I agree with all of that. However I still think zimmerman will likely come to a similar bad end, since he will eventually irritate someone better armed. Imagine what would have happened had the firearm been in the other hand.
Like I said, both of them were in the wrong. One was just punished more harshly and the other not enough.
You are not reading what I am saying so I am not sure why I am continueing.
I am not an apologist, I think they are both guilty of something.
If I goad someone into a fight I should not be allowed to kill them. It makes getting away with murder too easy. In most states he would have had a duty to retreat.
I would call him a stupid thug kid. Like I said, I am not an apologist I think both of them were royal shitheads. One was punished too harshly the other not enough.
Just because a catholic priest abused little boys does not make him not a catholic and not a priest or not a christian. The same with this preacher. Humans are fallible, all of them.
It does not give them permission to assault you, but it does cause a reasonable expectation.
The situation was not over, or he would have left the area. At least gotten into his locked vehicle. If he called 911 they could get his location from his phone. He could have driven to the nearest intersection. To me it appears he was not interested in any of that. He wanted to be a vigilante or at least pretend to be.
I think both of them made mistakes, it is sad that only one of them was punished for it and him too harshly.
It is, just like alcohol, or nicotine It is of course far less harmful than either of those. It also tends to make the user non-violent, unlike alcohol. Thus it would be funny to suggest it was a factor in a fight.
No it does not. It limits only his interactions with those services. It does not for example prevent him from using nmap or send out arbitrary packets. You realize that those are different right? That an unprivileged user on your computing devices can still do damage that way?
Yeah, in my state you do have a duty to retreat if possible. Odds are sometime between his head bouncing off the pavement and him stalking this kid he had that opportunity. I can see the self defense for that situation, but I think he should suffer some punishment for his involvement. I am not claiming this is murder or maybe even manslaughter, but it sure as hell is behavior indicative of someone who should not have a concealed carry permit.
The point is what he meant was if you don't auth against AD you can't get some services.
The reason I hate this use of the work network is that it totally ignores an entire class of security problems. Speaking that way leads to thinking that way. I know of places you can walk in off the street, and plug into the physical network and have lots of fun. From outdated servers to wide open devices to dbs with no auth for local users. Yet, that admin too claims you can't do anything without logging into the "network".
I never said such a thing. I think he should have left when instructed by the 911 operator. Not for any legal reason, but because it was good advice. I think the kid should have called the cops instead of attacking him. I think both of them made very bad choices at that time and others. I hope killing this kid haunts him for the rest of his life. I hope he has to live a long life with that on his conscience.
I was not aware. Why use codeine when better opiates are available?
In my past when I was involved in that we would have laughed at the suggestion to use codeine to get high when opium and heroin are readily available. Well the real opium was more rare, but the price it commanded reflected that.
Where was he getting this codiene? Without a prescription you can't get good cough syrup.
Free Republic is not a reputable source.
Besides this would not be illegal if he had the prescription. More likely would be DXM from normal cough syrup. This still does not convince me of him being a bad person though, recreational drug use is not exactly uncommon or restricted to bad people. Alcohol is widely consumed.
So what you would say if he was white was that he was robotripping. This actually weakens your argument if you had any idea what that does to a person while on it. This recipe does nothing to increase potency of the cough syrup, but he may help to mask the objectionable flavor. I had some college buddies that liked this sort of thing, to avoid the taste they bought it in gelcaps.
Cough syrup with codeine is not available over the counter in the USA. So DXM is a far more like candidate for the active ingredient. Cough syrup is sold behind the counter in some places because people steal it. In my area it is generally left on the shelf in any store I would visit.
Robotripping is not exactly unheard of nor is it that dangerous to anyone save for the user. The real problem with this sort of thing is that most cough syrup contains large amount of acetaminophen (the active ingredient in tylenol) which causes liver damage.
I was aware stand your ground did not factor into it, but I thought there were some prohibitions on starting a fight via words too. My mistake.
I still think that both of them acted poorly and that from what I read about him Zimmerman should not have been allowed a firearm. His actions do not speak to him being a responsible gun owner. I say this as a gun owner.
Any evidence of this? When was he convicted of dealing guns?
Was this drug concoction perhaps alcohol? What street drugs are taken that way? None I know of. I guess you could put acid in a drink, but then you would not be fighting too well. In short I think you are full of shit.
How about you put up some citations to reputable sources.
1. Sure, but that does not mean it was not predictable. 2. Fine grocery store. The point is simply that one can now create a situation where by you can kill your victim and come out with a solid defense. You can now harass and bother someone until they attack you if you want to legally kill them.
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I agree with all of that. However I still think zimmerman will likely come to a similar bad end, since he will eventually irritate someone better armed. Imagine what would have happened had the firearm been in the other hand.
Like I said, both of them were in the wrong. One was just punished more harshly and the other not enough.
You are not reading what I am saying so I am not sure why I am continueing.
I am not an apologist, I think they are both guilty of something.
If I goad someone into a fight I should not be allowed to kill them. It makes getting away with murder too easy. In most states he would have had a duty to retreat.
I would call him a stupid thug kid. Like I said, I am not an apologist I think both of them were royal shitheads. One was punished too harshly the other not enough.
