> User-evaluation. Search results should be
> moderatable by users, to eliminate pages
> designed to beat the system and improve the
> ranking of pages that are useful.
I like 'em all but that last one. I don't want to search for linux and get a bunch of rootkit sites modded up to (Score: +5, l33t).
In all honesty though. You'd have to put so much abuse-protection into place in a moderation system for search engines that it would blow your mind. I don't want the web rendered useless by 5cr1p7 k1dd13z who cracked the mod system. Oh well, people suck.
Apparently this manor of societal comment through exageration is over the slashdot crowds collective heads. I was hoping the veiled truth and general wording of this statement would make it funny, not offense. Ah, well... I'll make a note of that...
Thank you both for the replies. I think I understand better now. I'm still sure I'll have to see-it-to-believe-it to a certain extend. Ah, well... always a cynic. Thanks again,
I agree with almost all of that. I myself am a programmer and linux user. I would love the ability to fire up my copy of VC6Pro and debug windows when Media Player crashes (which it has been VERY often:-). Here's what I'm thinking:
It is obvious that we (the Open-Source community) are doing very little to aid in the development of non-free, closed-source software as they cannot use any of our code. You can argue that that is true, but that's fine. I mean, we should all be GPL anyway.:-) I disagree... I think.
My point is that I think we SHOULD NOT all be GPL. If all is open-source than, in this future of abundant bandwidth, why won't I just download and compile all my software without paying for it. Where's all the revenue that funds these projects going to come from?
Remember, most technological innovation came from a funded source. Xerox for example birthed the user interface. Macintosh spent LOTS of money doing usability testing. As has Microsoft. It we are all Open-Source, where is this money going to come from? Where will all the advancement come from?
I think that maybe I am simply missing some fundamental point of the Open-Source business model. So, someone please enlighten me. Assuming a future in which everyone has a fast internet connection and remains as greedy/thrifty as they are now, where is all of the funding going to come from?
It's obvious that RedHat has managed to do quite well thus far. Unfortunately, I can't say I quite understand how. Is all this revenue due to tech support contracts and cd sales or is there more?
If I am as misguided as I believe I might be, thank you for having the time to help me figure this out. And thank you for the intelligent reply to my other post.
I guess what I'm arguing is not the functionality of the GPL. You are correct in that matter. I am arguing more idealistically.
It does not seem a noble goal to me to convert the whole world to Open-Source. I find RMS as much as liar as Bill Gates, only RMS puts himself far more noble than he is.
It seems to me that a noble goal would be to create a giant shareable code-base that others can use as they see fit. This would be of great benefit to programmers. Especially as they would not have to worry about coercing their project into some preconceived licensing scheme.
I think via this method you could more inspire others to help out and further this global code-base.
If you wanted to you could even require that the explicit changes to shared code be made public, but nothing else.
The only purpose of Open-Source is not having, well, open source. It's also about code sharing. It is communistic and down-right lame to expect everyone to follow the same license. Not everyone wants to make open-source software.
From a moral standpoint, I don't see why he wouldn't be allowed to take advantage of already written libraries, as those libs were written for the purpose of being shared.
I mean, there is no reason to expect that everyone who benefits from open-source software needs to give back ten-fold. Let him write the chess program. Let him Open-Source whatever part of it directly uses the network library and then let him make a closed source program and make some money off of it. It's not hurting anyone and the community is getting back some code.
I hate the FSF communities idea that "our software is open, why isn't yours?" It's not an obligation to open your source. Everyone is different. Each model has it's own benefits. If you think I'm wrong about that last point than you've been reading slashdot for too long.
It's already written. Read the latest "Kernel Traffic". It's not in the main tree yet, but 2.4.0 has already been converted to be fully pre-emptive. The develepor responsible I believe said he would like to see it merged completely by 2.5.0. Woohoo.
Granted I do live, and have always lived, in America. But, from what I have read and experienced I am lead to believe that the higher taxes in europe stem from the fact that they have REAL social programs. Not the shit we have here.
They have a REAL bus system. REAL rail system. REAL healthcare. LOWER college tuition. The list goes on and on. Yeah, you pay more to live there, so does everyone else, but you do get your moneys worth...
Unfortunately, there ARE jobs stuffing envelopes. Stop by your local temp agency and ask them. My girlfriend is currently making $7 an hour stuffing envelopes during christmas break (from college). Fun stuff from what it sounds.... or something....:-)
That is, if you are using the phonetic alphabet. Omega happens to be a greek letter that starts with the same letter, but alas, it is incorrect. Sorry again... REALLY bored...
