What? The sh that Solaris ships with is messed up? Oh my...It's the most standard one there is. bash is what's messed up. I've done a lot of "porting" of "Unix" programs that are so totally linux centric that it's not even funny. The people who try to write scripts almost always do so by saying/bin/sh when they really want to use bash. Any commercial Unix (Solaris, IRIX, AIX, etc.) has separate sh and bash. Solaris 8+ has bash as an option:
{cdh@sunray} 10:23pm (~) > pkginfo |grep bash
system SUNWbash GNU Bourne-Again shell (bash)
{cdh@sunray} 10:23pm (~) >
It even puts it in/bin. Just use/bin/bash if you mean bash, otherwise just stick to the normal sh semantics, it makes life much easier for everybody else.
ssh shouldn't be "optional", it should always be put on. I am upset that Sun (and most other commercial Unix vendors) don't bundle ssh, but then again, we always install a different version of perl than the Solaris default one.
Finally, learn how to jumpstart your machines, there's absolutely zero need to lug a CD-ROM around (and not having a CD-ROM in the first place is not Sun's fault, but rather your employer's fault, it's definitely an option on the Ultra 1s). We just jumpstarted 20 machines this week, total time for then installs was less than 6 hours. AND we did it remotely thanks to serial consoles (which Intel boxes still can't do) which gets us to PROM level. Very nice...
We use them (SunRay) in our office. We started out with an Ultra10 to support 5 users. This was pretty slow, we have since switched to a 420 (gotta love the dot com bust:) and it works great. We all run Ximian Gnome, Mozilla, play MP3s and I abuse XEmacs and the machine is still very snappy.
The thing we learned it to have plenty of memory and CPU. We tried to go cheap and it didn't work too well. We are all Unix sysadmins yet it's nice not having to maintain different boxes, IOW, it allows us to do our "normal" jobs.
I've had major problems with i-explorer, as in not being able to change directories on the remote side. It also hangs my machine repeatedly (Win98).
I've talked to other people who have experienced this too. I had one version (about a year+ ago) work fine, but none of the new ones have worked for me.
However, I have recently found WinSCP and it works great! More configurable than i-explorer, much more intuitive UI (configurable: Windows Explorer like or Norton Command like). Freeware too. It doesn't even "install", it's just one executable, no spyware, funky registry keys, etc. Very nice.
Agreed. Personally, I don't care, however, I run Analog and ReportMagic for all of our virtual host sites and dedicated server customers. There are a few that really, really want this info. I point them to the documentation and point out their folly, yet they still "need" this info. I agree with Stephen on this, but it would be nice if there was an option, even if it were named something like TOTALLYNONFACTUALPATHANAYLSIS just so I could keep my customers happy.
I love Analog, it's pretty much setup and forget. I tried (at a customer's insistence) NetTracker and found it to be a nightmare. If it works, it's OK, however if it messes up, which it had a tendency to do, then it was terrible. It would overwrite its "database" periodically which would mean it would have to start from scratch again. This particular site gets approx 500K "hits" a day, and NetTracker would take literally 28 hours to do one day. Analog can do it in minutes. Gotta like that.
I had the same issue. I use using Netscape's roaming access, but that doesn't do me much good if I'm at somebody else's house, a cafe, etc. I am now using Bookmarker. This stores all of your bookmarks in a MySQL database and has some nice features. Best of all, for all the people who will only use open source, you're in luck.
Ug. Yes, I tried Odigo and deemed it crap almost immediately. It could never log me into Yahoo and it's AIM support was flaky. I guess I wasn't looking for the people finder part, I just wanted a unified messenger similar to Gaim or Everybuddy on Unix (I run them on Solaris, therefore I won't say "for linux") but for Windows. It sounded promising, but in practice it pretty much sucks.
Gnus has this ability. I haven't actually tried it, but there is a smime module that explicitly lists X.509. Not sure what version it started coming with but the latest version has it.
EB compiles just fine on Solaris. I've even sent in a sound patch to make it work correctly for SunRay appliances. Not sure why you think it doesn't work under Solaris unless you've never tried. It's about a 5 minute compile.
I used it for a decent sized project (50kloc of C++ code, multiple libraries, etc.) and it worked great. I was looking for good looking printed documentation and therefore wanted LaTeX. I was extremely happy with it and was able to configure the output enough that it made my client happy. The HTML output is very good too. The system is very easy to use and produces great output. Highly recommended.
What you're missing, however, is that there are some of use that don't use Linux at all. We're a 100% Solaris shop. What upsets me is the fact that a log of people seem to think that the world revolves around Linux and to a lesser extent *BSD. Those are the truely clueless people.
If people can't mess around with their machines, then companies don't have to spend time fixing them. We're talking companies, not home users.
What do most "normal" workers need to do in an office? Word processing, spreadsheets, etc. If there is an office suite available (such as StarOffice), then that's all they need. No worries about people deleting system files, etc. Just reboot and get a new image.
Out of curiosity (basically the same reason you stated), I picked up the Evelyn Wood book one day when I was at B&N for about 5 bucks. I read it and started to use the techniques and have noticed a dramitic increase in speed. My comprehension seems to be holding up just fine too. Note that I really only use it for fiction texts where if I miss something it's not a big deal. I've been happy with it so far.
