Not all packages have an rpm. This one did not. In fact not many at all had rpm installs back then. Thanks for the flame though. Made my day. It also showed what I meant about *nix users & their attitudes. *sigh*
Yeah I found out about the CTRL-ALT-BKSPCE awhile back but thanks for the tip. The problem is I'm hard locking...not just the GUI or the mouse...the whole machine stops responding. I think it could be a memory leak in Gnome. I know it's not an IRQ conflict. It only happens when I run more than 5 apps in Gnome at a time. This also happens (altho not quite as frequently) on another *nix box I have running FreeBSD with KDE.
Anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll get back on topic now;)
Thats what i mean too. If a car owner doesn't read his mail from Ford/Chevy or whoever it's the same as not reading that little popup that says you need to update. It's the same thing. I don't click on anything to be notified of updates. They come to me and I have the option of installing or ignoring when it automatically prompts me.
Between Windows and Redhat I find myself rebooting Redhat way more than my Windows 2K box due to it hard locking when I try to run too many Gnome apps. GUIs are still pretty buggy in *nix and ease of installation and running programs needs to be integrated. Once they get that right maybe more apps will be written for it.
There are just too many bugs. Using Redhat9 to connect to an NT4 share via Samba is buggy as hell. The first connection works great. After that I practically have to reboot to get back into the share again. I find that very user unfriendly. New users are mainly turned away when they can't even figure out how to install an app. I was really confused when I first started. I could download to my home directory & make a new folder to put it in, had to spend 15 minutes looking up how to unzip it with tar (man tar made it sound like it was only used for tape backups), went to the folder and stared blankly and the directory listing. It turned out I was supposed to know you have to type: make make depend make install OK did that....where the hell is it?
It's a long and rocky road to learn *nix and unfortunately/. shows how snobby and childish 99% of them are so finding help is almost impossible.
This is funny. An exploit comes out, MS puts out a patch,/.ers bash MS for not having it out in time. An exploit comes out, MS puts out a critical update weeks ahead of time,/.ers bash MS for needing a patch. A script kiddie brings Windows to it's knees,/.ers say it's ok because it was MS. A script kiddie attacks *nix,/.ers say "OMG they killed *nix! You bastards! Oh well it will be back in the next patch."
An exploit comes out for *nix, they put out a patch,/.ers praise them for patching it even if it comes out after the exploit has been used to vandalize *nix systems.
This attitude makes me hate *nix with a passion. If it's so great then learn to program and help them make my applications run on it. I have 2 flavors of *nix running at my house and I use the Windows machine 99% of the time.
Please go research this and retract your statements. If you think Autocad is the only product that will not run on a *nix platform you are sadly misinformed.
Wow talk about a Windows noob. Go to control panel, double click on the automatic updates icon, and set it to notify you of critical updates.
They do so at the expense of their own bandwidth and this is available immediately to all Windows users (unlike Redhat auto-update that only gives you a month free).
I'm so sick of people with O/S blinders on. Look...Linux does the same crap to me. Update GPL or some other crap you have to do and break something else.
Can you provide software information like what version of what software broke when what update was installed? Funny, neither do any of the other anti-MS people. That's horrible administration to not keep details of conflicting software to prevent it from happening again. Seems to me the software that broke was poorly written since all other apps seemed to have kept trucking along. Otherwise we would have had a/. story about how MS was sued for bringing down everyone who used critical update. It hasn't happened.
If I write software that balances my checkbook but uses crappy programming based on the current version of windows only and suddenly xyz.dll is updated due to a security flaw in it, YAY MICROSOFT.....booooo me for requiring it....double booooo the admin who didn't update xyz.dll because he's an anti-MS freak.
Bottom line - the network admins who did not install this update or put critical systems on a secure LAN should be replaced with one of the hundreds of thousands of unemployed IT people with over a decade of experience.
I've been knocking on doors for a job since I was laid off on December 24th. It seems most of the hospitals have contracted out their IT positions rather than have them in-house.