You may wish to note that these weren't the "15 Best Games", but the "15 Most Influential" games. System Shock I and II were good games, but not influential. Their genre had already been established.
Half-Life was influential because it combined a well-done plot and immersiveness with good fps action WITHOUT BEING A RPG! That's the key. All the previous immersive games plot-wise that were fps's were RPG games and had various skill levels and such, like System Shock. Anyway, good game, but not influential.
The only use I EVER found for them was that ONCE I used them to make sure I would hit the hill above my opponent before I used my roller. If I had used the baby missiles it would have damaged the mountain and my roller would have been useless. But, the tracers saved the day and I reigned victorious, as always. On the right map, heavy rollers are king...
Good lord man, what are you smoking? Can I have some? Have you ever tried to install windows? It's the biggest pain in the ass in the world. Far far more difficult than Debian or RedHat, especially on machines w/ more than one OS.
It took me over five tries, and I still don't know how it works, but I got NT4 Server, 98SE and Debian all running on the same harddrive. NT4 and 98SE HATE eachother!
Even just install NT4 gives me problems half the time. It will do it's god-awful install process, fail to recognize my ethernet card, finish anyway, and tell you to reboot it. Then you reboot it and it hangs. If it doesn't hang then it installs for another five minutes and tells you to reboot it again. To get it installed with all my drivers installed took 8 reboots on NT4, which is no fast thing. It took roughly the same on 98SE. Took me ONE on Debian.
Oh, and the eth card that NT4 has trouble with is a really off-the-wall card. It's a 3Com 3c905b. Oh, wait, thats one of the MOST COMMONLY USED CARDS EVER! Linux loves it. 98 Loves it. Why not NT?
Anyway, installing NT4 is the hardest part of my tech-support job too. It's really a pain. I am SURE that getting it to install on EVERY computer is NOT their big concern. NT4 is the most fickel install I have ever witnessed, well aside from earlier versions of linux...:-)
Justin Dubs
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I agree with everything you say aside from "Ethnic unity among Blacks, Asians, Arabs simply does not exist." This is a blatant falsehood. I question as to whether you even KNOW any minorities.
I am white. I am in college. My roommate is black. He's a great guy and there is no racial tension there but, one may notice that nearly ALL of his friends are black. Even the ones he didn't grow up with. There are black clubs on campus to bring them all together. He has even commented that he knows pretty much every black guy on campus because "when you are a minority, you kind of band together." He's not racist in any way but, as a minority, he feels a small bond with fellow blacks.
There are also Asian clubs on campus and my Asian friends are the same. Great guys. By they also band together with fellow Asians to a certain extent. Not exclusively of course, but you will note a disproportionate number of their friends are also Asian.
I have no problem with this. People of common color may be more likely to share common backgrounds. A disproportionate number of my black friends grew up in trailer parks or other "low-income" housing areas so they have a common bond in that regard.
To wander a little off topic from this reply, if you were to hang around with mostly redheads, people would think it was wierd, but that's it. It's just a preference. I like women with blue eyes. That's not racist. I hang around with mostly geeks, because I share common interests with them. I don't see why it should be any different with "races", since they don't exist. We all have the same skin, it's just pigment. Same as eye or hair color. Anyway, enough of my ranting, I'm tired. Goodnight.
Do whatever the hell you want with this code. Use it in commercial products without releasing source. Use it in open-source code. Print it up and use it to wipe your ass. I don't care. It's "Free"!!
However, the code would not truly be free because I would have to restrict the ability to take my code, claim it as your own and then put on a new license. Ah, well.
However I will always feel that it would be great if the GNU people would realize that they are not writing "free" code and they are in fact writing code that will never be of as much use as it could be because software will never be "free". There will always be commercial software. Always. And it would be nice if the companies could benefit from the technology in the GNU stuff without having to worry about releasing the source and other licensing crap.
I've always thought of the GPL and pretty much everything RMS as the biggest hypocracy in the universe. "We want to make the code free and support open-source by putting lots of restrictions on what you can do with our code and FORCING you to make your code under the exact same license we use." Hah. What a crock. I despise the "Open-Source" movement as it currently exists.
I didn't say I wasn't getting sleep because I was studying. I never study. I never get any sleep due to all the drunken card games and counter-strike and helping the proverbial baffoons with their studying. How dare you insinuate that I study!:-)
From what I am getting out of this, I am guessing that maybe for a specific client/server app the server may decide that the best way to present information is via an app written for the embedded platform Inferno and therefore they write the application. Then, the clients, via this plugin can view the info the server presents via a standard web server.