That is exactly what it means.
Just because a catholic priest abused little boys does not make him not a catholic and not a priest or not a christian. The same with this preacher. Humans are fallible, all of them.
No, only deny if that is where you live.
If that is not where you live and hopefully very far away, then you accept that.
I wish I could use the Google I first found. It now ignores all kinds of information and meaningful symbols.
Google code search should be an interface to normal google.
It does not give them permission to assault you, but it does cause a reasonable expectation.
The situation was not over, or he would have left the area. At least gotten into his locked vehicle. If he called 911 they could get his location from his phone. He could have driven to the nearest intersection. To me it appears he was not interested in any of that. He wanted to be a vigilante or at least pretend to be.
I think both of them made mistakes, it is sad that only one of them was punished for it and him too harshly.
It is, just like alcohol, or nicotine
It is of course far less harmful than either of those. It also tends to make the user non-violent, unlike alcohol. Thus it would be funny to suggest it was a factor in a fight.
No it does not. It limits only his interactions with those services. It does not for example prevent him from using nmap or send out arbitrary packets. You realize that those are different right? That an unprivileged user on your computing devices can still do damage that way?
Yeah, in my state you do have a duty to retreat if possible. Odds are sometime between his head bouncing off the pavement and him stalking this kid he had that opportunity. I can see the self defense for that situation, but I think he should suffer some punishment for his involvement. I am not claiming this is murder or maybe even manslaughter, but it sure as hell is behavior indicative of someone who should not have a concealed carry permit.
Now you are stretching.
The point is what he meant was if you don't auth against AD you can't get some services.
The reason I hate this use of the work network is that it totally ignores an entire class of security problems. Speaking that way leads to thinking that way. I know of places you can walk in off the street, and plug into the physical network and have lots of fun. From outdated servers to wide open devices to dbs with no auth for local users. Yet, that admin too claims you can't do anything without logging into the "network".
I never said such a thing.
I think he should have left when instructed by the 911 operator. Not for any legal reason, but because it was good advice. I think the kid should have called the cops instead of attacking him. I think both of them made very bad choices at that time and others. I hope killing this kid haunts him for the rest of his life. I hope he has to live a long life with that on his conscience.
I was not aware. Why use codeine when better opiates are available?
In my past when I was involved in that we would have laughed at the suggestion to use codeine to get high when opium and heroin are readily available. Well the real opium was more rare, but the price it commanded reflected that.
Nor do they talk about puppy mills.
What do you expect? Are they to be champions of all causes?
Where was he getting this codiene?
Without a prescription you can't get good cough syrup.
Free Republic is not a reputable source.
Besides this would not be illegal if he had the prescription. More likely would be DXM from normal cough syrup. This still does not convince me of him being a bad person though, recreational drug use is not exactly uncommon or restricted to bad people. Alcohol is widely consumed.
So what you would say if he was white was that he was robotripping. This actually weakens your argument if you had any idea what that does to a person while on it. This recipe does nothing to increase potency of the cough syrup, but he may help to mask the objectionable flavor. I had some college buddies that liked this sort of thing, to avoid the taste they bought it in gelcaps.
Cough syrup with codeine is not available over the counter in the USA. So DXM is a far more like candidate for the active ingredient. Cough syrup is sold behind the counter in some places because people steal it. In my area it is generally left on the shelf in any store I would visit.
Robotripping is not exactly unheard of nor is it that dangerous to anyone save for the user. The real problem with this sort of thing is that most cough syrup contains large amount of acetaminophen (the active ingredient in tylenol) which causes liver damage.
If you are sleeping with someone else's wife lets hope they get the first shot off.
I am shooting a 70lb Compound with 80% letoff. I can shoot through a steel drum. Not really useful, but neat to do.
I was aware stand your ground did not factor into it, but I thought there were some prohibitions on starting a fight via words too. My mistake.
I still think that both of them acted poorly and that from what I read about him Zimmerman should not have been allowed a firearm. His actions do not speak to him being a responsible gun owner. I say this as a gun owner.
Any evidence of this?
When was he convicted of dealing guns?
Was this drug concoction perhaps alcohol? What street drugs are taken that way? None I know of. I guess you could put acid in a drink, but then you would not be fighting too well. In short I think you are full of shit.
How about you put up some citations to reputable sources.
I agree they both made mistakes, but I just don't think someone should be able to setup that situation and get away with it.
If I was less moral I would take advantage of that.
Most people are not that reasonable and at least where I grew up no one will call the police. They will assault you.
When was he convicted of dealing drugs?
What was he high on? If it was pot I will laugh at you.
I was not aware that was the case then.
I have always assumed that if you started a fight you would not be able to use that as a defense.
I have also always assumed that bring a gun to a fist fight was not only unsporting but should be illegal as it escalates the situation.
So yeah "no true scotsman" as I suspected.
No, I am attempting to change the way morons speak.
Trolling would be if I said all people who used microsoft software are like that. I did not.
I want them to at least learn the OSI model.
1. Sure, but that does not mean it was not predictable.
2. Fine grocery store. The point is simply that one can now create a situation where by you can kill your victim and come out with a solid defense. You can now harass and bother someone until they attack you if you want to legally kill them.