why are so many people demanding we throw away perfectly good hardware that can run the software, yet are locked out by the OEM? if a dell pulled this, people here would be bitching, but since it's apple, they get a free pass?
true, they are ad hominems, but what someone calls 'racism and bigotry' may or may not actually be.. those words are often misused by people who want to silence legitimate critique.
And it's not just the astroturfers. If you go to the comments section of some big metropolitan papers you might come away with the mistaken impression that our country is filled with the worst sort of hateful racists, bigots and sexists.
it's likely you're exposing your own bias because it is unlikely all the comments are like that.. It is much more likely that your own political views prevent you from tolerating any legitimate reasoning on their parts.
No. They have been peer-reviewed by very high standards of scientific research. Just because you don't like the results does not make them suspect. You only reveal YOUR bias.
oh I'm sure. Aren't they all. The 'scientists' who run studies like this are too often tainted with politics that taint results. I don't care what the studied issue is. Just because you like their results does not make them true either. Your emotional defense via ad hominem reveals your bias.
And your statements are based on nothing but your ignorant prejudices. Try some facts next time.
So you boil your assumptions down to argument from authorities with a vested interest in certain outcomes of its studies?
Of course not. What I responded to could be misogyny-as-a-joke, but it was certainly misogyny.
Says who? feminists and their institutionalized supporters? It is not misogyny unless 'flyneye' hates women. It is possible to tell jokes or state criticisms of women (and other groups) without hating them. We do it with white straight males all the time, right? For some reason, this is really hard for people to grasp nowadays. It's become nearly impossible to criticize the performance of anyone in these protected classes without being accused of 'hate.' This isn't good for society.
Of course that's not hate. But what's that got to do with this topic?
A point meant to show how the situation is not as simple as the political correctness police want us all to think.
how about asking yourself which ones are overserved for the sake of reliable voter blocks? you know, like how the republicans play the religious right every cycle?
this is true, especially once kids hit their teens.. however, they still do pick up cues from their parents' relations that affect their own relations/psychological cues gender-wise later.
Think it's a bit more complicated than that..how children learn to relate to the opposing gender has a lot to do with how mom and dad interact, in both high brow and low brow areas.
A. reputable by whose standards? when it comes to issues like this, they're almost all guilty of selection bias.
B. you're welcome to assume whatever you like.. just like you're doing with this issue. it doesn't mean it's correct.
being gay is as natural a part of human nature as red hair or left-handedness.
perhaps it is, but that doesn't justify political protections that cross the line into entitlements. A lot of left wing groups have these, and it discriminates against those who are not in these groups. in the case of marriage, the state really shouldn't be involved. if it wasn't, gay marriage would be a non issue.
I for one take comfort from the fact that Michelangelo, Isaac Newton, Alan Turing and countless other giants on whose shoulder we now stand would have a safe, affirming environment in which to work, rather than being forced to conceal, to hide their nature, even to be punished -effectively murdered- by the state simply for being the way God made them.
when is society going to get over this? life isn't about 'affirmation' or 'discrimination' of peoples' feelings. it's about being truthful in the first place, and building societal structures that ensure the truth comes out regardless of feelings. Whether it's a scientist burned as a warlock for 'heretical' statements or the censorious treatment of someone questioning the idea of kids raised by two gay dads, it's the the same problem. the components of the truth supporting the politics are trumpeted while the parts that don't are repressed. We have to get over this.
Now that I'm done with my rational argument, allow me to close with a sincere, heartfelt, Fuck You to you and to all neanderthals who love nothing more than to single out scapegoats and punish them for their own inadequacies.
it's too bad the feds don't protect with equal vigor the groups who do not have large political lobbies backing them...thus the feds become part of the problem.
having a sexually normal and healthy male and female psyche in the house is critical for raising healthy offspring.. gays cannot adequately provide that, especially for male children. today, they are assaulted with messages from culture saying not only that it's ok to be feminine, but that run right up to the edge of 'you should want this/repress your masculinity.' growing up with two gay dads would make this identity issue worse, especially if the kid is biologically straight.
criticism isn't automatic 'hate'speech, no matter what liberals do to censor criticism of their dogmatism. in these cases, comments like yours should be modded down.
They don't have the same benefits everywhere, even in the U.S. And that's what the fight is over. Views are changing rapidly here, and at various paces around the world. But it's inevitable that your view will one day be as unacceptable as white-only lunch counters.
to this day, if you grab 50 people from one race and 50 from another, then release them into a room full of tables, they'll sort themselves out by race, even if they're otherwise accepting people. It's a preference for most people. it is not 'hate.'
older doesn't automatically mean worse, and more features aren't always a problem.. if anything, these days, software is getting far too simple to be truly useful for all but the most troglodytic mouth breathers.
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if the hardware simply can't, that's one thing.. if it's arbitrarily locked out, that's another.
ARTIFICIAL_LOCKOUT != FUNCTIONAL_LIMITATION
why are so many people demanding we throw away perfectly good hardware that can run the software, yet are locked out by the OEM? if a dell pulled this, people here would be bitching, but since it's apple, they get a free pass?
argument from antiquity.. there's no reason the machine can't run the new os. it's artificially restricted.
it's artificial and not due to hardware limitations. this is different than expecting not existent functionality.
says who? there's no reason for this arbitrary lockout.. the gpus can handle it. apple is just choosing not to ship the driver. it's assinine.
oh no.. real life! it offends me! ban it, we have to ban it!! I have a right to not be offended!
yeah proprietary vendors are so much more stable..
developers developers developers developers! developers developers developers developers! DEVELOP.....