I am saying this because it's not nearly as general purpose a solution as Java since it is a IE plugin and, well, why should we all learn another web language...
So, anyway, I'm seeing a cross between java and ssl only it only works on IE >5.0. Sound right? Oh well, who knows, it's late and I haven't slept for days. Damn college finals.:-)
I have, in fact, read the webpage. I fail to see the point and in fact see an oddity. Inferno is designed to be a small imbedded OS. So, what kind of embedded OS applications are you going to write that you would feel like integrating into a web browser? Seems kinda odd.
It would make more sense to have this kind of functionality with Windows apps as people write REAL applications for windows becaue memory and size aren't concerns as they are in embedded platforms.
Of course, I may be way off base here and may be completely misunderstand and missing the point of all this. Help me out...
Maybe I'm confused by this whole concept, but, the only thing that springs to mind to say is "Why?". I mean really, a browser in your OS. This has to be more of a hack than any sort of useful product. Someone please prove me wrong...
This is all covered in the faq and the mailing list. They just finished (we think) a NetBSD port so a FreeBSD one isn't far behind. There is very little platform specific code, so it should be pretty easy to port. As for bochs, see the faq...
If you follow the mailing list you will see that they just got a port to NetBSD (i think it was Net) up and running. So, FreeBSD can't be far behind. They said that very little of the code was platform specific so porting wouldn't be a big deal. Give it a few weeks (or days)...
That is only partially supported as of now. There are bugs in the LBA code and partitions bigger than 400M aren't supported yet. I don't think using/dev/hda? will work even with the smaller partition sizes though. I think right now you are stuck with using images...
We are talking about plex86's ability to handle CD's and floppy images, not linux's. Linux has been able to do this for a LONG time via loopback mounting, however plex86 can't handle devices yet, just files. That's why you can't just plex86 your windows partition, you have to dd it to a file and plex86 the file.
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> User-evaluation. Search results should be
> moderatable by users, to eliminate pages
> designed to beat the system and improve the
> ranking of pages that are useful.
I like 'em all but that last one. I don't want to search for linux and get a bunch of rootkit sites modded up to (Score: +5, l33t).
In all honesty though. You'd have to put so much abuse-protection into place in a moderation system for search engines that it would blow your mind. I don't want the web rendered useless by 5cr1p7 k1dd13z who cracked the mod system. Oh well, people suck.
Justin Dubs
Oh, wait, I get it now. You have to include HTML sarcasm tags or litter your comments with ;-)'s so people KNOW your kidding. Ah, silly me.
Justin Dubs
Apparently this manor of societal comment through exageration is over the slashdot crowds collective heads. I was hoping the veiled truth and general wording of this statement would make it funny, not offense. Ah, well... I'll make a note of that...
Justin Dubs
Thank you both for the replies. I think I understand better now. I'm still sure I'll have to see-it-to-believe-it to a certain extend. Ah, well... always a cynic. Thanks again,
Justin Dubs
I agree with almost all of that. I myself am a programmer and linux user. I would love the ability to fire up my copy of VC6Pro and debug windows when Media Player crashes (which it has been VERY often :-). Here's what I'm thinking:
:-) I disagree... I think.
It is obvious that we (the Open-Source community) are doing very little to aid in the development of non-free, closed-source software as they cannot use any of our code. You can argue that that is true, but that's fine. I mean, we should all be GPL anyway.
My point is that I think we SHOULD NOT all be GPL. If all is open-source than, in this future of abundant bandwidth, why won't I just download and compile all my software without paying for it. Where's all the revenue that funds these projects going to come from?
Remember, most technological innovation came from a funded source. Xerox for example birthed the user interface. Macintosh spent LOTS of money doing usability testing. As has Microsoft. It we are all Open-Source, where is this money going to come from? Where will all the advancement come from?
I think that maybe I am simply missing some fundamental point of the Open-Source business model. So, someone please enlighten me. Assuming a future in which everyone has a fast internet connection and remains as greedy/thrifty as they are now, where is all of the funding going to come from?
It's obvious that RedHat has managed to do quite well thus far. Unfortunately, I can't say I quite understand how. Is all this revenue due to tech support contracts and cd sales or is there more?
If I am as misguided as I believe I might be, thank you for having the time to help me figure this out. And thank you for the intelligent reply to my other post.
Justin Dubs
I guess what I'm arguing is not the functionality of the GPL. You are correct in that matter. I am arguing more idealistically.
It does not seem a noble goal to me to convert the whole world to Open-Source. I find RMS as much as liar as Bill Gates, only RMS puts himself far more noble than he is.
