Does it make you feel all yucky inside if they use business terms? Grow up for god's sake. They're using "market" to mean the segment of the world's population that will potentially use Linux 2.4. "Market" is just an a phrase that saves you the air and allows distro makers and commercial users, who DO think in business terms, to quickly understand what they're talking about.
You asked me to name apps that need the power and I did;) If you're a 3D developer, 1GHz is really useful. As for the games, yea, they'll run pretty well at 500Mhz, but for optimum playability, you need at least 800MHz with a GF2 (which is actually quite affordable if you're upgrading, especially for Athlons.) It just depends on what you use.
Umm, performance is linier to clockspeed. You can underclock a 1.2Ghz Athlon to 200Mhz and it will function exactly like a 200Mhz Athlon is supposed to. And P4 WAS designed with 5GHz speeds in mind. If.18micron takes P4 up to 2Ghz, then 4-5GHz should be quite possible with.13micron.
Heavy Metal FAKK 2.
3D Studio MAX.
Maya.
Photoshop 6.
MDK2.
Halo (up and coming)
Deus Ex
Quake III + Unreal Tournament (for maximum enjoyment)
Black & White
Why does everyone assume that everyone runs the same thing? Run whatever suits you. If you crunch code all day long, then a lot of RAM and an older proc is probably ideal. If you run spreadsheets and productivity, then a fast harddrive and an older proc is great. If you're like me and need programming, 3D modling, and gaming, then getting the fastest proc (maybe a bin or two down, 1.1GHz instead of 1.2 since 1.1 is very fairly priced) and a fast harddrive with a lot of RAM is really the only option.
Actually, 3D modeling is entirely processor limited. It is fairly light on the memory bandwidth, and final rendering doesn't use the graphics proc (anyway, 3D modling tends to use geometry *MUCH* more than games do. If you ever look at Pro level OpenGL accelerators, their fill-rate sucks, their geometry engines.) Also, P4 will bust out some serious bandwidth. I don't know how P4 will do on server apps given the pipeline, but for 3D and media processing (which tend to have few branches to miss) will absolutely SCREAM on a P4.
WRONG! There is NOT a "lot of software that goes like that..." In fact, the only reason you'd buy a PIII to run content creation apps is because Photoshop has SSE and Athlon doesn't. 3D Studio DOES run on Athlons, according to AMD's press release:
"AMD Athlon processor outperform comparably configured Pentium III processor-based systems on a long list
of high-end commercial, workstation... These cutting-edge applications include Adobe's Photoshop 5.0 and PhotoDeluxe 3.0, Autodesk's AutoCAD 2000 and 3D Studio MAX, Dragon Systems' Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition software, Microsoft's Windows Media Encoder, Ligos' LSX-MPEG Encoder, LizardTech's MrSID Publisher for image compression, Geometrix's 3Scan 3D modeling software, and id Software's Quake II." ( here )
And when are SMP-ites like you going to realize that the only way people will shift to RISC, non-silicon, or SMP is when CISC, silicon, and uni-proc ABSOLUTELY CANNOT WORK ANOTHER DAY. Every time pundits say, "oh, silicon is dead," or "oh, everybody's going to go SMP," or "x86 cannot go on," some clever dude figures out a way to keep with the status quo (x86-64). So I think you'll be surprised than in the year 2010, we'll using 70GHz non-smp.01 micron silcon Pentium VI's.
Um, NVIDIA is a relativly small company but you'd never know it from their release dates. They don't own any manufacturing capability, they only became a player in the last two years or so (after the TNT). ATI still sells more chips than them. Microsoft only releases its products every two or three years. Office has gone through 3 releases in 5 years (95,97,2000) NT4 took more than three years to get to 2000, and in the last 7 years, MS has only shipped 3 releases of Visual Studio (4.x, 5.x, 6.0) They don't release often at all. Your comment has some merit, but your totally of base on why MS brings out inferior products. MS pumps out crap because there is nobody to challenge them. Notice how after Linux came out, Win2K came together startlingly well. Aside from Microsoft, there are only a few companies that use their monopolies to turn out crappy product. ATI for example. Intel in general DOESN'T turn out crappy products. I have no idea why people have a beef with Intel, because in general their products kick ass. I think the major reason you've been seeing problems out of Intel lately is because their in an unusual position. They are not used to being in the position where their solutions aren't the fastest. Remember, Intel might be a monopoly, but only because they had industry leading performance. They don't anymore and I think they're stumbling in trying to adjust to the role of not having the freedom to decide their own release cycles.
