Before we all start well-wishing Sun too much, recall that they've got blood on their hands as well. Schwartz really elucidates sun's position clearly here.
They might be a microsoft competitor, but they've got no love for the penguin either. Outright hostility, I'd say.
Fine, fine. But you didn't really answer my question. I
waned to know why they said that linux was too unsupported. The fans are an issue that I know about.
The relative dearth of support companies for ppc linux is another. VT might have another rational.
You can get into flame wars all day about linux vs. osx. I use both daily. I am a scientific programmer.
For their sake, I really hope that they're not planning on using HFS, tho. mpich (which I know they're not using, but I'm going to cite as an example), has several files like mpicc and mpiCC that to HFS have the same name (and are overwritten) because it is not case sensitive in file names.
I wonder if by "lack of support in linux," that they're refering to the fact that the fans are controlled by the operating system in the powermac? Or the fact that there are relatively few support companies for ppc linux?
When the FSF refers to the GPL license as being a "copyleft" they're making a joke, because they're using COPYRIGHT law to ensure that the code remains freely available. Copyleft is not a principle the law recognizes.
Ours was a bit longer, and covered openMP as well (umich seems to only care about mpi:)). Link is here, and has both powerpoint slides and html for the microsoft-phobes.
I agree that a buffer overflow in the login window would be bad. I've just seen no evidence that the login crashes are linked to a buffer overflow or are the same as the screensaver problem.
I've "crashed" the login screen by just entering the wrong password - not a buffer overflow, I'd not suspect.
The people who reported crashing the login window did the same thing...they entered an incorrect password. I don't think it's length had anything to do with the reported behavior. That's my only point.
I'm not convinced there was ever a general cocoa problem.
Obviously, there was the screensaver bug, and I reproduced that myself.
Other people mentioned a problem with the login window. I've noticed before if I type an incorrect password it drops to a text-console. This is what people observed when trying to overflow the login window. It's certainly not an exploit.
I tried overflowing text fields in safari and mail, without incident.
If someone really found another app that was affected as the screensaver was, I'd really like to hear about it.
Unless someone does, I'll give apple the benefit of the doubt. They fixed the problem, no harm no foul.
This law does not establish a new crime, rather it directs the law enforcement agencies to work together to combat crime in a more efficient manner. So no, I'd say this does not change the law. It certainly doesn't change copyright law.
As for your view that this suddenly makes copyright infringment a criminal offense, read several of the posts in this thread. Copyright infringment has been a criminal act, under the jurisdiction of the FBI, for as long as this 28 year old can remember.
And yes, I think copyright as it is now is currently fucked. But I understand that the government needs to enforce its laws. I'm not thrilled will this bill, but I don't think it is the threat most people here seem to think it is.
Distributing copyrighted materials without the permission of the copyright owner is illegal. This is true regardless of what you might think about the fairness of either the behaviour of the copyright owner or of the copyright law itself.
This bill is unique. It seems rational. In a world where senators advocate allowing copyright owners to (without due process) destroy or hack computers in an attempt to halt unlawful distribution of their materials, this seems sane.
It does nothing more than encourage law enforcement to cooperate in fighting crime, and puts the American people on notice that breaking the law is wrong, and that the people distributing many popular p2p programs plan spyware in their programs, and that the use of p2p carries risks for the safety of your computer, especially if they are used unwisely (like shareing an entire drive.)
Depending on when it fell off, anything that might have fallen off would have a pretty poor aerodynamic profile, and would have slowed fairly quickly, I suspect. Considering that the shuttle moves at tens of thousands of mph, hundreds of mph difference makes a rough sense to me. The NASA people had video, and could measure the speed. So if they claim hundreds of mph I'd believe it.
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Before we all start well-wishing Sun too much, recall that they've got blood on their hands as well. Schwartz really elucidates sun's position clearly here.
They might be a microsoft competitor, but they've got no love for the penguin either. Outright hostility, I'd say.
Or just do it in m4, their input files are already in it.
Fine, fine. But you didn't really answer my question. I waned to know why they said that linux was too unsupported. The fans are an issue that I know about. The relative dearth of support companies for ppc linux is another. VT might have another rational.
You can get into flame wars all day about linux vs. osx. I use both daily. I am a scientific programmer.
For their sake, I really hope that they're not planning on using HFS, tho. mpich (which I know they're not using, but I'm going to cite as an example), has several files like mpicc and mpiCC that to HFS have the same name (and are overwritten) because it is not case sensitive in file names.