*chairs are thrown*
true, they are ad hominems, but what someone calls 'racism and bigotry' may or may not actually be.. those words are often misused by people who want to silence legitimate critique.
the huffington post is no different. it's just leftwing instead....
Although HuffPo is not as inflammatory as Drudge...
yeah it is..both are fine examples of political trolling at its worst.
And it's not just the astroturfers. If you go to the comments section of some big metropolitan papers you might come away with the mistaken impression that our country is filled with the worst sort of hateful racists, bigots and sexists.
it's likely you're exposing your own bias because it is unlikely all the comments are like that.. It is much more likely that your own political views prevent you from tolerating any legitimate reasoning on their parts.
No. They have been peer-reviewed by very high standards of scientific research. Just because you don't like the results does not make them suspect. You only reveal YOUR bias.
oh I'm sure. Aren't they all. The 'scientists' who run studies like this are too often tainted with politics that taint results. I don't care what the studied issue is. Just because you like their results does not make them true either. Your emotional defense via ad hominem reveals your bias.
And your statements are based on nothing but your ignorant prejudices. Try some facts next time.
So you boil your assumptions down to argument from authorities with a vested interest in certain outcomes of its studies?
Of course not. What I responded to could be misogyny-as-a-joke, but it was certainly misogyny.
Says who? feminists and their institutionalized supporters? It is not misogyny unless 'flyneye' hates women. It is possible to tell jokes or state criticisms of women (and other groups) without hating them. We do it with white straight males all the time, right? For some reason, this is really hard for people to grasp nowadays. It's become nearly impossible to criticize the performance of anyone in these protected classes without being accused of 'hate.' This isn't good for society.
Of course that's not hate. But what's that got to do with this topic?
A point meant to show how the situation is not as simple as the political correctness police want us all to think.
how about asking yourself which ones are overserved for the sake of reliable voter blocks? you know, like how the republicans play the religious right every cycle?
this is true, especially once kids hit their teens.. however, they still do pick up cues from their parents' relations that affect their own relations/psychological cues gender-wise later.
I never said this.
Think it's a bit more complicated than that..how children learn to relate to the opposing gender has a lot to do with how mom and dad interact, in both high brow and low brow areas.
A. reputable by whose standards? when it comes to issues like this, they're almost all guilty of selection bias.
B. you're welcome to assume whatever you like.. just like you're doing with this issue. it doesn't mean it's correct.
being gay is as natural a part of human nature as red hair or left-handedness.
perhaps it is, but that doesn't justify political protections that cross the line into entitlements. A lot of left wing groups have these, and it discriminates against those who are not in these groups. in the case of marriage, the state really shouldn't be involved. if it wasn't, gay marriage would be a non issue.
I for one take comfort from the fact that Michelangelo, Isaac Newton, Alan Turing and countless other giants on whose shoulder we now stand would have a safe, affirming environment in which to work, rather than being forced to conceal, to hide their nature, even to be punished -effectively murdered- by the state simply for being the way God made them.
when is society going to get over this? life isn't about 'affirmation' or 'discrimination' of peoples' feelings. it's about being truthful in the first place, and building societal structures that ensure the truth comes out regardless of feelings. Whether it's a scientist burned as a warlock for 'heretical' statements or the censorious treatment of someone questioning the idea of kids raised by two gay dads, it's the the same problem. the components of the truth supporting the politics are trumpeted while the parts that don't are repressed. We have to get over this.
Now that I'm done with my rational argument, allow me to close with a sincere, heartfelt, Fuck You to you and to all neanderthals who love nothing more than to single out scapegoats and punish them for their own inadequacies.
ad hominem doesn't help your argument.
it's too bad the feds don't protect with equal vigor the groups who do not have large political lobbies backing them...thus the feds become part of the problem.
the government's already giving preferential treatment to non whites and women, so there's plenty of precedent..
having a sexually normal and healthy male and female psyche in the house is critical for raising healthy offspring.. gays cannot adequately provide that, especially for male children. today, they are assaulted with messages from culture saying not only that it's ok to be feminine, but that run right up to the edge of 'you should want this/repress your masculinity.' growing up with two gay dads would make this identity issue worse, especially if the kid is biologically straight.
Misogyny should be rated Troll or Flamebait.
criticism isn't automatic 'hate'speech, no matter what liberals do to censor criticism of their dogmatism. in these cases, comments like yours should be modded down.
They don't have the same benefits everywhere, even in the U.S. And that's what the fight is over. Views are changing rapidly here, and at various paces around the world. But it's inevitable that your view will one day be as unacceptable as white-only lunch counters.
to this day, if you grab 50 people from one race and 50 from another, then release them into a room full of tables, they'll sort themselves out by race, even if they're otherwise accepting people. It's a preference for most people. it is not 'hate.'
older doesn't automatically mean worse, and more features aren't always a problem.. if anything, these days, software is getting far too simple to be truly useful for all but the most troglodytic mouth breathers.
soo.. we should listen to californian politicians instead? or new york? or....
by your stated standard, ALL of them are failures.