It's still racist to imply that people who use those ticks are less educated than those that don't. Linguistic profiling is one of the last forms of racism that's generally accepted by main stream society and I'm not surprised that some idiot decided to mod me down for pointing it out.
You keep saying it's racist, speech has nothing to do with race! It's an absurd argument you're making that an individuals speech is ethnically based. Guess that means Obama can't ever speak English properly because he's black? How does that work for Eminem? LOL is he a race-bater for rapping?
If one talks like an idiot then don't be surprised if people perceive them as an idiot. Why is this so hard to grasp? There is nothing racist about that you bigot.
When something goes to trial the plaintiff or prosecutor and the defense agree to a set of ground rules which include the jury only acting within their power and on the basis of the evidence given. Jury nullification is something which breaks the deal and makes it even harder to obtain justice as the prosecutor/plaintiff has to then worry about the opinions of the jury as to whether or not the defendant should be guilty, not whether or not they did it.
We have a legal system, not justice. A very important distinction. Otherwise we wouldn't have DAs who are measured by their conviction rates, "success" stacked towards those with the most money, innocents executed, being held without a trial etc.
I believe the person(s) who foot the bill for the site give a shit. Let me guess, you work for free for the betterment of man kind purely out of a selfless need to help others and money is the last thing you want since you place such a low value on what your time is worth.
If the site operators are not getting money from advertisers, it'll be subscription based or (laughably) sponsor/donation based (unless you're convinced people who won't even view or sit through ads are willing to pay, HAH). Most people don't want to do any of that, take a look at how popular file sharing is. I don't have a love for viewing ads, however, I understand how things work in the real world.
I've maintained and operated a magazine funded entirely off of advertisers for a few years - meaning it was "free" to the end user. How does that work? I provide them business, if they don't get business, I don't get business. The hardest part was initially starting, me: "Hey I've got a great idea, want to be in a trade publication?" Potential Advertiser: "Who else is in it?" me: "About that!"
You people will never realize that American-manufactured goods were once the best there were. They were durable, they actually weren't that expensive, and you could trust them.
If your stuff is built like the stuff from the 1940s and 50s it may make it well past your grandkids.
Watch out for the lead paints! I too have lots of tools from my Grandfather's workshop (woodworking) which I honestly don't have much of a use for. While I understand what you're saying it's also a fallacy. Simply because you have stuff that has lasted from that time doesn't mean everything from that era did. Plenty of stuff was shit canned too. I know I like a unibody construction car instead of the bolted together vehicles from that era for example. Those cars literally shook themselves apart.
If you live in the USA, do not join the Boy Scouts of America. It is a hateful and discriminatory organization which forces swearing of religious fealty and allegiance to a pre-approved religious group. If you do not live in the USA, investigate your local Scouting organization -- some are more moderate than others. If you live in Europe or Canada, it's a pretty safe bet it's fine. Asia is a crapshoot and in Africa groups are mostly run by missionaries
Rapid!? That word doesn't describe internet over a phone, the PS3 or the iPad very accurately unless you're a time traveler from 2005 or you're upgrading from dial-up. Jobs and apple were the best as taking a ford focus, selling it for the cost of a BMW, and making you think you just got a Ferrari. Do you work for Apple by chance;)?
I hate to reply to myself, but upon further reading your original post I see what you're saying about having the user's life enriched.
To clarify: I'm not stating that these platforms are worthless or they shouldn't be used. I was under the apparently mistaken impression you were advocating these as a replacement for a PC for everyone. They are not viable in many situations where real work gets done. For the record I own an iPhone and an iPad. One was provided by work and the other a (nice) gift. If all you're doing is reviewing things and browsing, they're very useful for displaying wireframes, demoing sites, displaying photos, movies, and ebooks. However once you move beyond that it gets a little more involved and becomes a hassle. This is why i consider the iPad a toy instead of a tool.
It isn't. mrbcs is just another sack of geek filth spewing his zero intellect mental diarrhea onto the internet. Shit rags like him measure ALL intelligence by computer skills. It's all lonely, miserable farts like him have in the world, so they measure everything and everyone else by it.
You bringing up compiling software just proves that you Don't Get It. That isn't what 99.8% of people do with their computers. They don't buy machines with that in mind.
