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Digitized Gutenberg Bible Available
Prince_Ali writes "A digital copy of the Gutenburg Bible, the first major Western book printed from movable type, has been made available by The University of Texas, available through the Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center. The Ransom Center's copy of the Bible is claimed to be the finest in the world, and is now freely available to anyone who would like to examine it. More information can be found via this CNN.com article."
/.ing this site is blasphemous.
wow, who would of thought the ability to see this work of art is as rare today as when it was first printed.
it's a very breathtaking and wonderful object to view.
Mike
UT is my school. It is waaay underrated as a geek school. It's the #5 engineering school in the country, but no one ever mentions it. They have a lot of projects like this going (plus way geekier ones, like the robot soccer team that recently won a championship, the mechanical engineer's indy car team, and petrol's rig in the basement thing). Hook 'em horns.
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The Gutenberg Bible is definitely a work of art and a historical treasure, but as a study Bible it falls quite short.
To begin with it's all in Latin. Seeing as how Latin is not quite the popular language as it used to be, it is doubtful that a student would be understanding the nuances and meanings of the GB.
Also, it is simply not available to the general public. While this digitization of it goes a long way to providing easier access to the book, it remains largely inaccessible to those who live in foreign countries without easy access to Internet (those who would probably best be served by having Bible access).
Finally, the Gutenberg Bible does not have an easily accessible concordance. There is a lot of cross referencing that needs to be done to truly understand the teachings of the Bible and the fact that Gutenberg Bible owners won't let you touch the things, much less write in the margins, means that you are pretty much hamstrung as far as study goes.
If you are truly serious about studying the Bible as a living book, and not as a museum piece, then pick up a New King James or NIV version. These are easily readable and accurately reflect centuries of scholarship.
Of what I heard, Gutenberg made the movable type so he could make books cheaper. But he also made the "Publishers' Guild" and wreaked what he could have made known to the public.
He put back knowledge for 100 years by allowing of such a guild that muchg power.
Praise Jesus!
Don't forget that you can see the real deal at the entrance of the Harry Ransom Center. Of course, it's beneath a protective case and you can't turn any pages, but nothing beats seeing the real thing. And there are plenty of other wonderful works of art at the Ransom Center.
Now I have a reason to take my comp to church!
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A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
... Imagine the time spent on a project like this. By doing this, it opens wide the possibility for a younger generation (the "internet generation" as it were) to really consider going into history, anthropology and many other studies that could easily be drown out by this IT boom, which is going on now.
Kudos to all involved in the project
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The Library of Congress (Jefferson Building, IIRC) has a copy on display. (Yep, that's me). Closeup available here
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Hey Anonymous Coward,
The 80's called. They want their Steve Guttenberg joke back.
-my other sig is your mom
I already read it, what else you got?
I started to read that as Nine Inch .. Vails?
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Latin? Nuh-uh.
Who said nothing good comes from Texas?
:)
Well.. one is more than zero, right?
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
Are you insane? This is probably one of the most valueable books in existance - there are only like 3 fully intact ones surviving.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Excuse my ignorance, it is a wonderfully crafted document, but why go to all the trouble of digitizing a document that you can barely read the digital version of. It might just be my eyes, but its awufully hard to read the text even in latin!
My 2c
Anyone can scan an entire book as a bunch of JPG's. Give me a .lit or ebook format and I'll be impressed!
The question is will having slashdot link to this site get more converts than if they made a web banner or pop up ad? (or worse one of those on page pop ups?)
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to make illegal copies of my words and destroy my IP rights. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
Yours etc.
Supreme non existent being
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
I knew it, God is a blogger!!!
Wait, cowboyneal uses Movable Type. Hmmmmmm.
~~~
Also...
Finally....
it's all in Latin.
Unfortunately, I think the Latin part is a show-stopper here for amateurs interested in learning about the Bible's history and various versions.
I welcome the digitization and fully agree with the parent post, but I think the Latin bit is, alas, asking too much of today's readers.
