Civil liberties have always been 'pushed back' and/or suspended during wartime. That is a necessary evil to insure the survival of the country. However, laws that do that, like PATRIOT I & II, have what is known as a 'sunset clause' built in to them so that our civil liberties revert back to pre-war status once the emergency is over.
By all means do read the actual law(s) and see for yourself that such is the case with these. I do not believe for a moment that the PATRIOT acts are permanent, nor are they intended (the road to Hell notwithstanding) for 'Gestapo-like' actions. They are simply a way to expedite the war on terrorism.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are safe and sound; however, they are not intended to be a suicide pact.
It's the ACLU that I find suspect. Their motivation in general seems to be to invoke anarchy.
Perhaps you should take remedial reading, at least you'd have a skill to make up for your total lack of social skills.
HE said he was selling it, if you had bothered to read his minimal letter. It was only a few sentences after all. He wanted to accumulate free music for a school project that was to be used as a fund raiser.
You must have been a real hit with the ladies in school, toad, have you ever had a date? With your conversation skills I'd say 'just with your mother, and she went home early.'
Try fresh air and sunshine a few days a week, it would do something for your, for lack of a better word, personality. Try a walk in the park. Talk with people, but go slow, you might get arrested otherwise. You might even develop a social skill beyond ridicule and blind hatred.
I am too old to worry about the draft. I never worried about the draft, I enlisted when I was seventeen-years-old and did a tour of duty in Vietnam with the United States Marine Corp. Now I am a computer engineer.
I am old enough and experienced enough to know what I'm talking about, how about you?
Nothing says 'coward' like the phrase, "worried about the draft," especially when there isn't one.
I've been calling him Sadly Insane from before it was on talk radio, but yes, I do listen to talk radio. I do not fear the truth either.
I also called the Libyan leader Momar Qadaffy-Duck, and there was the I-ya-toldya Assaholla. Now there's O-Sadly-Ben-Lying and other jerk names for the jerks of the world.
There was a lot of blood seeping into the ground on 9/11/01 because no one took care of business the first time the WTC was bombed, or two embasies were bombed, or the USS Cole was bombed - how much blood must seep before you come out of hiding behind (not very) clever words and offer to help stop it?
You might consider just saying 'thank-you' to the men and women who earned your liberty for you, better still why don't you put on a uniform and stand a post? (Yes, that's from "A Few Good Men," so what? It still applies.)
So you see, I did get a rifle when it was my turn; what are 'you the people' doing now that it is your turn? Besides shooting your mouth, that is?
How about: Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way?
I read a bunch of discusions, then I READ THE ARTICLE and decided that (almost?) nobody here had.
What a bunch of whinning Microsoft bashers. Does it matter that MS is NOT dropping support for OpenGL? No, this is just an opportunity to rage against the machine. All they did was drop out of a commitee (that they founded), which, under other circumstances, the whole lot of you would have been demanding they do anyway.
Read the article, not just the headlines, then try to stay focussed on the issue. It makes for a better read. Then again, it is amusing watching all the mental masterbation going on...
I'll get flamed for sure by all the "everything should be free" crowd but here goes anyway.
How is it that you don't want the various artists to get paid but you want to sell their art? Shouldn't the people who produced the art get a 'taste of the gate' or do you think we should all work for free and just pass the fruits of our labor around for others to make money off of?
Nice work when you can find it, I suppose. No wonder the courts are backlogged.
Money for nothing and chicks for free... Send me some free chicks while you're at it. Seniors only, please.
France, Germany and Russia are shying away from the military solution to Sadly Insane mainly because they would be mightily embarrassed to have us find the stuff they sold to him over the last 12 years.
I recently sent this to my local newspaper as an open letter to my community. Seeing as this discusion is a thinly veiled pretext to vent on the Iraqi situation I thought I'd just wade right into that. (I have a comment on the battery elsewhere in the discussion.) Try to enjoy.
I am of an age that when I was in high school History was still being taught, not modified to make the kids feel good. I learned about how WWII got started. I was taught about Neville Chamberlain, the English Prime Minister who went to Germany in 1939 and got Hitler's reassurance about his non-aggression policy as Germany's Army, Navy and Air Force were being tooled to be the mightiest the world had ever seen. How he came back home to England with "peace in our lifetime" on his lips on the eve of Hitler's blitzkrieg through, first Eastern, than Western Europe?