It seems to me that a noble goal would be to create a giant shareable code-base that others can use as they see fit. This would be of great benefit to programmers. Especially as they would not have to worry about coercing their project into some preconceived licensing scheme.
I think via this method you could more inspire others to help out and further this global code-base.
If you wanted to you could even require that the explicit changes to shared code be made public, but nothing else.
Just my thoughts though. Take them as you want,
Justin Dubs
The only purpose of Open-Source is not having, well, open source. It's also about code sharing. It is communistic and down-right lame to expect everyone to follow the same license. Not everyone wants to make open-source software.
From a moral standpoint, I don't see why he wouldn't be allowed to take advantage of already written libraries, as those libs were written for the purpose of being shared.
I mean, there is no reason to expect that everyone who benefits from open-source software needs to give back ten-fold. Let him write the chess program. Let him Open-Source whatever part of it directly uses the network library and then let him make a closed source program and make some money off of it. It's not hurting anyone and the community is getting back some code.
I hate the FSF communities idea that "our software is open, why isn't yours?" It's not an obligation to open your source. Everyone is different. Each model has it's own benefits. If you think I'm wrong about that last point than you've been reading slashdot for too long.
Justin Dubs
I'm not done deciphering the post yet...
Justin Dubs
It's already written. Read the latest "Kernel Traffic". It's not in the main tree yet, but 2.4.0 has already been converted to be fully pre-emptive. The develepor responsible I believe said he would like to see it merged completely by 2.5.0. Woohoo.
Justin Dubs
Granted I do live, and have always lived, in America. But, from what I have read and experienced I am lead to believe that the higher taxes in europe stem from the fact that they have REAL social programs. Not the shit we have here.
They have a REAL bus system. REAL rail system. REAL healthcare. LOWER college tuition. The list goes on and on. Yeah, you pay more to live there, so does everyone else, but you do get your moneys worth...
Justin Dubs
Unfortunately, there ARE jobs stuffing envelopes. Stop by your local temp agency and ask them. My girlfriend is currently making $7 an hour stuffing envelopes during christmas break (from college). Fun stuff from what it sounds.... or something.... :-)
Justin Dubs
Because i'm incredibly bored:
taco = tango alpha charlie oscar
That is, if you are using the phonetic alphabet. Omega happens to be a greek letter that starts with the same letter, but alas, it is incorrect. Sorry again... REALLY bored...
Justin Dubs
You may wish to note that these weren't the "15 Best Games", but the "15 Most Influential" games. System Shock I and II were good games, but not influential. Their genre had already been established.
Half-Life was influential because it combined a well-done plot and immersiveness with good fps action WITHOUT BEING A RPG! That's the key. All the previous immersive games plot-wise that were fps's were RPG games and had various skill levels and such, like System Shock. Anyway, good game, but not influential.
Justin Dubs
The only use I EVER found for them was that ONCE I used them to make sure I would hit the hill above my opponent before I used my roller. If I had used the baby missiles it would have damaged the mountain and my roller would have been useless. But, the tracers saved the day and I reigned victorious, as always. On the right map, heavy rollers are king...
Justin Dubs
Good lord man, what are you smoking? Can I have some? Have you ever tried to install windows? It's the biggest pain in the ass in the world. Far far more difficult than Debian or RedHat, especially on machines w/ more than one OS.
:-)
It took me over five tries, and I still don't know how it works, but I got NT4 Server, 98SE and Debian all running on the same harddrive. NT4 and 98SE HATE eachother!
Even just install NT4 gives me problems half the time. It will do it's god-awful install process, fail to recognize my ethernet card, finish anyway, and tell you to reboot it. Then you reboot it and it hangs. If it doesn't hang then it installs for another five minutes and tells you to reboot it again. To get it installed with all my drivers installed took 8 reboots on NT4, which is no fast thing. It took roughly the same on 98SE. Took me ONE on Debian.
Oh, and the eth card that NT4 has trouble with is a really off-the-wall card. It's a 3Com 3c905b. Oh, wait, thats one of the MOST COMMONLY USED CARDS EVER! Linux loves it. 98 Loves it. Why not NT?
Anyway, installing NT4 is the hardest part of my tech-support job too. It's really a pain. I am SURE that getting it to install on EVERY computer is NOT their big concern. NT4 is the most fickel install I have ever witnessed, well aside from earlier versions of linux...
Justin Dubs
I agree with everything you say aside from "Ethnic unity among Blacks, Asians, Arabs simply does not exist." This is a blatant falsehood. I question as to whether you even KNOW any minorities.