Maybe there's a dual-text, original-plus-translation, annotated version available online. Now THAT would be supercool!
This Like That - fun with words!
Further reproduction of any of the Gutenberg Bible images without the written consent of the Ransom Center is prohibited.
So much for a free press and research materials.. This is such a load of crap. The largest images publicly available are 835x600.
Inquiries regarding the availability of higher-resolution digital images for research or publication should be directed to the Center's staff.
All this from a public university. Your tax dollars at work!
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
I've read this book, and even got my own free review copy. This is the author's first work and thus it's hard to know what to expect. The book is inconsistent, hard to follow and fails to have a basic plot line. Some passages might be used for quotes, but overall the book needs a rewrite and it's apparent that no editorial job has been done.
The author seems to be didactic and often instead of retelling the stories tells his/her own opinion on what the readers should do with their life. Such style is permissible with self-help or political literature whereas Bible is somewhere in between Spiritual and Science Fiction sections.
Overall I would suggest waiting for the movie and perhaps a re-write. The end of the book is sort of a spoiler since everyone does. The author looks promising, however, I do not see Bible hitting the NYT best-seller list any time soon.
I used a digital camera w/ no flash -- photoshoped the picture later to add a little brightness.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
THank goodness for years I have been relying on dilbert comics as a religious alternative ~
Good thing God isn't around anymore. I'm sure He'd be pissed about the copyright infringement.
The NKJV and NIV are nice (I prefer the KJV for the fluidness of old english) but the Gutenberg has the historical value.
Ester in the OT was the first to take the holy scriptures and put them on paper so that everyone could read them. Nothing was hidden. Everyone knew what the priests did. Everyone knew the temple. Everyone knew the ceremonies. There were no secrets. Nothing ever was really hidden from the people. But the fact it was now openly in writting instead of just oral tradition was an enormously big deal.
Then the Catholic church came and decided to take the scriptures away from the people and to try to hide the ceremonies and teachings forcing people to just trust the words of the priests. And even today they try to hide the actions of their priests.
Luther came along and destroyed their control by doing what Ester had done long before. He gave the Bible back to the people so THEY could determine what was the truth and what wasn't without having to rely on a priest.
"Finally, the Gutenberg Bible does not have an easily accessible concordance. There is a lot of cross referencing that needs to be done to truly understand the teachings of the Bible"
The Bible, like all things takes time to understand. You can rely on others to teach you or teach yourself. Or both as many do. But the idea is that you can read along with the teacher to make sure they're not putting words in God's mouth.
The Gutenburg Bible isn't so much valuable as just a Bible. There are many many Bibles that all say the same thing. It's valuable because of what it represents. A man without study guides and without a concordance who made it his duty to learn what it taught and who made sure anyone and everyone would be able to have that same opportunity. It represents a religion that was no longer based on secrets. And even more secularly it represents the struggle to make information freely available to all.
They're very expensive but Gutenburg Bibles translated to English (with Luther's original notes I believe) have been available for years. So if you want one to study with they're there.
Ben
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One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Someone else commented that there are a lot more intact ones than three, and I was *sure* I had read that number somewhere. I think it was on the plaque of the one I saw at the LOC.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Yeah, well the jerk store called and they want you back.
...but as a study Bible it falls quite short.
Is this the beginning of your strawman argument? Nobody suggested it is a study bible. You threw that out there and you then proceed to back up your blatantly incorrect assertion.
Also, it is simply not available to the general public.
Again, it's not meant to be. Unless the public is clamoring for a latin text, what does it matter that it's only available to those with internet access? The images aren't large enough (even the enlarged ones) to really read comfortably even if you are fluent in latin.
Finally, the Gutenberg Bible does not have an easily accessible concordance.
You mean it has no concordance? Dude, this is of archeological signicance only. Nobody in their right mind would learn latin so that they could study this thing. I get the feeling by now that you're simply trolling, but seeing that you got a +5 Informative, I feel compelled to respond.
the fact that Gutenberg Bible owners won't let you touch the things, much less write in the margins, means that you are pretty much hamstrung as far as study goes.
