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  1. Stolen property is a not the same thing; false analogy. If they stole my phone I'd want the police to get it back and look at the person to see if he was the crook or knowingly bought stolen goods.

    PR/Lawyer types invented the Intellectual Property term that mischaracterizes the whole situation and gets us all to use that term and warp thinking on the subject in their favor- its a perfect example of 1984 style word games. This sony thing is only about INFORMATION they claim to own and not in a literal sense; a broad unspecified amount of information defined only by its possible use against them. He should have setup a blog and called himself NEWS so he'd have a little bit more protection.

    It doesn't matter if you are insecure if you can ID the those who break your security - you can just prosecute them after (possibly at no expense if gov does it.) Take the pathetic numeric passwords openly displayed on every credit card for example.

  2. Re:Anyone verified this is actually legit? on Wikileaks Opens Official Online Store · · Score: 1

    I've already received my shirts a week ago. so at least those are real.

    When I contacted them with some questions I was responded to from an address of wikileaks.de which my server said was sent from an email server at wl.datendetektei.de. Their email server is also a mirror of the wikileaks site and the main wikileaks site lists wl.datendetektei.de as an official mirror site. I would think that this means that this is as legit as that faction is.

  3. You a modern college student? on Why You Shouldn't Reboot Unix Servers · · Score: 1

    ONLY JAVA. I wouldn't be surprised if I heard a graduate say "whats a pointer?" or "is that like a reference?"

  4. /tmp on Why You Shouldn't Reboot Unix Servers · · Score: 1

    Some setups do not clean up the /tmp directory - mine seems to just fill up forever until I reboot. maybe it does something on its own but I've never checked or ran into a situation where i needed to find out; an update or paranoid reboot deals with it.

    Memory fragmentation? people care about that with their 10Gig of RAM still? Well, to be fair performance has been coming back with smart phones and battery life on laptops ...now if we could just get people back to knowing what a pointer is...

  5. Hogwash! Kids don't have the rights on Police Chief Teaches Parents To Keylog Kids · · Score: 2

    Parents can do almost anything to their kids within the law and even in the criminal situations they rarely get caught and when they do I bet the majority of them do not get a proper response.

    There is nothing wrong with keyloging YOUR kid. The other issues are just that-- OTHER ISSUES. It may prove useful to have a log of the kids messages if something goes wrong later. The only real big related issue is the privacy rights of the child, including the use of such info by police to nail your child for something... we are not intelligently handling children in the legal system anymore.

  6. AOL vs WEB on Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments · · Score: 1

    AOL "just worked" and the WEB killed it and it never worked as well as far as the many technical problems - it was more open ended to new ideas and participation which made it adapt faster than AOL's top-down dictatorial approach.

    A system that merely provides 2 things:
    1) an ID format that encourages one to use a global username for everything not locked in like email

    2) a P2P discovery protocol so facebook and others can interoperate with your contacts list. almost like some sort of LDAP.

    Like the WEB, other people create the applications on top which work OK because of standards. I'm not saying it has to be 1 app or 1 website - just like HTML and HTTP were not about netscape or simple hypertext.

    We're talking BUILDING BLOCKS; I'm not trying to create an open source product; but spur some people to create another network of protocols and standards to support another decentralized network.

  7. Re:Ha, with a name like cynicist why bother? on Science Programs Hit Hard By Proposed Budget · · Score: 1

    You do realize that a bank lends out YOUR money to others until you withdraw it right? (this still happens even though they use fractional lending... and they also don't have as much money coming in as going out, BTW.)

    As I said, if its underfunded you raise taxes or payout LESS or borrow the difference and spread it over future generations (which is less than taxing just the immediate generation only) REALITY is not linear dude. There are going to be dips and surpluses. I ADAPT to change its obvious... but you want to trash your investment and scrap everything just because 1 possible solution is you pay have to pay a bit more today. The biggest thing going on here is that the population didn't continue to rise generation to generation and that should have been accounted for but some people (like you) didn't want to adapt.

    You think this is a pozi mess? Then you should be upset over all the bigger issues like the farce of continual growth and well... the banking system and stock market... This economy can't shift into reality but social security can adapt for the baby boom "bubble" - if you people don't help kill S.S. its on course to dip about 3/4 benefits until the boomers die and then it'll catch back up.

