person turns out to be Ron Paul.