..or that the commentators are pointing out the passive-aggressive vitriol in the article itself, and the authors can't handle the heat, or are profiting from holding specific views.
Anonymity is the ability to state unpopular truth without self destruction. Anonymity ensures this legal responsibility. Anonymity is the mother of liberty.
That's fine as long as you are willing to stop posting. The problem is that the culture is choosing to censor itself when unpleasant truth crops up. We're all affected by that kind of damage whether we choose to stop posting or not.
There's a whole range of expression that would get you fired from jobs, shunned by society, and get you on law enforcement electronic monitors for life. This expression also happens to have very important and critical truth in it. A bar is maybe 30 drunk people, half of whom will not remember what you said the following day. The internet is an audience of millions with a very long memory.
The fact that the word 'troll' is hurled by people at positions they don't agree with so much nowadays, I'm not sure many even know what the word originally meant. To troll is to deliberately set out to piss someone off. Not every disagreeable statement seen on the net is a troll, but that's how such things are treated now, by anyone with moderative power who has a thin skin and an axe to grind on the current topic.
Maybe if those thousands of people were bred skinless and spineless by a society that stamps out any non politically correct speech no matter how truthful it may be. These shielded and overprotected sorts are the kinds who go to extremes over spilled milk when they finally have to face their first real conflicts in life, like shoot up schools, fly planes into buildings...or more likely, just stir up shit over nothing on the internet (eg anita sarkesian, adria richards, encyclopedia dramatica is loaded with examples of these 'an heroes'). Perhaps this oversensitivity is what should be fixed. Since conforming everyone to the PC narrative creates bottled rage, maybe culture should grow a thicker skin, so that the dirty laundry can be aired and sorted for truth instead. This is much more democratic than your fascist/socialist nightmare you've pushed for here.
There's no fucking way a few trolls can "ruin a forum for thousands." That's bullshit. Trolls have power over you only if you let them. Most people evolve the ability to screen things by the time they're 8 or 9.. Perhaps you haven't? For those of us who grew up with the unfiltered net, astroturfing is old hat. It's pretty easy to spot. In the old days, we depended on journalists to see through stuff like this, and a few at least had the integrity to strive for objectivity. Since we cannot trust the modern media to do narrative-less reporting anymore, as it's become part of the problem, it's time individuals learned to do it themselves. We don't 'have' to moderate anything except what we as individuals choose to partake in.
The trouble is that outlandish ideas tend to come from outlandish people. Good luck separating the two. The moment limits are placed on these people, limits are also placed on expression. It becomes a war of subjectivity, where the most powerful end up being the lucky ones who get to decide the boundaries on what everyone else can say (or think for that matter, limited only by technology). This is the difference between freedom and tyranny. Fuck that. People who want this should move to china, sweden, north korea, or some hellhole like that. Their 'utopias' already exist, so I wish they'd just move there and quit fucking up what's left of my liberties here in the states.
Agreed. They must also be sure to dress like hipsters, hang out at starbucks, and make fallacious appeals of professionalism on the internet. Everyone else is uneducated. blue collar trash.
I mention service because that's what is always brought up to justify not-always-needed expenditures.
Sure, theoretically, but not within the lifetime of the system (again, assuming it was configured correctly). The fact is you're already exposed. The difference in magnitude may seem large, but the probabilities are so tiny it does not matter. If these probabilities do matter to your workload, you're not depending on a single workstation because you've got a farm of machines correlating each others' calculations to ensure integrity. The xeons are binned no differently than the core i7 parts. Same with the 'pro' grade video chips, except that the drivers detect which mode the chip operates under (usually set via straps on the board), and cripple/uncripple themselves accordingly. Sadly, even when buying the pro boards, it's still cheaper to self-build, and still get slightly faster performance without any overclocking whatsoever. That mac pro case compromises performance for size.
Well that's good, but what happens when you've got no where else to turn? When you have to accept the possibility of getting fucked, and the probability that getting the vendor to do the right thing is more frustrating and time consuming than just ordering the new video board from an etailer and installing it yourself?
Well, in my experience, for my workloads, which the mac pro is targeted at, I've never had issues with my home builds, but I don't do a half assed job either. Moderately overclocked, they run cool and quiet, well within the temp ranges defined by the mfg, even while under load. If intel cared that much about being conservative with thermals, they wouldn't dare ship their xeons with the heatsinks they do.
What are you implying? That wealth encourages ignorance? Well, I can't argue with that. It's not always necessary to buy the overpriced, underperforming ECC enabled xeon workstation, esp in a formfactor that necessitates further reductions in performance. A professional shouldn't have trouble doing basic maintenance on equipment he depends on, esp when it would shorten the down time from weeks to hours. The mac pro is targeted at the freelancer or smallish media production company. This is where self-builds work quite well. Their workloads are not 'that' different from the high end gamer set.
The value of a vendor? Like what? Long turn arounds? White listed BIOS peripheral lists that drive up upgrade costs? Overpriced service plans? Constant arguments with service phone jockeys over what's wrong and whether it's covered? I agree apple's service isn't terrible when compared with others, but it's still a lot worse than just doing it yourself and getting it over with. The sooner I'm back to work, the happier I am.