You can do 2D with OpenGL quite well. In fact, a good OpenGL 2D engine can include a lot of nifty effects that are quite difficult/slow to do normally (transparency, lighting) In fact, a lot of Playstation 2D games are really 3D games with a fixed viewpoint. (according to LaMothe.)
Is it just me, or is MS releasing AOL 5.0? Take a look at this screenshot and decide for yourself.
Did anyone notice that GUIs are getting flatter everyday (kinda like models.) Back during the Motif days you had these huge, thick window panes and these massivly raised buttons. Then you got into Win9x/NT4/2K with its more delicate features, and now you can barely see the raised effects in in Whistler.
PS> Since nobody uses AOL, I'll just tell you. The Control Panel art-style is awefully similar to the style of the AOL icons.
MDI has several problems. The most glaring being that it is incredibly hard to switch from one doc to the other. (More visual people have problems going to a menu to switch documents.) On the other hand, you have SDI gone arwy, like in BeOS. If you do some heavy development in BeIDE, you'll drive yourself nuts trying to keep everything organized. So MDI has its place, but usually that place is in a dark, wet corner somewhere.
Well, depends on the user. A lot of people just don't need multi-user. I, for example, do a lot of programming and I'm perfectly happy in BeOS. It offers me a lot more than Linux (I have access to most of the UNIX CLI tools and the nice BeOS API) and I can boot into Win2K when I need to use 3D Studio. Of course, it all depends on what you need to do. If you're just web-browsing and word-processing, then BeOS gives you the stability of a *NIX, without needing to be admined. If you need to do 3D rendering, then nothing other than Win2K (or NT) is going to satisfy you. If you need to run a server or need to do X development, then you probably have to run a *NIX. I'm just saying to use whatever feels right. However, don't be blind to the fact that BeOS can do a lot more than most people give it credit for.
I'm not saying that "just because an OS [you] choose to use comes out late to, does not mean [you] cannot comment on latency of delivery." I'm saying that you use Linux, and most likely agree with Linus's idea that "it's done when it's done." The same thing with BeOS. It will be released when it is finished. (If, however, you don't agree with that concept, then I can understand you being angry at Be.)
PS> Linux 2.4.0-testX exists as does BeOS beta OpenGL and beta BONE. Betips.net is running BONE, LCI runs BONE, and somebody at BeNews has a beta copy of OpenGL. Just because one is a open beta and the other is a closed beta doesn't mean that one has any more chance of release than the other.
PS2> Sorry if I sound inflamatory, but I get so many random "BeOS SUCKZ, GL will never come out, the IA thing killed Be!" comments without any justification that it is kind of hard to filter things. For my defense, all of your comments WERE said without justification. Its not my job to read your real feelings about topics. Make sure your posts accurately reflect what you want to come of as. In this case you came of as one of the 10 zillion BeOS-hating Slashdot trolls.
A) I'd like to see how Linux3D's benchmarks were done. The truth is that these benchmarks are just those of a news site given permission to release tests on their beta copy. I don't ask you to give them any more weight than I do the benchmarks published by Linux websites.
B) The ETA is when it's done. As a Linux user, you have no right to comment on anything being late. As I remember, kernel 2.4 was supposed to be out months ago. Wasn't it declared "perfect" in July?
C) BeOS is far from dead. I don't see Compaq using Linux in any of their IAs!
What do cruft-encased UNIX old-timers get from preaching function over form? Does it make you feel 'leet? Humans are visual creatures. They appreciate things that look nice. Cars, magazines, furniture, people of the opposite gender (a bow to P.C;) computer cases, everything! Form should not take precedence over function, but form shouldn't be left out entirely either. If you leave out form, then you're blind. If you leave out function, you're an iMac. If you do both, then you are one of a rare breed of competent designers.
No its not. I vote that all the users with decent hardware pissed at all the users with old hardware fork the kernel, X, and KDE and start a distro meant only for those who have the sense not to use 5 year old vidcards.
Matrox Millenium G200 8MB: $30 +4s/h on pricewatch.
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If your TV card has ATI anywhere in the name, you deserve instability for buying an ATI product.
Does it make you feel all yucky inside if they use business terms? Grow up for god's sake. They're using "market" to mean the segment of the world's population that will potentially use Linux 2.4. "Market" is just an a phrase that saves you the air and allows distro makers and commercial users, who DO think in business terms, to quickly understand what they're talking about.