Hey when I was a contractor I walked in, did what they asked me to do, then went on to the next job site. I didn't go around asking if they had seperate LANs for sensitive equipment because...well...I was paid salary and wanted to go home after my 10 hr day. I'm sure the current contractors feel the same way.
Being a local sysadmin/network admin is different. It's your baby, you get the call at 3am when things go bad, you make sure that doesn't happen. Too bad employers don't see that and I bet you this one still doesn't see it that way.
Especially when I have to reboot my "professionally administered by a multi-million dollar corporate ID deparment" work Window NT box at least weekly -- and I only use it to read my email! Flaky Microsoft garbage...
don't let the corporate administrator know you're calling him Flaky Microsoft garbage. Ohhh you meant NT...never mind.
Yeah but since it's slashdotted I have to ask, what would the price be if I have a 100% working Pentium 100 sitting around waiting for use? All it would need are the wireless cards, right?
Wow that's really horrible. Does that mean I'm an asshole too since I got drunk when I was 21? I wouldn't give a damn if my Dad was the president or not either if I just turnd 21 & wanted a drink. ESPECIALLY if I had a designated driver.
"Within five minutes, if I can get hold of her, this will come to an end," said Gordon Pate of Dana Point, Calif., when told by The Associated Press that a federal subpoena had been issued over his daughter's music downloads.
In other words....she's not answering the phone because the wrath of Dad is coming....heh.
Hell even Quicken is a game to me. Trying to keep the dollars from turning red is pretty hard. The bank monster eats even more of the dollars when it goes red and you have to make sure your character doesn't starve to death or go homeless.
P.S. don't play that game called Stock Market. It conflicts with the Quicken game.
The last Redhat update for the kernel left my kernel boot totally fried and I had to roll back to the old kernel. Is this the improvement you speak of?
I had a job where I had to do many updates manually. I blocked windowsupdate and downloaded the "critical update" for Internet Explorer or whatever the update was at the time which measured like 60Mb. Rather than have all users downloading this file over & over via the poor little T1 hosting hundreds of users I downloaded it once & pushed it out. Then I opened windowsupdate back up for use.
I can't stand people who can't even be bothered to re-read what their writing to make sure it makes since. I assume you mean sense? Because if you meant since it made no sense.
I am merely pointing out the apps that people are saying do not work with NAT which DO work.
1) true 2) this was my point in an earlier post 3) you could have saved 4 hrs of driving by hosting on your end. AIM file transfers are usually blocked at businesses anyway. For home use I'm running on satellite internet with a 10.x.x.x ip address externally and using XP internet connection sharing to a 192.168.0.x network. I have no firewall rules configured in my firewall to allow incoming connections and I can transfer files via aim/icq/yahoo, I can share files on kazaa, I can do lots of things people were listing as things that made NAT bad. I cannot host apps such as netmeeting or a game because I have no real IP but it doesn't stop me from playing or using it by attaching to someone who does have a real IP. Firewalls can be set up to allow everyone to use file transfers as well as other apps without it being on a per-user basis if it is configured correctly on a real firewall but hopefully not in a business environment.
Main point was that most of this did work and people were saying it didn't. It sounded alot like people were using PAT instead of NAT. If they were using one external IP using port tranlation then yeah...all of the apps listed so far would not work correctly.
I'm using XP and it does NOT do this on mine, my Moms, my boss's, my co-workers, my friends, or anyone elses that I know of. And yes I do pay attention to who's in admin group.
You missed my point. Read the first paragraph again & pay really close attention to the part about people saying it's inherently more secure out of the box and tell yourself "I will read before making an ass of myself next time". It was for those people.
Besides...same could be said about all those MS critical updates. So if you are right, I'm right back to my original subject title phrase.
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Not all packages have an rpm. This one did not. In fact not many at all had rpm installs back then. Thanks for the flame though. Made my day. It also showed what I meant about *nix users & their attitudes.