    The SCAM is what is being done to people like you who will cheer with glee as you help them fuck you over (which is worse than some higher taxes.) There is a cynical book you should look at "Whats the Matter with Kansas."

    Optional investment is too risky-- all you broke ass gamblers will be begging for the rest of us to let you into the system instead of dying homeless and sickly. As long as we can keep the morons out for life-- I'm just fine with you going private; it'll serve you right if you end up worse off... probably is the system will still support you in other ways and we'll have to pay in other ways. Just like healthcare shifts the uninsured to high emergency bills for the rest of us.

  8. Ha, with a name like cynicist why bother? on Science Programs Hit Hard By Proposed Budget · · Score: 1

    Why would "cynicist" bother to post a cynical statement about the future when its not going to convince anybody or change somebody's mind.

    You may not realize this, but the social security trust fund is running on SURPLUS because of the boomers paying in all their lives and are just now retiring and drawing from their fund-- they were supposed to DIE before the trust fund ran out at the rates they were paying in. Its their money. Previous generations GOT PAID back my parents are now, if that is a scam....

    Now maybe we don't want to pay the gap from the underestimates in cost of living, lifespan, and unregulated medical costs... but they deserve their money back they put in.

    Maybe they shouldn't have added onto the program and we should have let all the retards and autistics starve and die. Maybe its the kids fault his parents generation polluted etc and made them early social security net-losses who have been draining the system prematurely at higher than predicted rates... (or they didn't want to pay what they agreed to support while possibly feeling guilty for contributing to higher rates of needy.)

    Since I'm paying into the trust fund most my life I want my money back later and it SHOULD be enough money because I do not live in a baby boom and the population is NOT shrinking. I'd rather they took it and kept it safe than me manually save X amount every paycheck with greater risk and no ability to "sponge" on anybody should I end up a cripple or something.... my bank collapses...etc.

  9. Re:Social Security is non-negotiable on Science Programs Hit Hard By Proposed Budget · · Score: 1

    That is an AMMENDMENT. The 10th is a point of a lot of arguments, funny enough I remember something about supreme court ruling saying it did nothing... its not a simple point to bring up.

    Now you are getting into picky issues that are not even touched upon by high school government or understood by the vast majority of Americans.

  10. PARENT IS RIGHT on The Most Violent Video Games of All Time · · Score: 1

    Previous calls for game censorship were really calls for attention by the politicians NOT getting enough bribes. So, after years of failing to get the hint it has ended up in the Surpreme Court (mild pun intended.)

    The industry missed its chance to avoid this; however, its not a big deal, its only a question of selling to minors that is going to court. They can still pay up and avoid future troubles.

    Disturbed people will find plenty to set them off. We could just update our midevil justice system to handle nuts... oh wait! they were better in the past than we are today... lets downgrade to the past when nuts were locked up. Ban most mental drugs from children and you'd probably stop almost all the school shootings... (since this is a common trait for the teen shooters.)

    Most the truly horrific things I saw as a child were Japanese and around my age group - different culture. They don't have our problems- why not study it? Canada has more guns, why not study them? But-- we are Americans, we don't believe in science lets just jump to baseless conclusions!

    WTF do we have to live around a tiny minority because a negligible percent take something the wrong way? Just think how many shooters they try to pin this on per year-- I have a 1000x better chance falling down the stairs and dying.

    Darwin Award winner dies from air hose misuse; lets ban the sale of air hoses to minors!

  11. Data set size is its own security? on OpenLeaks Founder 'Crippled' WikiLeaks · · Score: 1

    So, clearly government should pepper documents with critical data so they can attack any leaks for not filtering out all the data at great expense. Sounds like they could do this with minimal damage but maximum spin.

    If Wikileaks spent more time with less money to deal with filtering they could be DoS attacked by this method of requiring heavy processing of all leaked documents. Delaying releases until they are unable to be effective for the public. Plus they are BOUND to have errors in their filtering process.

    The EU let the USA kidnap, fly around, and had safe houses for CIA ops --kidnapping people etc. Until they found out about SOME of it publicly.

    Its just fine when the military kills a few innocent people (daily) but when the press leaks something that puts a few people at RISK (not even death) its a big big deal. Why? You know, in the USA the free press doesn't have to actually worry about collateral damage - by constitution; but the military does not have anywhere near that protection yet its perfectly ok for them to continue with their collateral damage. A free press isn't going to be pleasant and easy; democracy isn't a spectator sport either.