Dude, I can write in the margins. My Jiffy marker shows up great on my monitor screen, and it's always there for me. And as for being hamstrung, does my lack of speaking Latin hamstring me too?
If you are truly serious about studying the Bible as a living book, and not as a museum piece, then pick up a New King James or NIV version.
On this point I have to agree. This is a museum piece and isn't great for studying. After all, looking up Psalm 137:9 in King James Version is much more eloquent:
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
Gives it a nice Shakespearean quality I'd say. But if you're not into that, the NIV is a lot clearer:
"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
Nothing quite says God Loves You like a little bit of infant seizing and rock dashing.
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It is nice they put this thing online, but it is nothing else than a marketing gag for mmore funds or something.
at the current size it is totally useless, you click on enlarge image - and you get an image at a size where it is barely readable. am i supposed to use a magnification glass on my screen or something? If you do it, do it right (read: at right size) or leave it.
Overrated is for pansy assed moderators who don't want to hurt their own karma by going out on a limb and assigning -1 Troll, -1 Offtopic, or -1 Flamebait.
So which one would you put on the parent post? Don't wimp out with -1 overrated.
Can I get one from Project Gutenburg?
Goddamn their ASCII Text Files, what are they going to do to preserve really typseting / formating
Photos.
I read that number somewhere - I didn't pull it out of thin air. Someone else pointed out, probably saving my sanity, that there are 3 intact copies *in the US*. So the number was right, I just forgot one of the details :)
Rather than use this as a bible reference, a better source is the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. That'll give you the true dope on the [ahem] "Good" book.
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the usability is ridiculous
The quality of the image could be better.
I mean attempting to actually study this
(granted you have the need/desire to, and have polished latin abilities) you couldn't. This should be done in a methond similar to that of the MILLION BOOK PROJECT, using something like DJVU, which yes I know is proprietary, but has true readable digital document capabilites and is highly optimized (file size) for web based documents.
In a related story, God is suing Johannes Gutenberg ...
I've found that my posts don't format quite right w/o a sig.
I couldn't care less about this bullshit.
UT claims that it performed the copying in good faith, assuming that the 15th century work had lapsed into the public domain. Counsel for the RIAA, however, claims that a clause in the Sonny Bono Copyright Act written in invisible ink reestablishes the copyright.
In a joint press release, the RIAA and the agent for the work's author, one Johannes Gutenberg, have declared "This is a gross violation of intellectual ownership rights. Although the RIAA is traditionally concerned with the trading of music files, this development transves a slipery slope. Unless this latest instance of file sharing is halted in its tracks, we will see a wholesale distribution of the Word of God. Without immediate action, we will see copies this holy scripture in every church, library, and hotel room nightstand throughout this great land."
God, the author of the work, nor Mr. Harry Ransom were unavailable for comment.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Yeah, well you're their biggest seller!
Mikey-San
Karma: +Eleventy billion (mostly affected by watching Celebrity Jeopardy)
We've also got the World's First Photograph here at the ol' HRC. And Lewis Carrol's eyeglasses. Woo-hoo! Oh, and the ancient tome was exposed to a great deal of light in the scanning process (it took 4 days to scan, a year to prep for the web), which was done with a $40k-ish fancy-schmancy no-touching-the-priceless-relic thingamajig. Hopefull it'll get used to scan in other old printed things, like teh medival pr0n.
Ceci n'est pas un post.
A man went to a rare book shop and noticed an old bible on display. He struck up a conversation with the book shop owner.
"Yeah, actually, I had an old bible which I threw out last week. It was by someone called Guten... something."
"Not Gutenberg, I hope?"
"Yeah, that's the one."
Upon seeing the look on the book shop owner's face, the man replied:
"Ah, don't worry. It wasn't worth anything. Some guy called Martin had scribbled in it."
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They can't do a Beowulf cluster because it's incompatable with Vikings.
Better get them quick... The way the RIAA and our geniuses in Congress think you never can tell whether this might prompt them to extend copyright protection to 600 years!