Where is a breakdown of what people do with their computers? Who buys more, businesses or individuals? Who has larger budgets? I'm not singling out tablets, the GP stated iPhone + iPad + PS3 combo is what you need to get shit done. I disagree.
What if I'm not trying to save money? Maybe I want stuff that works the way I want, and I'm will to spend my own money to buy it. I could use a $200 netbook and not get what I want. Or I could buy what I want.
So now it's about you, and not everyone else? If you're not trying to save money great, most people and businesses are and I was using that hypothetical example. Your post stated it's superior. I've pointed out ways it is not compared to what already exists. What is so challenging about that? Either you put some facts out behind why having 3 points of failure instead of one (which are more expensive and less capable) is superior FOR EVERYONE. See the difference that makes?
What if I choose my devices and working methods based on my actual life, not your incorrectly-imagined characterization of it? It's a good thing we do the choosing instead of you, because we have specific information about our lives and you clearly do not.
So it's about you? Your original post didn't state what was best for you, you made a broad claim stating an iPad, iPhone, and PS3 is THE SUPERIOR CHOICE compared to a computer. For everyone. You didn't say "a superior solution for my lifestyle" your post. I'm glad you think for me and your solution works better for me and my actual needs (do you even know what I use a computer for?). You clearly have zero clue about what I do, and your proposed solution is a step backwards for nearly everything I do too, so who is ignorant?
I have no problem with the vehicle it self, typically the drivers I've encountered in Southern California on my commute are not keeping up with traffic. Of all of the cars which are typically "gutless" Prius drivers take the cake. Ever been behind a VW Bus/old Bug on a hill? It's very similar. I almost want to get out and push! For the uninitiated: it's bliss when you can't get around them because they're going so slow cars on either side are rushing past.
If you're a Prius owner that isn't afraid of keeping up with traffic (I've only encountered two in my life, I'd love to buy them a beer) that wasn't directed at you. It's the ones who drive in the inside lane at their own rate which give them a bad name in my experience.
The difference is that the IPhone/iPad/PS3 user made his own choice based on his own interests and considers his life improved.
So that's the only one that matters eh? Well I can say I've made my own choice based on my interest but that doesn't make painting with a broad brush accurate. Do you see businesses switching enmass to the superior ecosystem you've proposed? Example: Kohath shows up at work and needs to print on the office network. Kohath also needs to access files on the network. The office network is not wifi. Kohath is asked to create a report on the monthly sales figures (no google docs, no wifi remember!) and needs to enter in some of the contracts into the CRM. How are you doing data entry? (You need a docking station, extra cables, a keyboard and wifi!? Guess you can try and type it in via your phone, since you can type faster with two fingers than 10 right? Why are the other people done with theirs his boss wonders.)
The 3 devices aren't just a substitute for a PC, they're superior
Superior to whom though, and by what metrics? Certainly not cost and not to anyone who creates anything, only to those who consume. I'm not against these devices, however, claiming that they do what a "PC" does (and better!) is laughable, each of those devices are low resolution and functionally crippled by comparison. I'll spell it out for you: How do you compile anything for those devices using those devices? If you're making games for them how does the modelling, full motion video renders and editing, word processing work on the "superior" platform? You're attempting to convince me that having LESS superior? The only perk you have with two of those options is portability, hello, this is "solved" with laptops which are more entirely more functional than the keyboardless portable "solutions".
Kohath's Solution:
iPad2 ($499 US/ €479 DE)
iPhone 4 ($199-399 (US carrier subsidized rate, non-subsidized (see here under unlocked): iPhone 4: $599 for the 16GB, $699 for the 32GB
iPhone 3GS: $499 for the 8GB.) €799 DE)
PS3 ($299 US, €239 DE) (unfairly priced as it is subsidized by game price
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$997+ tax (low end subsidized), $1397+tax on the lower end non subsidized (€1517 + VAT).
Factor in phone service fees (lets say $50/month with a limited dataplan).
Why list the unsubsidized rates? Because computers are not subsidized. Makers don't expect you to buy 10 games with your computer purchase. If you want to compare oranges to oranges you need to also factor this in.
Now you can almost do what you can with a laptop, except slower with less options and no ability to create or install your own software (you can't develop for any of these platforms using these platforms and are required to use the walled garden sources). You're also not factoring in how reliable these devices are and they have zero "upgrades" save for storage.