    You ever end up in court? Plenty of collateral damage goes on in there; but its needed for the greater good. Press damage works the same way - sure, our "press" isn't doing its job even remotely well, but that is another issue.

    Assange's rape scandal is the most political "legal" scandal I've ever seen - its blatantly inept and exactly what you'd do if you wanted to send a message to others just how little the LAW can protect you. Its not just hero worship; its obvious what is going on if you look beyond the sound bites. REAL ACTUAL CHARGES should have been made before he left the country; this was exploited for political impact according to plan - which is why many people reasonably assume its without merit. Once its over, we might get more truth about it-- but while its active don't expect anybody to risk more trouble with any truth.

  12. DoD Red Herring on Science Programs Hit Hard By Proposed Budget · · Score: 1

    The defense complex cost not being the BIGGEST expense for the USA -- this argument is a Red Herring. Its a trick to get us to dismiss a HUGE factor simply because it is not the biggest contributor. Yet, we are led to believe that cutting tons of small programs to the bone or eliminating them will do anything meaningful when those will not. You can't have it both ways.

    ALSO its not that we just over spend - the government revenue is DIRECTLY tied to the economy; which the government helped destroy. The deficit would go away if we boosted the economy; the debt we never will get rid of because surpluses never mean "pay off debt" it means "lower taxes" (usually mostly for the rich.)

  13. Social Security is non-negotiable on Science Programs Hit Hard By Proposed Budget · · Score: 5, Informative

    Social Security is OUTSIDE the general fund and people need to realize it was designed to be completely separated from the rest of the system - they are only lumping it in because it is under attack and they keep trying to STEAL money from it as if it were general revenue - which is is not.

    Social Security is paid for and only needs occasional rises or declines to adjust to population changes. Its almost a FLAT tax except that it exempts the rich. It is about as much of a "lock box" as we've ever had legally; politically, its been under heavy assault from day one. If you thought private health insurance was bad, just wait for them to get their hands on social security... Of course, we've had additions made to Social Security to increase its costs and we've refused to make it adapt with the times - trying to subtly sabotage the program.

    Social Security is extremely popular and the PEOPLE can mandate THEIR government to "insure domestic Tranquility" and "promote the general Welfare." The constitution only really limits government, if not prohibited by law, its legal. Its not the other way around - it need not say what it CAN do only what it can not do. Elementary school basic government covered this. Basic logic also covers this, as you have an infinite set of possible actions and a finite set of prohibited actions -- you list the negative set.

    Now we talk like social security are general fund welfare programs but these are things WE ALL (except rich) pay into our whole lives and for generations now and we deserve to get what we paid for / invested in! I PAID for them and I'm fucking going to get my money back when I need it!

    If the government can't pay back then the situation is so bad that the currency and economy are so bad that the alternatives are not going to work either (except for an elite minority.)

    Medicare and the others are general fund programs and they do not operate the same way; they have problems because of their closer connection with the political machine.

  14. Re: to a rash responce on Robot Jet Fighter Takes First Flight · · Score: 1

    Just to fill in a few points the others haven't:

    A coward who can hide from the risk of consequences/accountability is potentially more dangerous - at minimum it allows more people to get involved who didn't have the courage previously. We are fostering cowardice under the guise of protecting the troops. BTW I've not heard a Pakistani who doesn't think we are cowards for exclusively using drones recklessly with disregard for their innocent lives over our soldiers (who are not innocent.)

    Since a lot of people are suckered by the lies that make up wars; the human costs for the "enemy" are completely and conveniently ignored. Therefore, without negative local human cost involved (consequences) there is little to stop a huge segment of the population from supporting wars "without casualties" (remember, the other side doesn't count.)

    People think you are a fool if you suggest we replace war with a GAME, because then we'd have more frequent wars and more turmoil and likely just as much or more expense for the GAMES involved etc... But when we make actual war into a GAME are we not ending up in a similar situation?? This is the direction we are heading.

    Yes, I think the WISE move is to develop anti-technology technology forcing more military personnel to have to get involved on all sides. Your strawman didn't appear to work (read da thread;) you should THINK out your reasoning a bit more before posting logic errors.