You asked me to name apps that need the power and I did ;) If you're a 3D developer, 1GHz is really useful. As for the games, yea, they'll run pretty well at 500Mhz, but for optimum playability, you need at least 800MHz with a GF2 (which is actually quite affordable if you're upgrading, especially for Athlons.) It just depends on what you use.
Umm, performance is linier to clockspeed. You can underclock a 1.2Ghz Athlon to 200Mhz and it will function exactly like a 200Mhz Athlon is supposed to. And P4 WAS designed with 5GHz speeds in mind. If .18micron takes P4 up to 2Ghz, then 4-5GHz should be quite possible with .13micron.
Heavy Metal FAKK 2.
3D Studio MAX.
Maya.
Photoshop 6.
MDK2.
Halo (up and coming)
Deus Ex
Quake III + Unreal Tournament (for maximum enjoyment)
Black & White
Hmm, did I just mention all the cool new games?
Why does everyone assume that everyone runs the same thing? Run whatever suits you. If you crunch code all day long, then a lot of RAM and an older proc is probably ideal. If you run spreadsheets and productivity, then a fast harddrive and an older proc is great. If you're like me and need programming, 3D modling, and gaming, then getting the fastest proc (maybe a bin or two down, 1.1GHz instead of 1.2 since 1.1 is very fairly priced) and a fast harddrive with a lot of RAM is really the only option.
Actually, 3D modeling is entirely processor limited. It is fairly light on the memory bandwidth, and final rendering doesn't use the graphics proc (anyway, 3D modling tends to use geometry *MUCH* more than games do. If you ever look at Pro level OpenGL accelerators, their fill-rate sucks, their geometry engines.) Also, P4 will bust out some serious bandwidth. I don't know how P4 will do on server apps given the pipeline, but for 3D and media processing (which tend to have few branches to miss) will absolutely SCREAM on a P4.
WRONG! There is NOT a "lot of software that goes like that..." In fact, the only reason you'd buy a PIII to run content creation apps is because Photoshop has SSE and Athlon doesn't. 3D Studio DOES run on Athlons, according to AMD's press release:
... These cutting-edge applications include Adobe's Photoshop 5.0 and PhotoDeluxe 3.0, Autodesk's AutoCAD 2000 and 3D Studio MAX, Dragon Systems' Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition software, Microsoft's Windows Media Encoder, Ligos' LSX-MPEG Encoder, LizardTech's MrSID Publisher for image compression, Geometrix's 3Scan 3D modeling software, and id Software's Quake II."
"AMD Athlon processor outperform comparably configured Pentium III processor-based systems on a long list of high-end commercial, workstation
( here )
Athlon and Duron are gay names. I liked K7 and K7-Consumer better. More dignified and all that. (I would have settled for SpitFire too, but Duron?)
And when are SMP-ites like you going to realize that the only way people will shift to RISC, non-silicon, or SMP is when CISC, silicon, and uni-proc ABSOLUTELY CANNOT WORK ANOTHER DAY. Every time pundits say, "oh, silicon is dead," or "oh, everybody's going to go SMP," or "x86 cannot go on," some clever dude figures out a way to keep with the status quo (x86-64). So I think you'll be surprised than in the year 2010, we'll using 70GHz non-smp .01 micron silcon Pentium VI's.
Um, NVIDIA is a relativly small company but you'd never know it from their release dates. They don't own any manufacturing capability, they only became a player in the last two years or so (after the TNT). ATI still sells more chips than them. Microsoft only releases its products every two or three years. Office has gone through 3 releases in 5 years (95,97,2000) NT4 took more than three years to get to 2000, and in the last 7 years, MS has only shipped 3 releases of Visual Studio (4.x, 5.x, 6.0) They don't release often at all. Your comment has some merit, but your totally of base on why MS brings out inferior products. MS pumps out crap because there is nobody to challenge them. Notice how after Linux came out, Win2K came together startlingly well. Aside from Microsoft, there are only a few companies that use their monopolies to turn out crappy product. ATI for example. Intel in general DOESN'T turn out crappy products. I have no idea why people have a beef with Intel, because in general their products kick ass. I think the major reason you've been seeing problems out of Intel lately is because their in an unusual position. They are not used to being in the position where their solutions aren't the fastest. Remember, Intel might be a monopoly, but only because they had industry leading performance. They don't anymore and I think they're stumbling in trying to adjust to the role of not having the freedom to decide their own release cycles.
How do you think they make money? On consoles, all content is required to be licensed. Ex. $7 of every PSX videogame purchase goes directly to Sony.
Usually TV is 512 pixels across and anywhere from 300-600 lines up and down.
HDTV depends on the spec.