People back then all wanted peace so badly that they were willing to accept any price to maintain the illusion. Then, after Poland was overrun, France and England declared war on Germany but did nothing as the tanks rolled across the Arden. The rest of the world held its breath waiting for somebody else to stop Hitler. Then Mussolini and Tojo, seeing that the world couldn't get off its ass, just went out and started grabbing huge sections of it for themselves.
Those are the people that we should wait for to 'help' us do something about Sadly Insane? Why? Do we need to watch the French surrender yet one more time? Why should Germany care, they have been protected for so long (by US) that they just want to maintain the status quo. Surely they learned something from WWII? Like, let somebody else take care of it while they are protected.
Who then should we wait on? The United Nations is the group of spineless, hollow people who told Sadly Insane to disarm 12 years ago 'or else'. Or else what, they'd tell him to do it again, and again, while he laughs and plays 'hide the bombs' with the inspectors? Sadly insane has had more last chances than Barbra Streisand has had final concerts. Maybe it's time to leave the United Nations to whither on the vine and leave US to take care of ourselves.
We would get a lot more respect from countries like N. Korea if they saw that we mean what we say. As it is they see us as gutless and without the resolve to do anything but rattle our sabers. I wonder where they got that idea? As hard as it is for good, honest, God-fearing people to understand that there are people who see compassion and kindness as signs of weakness, there are such people. Unfortunately some of these people have come to control weapons of mass destruction and have given the world little reason to believe that they would act with restraint if given half a chance.
When should we stop these people? Everybody seems to want to wait for everybody else but doesn't want anybody else to do anything out of fear of retaliation. This is circular logic. The despots will act unilaterally and without warning while that circle of thought spins itself and US into self destruction.
We've lost face in the world's eyes during the Clinton administration. All he'd use the military for was to get his personal scandals off of the front page. We were attacked no less than four times on his watch and he did something between little and nothing about it. We lost so much respect that a small bunch of cave dwellers brought down the World Trade Towers. Cave men for God sake!
This is about more than Iraq, N. Korea and Iran combined. If we don't regain our manhood as a country then we will be the targets of every yahoo with a will to do harm. Doing harm is easy, look at what a couple of screwballs did in Oklahoma city; regaining respect is very hard. There is only one way to do that in a way that these sorts of people understand.
Think about the former Soviet Union; did anybody attack them the way that we were attacked, or as often? Any idea why? I know why: any attack would have been met with sure and sudden retribution so harsh as to make the thought of the original act unthinkable.
Now, cave men attack us with our own planes on our own turf. Maybe they thought we were all Clintonian in our lack of self respect. They are wrong about me, they are wrong about G. W. Bush and his team. I surely hope they are wrong about the majority of us, or we will get more of the same, more and more frequently until there are none of us left.
The case has been made since Sadly Insane invaded Kuwait; and then it was made again when he expelled the inspectors some four years ago. There was no backbone at the helm of State then, there seems to be now. All we accomplish while waiting any longer is for him to be more and better prepared. The sooner we get in there the sooner done and the less lives (on both sides) lost. Why wait any longer? How many more must die?
If not US, who? If not now, when?
Cave dwellers for God sake!
Now is the time. We are the people.
United we stand or divided we'll surely fall.
Sincerely, Aimé F. Watts, Jr. aimew@sprintmail.com
Yeah, yeah, yeah and blah, blah, blah...
The question was, what would you do ABOUT IRAQ?
Jack Nicholson said it best in the movie "A Few Good Men", "You live under the blanket of freedom in which I provide, and then question the way in which I provide it. I would rather you say 'Thank You,' and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post".
That's what I did in 1966, that's what I would do now.
So, what would you do ABOUT IRAQ?
Off topic indeed.
I have read much on this battery and the best idea I've seen as to its purpose is that it was used to gold -plate items to sell as solid gold.
As the technology was largely unknown, an alchemist could get very rich this way, as long as he didn't stay in one area too long.
Being used for nefarious purposes and the actual principles behind it being totally unknown is most likely why there have never been any documents (tablets?) found describing it or its use.
Of course nobody knows for sure and any gold plated items would have been unmasked long ago so that is just a theory. It does account for all the facts and it is pretty simple so I tend to believe it to be true, but we'll never know for sure, will we?
Now if they only found a light-bulb...
As to this being endangered by a war, well there have been a lot of wars in the past 2200 years and there it still is. I think there are bigger issues to determine whether or not to engage in a war than an old dead battery though. (If only they found a light bulb... )
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Civil liberties have always been 'pushed back' and/or suspended during wartime. That is a necessary evil to insure the survival of the country. However, laws that do that, like PATRIOT I & II, have what is known as a 'sunset clause' built in to them so that our civil liberties revert back to pre-war status once the emergency is over.
