Actually, the 80186 and 80188 are still in production. It was never adopted for the PeeCee market. It's used extensively in embedded designs. Be careful when exhibiting your ignorance in public.
Lots of people have tried Windows 2000. The third beta release is available from Microsoft for $60. I have it running on a machine at home, on my network alongside my Linux box and my Windows 98 box.
You're thinking like a home user now. In any size of commercial operation, the cost of the OS itself is only a small fraction of the cost of keeping it going. The fact that Linux is free (particularly if your own time in setting it up is worth nothing) and NT costs some money is defrayed by the significant cost in administering either. And the cost of Administering an NT or a Netware server has been shown to be considerably less than the cost of administering a Unix server (except for in the case where there are zealouts babysitting the Unix server- of course neglecting their primary responsiblities).
Only a home user or a rank amateur looks at the retail price on the box and equates that with the cost of the system.
The average user goes out and buys a printer. S/he plugs the printer into the port on the machine, pops a disk into the floppy drive, and follows the easy GUI directions to install the printer driver. That's if it's not a newer printer, in which case the Windows OS finds the printer and automatically installs the printer drivers. (my Laserjet 6P, for instance)
The average user won't ever be able to add a second printer under Linux. It's a hopeless proposition.
It's right for big honchos to defend Linux with fury. Withut Linux they're not the 'big expert' anymore.
This brings back memories of way back when I ran a small social BBS using WWIV version 3 software (written in Turbo Pascal V.3 so it could be edited easily by sysops). I had a user who INSISTED on typing everything in ALL CAPS all the time. I knew that he had upper/lower case and that he was just doing it to tick me off. So I dug into the source code and found the line-entry routine in the pascal. I hacked the code so that only the first letter in any word (defined as any sequence of non-whitespace characters) could be upper case. Any following upper case letter was forced to lower case by the software. I remember how amusing it was the next time the offending poster logged on and tried to type in all upper case.
Okay, I admit that it was a pretty weird form of amusement. Kept life interesting anyways. About the most fun possible to have using an 8088 machine and a 1200 baud modem.
A point to be made here is that Microsoft doesn't innovate so much as it takes ideas that come from the elite and makes them available "for the rest of us."
Spray paint an iMac beige, and what do you have? A Lear-Siegler ADM3.
Ten years from now they will have to show Open Source(tm) programmers stealing time and resources from their employers to produce Open Source(tm) software. This dovetails with the fact that Jobs and Woz stole from the phone company (blueboxing) to finance Apple's startup, and the fact that Microsoft stole computer time (using a univeristy PDP-10 on which commercial work was specifically prohibited) to develop their first version of the BASIC interpreter. This of course assumes that OpenSource(tm) won't be a mere footnote ten years from now.
Now wait-a-minute here. While what you've typed here is, near as I know, the entire truth about the IBM/Microsoft deal, you didn't say anything snide about Microsoft in it. Don't you know this is Slashdot? Show some covert envy there, bucko.
"Traditional Music Storage" would be ink on paper. If it's good ink, on high rag content paper, or parchment, it can and does last a long time. It also appreciates significantly in value, as any owner of a Bach manuscript knows.
Try not to be too harsh. Years back I bought a Lear Siegler ADM3A dumb terminal (the predecessor of the iMac) at a surplus store, to use as the terminal on my Altos CP/M box (it had no keyboard or screen, just a RS-232 console port.) I discovered it was permanently modified to be all-caps-only. I disassembled it to find a wire had been soldered over the caps-lock keyswitch, making it permanently upper-case.
Isn't a petition something that has to be given to the people who you're fighting against for it to have any meaning? So they're soliticing to build a list of the people most likely to be abrogating patents and copyrights, and turning it over to lawyers who work for the companies enforcing patents and copyrights. Slick, huh?
No, the difference between mp3 and the CD format is also one of data quality. It's like comparing a pure (uncompressed) 6 Meg TIFF image to a 257 KB Jpeg.
People for years have been arguing over wether CD is better than vinyl. Its not even an issue with MP3. They aren't as high fidelity.