480i - 640x480 pixels interlaced
480p - 640x480 pixels progressive
720p - 1280x720 pixels progressive
1080i - 1920x1080 pixels interlaced
I stole those from
this site.
You can do 2D with OpenGL quite well. In fact, a good OpenGL 2D engine can include a lot of nifty effects that are quite difficult/slow to do normally (transparency, lighting) In fact, a lot of Playstation 2D games are really 3D games with a fixed viewpoint. (according to LaMothe.)
Is it just me, or is MS releasing AOL 5.0? Take a look at this screenshot and decide for yourself.
Did anyone notice that GUIs are getting flatter everyday (kinda like models.) Back during the Motif days you had these huge, thick window panes and these massivly raised buttons. Then you got into Win9x/NT4/2K with its more delicate features, and now you can barely see the raised effects in in Whistler.
PS> Since nobody uses AOL, I'll just tell you. The Control Panel art-style is awefully similar to the style of the AOL icons.
I don't know about you, but methinks the LSB needs to grow some balls!
MDI has several problems. The most glaring being that it is incredibly hard to switch from one doc to the other. (More visual people have problems going to a menu to switch documents.) On the other hand, you have SDI gone arwy, like in BeOS. If you do some heavy development in BeIDE, you'll drive yourself nuts trying to keep everything organized. So MDI has its place, but usually that place is in a dark, wet corner somewhere.
The taskbar thing has been available on BeOS for years. Whos following who?
Mods away!
Umm, if you run at a high resolution on anything less than a Matrox card you deserve the eyestrain.
Well, depends on the user. A lot of people just don't need multi-user. I, for example, do a lot of programming and I'm perfectly happy in BeOS. It offers me a lot more than Linux (I have access to most of the UNIX CLI tools and the nice BeOS API) and I can boot into Win2K when I need to use 3D Studio. Of course, it all depends on what you need to do. If you're just web-browsing and word-processing, then BeOS gives you the stability of a *NIX, without needing to be admined. If you need to do 3D rendering, then nothing other than Win2K (or NT) is going to satisfy you. If you need to run a server or need to do X development, then you probably have to run a *NIX. I'm just saying to use whatever feels right. However, don't be blind to the fact that BeOS can do a lot more than most people give it credit for.
I'm not saying that "just because an OS [you] choose to use comes out late to, does not mean [you] cannot comment on latency of delivery." I'm saying that you use Linux, and most likely agree with Linus's idea that "it's done when it's done." The same thing with BeOS. It will be released when it is finished. (If, however, you don't agree with that concept, then I can understand you being angry at Be.)
PS> Linux 2.4.0-testX exists as does BeOS beta OpenGL and beta BONE. Betips.net is running BONE, LCI runs BONE, and somebody at BeNews has a beta copy of OpenGL. Just because one is a open beta and the other is a closed beta doesn't mean that one has any more chance of release than the other.
PS2> Sorry if I sound inflamatory, but I get so many random "BeOS SUCKZ, GL will never come out, the IA thing killed Be!" comments without any justification that it is kind of hard to filter things. For my defense, all of your comments WERE said without justification. Its not my job to read your real feelings about topics. Make sure your posts accurately reflect what you want to come of as. In this case you came of as one of the 10 zillion BeOS-hating Slashdot trolls.
Actually, I think he was drunk at the time ;)
A) I'd like to see how Linux3D's benchmarks were done. The truth is that these benchmarks are just those of a news site given permission to release tests on their beta copy. I don't ask you to give them any more weight than I do the benchmarks published by Linux websites.
B) The ETA is when it's done. As a Linux user, you have no right to comment on anything being late. As I remember, kernel 2.4 was supposed to be out months ago. Wasn't it declared "perfect" in July?
C) BeOS is far from dead. I don't see Compaq using Linux in any of their IAs!
What do cruft-encased UNIX old-timers get from preaching function over form? Does it make you feel 'leet? Humans are visual creatures. They appreciate things that look nice. Cars, magazines, furniture, people of the opposite gender (a bow to P.C ;) computer cases, everything! Form should not take precedence over function, but form shouldn't be left out entirely either. If you leave out form, then you're blind. If you leave out function, you're an iMac. If you do both, then you are one of a rare breed of competent designers.
PS> Aliased fonts also cause headaches.
No its not. I vote that all the users with decent hardware pissed at all the users with old hardware fork the kernel, X, and KDE and start a distro meant only for those who have the sense not to use 5 year old vidcards.
Matrox Millenium G200 8MB: $30 +4s/h on pricewatch.