    Fear is a fundamental aspect of war; it also fuels foolish notions like new weapons to eliminate fears and also it inspires madness. Really when you think about it, war is all about allaying fears.

  15. PARENT IS RIGHT on Obama Calling For $53B For High Speed Rail · · Score: 1

    Its obvious but continues to need to be pointed out to the ignorant masses.

    Furthermore, the depression and WWII drove the nation's debt to GDP ratio over 100%. We can't go that high with all the other factors we've screwed up but we probably can go higher than we are currently are today-- basically as high in debt as we can find creditors to overvalue our "money". The ONLY time debt is good is to jump start the economy; its risky but its pretty much basic economics --- its more like a LOAN which future prosperity will payback (and less risky than most loans) because remember that the economy is a HUGE factor in government revenue!!! I'm so sick of this BS about overspending like economic losses don't exist. (the real problem is that healthcare isn't fixed yet and military spending is NOT stimulative unless we get massive amounts of stolen resources in return; any of which today goes to some megacorps not our real economy.)

    Maybe we should made deals and invade nations producing coffee and force the world to pay for coffee in US Dollars? (sounds silly but coffee is the 2nd most traded commodity in the world...that is, until we screw up enough water and privatize that.) If Dollars weren't tied to Oil things would be so different...

  16. Cowardice rises to the next level. on Robot Jet Fighter Takes First Flight · · Score: 0

    Cowardice rises to the next level: another robot to replace the job of having some consequences to war.

    Practicality replacing all that honor warrior crap - makes you wonder just how fat and lazy the future military will become; aside from an increased level of cowardice due to those types thriving...

    The direction of all of this is not good; we are going to be the real problem long before the machines are able to take over. Will China rule the world by remote drone and hackers? These machines need to be banned and research to stop them should be performed.

    On the lighter side, I'm waiting for DARPA to start funding bioelectric those cell projects so we can look forward to robots that refuel on dead people.... Then if we survive each other the machines will at least keep us around as fuel.

  17. Re:Lets kill facebook! Here is how: on Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments · · Score: 1

    Cool! XMPP sounds like it could fit into an aspect of this... but not as a core feature as it currently stands from looking over the spec document; it looks too centralized as far as subscribing to somebody's published messages.

    I'm thinking we'd need an ID methodology behind people's names to aid in the discovery process-- being able to help link people up in more automated ways so you can find somebody's XMPP publishing server when they switch; like google wave or email or whatever they currently are using. (as we know the method of communication changes quite a bit over the years.)

    I'd have my own thing that I probably wrote; my friends would have some lame facebook/myspace page or podcast and my mother can only do email and iTunes social networking.

    It may come down to a P2P small data network where you run some app which publishes your basic contact info so then people who know your ID and name and face would use that to find you and what methods of communication you currently use. This could be part of an address book application under "search for contacts."

    Additional things could involve automatic conversion, subscriptions or status updates based upon that data (which can be cached.) Almost like a distributed DNS server with you being the authority over your own info - real or not, duplicate or not. Somebody like my mother would probably stick to her addressbook and email so to get her on it the existing addressbook app would need to automatically keep my contact info up to date (simply telling her my email changed doesn't happen. I must go and change it on her computer.)

  18. domain limitations on Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments · · Score: 1

    The problem with email is that it is tied to a HOST with that domain name. This is a problem when you change domains for various reasons and a 3rd party is always involved in that domain name. To have an ID that sticks with you a lifetime you can't be restricted by 3rd parties (yes you can buy your domain and then somebody can later sue you for having their name and take it away from you with their hired 'guns.')

    Your legal name works but often has too many people with the same name - you CAN go and get your name changed or just have people who know you use a nickname. I'm not proposing anything where you'd be limited to just 1 ID and couldn't have an anonymous ID by the mere fact that I'm saying we can't have any authentication as part of the naming convention aspect of the IDs. Each part is loosely coupled and independent meaning it has maximum flexibility.

    You could be john.doe@foo.org, I don't see why I'd rule that out and many people probably would do that-- but it could remain their ID after foo.org goes bust and just not use it as email address anymore... which is why it would be wise to NOT use an email address.