Oh, and you had better stash away all those other "unauthorized" copies you have too!
Please don't lump Catholics and Protestants in the same category.
I hate the Catholics, but there's a big difference there.
-uso.
Dreams, dreams, don't doubt dreams, dreaming children's dreaming dreams. Sailor Moon SS
I don't like the ending in many of those Bible stories. Can I rewrite them? Goliath pummles David, The walls of Jerico stay up, the Tower of Babble works, Eve does the Wild Thing with a snake, and the Isrealites die at the edge of the sea after Moses gets Carple Tunnel trying to command it to part.
Hey, the Mormons made their own Bible, why can't I? What does Joseph Smith have that I don't? (well, maybe a loyal following and charisma, but those are overrated. Aren't they?)
Table-ized A.I.
...that SCO is not claiming any rights on that digital copy of the bible?
Hmmm, it looks to me like they missed the page at the beginning that reads:
Yaz.
How many times have I told you kids? No coffee in the digitizing lab!
<a href="http://www.joblessjimmy.com">Work is dumb and so is Jobless Jimmy.</a>
"let's see an open source version of this ... "
You mean like this?
Well, looks like I won't have to snatch any more Bibles from hotel rooms.
It's the *Ransom* center.
this is the first copy of the Bible to use the word "sucker".
And the British one actually has images with a high enough resolution that you can read it. (That is, if your Latin isn't at the level of a three year old Roman.)
Tim
Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
"All this from a public university. Your tax dollars at work!"
What tax dollars? I'm one of these guys
Bible, schmible! I much prefer Guttenberg's movie.
"Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
Kids! Kids! Quiet down, or I'm turning this forum around, and going back home.
In the 28th century, some graduate student doing a research paper on the state of learning in the 21st century.
"As you can plainly see, although it took a team of editors to select stories, it often took many others complaining about misprints and something they called 'dupes'. While the former is obvious, it remains a mystery as to what the latter is"
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
While the web jpgs aren't exactly the best, it's not quite a waste of time and money just yet. CDs are being stamped as we speak (speak?) in TIF format (I think). If serious scholars want them, they can have them. More of interest to them is what's written in the margins from 500 years of ownership.
The common schmuck will be pleased just to observe the general detailing. I know I am.
(Side note: I'm the son of Mr. Oram, the guy in the article. If that helps.)
First, I'd like to know what the editors are doing, I had that story 8 hours before...
* 2003-07-23 22:57:45 Gutemberg's bible digitized (yro,books) (rejected)
of course, it got rejected without explanation...
The second thing is that, as I said in that submission, something isn't right... If you read the pages where you can see one of the bible's page, you can read the following legalese.
"Further reproduction of any of the Gutenberg Bible images without the written consent of the Ransom Center is prohibited.
Inquiries regarding the availability of higher-resolution digital images for research or publication should be directed to the Center's staff."
What does that mean, considering this book is old enough to belong to all of humanity, hence these images should be useable by any one for any purpose ?
Don't forget the New American Standard translation, the other major English translation.
I've recently become pretty keen on the NET Bible. It is a fairly new modern translation by a group of scolars, designed for free distribution on the Internet. (I'm still a bit disappointed with their "license", but it's better than most other modern translations. I think there needs to be a good readable modern translation that is as "free" as the KJV.)
Anyway, the NET Bible contains over 50,000 translators notes, some of which are quite useful in determining what the original text likely means. Then there are historical notes and other study notes. Definitely recommended.
Why would a university bother putting up illegible material on the web?
_khl
Have any one heard about diffrent versions of Quran. Thats why whe call islam as the Universal Religion For users who have any problems with muslims and relate it with terroism i would ask them to visit http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/quran/ and look in to the translation and tell me does islam allows terrorism ??
Here's the 2048x1536 original. That should be suffecient for reading. (The blurriness comes from the glass, by the way - you can even see a reflection in it)
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
at least 33 wives.