*sigh*
Yeah I found out about the CTRL-ALT-BKSPCE awhile back but thanks for the tip. The problem is I'm hard locking...not just the GUI or the mouse...the whole machine stops responding. I think it could be a memory leak in Gnome. I know it's not an IRQ conflict. It only happens when I run more than 5 apps in Gnome at a time. This also happens (altho not quite as frequently) on another *nix box I have running FreeBSD with KDE.
;)
Anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll get back on topic now
Thats what i mean too. If a car owner doesn't read his mail from Ford/Chevy or whoever it's the same as not reading that little popup that says you need to update. It's the same thing. I don't click on anything to be notified of updates. They come to me and I have the option of installing or ignoring when it automatically prompts me.
Between Windows and Redhat I find myself rebooting Redhat way more than my Windows 2K box due to it hard locking when I try to run too many Gnome apps. GUIs are still pretty buggy in *nix and ease of installation and running programs needs to be integrated. Once they get that right maybe more apps will be written for it.
/. shows how snobby and childish 99% of them are so finding help is almost impossible.
There are just too many bugs. Using Redhat9 to connect to an NT4 share via Samba is buggy as hell. The first connection works great. After that I practically have to reboot to get back into the share again. I find that very user unfriendly. New users are mainly turned away when they can't even figure out how to install an app. I was really confused when I first started. I could download to my home directory & make a new folder to put it in, had to spend 15 minutes looking up how to unzip it with tar (man tar made it sound like it was only used for tape backups), went to the folder and stared blankly and the directory listing. It turned out I was supposed to know you have to type:
make
make depend
make install
OK did that....where the hell is it?
It's a long and rocky road to learn *nix and unfortunately
This is funny. An exploit comes out, MS puts out a patch, /.ers bash MS for not having it out in time. An exploit comes out, MS puts out a critical update weeks ahead of time, /.ers bash MS for needing a patch. A script kiddie brings Windows to it's knees, /.ers say it's ok because it was MS. A script kiddie attacks *nix, /.ers say "OMG they killed *nix! You bastards! Oh well it will be back in the next patch."
/.ers praise them for patching it even if it comes out after the exploit has been used to vandalize *nix systems.
An exploit comes out for *nix, they put out a patch,
This attitude makes me hate *nix with a passion. If it's so great then learn to program and help them make my applications run on it. I have 2 flavors of *nix running at my house and I use the Windows machine 99% of the time.
Please go research this and retract your statements. If you think Autocad is the only product that will not run on a *nix platform you are sadly misinformed.
Wow talk about a Windows noob. Go to control panel, double click on the automatic updates icon, and set it to notify you of critical updates.
They do so at the expense of their own bandwidth and this is available immediately to all Windows users (unlike Redhat auto-update that only gives you a month free).
I hope you're not an admin.
I'm so sick of people with O/S blinders on. Look...Linux does the same crap to me. Update GPL or some other crap you have to do and break something else.
/. story about how MS was sued for bringing down everyone who used critical update. It hasn't happened.
Can you provide software information like what version of what software broke when what update was installed? Funny, neither do any of the other anti-MS people. That's horrible administration to not keep details of conflicting software to prevent it from happening again. Seems to me the software that broke was poorly written since all other apps seemed to have kept trucking along. Otherwise we would have had a
If I write software that balances my checkbook but uses crappy programming based on the current version of windows only and suddenly xyz.dll is updated due to a security flaw in it, YAY MICROSOFT.....booooo me for requiring it....double booooo the admin who didn't update xyz.dll because he's an anti-MS freak.
Bottom line - the network admins who did not install this update or put critical systems on a secure LAN should be replaced with one of the hundreds of thousands of unemployed IT people with over a decade of experience.
I've been knocking on doors for a job since I was laid off on December 24th. It seems most of the hospitals have contracted out their IT positions rather than have them in-house.
Hey when I was a contractor I walked in, did what they asked me to do, then went on to the next job site. I didn't go around asking if they had seperate LANs for sensitive equipment because...well...I was paid salary and wanted to go home after my 10 hr day. I'm sure the current contractors feel the same way.