None of the devices you've listed realistically display higher than 720p. PS3 CAN do it, but shouldn't.
Shit rags like him measure ALL intelligence by computer skills. It's all lonely, miserable farts like him have in the world, so they measure everything and everyone else by it.
Sorta like those people who judge you by the car you drive? Call me crazy but I know I hate being behind a Prius 9 times out of 10, and VW Busses/Bugs. Might as well get out and walk at that point...
I tend to buy things for other reasons such as layout ideas and trends or even because something interesting caught my eye. I purchase magazines and papers on a whim and only a handful of times throughout the year. I have more of a "Do I really need this?" moment with electronic purchases for under $10. (I do this for larger purchases too, but I seem to really burn mental cycles over it for the "small" purchases.
When I buy papers and magazines it's simply because I find it relaxing to hold and read especially when I go to the beach (which isn't as often as I like) or when I fly/get freedom fondled. I am still on the fence with the e-readers. I see them as very capable for reference work but the initial cost needs to be factored in too. "I've now spent $150+ to do what I could already to before." On one hand you have the appeal of a device which may contain an entire personal library in a nifty hand held device. Books tend to be heavy and they require lots of effort when you're moving several bookcases. On the other hand draw backs with battery power, brightness, longevity/construction, resale, planned obsolescence, retroactive DRM etc. E-readers seem more like toys (to me) than devices to get work done and introduce more problems than they solve. As with anything there are trade offs and I love being able to search through electronic copies with ease but at the end of the day I look forward to my ritual of taking my glasses off, feeling the paper, and getting immersed in the material.
Greetings. Speaking as someone who is involved in the print industry, our company works/ed with many large and small papers across the US as well as in several countries over the last 40 years supplying software for advertisement accounts receivable and circulation management.
This was the first gaming magazine I ever read. I have issue #1 in my attic some place, and yeah, I thought it was grand. Now, the market has changed, and they give up? What the hell, is it that American companies just LACK agility in any shape or form these days?
I noticed you didn't say "I have their latest magazine on my desk". I think you may be able to answer your own question: How many people 35 and under in your circle regularly purchase magazines or maintain active subscriptions, even to papers? Heck, I hardly purchase them any more opting for online sources which don't require a subscription ("free" isn't my only metric, my habits have changed from 15 years ago). Typically I make a few magazine/news paper purchases a year and using this year as an example I recall purchasing 2600 and maybe a neat specialty bookazine (200 pages of CG stuff from the UK) throughout the year. Many of my friends do not even do that, but they do make book and misc. purchases from Amazon throughout the year. How much competition is there in the video game segment?
Where and how people get information has changed significantly. In addition to that, what people are willing to pay for has changed as well. Another example from that past is to look at how news groups used to be THE way to get information online. Now forums have replaced news groups for the most part, see stackexchange.
I can think of maybe 5 off the top of my head that will come against a big change and go "ok we can handle this" instead of doing like GamePro and caving.
And how many have folded in that same period? Shrinking pie.
Ok I'm done ranting, but seriously, what is with the print industry? Sure, print is done, but DON'T kill the horse. Start a games site. See Destructoid or some other successful indie gaming news outlet. They started indie and made it big. GamePro would have had the advantage of starting big and STAYING BIG.
I don't think you're aware of print margins either but maybe their business isn't viable without the print. How much overhead is there (take someone's salary and double that for a rule of thumb business costs)? See how much effort is involved in maintaining a sales force, steady income via subscriptions and/or advertisers, distribution, creative (writers, designers), legal etc. It's a lot of work and to say "you just give up when the market changes?" is hilarious. In the software world buyouts happen all the time - look at Google (Picasa!), Microsoft (Security Essentials), Apple etc. Look at the phone industry. I digress. Since there is now one less player, and you're confident in the demand for the services this publication provided now is your chance to shine, who knows, you might be able to scratch an itch.
Slashdot Mirror
My thoughts exactly. I'm surprised this hasn't been modded up.
It's still racist to imply that people who use those ticks are less educated than those that don't. Linguistic profiling is one of the last forms of racism that's generally accepted by main stream society and I'm not surprised that some idiot decided to mod me down for pointing it out.