I am white. I am in college. My roommate is black. He's a great guy and there is no racial tension there but, one may notice that nearly ALL of his friends are black. Even the ones he didn't grow up with. There are black clubs on campus to bring them all together. He has even commented that he knows pretty much every black guy on campus because "when you are a minority, you kind of band together." He's not racist in any way but, as a minority, he feels a small bond with fellow blacks.
There are also Asian clubs on campus and my Asian friends are the same. Great guys. By they also band together with fellow Asians to a certain extent. Not exclusively of course, but you will note a disproportionate number of their friends are also Asian.
I have no problem with this. People of common color may be more likely to share common backgrounds. A disproportionate number of my black friends grew up in trailer parks or other "low-income" housing areas so they have a common bond in that regard.
To wander a little off topic from this reply, if you were to hang around with mostly redheads, people would think it was wierd, but that's it. It's just a preference. I like women with blue eyes. That's not racist. I hang around with mostly geeks, because I share common interests with them. I don't see why it should be any different with "races", since they don't exist. We all have the same skin, it's just pigment. Same as eye or hair color. Anyway, enough of my ranting, I'm tired. Goodnight.
Justin Dubs
It would pretty much read:
Do whatever the hell you want with this code. Use it in commercial products without releasing source. Use it in open-source code. Print it up and use it to wipe your ass. I don't care. It's "Free"!!
However, the code would not truly be free because I would have to restrict the ability to take my code, claim it as your own and then put on a new license. Ah, well.
However I will always feel that it would be great if the GNU people would realize that they are not writing "free" code and they are in fact writing code that will never be of as much use as it could be because software will never be "free". There will always be commercial software. Always. And it would be nice if the companies could benefit from the technology in the GNU stuff without having to worry about releasing the source and other licensing crap.
I've always thought of the GPL and pretty much everything RMS as the biggest hypocracy in the universe. "We want to make the code free and support open-source by putting lots of restrictions on what you can do with our code and FORCING you to make your code under the exact same license we use." Hah. What a crock. I despise the "Open-Source" movement as it currently exists.
Justin Dubs
I didn't say I wasn't getting sleep because I was studying. I never study. I never get any sleep due to all the drunken card games and counter-strike and helping the proverbial baffoons with their studying. How dare you insinuate that I study! :-)
Justin Dubs
From what I am getting out of this, I am guessing that maybe for a specific client/server app the server may decide that the best way to present information is via an app written for the embedded platform Inferno and therefore they write the application. Then, the clients, via this plugin can view the info the server presents via a standard web server.
:-)
I am saying this because it's not nearly as general purpose a solution as Java since it is a IE plugin and, well, why should we all learn another web language...
So, anyway, I'm seeing a cross between java and ssl only it only works on IE >5.0. Sound right? Oh well, who knows, it's late and I haven't slept for days. Damn college finals.
Justin Dubs
I have, in fact, read the webpage. I fail to see the point and in fact see an oddity. Inferno is designed to be a small imbedded OS. So, what kind of embedded OS applications are you going to write that you would feel like integrating into a web browser? Seems kinda odd.
It would make more sense to have this kind of functionality with Windows apps as people write REAL applications for windows becaue memory and size aren't concerns as they are in embedded platforms.
Of course, I may be way off base here and may be completely misunderstand and missing the point of all this. Help me out...
Justin Dubs
Maybe I'm confused by this whole concept, but, the only thing that springs to mind to say is "Why?". I mean really, a browser in your OS. This has to be more of a hack than any sort of useful product. Someone please prove me wrong...
Justin Dubs
btw, fp?
This is all covered in the faq and the mailing list. They just finished (we think) a NetBSD port so a FreeBSD one isn't far behind. There is very little platform specific code, so it should be pretty easy to port. As for bochs, see the faq...
Justin Dubs
If you follow the mailing list you will see that they just got a port to NetBSD (i think it was Net) up and running. So, FreeBSD can't be far behind. They said that very little of the code was platform specific so porting wouldn't be a big deal. Give it a few weeks (or days)...
Justin Dubs
That is only partially supported as of now. There are bugs in the LBA code and partitions bigger than 400M aren't supported yet. I don't think using /dev/hda? will work even with the smaller partition sizes though. I think right now you are stuck with using images...
Justin Dubs
What are you talking about?
We are talking about plex86's ability to handle CD's and floppy images, not linux's. Linux has been able to do this for a LONG time via loopback mounting, however plex86 can't handle devices yet, just files. That's why you can't just plex86 your windows partition, you have to dd it to a file and plex86 the file.
Hehe, I verbed plex86...
Justin Dubs