Being a local sysadmin/network admin is different. It's your baby, you get the call at 3am when things go bad, you make sure that doesn't happen. Too bad employers don't see that and I bet you this one still doesn't see it that way.
Will someone record this & put it on kazaa for me?
Especially when I have to reboot my "professionally administered by a multi-million dollar corporate ID deparment" work Window NT box at least weekly -- and I only use it to read my email! Flaky Microsoft garbage...
don't let the corporate administrator know you're calling him Flaky Microsoft garbage. Ohhh you meant NT...never mind.
Yeah but since it's slashdotted I have to ask, what would the price be if I have a 100% working Pentium 100 sitting around waiting for use? All it would need are the wireless cards, right?
I think you're still in an area with competition. It's $58 for a DSL line that's barely over ISDN speeds here. In excess of $100 for full speed.
Wow that's really horrible. Does that mean I'm an asshole too since I got drunk when I was 21? I wouldn't give a damn if my Dad was the president or not either if I just turnd 21 & wanted a drink. ESPECIALLY if I had a designated driver.
The poor girl. Their family can't afford television if they haven't seen the news since the Napster lawsuits. She deserves free music. ;) j/k
"Within five minutes, if I can get hold of her, this will come to an end," said Gordon Pate of Dana Point, Calif., when told by The Associated Press that a federal subpoena had been issued over his daughter's music downloads.
In other words....she's not answering the phone because the wrath of Dad is coming....heh.
Moderators,
How is this Insighful?
Hell even Quicken is a game to me. Trying to keep the dollars from turning red is pretty hard. The bank monster eats even more of the dollars when it goes red and you have to make sure your character doesn't starve to death or go homeless.
P.S. don't play that game called Stock Market. It conflicts with the Quicken game.
I thought that was for resting mana faster.
The last Redhat update for the kernel left my kernel boot totally fried and I had to roll back to the old kernel. Is this the improvement you speak of?
I had a job where I had to do many updates manually. I blocked windowsupdate and downloaded the "critical update" for Internet Explorer or whatever the update was at the time which measured like 60Mb. Rather than have all users downloading this file over & over via the poor little T1 hosting hundreds of users I downloaded it once & pushed it out. Then I opened windowsupdate back up for use.
I can't stand people who can't even be bothered to re-read what their writing to make sure it makes since.
I assume you mean sense? Because if you meant since it made no sense.
I am merely pointing out the apps that people are saying do not work with NAT which DO work.
1) true
2) this was my point in an earlier post
3) you could have saved 4 hrs of driving by hosting on your end.
AIM file transfers are usually blocked at businesses anyway. For home use I'm running on satellite internet with a 10.x.x.x ip address externally and using XP internet connection sharing to a 192.168.0.x network. I have no firewall rules configured in my firewall to allow incoming connections and I can transfer files via aim/icq/yahoo, I can share files on kazaa, I can do lots of things people were listing as things that made NAT bad. I cannot host apps such as netmeeting or a game because I have no real IP but it doesn't stop me from playing or using it by attaching to someone who does have a real IP. Firewalls can be set up to allow everyone to use file transfers as well as other apps without it being on a per-user basis if it is configured correctly on a real firewall but hopefully not in a business environment.
Main point was that most of this did work and people were saying it didn't. It sounded alot like people were using PAT instead of NAT. If they were using one external IP using port tranlation then yeah...all of the apps listed so far would not work correctly.
I'm using XP and it does NOT do this on mine, my Moms, my boss's, my co-workers, my friends, or anyone elses that I know of. And yes I do pay attention to who's in admin group.
You missed my point. Read the first paragraph again & pay really close attention to the part about people saying it's inherently more secure out of the box and tell yourself "I will read before making an ass of myself next time". It was for those people.
Besides...same could be said about all those MS critical updates. So if you are right, I'm right back to my original subject title phrase.