You sound like one of those 'professional' people who think they know everything about the hardware they use, but really don't, and cover it up by spending wads of cash they don't necessarily need to for appearances sake.
It comes at a cost of stability. You may argue that you can build an overclocked system that is rock solid...but by nature, an overclocked system is never as stable as one that is not. If it were, they would sell the processor at that speed!
Not necessarily. There's much more demand for the lower clock models than there are chips that will only run at those speeds. It boils down to temperature, so a properly setup cooling configuration will keep them reliable. In my experience, those higher failure rates are theoretical, and well beyond the useful life of the chip. The chip you got won't do your target clock speed? Fine, knock it back 100 mhz. It's not going to be that much different. The only people who care about that are the benchmark warriors.
If you're working with data where absolute integrity is critical, you're not some guy in a company dept doing media work, or a freelancing musician who needs a DAW, which are what the mac pro is targeted at. You'll have multiple (probably a farm) machines corroborating each other to ensure (to some high percentage anyway) integrity.
The hours lost? Minimum turnaround time for applecare is something like two weeks. Maybe if you pay $800 on top of that 10 grand for the professional service, it is shorter, but a casual glance at their site gives no details on that. It's not like this machine grants special powers with apple tech support or with the laws of physics. Minimum turnaround time for a self-build is 1 day for overnight delivery, or the time it takes to get to the nearest box store and back. Is it time consuming? of course, but not as much as two weeks. Self-builds take advantage of the ubiquity of standard formfactor components and some simple diagnostic skills.
Right, if they let you do the swap yourself. Generally, vendors want you to ship the whole machine to them for evaluation. Occasionally I've been able to convince them to send me the part so I can do it myself and save the time, but it's rare, esp if it's a warranty claim.
Well, you could, but not easily in that form factor.. I never said it wasn't a trade off. The box will be bigger. It belongs under your desk anyway, not on top of it. Why pay extra for that weird form factor that works against performance? This isn't a compromise for portability like it would be for a laptop.
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Hm ok. That's why I chose linux for desktop use, as it's the focus of most of the OSS desktop projects.
I thought those vulnerabilities were vectors because IE6 ran with escalated privileges..
Is OpenBSD really suitable for typical desktop uses? Does it perform well?
What kind of OS is that?
An OS ready for the radiant fascist/socialist future where the user has no control over the computer driven devices he supposedly owns.
get your head out of the sand and look at the horizon for once..
..and why is that?
Welcome to the radiant socialist future, comrade.. Hold the correct opinion and no harm will come to you.
..or that the commentators are pointing out the passive-aggressive vitriol in the article itself, and the authors can't handle the heat, or are profiting from holding specific views.
It's not a demand for anything. This is discussion of a particular analysis of the change.
Anonymity is the ability to state unpopular truth without self destruction. Anonymity ensures this legal responsibility. Anonymity is the mother of liberty.
which?
That's fine as long as you are willing to stop posting. The problem is that the culture is choosing to censor itself when unpleasant truth crops up. We're all affected by that kind of damage whether we choose to stop posting or not.
Why would any culture that claims to value freedom and liberty want to be like china?
it's a reasonable assumption given human psychology and the last 20 years of internet history, and really, the last 5000 years of world history..
There's a whole range of expression that would get you fired from jobs, shunned by society, and get you on law enforcement electronic monitors for life. This expression also happens to have very important and critical truth in it. A bar is maybe 30 drunk people, half of whom will not remember what you said the following day. The internet is an audience of millions with a very long memory.
The fact that the word 'troll' is hurled by people at positions they don't agree with so much nowadays, I'm not sure many even know what the word originally meant. To troll is to deliberately set out to piss someone off. Not every disagreeable statement seen on the net is a troll, but that's how such things are treated now, by anyone with moderative power who has a thin skin and an axe to grind on the current topic.
Maybe if those thousands of people were bred skinless and spineless by a society that stamps out any non politically correct speech no matter how truthful it may be. These shielded and overprotected sorts are the kinds who go to extremes over spilled milk when they finally have to face their first real conflicts in life, like shoot up schools, fly planes into buildings...or more likely, just stir up shit over nothing on the internet (eg anita sarkesian, adria richards, encyclopedia dramatica is loaded with examples of these 'an heroes'). Perhaps this oversensitivity is what should be fixed. Since conforming everyone to the PC narrative creates bottled rage, maybe culture should grow a thicker skin, so that the dirty laundry can be aired and sorted for truth instead. This is much more democratic than your fascist/socialist nightmare you've pushed for here.
There's no fucking way a few trolls can "ruin a forum for thousands." That's bullshit. Trolls have power over you only if you let them. Most people evolve the ability to screen things by the time they're 8 or 9.. Perhaps you haven't? For those of us who grew up with the unfiltered net, astroturfing is old hat. It's pretty easy to spot. In the old days, we depended on journalists to see through stuff like this, and a few at least had the integrity to strive for objectivity. Since we cannot trust the modern media to do narrative-less reporting anymore, as it's become part of the problem, it's time individuals learned to do it themselves. We don't 'have' to moderate anything except what we as individuals choose to partake in.