I wonder if by "lack of support in linux," that they're refering to the fact that the fans are controlled by the operating system in the powermac? Or the fact that there are relatively few support companies for ppc linux?
Any insiders care to comment?
Microwaves don't use UV. They, uh, use microwaves. :)
Is it still unimpressive when you realize that these turn any remote exploit into a remote root exploit?
Good thing apple is right on top of those patches, or I'd be a bit more worried.
Who said they were giving it away for free? This is a preview beta download. I suspect it'll be expensive when finally released.
But it would be nice if they learned a lesson from intel and just gave it away.
Ah, but can you link a 32-bit program with your 64-bit system libraries? Want two of every library?
Sorry, here's the PR page link.
When the FSF refers to the GPL license as being a "copyleft" they're making a joke, because they're using COPYRIGHT law to ensure that the code remains freely available. Copyleft is not a principle the law recognizes.
It's been over a week since both IBM and Red Hat filed their suits, and SCO still hasn't upated their PR page?
There is no tubgirl. Worry not.
Obviously then you are to be despised.
We did this as well at my university.
Ours was a bit longer, and covered openMP as well (umich seems to only care about mpi :)). Link is here, and has both powerpoint slides and html for the microsoft-phobes.
I agree that a buffer overflow in the login window would be bad. I've just seen no evidence that the login crashes are linked to a buffer overflow or are the same as the screensaver problem.
I've "crashed" the login screen by just entering the wrong password - not a buffer overflow, I'd not suspect.
The people who reported crashing the login window did the same thing...they entered an incorrect password. I don't think it's length had anything to do with the reported behavior. That's my only point.
I'm not convinced there was ever a general cocoa problem.
Obviously, there was the screensaver bug, and I reproduced that myself.
Other people mentioned a problem with the login window. I've noticed before if I type an incorrect password it drops to a text-console. This is what people observed when trying to overflow the login window. It's certainly not an exploit.
I tried overflowing text fields in safari and mail, without incident.
If someone really found another app that was affected as the screensaver was, I'd really like to hear about it.
Unless someone does, I'll give apple the benefit of the doubt. They fixed the problem, no harm no foul.
I didn't at first either, but did using the ctrl-a, ctrl-k, crtl-y method others have described.
I accede this point, and point out that it isn't inconsistent with my previous post.
This law does not establish a new crime, rather it directs the law enforcement agencies to work together to combat crime in a more efficient manner. So no, I'd say this does not change the law. It certainly doesn't change copyright law.
As for your view that this suddenly makes copyright infringment a criminal offense, read several of the posts in this thread. Copyright infringment has been a criminal act, under the jurisdiction of the FBI, for as long as this 28 year old can remember.
And yes, I think copyright as it is now is currently fucked. But I understand that the government needs to enforce its laws. I'm not thrilled will this bill, but I don't think it is the threat most people here seem to think it is.
Look. People are violating the law in a massive and flagrant way. The offended parties have a right to be mad, and congress is right to take action.
The proposed bill is not insane, and as a matter of fact, seems like a rather reasonable solution.
If you don't like the copyright system, don't participate, or work to change it. Until then, expect the government to enforce its laws.
If anything the announcement demonstrates their commitment to not falling behind again. I think it was a very smart move on their part pr-wise.
Copyright infringment is a crime, and you can be sent to jail for it.
Haven't you watched a video? Read the FBI warning at the beginning?
Distributing copyrighted materials without the permission of the copyright owner is illegal. This is true regardless of what you might think about the fairness of either the behaviour of the copyright owner or of the copyright law itself.
This bill is unique. It seems rational. In a world where senators advocate allowing copyright owners to (without due process) destroy or hack computers in an attempt to halt unlawful distribution of their materials, this seems sane.
It does nothing more than encourage law enforcement to cooperate in fighting crime, and puts the American people on notice that breaking the law is wrong, and that the people distributing many popular p2p programs plan spyware in their programs, and that the use of p2p carries risks for the safety of your computer, especially if they are used unwisely (like shareing an entire drive.)
Depending on when it fell off, anything that might have fallen off would have a pretty poor aerodynamic profile, and would have slowed fairly quickly, I suspect. Considering that the shuttle moves at tens of thousands of mph, hundreds of mph difference makes a rough sense to me. The NASA people had video, and could measure the speed. So if they claim hundreds of mph I'd believe it.
Does it do rootless X yet?