    My schools could give out my ID and legal name as being a student, because this is a matter of public record and I could choose to use that ID; the government could assign ones as well; but I don't have to use it. some clever facebook like service could link up my IDs over the years (and don't think somebody wouldn't) but due to the lack of authentication in many uses of that ID you couldn't be sure about everything done in my ID-- just like my name. I could post things all over the place in your name without repercussions and it is until authentication enters that we start to get into legal issues with identity theft. That is a separate problem; even then you'd still have duplicates but with different authentication so you could use that to separate the duplicates just like we do with the millions of people with the same legal name but different photo IDs etc.

  19. Prove nuclear is cost effective - I DARE you! on US To Fire Up Big Offshore Wind Energy Projects · · Score: 1

    I've never seen any proof that nuclear power is cost effective. It gets massive government welfare at ALL levels including making fuel and dumping it. It is probably the most expensive power source we've had going all this time.

    Sure they may not explode but they can do plenty of harm by other means - if properly managed they can be fine but if Americans could manage their country we'd not be in the mess we are today would we? We can't even keep our bridges safe anymore; we do patches at best when many things need upgrades. Many nuclear plants are operating years over their design specs and are leaking things already.

    Its hard to even compare things here because we subsidize so many things in so many ways it obscures reality all we do know is that alternatives don't get jack in comparison. Plus we won't be smart enough to invest in a modern power grid (not a smart grid but a smartly designed one-- like by getting rid of AC power lines for less wasteful DC lines.)

  20. Not so simple on US To Fire Up Big Offshore Wind Energy Projects · · Score: 1

    There was a documentary I thought captured Kennedy's position on such matters-- I forget the name but it was on PBS and was almost entirely about fishing on the east coast.

    The community along the coast strongly opposed everything; they were well organized and related everything to impacting the local economy which would pull in other people as well. In the documentary, the fishing business lobby (mostly a group of small businesses) with their towns stopped fishing regulations designed to protect them.

    The result: Kennedy came to support them even after initially trying to talk a little bit of sense (which worried them a little bit.) He quickly changed tack and represented their interests and kept them happy; surely knowing that they were wrong and harming themselves. So, they continued to over fish and many of them went out of business because of the significantly lower fish population they created for themselves!

    This is where government doesn't work; that is, it works perfectly as it did in that case - it is the public its serving too well that are the problem. People have to learn to think ahead at their own short term expense.... Jobs are not everything...You don't have a right to a certain kind of job - there are real-world limitations that people will not recognize.

    From what I've read about the east coast wind farms is that it is the many fisherman groups and shipping groups opposing the stuff messing with their "way of life" who have access to money to fight the issue thanks to the rich land owners and the ever powerful tourism interests who are like minded on the issue.

    This is a GOOD sign because there are ways for honest government to do good despite its people. This is one of them - gather all the evidence and data to build a strong case to eventually move forward or at least win enough support that the politicians can afford to take the hit. If they can get other business interests involved they'll help provide a counter weight to the established moneyed interests. I've seen this done locally before - some civil servants don't give up and are well intentioned.

  21. 1 idea: on Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments · · Score: 1

    #Internet ID format:

    255 byte Unicode string (1 byte reserved for implementation eg: pascal prefix byte or C null byte)

    maximum character length determined by worst case UTF encoding. (42?)

    Anything allowed except an illegal character list (such as control characters) and a character map containing ambiguous characters such as the few kinds of quotation characters. Its the user's fault if they use things others can't type or remember.

    May want to ban a few URI reserved characters to avoid browser entry issues... but I'm not sure about that.

    I'd like some reserved symbol to prefix or postfix ALL IDs so we have a simple way to spot them; like how we have @ in emails. Something people can type.... I kind of like # as a prefix... (partially because of its use on numbering people; somewhat paying homage to those who'd oppose the concept of an internet ID. is "iID" going too far? Apple will sue...) The symbol wouldn't be part of the actual ID itself but would be a convention for identifying it...although forcing its use may be necessary (if you didn't need @ then a lot of people wouldn't type it.)

    A set of guidelines to making unique IDs that will last but no technical enforcement on these.

  22. Lets kill facebook! Here is how: on Internet Is Easy Prey For Governments · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't stand it... I'm going to help plant the seed since its taking too long and I'm busy (and can't see profit which I need more of today than goodwill.)