Speaking of security issues and newbie users, I recently discovered, by chance actually, that a friend of mine was running her Linux box with NO root password. She'd been tooling around on the net for weeks, and hadn't ever put in a root password during installation (that was possible with Slackware 3.6, it has you create a password as part of the setup for Slackware 4.0). I discovered it by chance when she sent me a piece of email. I read the header to find her dynamically assigned IP address and telnetted to the machine. My regular account on the machine was gone (she's reinstalled since I'd last been over) so I tried 'root' and *wham* I was at a root prompt with no password prompting.
That sort of thing is going to happen a lot what with all the newbies buying shrinkwrapped RedHat/SuSE/Caldera OSes at superstores. It's going to give Linux a bad name when it starts happening because Joe Hotdog put Linux on his machine at work with no thoughts about security. I predict it will eventually lead many businesses to ban Linux on the desktop.
The BeOS comes with GCC, and a lot of BSD-derived components (like the ls command, etc, when you drop down to a bash shell). It's completely single-user (isn't multi-user a part of Posix?).
My free update of BeOS 4.5 came in the mail today. I like what Be is doing.
It's probably a dodgey OS based on some things in Linux and some things in BeOS. It's probably not intended for "general use" but is rather marketed as an "information appliance." That's the market that stuff like this is trying to create. It'll be like the dedicated word processors they're still selling some places, but with the ability to browse the Web as well. If it's GPL'd, that just means there will be a CD-ROM tucked into the back cover of the owners manual with the source code. For $200 I doubt if there's a CD-ROM drive in the machine itself.
The Haroldson is a much tastier apple than the Macintosh, IMHO. But I suppose "Haroldson" just doesn't have that 'chic appeal they needed to sell the Mac.
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Now stop that right now! He was spreading perfectly good Anti-Windows 2000 FUD and you go an interfere with him!
If you buy the Beta Version of Windows 2000 now, you get the Workstation (now called "Professional") and the Server, together for $60.
Actually, the 80186 and 80188 are still in production. It was never adopted for the PeeCee market. It's used extensively in embedded designs. Be careful when exhibiting your ignorance in public.
Eric Raymond isn't into right-wing politics. He's into Wicca and witchcraft and all that stuff. Neopaganism.
A few tens or hundreds of people doing this on a regular basis can do amazing things. . .
Yep, a few tens or hundreds of people doing this can make all Linux advocates look like rabid nuts.
Windows 2000 is out in Beta 3 right now. Release Candidate 1 will be out within a month.
You'll be sitting at a command line poking around with files when W2K hits.
Wake up!
Lots of people have tried Windows 2000. The third beta release is available from Microsoft for $60. I have it running on a machine at home, on my network alongside my Linux box and my Windows 98 box.
Don't you mean "open sores" that the ants (hackers) are crawling around in?
Linux is cheap
You're thinking like a home user now. In any size of commercial operation, the cost of the OS itself is only a small fraction of the cost of keeping it going. The fact that Linux is free (particularly if your own time in setting it up is worth nothing) and NT costs some money is defrayed by the significant cost in administering either. And the cost of Administering an NT or a Netware server has been shown to be considerably less than the cost of administering a Unix server (except for in the case where there are zealouts babysitting the Unix server- of course neglecting their primary responsiblities).
Only a home user or a rank amateur looks at the retail price on the box and equates that with the cost of the system.
You're wrong.
The average user goes out and buys a printer. S/he plugs the printer into the port on the machine, pops a disk into the floppy drive, and follows the easy GUI directions to install the printer driver. That's if it's not a newer printer, in which case the Windows OS finds the printer and automatically installs the printer drivers. (my Laserjet 6P, for instance)
The average user won't ever be able to add a second printer under Linux. It's a hopeless proposition.
It's right for big honchos to defend Linux with fury. Withut Linux they're not the 'big expert' anymore.
This brings back memories of way back when I ran a small social BBS using WWIV version 3 software (written in Turbo Pascal V.3 so it could be edited easily by sysops). I had a user who INSISTED on typing everything in ALL CAPS all the time. I knew that he had upper/lower case and that he was just doing it to tick me off. So I dug into the source code and found the line-entry routine in the pascal. I hacked the code so that only the first letter in any word (defined as any sequence of non-whitespace characters) could be upper case. Any following upper case letter was forced to lower case by the software. I remember how amusing it was the next time the offending poster logged on and tried to type in all upper case.
Okay, I admit that it was a pretty weird form of amusement. Kept life interesting anyways. About the most fun possible to have using an 8088 machine and a 1200 baud modem.