You keep saying it's racist, speech has nothing to do with race! It's an absurd argument you're making that an individuals speech is ethnically based. Guess that means Obama can't ever speak English properly because he's black? How does that work for Eminem? LOL is he a race-bater for rapping?
If one talks like an idiot then don't be surprised if people perceive them as an idiot. Why is this so hard to grasp? There is nothing racist about that you bigot.
We're on /. it's not stealing, it's sharing!
When something goes to trial the plaintiff or prosecutor and the defense agree to a set of ground rules which include the jury only acting within their power and on the basis of the evidence given. Jury nullification is something which breaks the deal and makes it even harder to obtain justice as the prosecutor/plaintiff has to then worry about the opinions of the jury as to whether or not the defendant should be guilty, not whether or not they did it.
We have a legal system, not justice. A very important distinction. Otherwise we wouldn't have DAs who are measured by their conviction rates, "success" stacked towards those with the most money, innocents executed, being held without a trial etc.
Yes. Who gives a shit?
I believe the person(s) who foot the bill for the site give a shit. Let me guess, you work for free for the betterment of man kind purely out of a selfless need to help others and money is the last thing you want since you place such a low value on what your time is worth.
If the site operators are not getting money from advertisers, it'll be subscription based or (laughably) sponsor/donation based (unless you're convinced people who won't even view or sit through ads are willing to pay, HAH). Most people don't want to do any of that, take a look at how popular file sharing is. I don't have a love for viewing ads, however, I understand how things work in the real world.
I've maintained and operated a magazine funded entirely off of advertisers for a few years - meaning it was "free" to the end user. How does that work? I provide them business, if they don't get business, I don't get business. The hardest part was initially starting, me: "Hey I've got a great idea, want to be in a trade publication?" Potential Advertiser: "Who else is in it?" me: "About that!"
You people will never realize that American-manufactured goods were once the best there were. They were durable, they actually weren't that expensive, and you could trust them.
I think you misspelled German. =)
If your stuff is built like the stuff from the 1940s and 50s it may make it well past your grandkids.
Watch out for the lead paints! I too have lots of tools from my Grandfather's workshop (woodworking) which I honestly don't have much of a use for. While I understand what you're saying it's also a fallacy. Simply because you have stuff that has lasted from that time doesn't mean everything from that era did. Plenty of stuff was shit canned too. I know I like a unibody construction car instead of the bolted together vehicles from that era for example. Those cars literally shook themselves apart.
If you live in the USA, do not join the Boy Scouts of America. It is a hateful and discriminatory organization which forces swearing of religious fealty and allegiance to a pre-approved religious group. If you do not live in the USA, investigate your local Scouting organization -- some are more moderate than others. If you live in Europe or Canada, it's a pretty safe bet it's fine. Asia is a crapshoot and in Africa groups are mostly run by missionaries
Pledge of Allegiance
whatever religion touches, it ruins. so sad we still have to bow down to imaginary sky faeries. or, you get excluded!
Indeed guess we better get rid of the Big Bang Theory and Al Gebra. Filthy bigots and their tainted knowledge!
Rapid!? That word doesn't describe internet over a phone, the PS3 or the iPad very accurately unless you're a time traveler from 2005 or you're upgrading from dial-up. Jobs and apple were the best as taking a ford focus, selling it for the cost of a BMW, and making you think you just got a Ferrari. Do you work for Apple by chance ;)?
I hate to reply to myself, but upon further reading your original post I see what you're saying about having the user's life enriched.
To clarify: I'm not stating that these platforms are worthless or they shouldn't be used. I was under the apparently mistaken impression you were advocating these as a replacement for a PC for everyone. They are not viable in many situations where real work gets done. For the record I own an iPhone and an iPad. One was provided by work and the other a (nice) gift. If all you're doing is reviewing things and browsing, they're very useful for displaying wireframes, demoing sites, displaying photos, movies, and ebooks. However once you move beyond that it gets a little more involved and becomes a hassle. This is why i consider the iPad a toy instead of a tool.
It isn't. mrbcs is just another sack of geek filth spewing his zero intellect mental diarrhea onto the internet. Shit rags like him measure ALL intelligence by computer skills. It's all lonely, miserable farts like him have in the world, so they measure everything and everyone else by it.
You bringing up compiling software just proves that you Don't Get It. That isn't what 99.8% of people do with their computers. They don't buy machines with that in mind.