    Facebook is a walled garden. Unlike some other closed companies they will try to interconnect to survive as well as create as much lock in as possible but these APIs and contracts are purely business related and therefore are limited in their scope and adaptability (obviously the choke point is an issue.)

    This isn't microsoft, its merely a contact system with idiot proofed 'home pages' and addictive web games. Twitter is in a much better position; but it too is at risk for open or distributed alternatives (think if your email all had to go through hotmail.com how long that would have lasted... but today we are just fine with this??)

    An open set of protocols and secure IDs would provide a flexible completely open alternative to the centralized proprietary network. We could develop an application layer social internet to mirror how the internet killed off the private networks and their networking stacks. Facebook might live as a search engine / directory for these IDs like how google helps you find URLs - but it won't be the only place like it is now.

    I see something akin to openID but with PGP, GPG keys as well as contact and identification data available; each bit of data being encrypted with different keys. Your ID could float around openly and freely without the associated data and you could search for it among many catalogs and interlinking services -- plus private facebook like services - but you've be able to migrate or incorporate other services without deals between facebook and others. My email can be made public and people can find me but naturally it has spam issues - but I'm not talking about having open contact data with the IDs-- a high school can list student IDs without other data and your app can discover the connections.

    Sure there are privacy issues; not much worse than already being dealt with behind closed doors - security by obscurity (that is, obscure because you can't see inside facebook like you can an open system.) Governments likely are building/have social connection linking systems in addition to easy access to cutting edge corporate systems.

    The problem with email was spam; its a messaging system not a "permanent" reference like many people's cell phone number has become. This is where I'm not so keen on OpenID either... There are multiple issues each needing some serious thinking and design work-- unique IDs separate from your verified identity - search engines could find the ID over the web and you can find the ones who are the person-- they accept you and you've got a private social network which can securely be formed within that group to share data. I guess I'm for long numeric IDs like phone numbers; we can remember those.... besides you have directories to help find the numbers and if you place that number around with your name enough the connection will be made outside a formal 'networking' system. At least then I can see this John Doe is not that John Doe because their IDs differ (or he changed IDs losing all the benefits.) This lets you stamp things with your ID-- sure it can be faked-- let it! Authentication issues would be separated and optional.

    lots of options... john.doe.3546871 for example (ignoring changing names) but not to tie your ID to a 3rd party name like facebook.com, country, etc. duplicates are possible; can't avoid that-- its distributed and open- but since authentication is a side issue it doesn't matter. Your legal full name hasn't been good enough for generations already. Perhaps a simple string format... with recommendations on picking a more unique name (yet another service somebody could provide.)

    Multiple RFCs needed. Many creative uses are possible with multiple loosely coupled aspects of such a system. email integration means no facebook email; IM too; games too; authentication systems integration; certificate and domains; dating services; address/ema

  23. Re:Not funny - reality is more complicated on Sputnik Moment Or No, Science Fairs Are Lagging · · Score: 1

    Thinking people are not good consumers. Consume; do your job, be predictable.

    This is also heavily influenced by propaganda. You know it has to be BS when they don't want you not expose yourself to 'outside' influences.

  24. re :-( on Sputnik Moment Or No, Science Fairs Are Lagging · · Score: 1

    not much left to see... walmart... MS take over of CS... :-(
    thanx for the info

  25. Re:Kinect is not Microsoft innovation on The Microsoft High-Profile Exodus Continues · · Score: 1

    The concept goes mostly Nintendo; MS gets no credit. Kinect's method of implementing the general concept (and being more literal minded) is NOT that new. The implementation is new to the consumer market but the technology involved isn't that new or theirs. Seems like a logical cheapening of existing stuff.

    Innovation is a marketing term, there is little going on in the consumer sector and far more going on in universities than people realize.

    Prius - nope. not innovative from what I've seen; having followed that sort of thing for some time I didn't see anything clever outside the transmission design - quite clever and I've never thought of good uses for planetary gears... doesn't mean that somebody else hasn't thought of using them in a transmission... maybe they get some credit for that. But using a mix of gas and electric isn't new at all. The electronics system possibly, but that isn't my area.

    The wii has many games that are "too gimicky" but a lot of people don't get it-- the 1st party titles are not like the others.

    Power glove-- possibly your right; don't know other than I was a kid when it came out - not worth looking it up.