By all means do read the actual law(s) and see for yourself that such is the case with these. I do not believe for a moment that the PATRIOT acts are permanent, nor are they intended (the road to Hell notwithstanding) for 'Gestapo-like' actions. They are simply a way to expedite the war on terrorism.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are safe and sound; however, they are not intended to be a suicide pact.
It's the ACLU that I find suspect. Their motivation in general seems to be to invoke anarchy.
(That's all you get for $0.02)
Perhaps you should take remedial reading, at least you'd have a skill to make up for your total lack of social skills.
HE said he was selling it, if you had bothered to read his minimal letter. It was only a few sentences after all. He wanted to accumulate free music for a school project that was to be used as a fund raiser.
You must have been a real hit with the ladies in school, toad, have you ever had a date? With your conversation skills I'd say 'just with your mother, and she went home early.'
Try fresh air and sunshine a few days a week, it would do something for your, for lack of a better word, personality. Try a walk in the park. Talk with people, but go slow, you might get arrested otherwise. You might even develop a social skill beyond ridicule and blind hatred.
Get a life.
I am too old to worry about the draft. I never worried about the draft, I enlisted when I was seventeen-years-old and did a tour of duty in Vietnam with the United States Marine Corp. Now I am a computer engineer.
I am old enough and experienced enough to know what I'm talking about, how about you?
Nothing says 'coward' like the phrase, "worried about the draft," especially when there isn't one.
I've been calling him Sadly Insane from before it was on talk radio, but yes, I do listen to talk radio. I do not fear the truth either.
I also called the Libyan leader Momar Qadaffy-Duck, and there was the I-ya-toldya Assaholla. Now there's O-Sadly-Ben-Lying and other jerk names for the jerks of the world.
There was a lot of blood seeping into the ground on 9/11/01 because no one took care of business the first time the WTC was bombed, or two embasies were bombed, or the USS Cole was bombed - how much blood must seep before you come out of hiding behind (not very) clever words and offer to help stop it?
You might consider just saying 'thank-you' to the men and women who earned your liberty for you, better still why don't you put on a uniform and stand a post? (Yes, that's from "A Few Good Men," so what? It still applies.)
So you see, I did get a rifle when it was my turn; what are 'you the people' doing now that it is your turn? Besides shooting your mouth, that is?
How about: Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way?
I read a bunch of discusions, then I READ THE ARTICLE and decided that (almost?) nobody here had.
What a bunch of whinning Microsoft bashers. Does it matter that MS is NOT dropping support for OpenGL? No, this is just an opportunity to rage against the machine. All they did was drop out of a commitee (that they founded), which, under other circumstances, the whole lot of you would have been demanding they do anyway.
Read the article, not just the headlines, then try to stay focussed on the issue. It makes for a better read. Then again, it is amusing watching all the mental masterbation going on...
What's the use?
I'll get flamed for sure by all the "everything should be free" crowd but here goes anyway.
How is it that you don't want the various artists to get paid but you want to sell their art? Shouldn't the people who produced the art get a 'taste of the gate' or do you think we should all work for free and just pass the fruits of our labor around for others to make money off of?
Nice work when you can find it, I suppose. No wonder the courts are backlogged.
Money for nothing and chicks for free... Send me some free chicks while you're at it. Seniors only, please.
One more thought on this subject.
France, Germany and Russia are shying away from the military solution to Sadly Insane mainly because they would be mightily embarrassed to have us find the stuff they sold to him over the last 12 years.
Most of Europe IS with us.
I recently sent this to my local newspaper as an open letter to my community. Seeing as this discusion is a thinly veiled pretext to vent on the Iraqi situation I thought I'd just wade right into that. (I have a comment on the battery elsewhere in the discussion.) Try to enjoy.
I am of an age that when I was in high school History was still being taught, not modified to make the kids feel good. I learned about how WWII got started. I was taught about Neville Chamberlain, the English Prime Minister who went to Germany in 1939 and got Hitler's reassurance about his non-aggression policy as Germany's Army, Navy and Air Force were being tooled to be the mightiest the world had ever seen. How he came back home to England with "peace in our lifetime" on his lips on the eve of Hitler's blitzkrieg through, first Eastern, than Western Europe?