Where is a breakdown of what people do with their computers? Who buys more, businesses or individuals? Who has larger budgets? I'm not singling out tablets, the GP stated iPhone + iPad + PS3 combo is what you need to get shit done. I disagree.
What if I'm not trying to save money? Maybe I want stuff that works the way I want, and I'm will to spend my own money to buy it. I could use a $200 netbook and not get what I want. Or I could buy what I want.
So now it's about you, and not everyone else? If you're not trying to save money great, most people and businesses are and I was using that hypothetical example. Your post stated it's superior. I've pointed out ways it is not compared to what already exists. What is so challenging about that? Either you put some facts out behind why having 3 points of failure instead of one (which are more expensive and less capable) is superior FOR EVERYONE. See the difference that makes?
What if I choose my devices and working methods based on my actual life, not your incorrectly-imagined characterization of it? It's a good thing we do the choosing instead of you, because we have specific information about our lives and you clearly do not.
So it's about you? Your original post didn't state what was best for you, you made a broad claim stating an iPad, iPhone, and PS3 is THE SUPERIOR CHOICE compared to a computer. For everyone. You didn't say "a superior solution for my lifestyle" your post. I'm glad you think for me and your solution works better for me and my actual needs (do you even know what I use a computer for?). You clearly have zero clue about what I do, and your proposed solution is a step backwards for nearly everything I do too, so who is ignorant?
I have no problem with the vehicle it self, typically the drivers I've encountered in Southern California on my commute are not keeping up with traffic. Of all of the cars which are typically "gutless" Prius drivers take the cake. Ever been behind a VW Bus/old Bug on a hill? It's very similar. I almost want to get out and push! For the uninitiated: it's bliss when you can't get around them because they're going so slow cars on either side are rushing past.
If you're a Prius owner that isn't afraid of keeping up with traffic (I've only encountered two in my life, I'd love to buy them a beer) that wasn't directed at you. It's the ones who drive in the inside lane at their own rate which give them a bad name in my experience.
The difference is that the IPhone/iPad/PS3 user made his own choice based on his own interests and considers his life improved.
So that's the only one that matters eh? Well I can say I've made my own choice based on my interest but that doesn't make painting with a broad brush accurate. Do you see businesses switching enmass to the superior ecosystem you've proposed? Example: Kohath shows up at work and needs to print on the office network. Kohath also needs to access files on the network. The office network is not wifi. Kohath is asked to create a report on the monthly sales figures (no google docs, no wifi remember!) and needs to enter in some of the contracts into the CRM. How are you doing data entry? (You need a docking station, extra cables, a keyboard and wifi!? Guess you can try and type it in via your phone, since you can type faster with two fingers than 10 right? Why are the other people done with theirs his boss wonders.)
The 3 devices aren't just a substitute for a PC, they're superior
Superior to whom though, and by what metrics? Certainly not cost and not to anyone who creates anything, only to those who consume. I'm not against these devices, however, claiming that they do what a "PC" does (and better!) is laughable, each of those devices are low resolution and functionally crippled by comparison. I'll spell it out for you: How do you compile anything for those devices using those devices? If you're making games for them how does the modelling, full motion video renders and editing, word processing work on the "superior" platform? You're attempting to convince me that having LESS superior? The only perk you have with two of those options is portability, hello, this is "solved" with laptops which are more entirely more functional than the keyboardless portable "solutions".
Kohath's Solution:
iPad2 ($499 US/ €479 DE)
iPhone 4 ($199-399 (US carrier subsidized rate, non-subsidized (see here under unlocked): iPhone 4: $599 for the 16GB, $699 for the 32GB iPhone 3GS: $499 for the 8GB.) €799 DE)
PS3 ($299 US, €239 DE) (unfairly priced as it is subsidized by game price
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$997+ tax (low end subsidized), $1397+tax on the lower end non subsidized (€1517 + VAT).
Factor in phone service fees (lets say $50/month with a limited dataplan).
Why list the unsubsidized rates? Because computers are not subsidized. Makers don't expect you to buy 10 games with your computer purchase. If you want to compare oranges to oranges you need to also factor this in.
Now you can almost do what you can with a laptop, except slower with less options and no ability to create or install your own software (you can't develop for any of these platforms using these platforms and are required to use the walled garden sources). You're also not factoring in how reliable these devices are and they have zero "upgrades" save for storage.