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What? The sh that Solaris ships with is messed up? Oh my...It's the most standard one there is. bash is what's messed up. I've done a lot of "porting" of "Unix" programs that are so totally linux centric that it's not even funny. The people who try to write scripts almost always do so by saying /bin/sh when they really want to use bash. Any commercial Unix (Solaris, IRIX, AIX, etc.) has separate sh and bash. Solaris 8+ has bash as an option:
/bin. Just use /bin/bash if you mean bash, otherwise just stick to the normal sh semantics, it makes life much easier for everybody else.
{cdh@sunray} 10:23pm (~) > pkginfo |grep bash
system SUNWbash GNU Bourne-Again shell (bash)
{cdh@sunray} 10:23pm (~) >
It even puts it in
ssh shouldn't be "optional", it should always be put on. I am upset that Sun (and most other commercial Unix vendors) don't bundle ssh, but then again, we always install a different version of perl than the Solaris default one.
Finally, learn how to jumpstart your machines, there's absolutely zero need to lug a CD-ROM around (and not having a CD-ROM in the first place is not Sun's fault, but rather your employer's fault, it's definitely an option on the Ultra 1s). We just jumpstarted 20 machines this week, total time for then installs was less than 6 hours. AND we did it remotely thanks to serial consoles (which Intel boxes still can't do) which gets us to PROM level. Very nice...
We use them (SunRay) in our office. We started out with an Ultra10 to support 5 users. This was pretty slow, we have since switched to a 420 (gotta love the dot com bust :) and it works great. We all run Ximian Gnome, Mozilla, play MP3s and I abuse XEmacs and the machine is still very snappy.
The thing we learned it to have plenty of memory and CPU. We tried to go cheap and it didn't work too well. We are all Unix sysadmins yet it's nice not having to maintain different boxes, IOW, it allows us to do our "normal" jobs.
I've had major problems with i-explorer, as in not being able to change directories on the remote side. It also hangs my machine repeatedly (Win98).
I've talked to other people who have experienced this too. I had one version (about a year+ ago) work fine, but none of the new ones have worked for me.
However, I have recently found WinSCP and it works great! More configurable than i-explorer, much more intuitive UI (configurable: Windows Explorer like or Norton Command like). Freeware too. It doesn't even "install", it's just one executable, no spyware, funky registry keys, etc. Very nice.
Agreed. Personally, I don't care, however, I run Analog and ReportMagic for all of our virtual host sites and dedicated server customers. There are a few that really, really want this info. I point them to the documentation and point out their folly, yet they still "need" this info. I agree with Stephen on this, but it would be nice if there was an option, even if it were named something like TOTALLYNONFACTUALPATHANAYLSIS just so I could keep my customers happy.
I love Analog, it's pretty much setup and forget. I tried (at a customer's insistence) NetTracker and found it to be a nightmare. If it works, it's OK, however if it messes up, which it had a tendency to do, then it was terrible. It would overwrite its "database" periodically which would mean it would have to start from scratch again. This particular site gets approx 500K "hits" a day, and NetTracker would take literally 28 hours to do one day. Analog can do it in minutes. Gotta like that.
I had the same issue. I use using Netscape's roaming access, but that doesn't do me much good if I'm at somebody else's house, a cafe, etc. I am now using Bookmarker. This stores all of your bookmarks in a MySQL database and has some nice features. Best of all, for all the people who will only use open source, you're in luck.
Ug. Yes, I tried Odigo and deemed it crap almost immediately. It could never log me into Yahoo and it's AIM support was flaky. I guess I wasn't looking for the people finder part, I just wanted a unified messenger similar to Gaim or Everybuddy on Unix (I run them on Solaris, therefore I won't say "for linux") but for Windows. It sounded promising, but in practice it pretty much sucks.
Gnus has this ability. I haven't actually tried it, but there is a smime module that explicitly lists X.509. Not sure what version it started coming with but the latest version has it.
EB compiles just fine on Solaris. I've even sent in a sound patch to make it work correctly for SunRay appliances. Not sure why you think it doesn't work under Solaris unless you've never tried. It's about a 5 minute compile.
I used it for a decent sized project (50kloc of C++ code, multiple libraries, etc.) and it worked great. I was looking for good looking printed documentation and therefore wanted LaTeX. I was extremely happy with it and was able to configure the output enough that it made my client happy. The HTML output is very good too. The system is very easy to use and produces great output. Highly recommended.
What you're missing, however, is that there are some of use that don't use Linux at all. We're a 100% Solaris shop. What upsets me is the fact that a log of people seem to think that the world revolves around Linux and to a lesser extent *BSD. Those are the truely clueless people.
Total Cost of Ownership.
If people can't mess around with their machines, then companies don't have to spend time fixing them. We're talking companies, not home users.
What do most "normal" workers need to do in an office? Word processing, spreadsheets, etc. If there is an office suite available (such as StarOffice), then that's all they need. No worries about people deleting system files, etc. Just reboot and get a new image.
Out of curiosity (basically the same reason you stated), I picked up the Evelyn Wood book one day when I was at B&N for about 5 bucks. I read it and started to use the techniques and have noticed a dramitic increase in speed. My comprehension seems to be holding up just fine too. Note that I really only use it for fiction texts where if I miss something it's not a big deal. I've been happy with it so far.