The trouble is that outlandish ideas tend to come from outlandish people. Good luck separating the two. The moment limits are placed on these people, limits are also placed on expression. It becomes a war of subjectivity, where the most powerful end up being the lucky ones who get to decide the boundaries on what everyone else can say (or think for that matter, limited only by technology). This is the difference between freedom and tyranny. Fuck that. People who want this should move to china, sweden, north korea, or some hellhole like that. Their 'utopias' already exist, so I wish they'd just move there and quit fucking up what's left of my liberties here in the states.
You can bet that some day there will be. The fortune 100 get all kinds of benefits not available to mere citizens.
Agreed. They must also be sure to dress like hipsters, hang out at starbucks, and make fallacious appeals of professionalism on the internet. Everyone else is uneducated. blue collar trash.
I mention service because that's what is always brought up to justify not-always-needed expenditures.
Sure, theoretically, but not within the lifetime of the system (again, assuming it was configured correctly). The fact is you're already exposed. The difference in magnitude may seem large, but the probabilities are so tiny it does not matter. If these probabilities do matter to your workload, you're not depending on a single workstation because you've got a farm of machines correlating each others' calculations to ensure integrity. The xeons are binned no differently than the core i7 parts. Same with the 'pro' grade video chips, except that the drivers detect which mode the chip operates under (usually set via straps on the board), and cripple/uncripple themselves accordingly. Sadly, even when buying the pro boards, it's still cheaper to self-build, and still get slightly faster performance without any overclocking whatsoever. That mac pro case compromises performance for size.
Well that's good, but what happens when you've got no where else to turn? When you have to accept the possibility of getting fucked, and the probability that getting the vendor to do the right thing is more frustrating and time consuming than just ordering the new video board from an etailer and installing it yourself?
Well, in my experience, for my workloads, which the mac pro is targeted at, I've never had issues with my home builds, but I don't do a half assed job either. Moderately overclocked, they run cool and quiet, well within the temp ranges defined by the mfg, even while under load. If intel cared that much about being conservative with thermals, they wouldn't dare ship their xeons with the heatsinks they do.
What are you implying? That wealth encourages ignorance? Well, I can't argue with that. It's not always necessary to buy the overpriced, underperforming ECC enabled xeon workstation, esp in a formfactor that necessitates further reductions in performance. A professional shouldn't have trouble doing basic maintenance on equipment he depends on, esp when it would shorten the down time from weeks to hours. The mac pro is targeted at the freelancer or smallish media production company. This is where self-builds work quite well. Their workloads are not 'that' different from the high end gamer set.
The value of a vendor? Like what? Long turn arounds? White listed BIOS peripheral lists that drive up upgrade costs? Overpriced service plans? Constant arguments with service phone jockeys over what's wrong and whether it's covered? I agree apple's service isn't terrible when compared with others, but it's still a lot worse than just doing it yourself and getting it over with. The sooner I'm back to work, the happier I am.
You won't need the second xeon. It's obvious you're not paying attention.
You sound like one of those 'professional' people who think they know everything about the hardware they use, but really don't, and cover it up by spending wads of cash they don't necessarily need to for appearances sake.
See? I can stereotype too.
It comes at a cost of stability. You may argue that you can build an overclocked system that is rock solid...but by nature, an overclocked system is never as stable as one that is not. If it were, they would sell the processor at that speed!
Not necessarily. There's much more demand for the lower clock models than there are chips that will only run at those speeds. It boils down to temperature, so a properly setup cooling configuration will keep them reliable. In my experience, those higher failure rates are theoretical, and well beyond the useful life of the chip. The chip you got won't do your target clock speed? Fine, knock it back 100 mhz. It's not going to be that much different. The only people who care about that are the benchmark warriors.
If you're working with data where absolute integrity is critical, you're not some guy in a company dept doing media work, or a freelancing musician who needs a DAW, which are what the mac pro is targeted at. You'll have multiple (probably a farm) machines corroborating each other to ensure (to some high percentage anyway) integrity.
The hours lost? Minimum turnaround time for applecare is something like two weeks. Maybe if you pay $800 on top of that 10 grand for the professional service, it is shorter, but a casual glance at their site gives no details on that. It's not like this machine grants special powers with apple tech support or with the laws of physics. Minimum turnaround time for a self-build is 1 day for overnight delivery, or the time it takes to get to the nearest box store and back. Is it time consuming? of course, but not as much as two weeks. Self-builds take advantage of the ubiquity of standard formfactor components and some simple diagnostic skills.
Right, if they let you do the swap yourself. Generally, vendors want you to ship the whole machine to them for evaluation. Occasionally I've been able to convince them to send me the part so I can do it myself and save the time, but it's rare, esp if it's a warranty claim.
Well, you could, but not easily in that form factor.. I never said it wasn't a trade off. The box will be bigger. It belongs under your desk anyway, not on top of it. Why pay extra for that weird form factor that works against performance? This isn't a compromise for portability like it would be for a laptop.