None of the devices you've listed realistically display higher than 720p. PS3 CAN do it, but shouldn't.
Seems like a hell of a deal!
Progress: "I don't need my car any more! I now have a wagon, a pogo stick, and moon shoes!"
I wish I had mod points for you!
Shit rags like him measure ALL intelligence by computer skills. It's all lonely, miserable farts like him have in the world, so they measure everything and everyone else by it.
Sorta like those people who judge you by the car you drive? Call me crazy but I know I hate being behind a Prius 9 times out of 10, and VW Busses/Bugs. Might as well get out and walk at that point...
Kudos, Sir.
I tend to buy things for other reasons such as layout ideas and trends or even because something interesting caught my eye. I purchase magazines and papers on a whim and only a handful of times throughout the year. I have more of a "Do I really need this?" moment with electronic purchases for under $10. (I do this for larger purchases too, but I seem to really burn mental cycles over it for the "small" purchases.
When I buy papers and magazines it's simply because I find it relaxing to hold and read especially when I go to the beach (which isn't as often as I like) or when I fly/get freedom fondled. I am still on the fence with the e-readers. I see them as very capable for reference work but the initial cost needs to be factored in too. "I've now spent $150+ to do what I could already to before." On one hand you have the appeal of a device which may contain an entire personal library in a nifty hand held device. Books tend to be heavy and they require lots of effort when you're moving several bookcases. On the other hand draw backs with battery power, brightness, longevity/construction, resale, planned obsolescence, retroactive DRM etc. E-readers seem more like toys (to me) than devices to get work done and introduce more problems than they solve. As with anything there are trade offs and I love being able to search through electronic copies with ease but at the end of the day I look forward to my ritual of taking my glasses off, feeling the paper, and getting immersed in the material.
This was the first gaming magazine I ever read. I have issue #1 in my attic some place, and yeah, I thought it was grand. Now, the market has changed, and they give up? What the hell, is it that American companies just LACK agility in any shape or form these days?
I noticed you didn't say "I have their latest magazine on my desk". I think you may be able to answer your own question: How many people 35 and under in your circle regularly purchase magazines or maintain active subscriptions, even to papers? Heck, I hardly purchase them any more opting for online sources which don't require a subscription ("free" isn't my only metric, my habits have changed from 15 years ago). Typically I make a few magazine/news paper purchases a year and using this year as an example I recall purchasing 2600 and maybe a neat specialty bookazine (200 pages of CG stuff from the UK) throughout the year. Many of my friends do not even do that, but they do make book and misc. purchases from Amazon throughout the year. How much competition is there in the video game segment?
Where and how people get information has changed significantly. In addition to that, what people are willing to pay for has changed as well. Another example from that past is to look at how news groups used to be THE way to get information online. Now forums have replaced news groups for the most part, see stackexchange.
I can think of maybe 5 off the top of my head that will come against a big change and go "ok we can handle this" instead of doing like GamePro and caving.
And how many have folded in that same period? Shrinking pie.
Ok I'm done ranting, but seriously, what is with the print industry? Sure, print is done, but DON'T kill the horse. Start a games site. See Destructoid or some other successful indie gaming news outlet. They started indie and made it big. GamePro would have had the advantage of starting big and STAYING BIG.
I don't think you're aware of print margins either but maybe their business isn't viable without the print. How much overhead is there (take someone's salary and double that for a rule of thumb business costs)? See how much effort is involved in maintaining a sales force, steady income via subscriptions and/or advertisers, distribution, creative (writers, designers), legal etc. It's a lot of work and to say "you just give up when the market changes?" is hilarious. In the software world buyouts happen all the time - look at Google (Picasa!), Microsoft (Security Essentials), Apple etc. Look at the phone industry. I digress. Since there is now one less player, and you're confident in the demand for the services this publication provided now is your chance to shine, who knows, you might be able to scratch an itch.
Are you asthmatic?
.xxx is a porn domain, why would this company want that? The last bit of the GP post should alert you to it not being serious =)
It has attracted the interest of a member of Congress. Markey, Barton Ask U.S. Wireless Companies to Explain How They Track Their Customers. This is in the wake of Malte Spitz where we were able to see his movements over a 6 month period. link.