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A point to be made here is that Microsoft doesn't innovate so much as it takes ideas that come from the elite and makes them available "for the rest of us."
Spray paint an iMac beige, and what do you have? A Lear-Siegler ADM3.
Ten years from now they will have to show Open Source(tm) programmers stealing time and resources from their employers to produce Open Source(tm) software. This dovetails with the fact that Jobs and Woz stole from the phone company (blueboxing) to finance Apple's startup, and the fact that Microsoft stole computer time (using a univeristy PDP-10 on which commercial work was specifically prohibited) to develop their first version of the BASIC interpreter. This of course assumes that OpenSource(tm) won't be a mere footnote ten years from now.
Now wait-a-minute here. While what you've typed here is, near as I know, the entire truth about the IBM/Microsoft deal, you didn't say anything snide about Microsoft in it. Don't you know this is Slashdot? Show some covert envy there, bucko.
First Edition collectors buy a reading copy and a collector's copy.
"Traditional Music Storage" would be ink on paper. If it's good ink, on high rag content paper, or parchment, it can and does last a long time. It also appreciates significantly in value, as any owner of a Bach manuscript knows.
Try not to be too harsh. Years back I bought a Lear Siegler ADM3A dumb terminal (the predecessor of the iMac) at a surplus store, to use as the terminal on my Altos CP/M box (it had no keyboard or screen, just a RS-232 console port.) I discovered it was permanently modified to be all-caps-only. I disassembled it to find a wire had been soldered over the caps-lock keyswitch, making it permanently upper-case.
Maybe this fellow can't find his soldering iron.
Isn't a petition something that has to be given to the people who you're fighting against for it to have any meaning? So they're soliticing to build a list of the people most likely to be abrogating patents and copyrights, and turning it over to lawyers who work for the companies enforcing patents and copyrights. Slick, huh?
No, the difference between mp3 and the CD format is also one of data quality. It's like comparing a pure (uncompressed) 6 Meg TIFF image to a 257 KB Jpeg.
People for years have been arguing over wether CD is better than vinyl. Its not even an issue with MP3. They aren't as high fidelity.
You've got 64 albums online at your place of employment? Don't you worry about getting fired for trafficing in illegal stuff using company resources?
(I guess you're pretty confident your boss doesn't read this forum, eh?)
Speaking of security issues and newbie users, I recently discovered, by chance actually, that a friend of mine was running her Linux box with NO root password. She'd been tooling around on the net for weeks, and hadn't ever put in a root password during installation (that was possible with Slackware 3.6, it has you create a password as part of the setup for Slackware 4.0). I discovered it by chance when she sent me a piece of email. I read the header to find her dynamically assigned IP address and telnetted to the machine. My regular account on the machine was gone (she's reinstalled since I'd last been over) so I tried 'root' and *wham* I was at a root prompt with no password prompting.
That sort of thing is going to happen a lot what with all the newbies buying shrinkwrapped RedHat/SuSE/Caldera OSes at superstores. It's going to give Linux a bad name when it starts happening because Joe Hotdog put Linux on his machine at work with no thoughts about security. I predict it will eventually lead many businesses to ban Linux on the desktop.
The BeOS comes with GCC, and a lot of BSD-derived components (like the ls command, etc, when you drop down to a bash shell). It's completely single-user (isn't multi-user a part of Posix?).
My free update of BeOS 4.5 came in the mail today. I like what Be is doing.
It's probably a dodgey OS based on some things in Linux and some things in BeOS. It's probably not intended for "general use" but is rather marketed as an "information appliance." That's the market that stuff like this is trying to create. It'll be like the dedicated word processors they're still selling some places, but with the ability to browse the Web as well. If it's GPL'd, that just means there will be a CD-ROM tucked into the back cover of the owners manual with the source code. For $200 I doubt if there's a CD-ROM drive in the machine itself.
Did you miss the part about 'single or limited-use' in your glee at labelling Windows and Office "bloated legacy"?
I can't think of much at all that's "lighter" about a Linux machine. And the "legacy" apps on a Linux machine are far older than the Microsoft stuff.
If it's a TV set thing, $199 isn't low enough. Aren't WebTV boxes about $99 these days?
The Haroldson is a much tastier apple than the Macintosh, IMHO. But I suppose "Haroldson" just doesn't have that 'chic appeal they needed to sell the Mac.