People back then all wanted peace so badly that they were willing to accept any price to maintain the illusion. Then, after Poland was overrun, France and England declared war on Germany but did nothing as the tanks rolled across the Arden. The rest of the world held its breath waiting for somebody else to stop Hitler. Then Mussolini and Tojo, seeing that the world couldn't get off its ass, just went out and started grabbing huge sections of it for themselves.
Those are the people that we should wait for to 'help' us do something about Sadly Insane? Why? Do we need to watch the French surrender yet one more time? Why should Germany care, they have been protected for so long (by US) that they just want to maintain the status quo. Surely they learned something from WWII? Like, let somebody else take care of it while they are protected.
Who then should we wait on? The United Nations is the group of spineless, hollow people who told Sadly Insane to disarm 12 years ago 'or else'. Or else what, they'd tell him to do it again, and again, while he laughs and plays 'hide the bombs' with the inspectors? Sadly insane has had more last chances than Barbra Streisand has had final concerts. Maybe it's time to leave the United Nations to whither on the vine and leave US to take care of ourselves.
We would get a lot more respect from countries like N. Korea if they saw that we mean what we say. As it is they see us as gutless and without the resolve to do anything but rattle our sabers. I wonder where they got that idea? As hard as it is for good, honest, God-fearing people to understand that there are people who see compassion and kindness as signs of weakness, there are such people. Unfortunately some of these people have come to control weapons of mass destruction and have given the world little reason to believe that they would act with restraint if given half a chance.
When should we stop these people? Everybody seems to want to wait for everybody else but doesn't want anybody else to do anything out of fear of retaliation. This is circular logic. The despots will act unilaterally and without warning while that circle of thought spins itself and US into self destruction.
We've lost face in the world's eyes during the Clinton administration. All he'd use the military for was to get his personal scandals off of the front page. We were attacked no less than four times on his watch and he did something between little and nothing about it. We lost so much respect that a small bunch of cave dwellers brought down the World Trade Towers. Cave men for God sake!
This is about more than Iraq, N. Korea and Iran combined. If we don't regain our manhood as a country then we will be the targets of every yahoo with a will to do harm. Doing harm is easy, look at what a couple of screwballs did in Oklahoma city; regaining respect is very hard. There is only one way to do that in a way that these sorts of people understand.
Think about the former Soviet Union; did anybody attack them the way that we were attacked, or as often? Any idea why? I know why: any attack would have been met with sure and sudden retribution so harsh as to make the thought of the original act unthinkable.
Now, cave men attack us with our own planes on our own turf. Maybe they thought we were all Clintonian in our lack of self respect. They are wrong about me, they are wrong about G. W. Bush and his team. I surely hope they are wrong about the majority of us, or we will get more of the same, more and more frequently until there are none of us left.
The case has been made since Sadly Insane invaded Kuwait; and then it was made again when he expelled the inspectors some four years ago. There was no backbone at the helm of State then, there seems to be now. All we accomplish while waiting any longer is for him to be more and better prepared. The sooner we get in there the sooner done and the less lives (on both sides) lost. Why wait any longer? How many more must die?
If not US, who?
If not now, when?
Cave dwellers for God sake!
Now is the time.
We are the people.
United we stand or divided we'll surely fall.
Sincerely,
Aimé F. Watts, Jr.
aimew@sprintmail.com
Yeah, yeah, yeah and blah, blah, blah... The question was, what would you do ABOUT IRAQ? Jack Nicholson said it best in the movie "A Few Good Men", "You live under the blanket of freedom in which I provide, and then question the way in which I provide it. I would rather you say 'Thank You,' and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post". That's what I did in 1966, that's what I would do now. So, what would you do ABOUT IRAQ?
Off topic indeed. I have read much on this battery and the best idea I've seen as to its purpose is that it was used to gold -plate items to sell as solid gold. As the technology was largely unknown, an alchemist could get very rich this way, as long as he didn't stay in one area too long. Being used for nefarious purposes and the actual principles behind it being totally unknown is most likely why there have never been any documents (tablets?) found describing it or its use. Of course nobody knows for sure and any gold plated items would have been unmasked long ago so that is just a theory. It does account for all the facts and it is pretty simple so I tend to believe it to be true, but we'll never know for sure, will we? Now if they only found a light-bulb... As to this being endangered by a war, well there have been a lot of wars in the past 2200 years and there it still is. I think there are bigger issues to determine whether or not to engage in a war than an old dead battery though. (If only they found a light bulb... )