I'm a member of a group working to support political candidates who protect the rights of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people. I was just wondering if this new version of the Bible has anything in it we can use in our campaign. The conservative right keeps coming up with these passages to support their point of view, so could anyone point me to some ammunition we can use?
I saw this and thought that a bible had been written by bloggers using MT. Time for caffine I think
Rus
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and there's a twist ending, too, but it's pretty boring.
i recommend "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, it is much more accurate.
i'm not usually a praying man, but if you're out there, please help me superman.
Steve Guttenberg announced that the new campaign to stop piracy of his movies was a complete success.
He was overjoyed to see that nobody had made efforts to share digital copies of his critically acclaimed, multi-award winning blockbuster movies online.
I know, I probably paid too much for it, but I thought this would be a really geeky thing to have. Plus the seller said it was in excellent condition.
When I got the GB, I was all excited. The covers were beautiful, the pages had no dog-earing at all. But then I opened it up, and I was SHOCKED at the condition.
Some ASSHOLE named Martin Luther scribbled all over it !!!
Now the seller won't give me money back, so I left him negative feedback and I'm thinking of starting a boycott.
I'm a big enough fan that I actually paid for the e-Sword CD. It's only $15 for almost everything.
For online Bible reference, check out the ultimate Bible search engine.
In this version, is Johnny Five the fifth one of the twelve disciples?
One ticket to hell please...
Go directly to Hell. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect £200. Going down...
The Publishers association of america sues the University of Texas and Johannes Gutenberg
For blatant copyright infringement on their Book, the Jesus a man and his age.
George moneysack, the official spokesperson of the PUAA told us in an official statement:
We cannot tolerate this blatant copyright infringement, parts of our book were copied even entire sections by this pirates and put onto the internet. We do not know this Gutenberg guy yet, but we cannot tolerate such a behavior.
*** Now!!! *** Own your own copy of the Gutenberg Bible ***
Printed in high resolution on photo quality plain paper, bound in leather-looking plastic embossed with original cover design.
***Added Bonus*** The Gutenberg Bible companion (English/Latin Dictionary)
*** NO RESERVE ***
Current Bid:__________$ 50.00
Your Maximum Bid: [_________]
[Place Bid->]
Disclaimer: Not a real item, but give it a week and I'll bet some plonker tries it.
Good letter. If I had mod points I'd mod you up myself.
It's no Cal, though.
You can probably safely ignore it. If it's simply an accurate scan of the pages, then it is simply a reproduction of someone else's work (namely, Gutenberg's), not an independent creative work, and as such is only subject to Gutenberg's copyright, not an independent copyright. As the original copyright has obviously long expired, you can safely reproduce the work.
A similar principle applies to ignoring claims of copyright on digitized paintings painted before 1923 -- if it's simply an accurate copy of the painting, only the original (expired) copyright is in effect.
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a few years ago one paper, one vellum. Both copies are online in a readable form ( 1045 / 2048 ) and can be viewed side by side. See them here They actually constitute a usefull research tool in this form as all the text including margin notes is readable via the web, assuming you can read latin of course. It's always nice to see things like this being put up on the web for all to use, but the texas copy one is a little redundant in this instance.
If you are truly serious about studying the Bible as a living book, and not as a museum piece, then pick up a New King James or NIV version. These are easily readable and accurately reflect centuries of scholarship.
The New King James is indeed a very accurate translation. Where there are new discoveries about translation technique, it is revised, openly. The translation is not biased by doctrinal beliefs. It's probably the most trusted and reliable translation.
Reading the Greek NT with a good lexicon is a good way to get the meaning of some words that are not rendered in English easily. It also gives you the ability to verify the integrity of a translation. The NKJV is pretty solid.
Here is my beef though:
As far as I can tell, people who often make loud uneducated criticisms questioning the accuracy and authenticity of the scripture, often (not always) in reality the actual issue is that they take exception to the content (message) of the scripture, and not the actual translation itself.
No matter what they say. I'll always think that Jesus was just some cool hippie dude with psycic powers like David Blaine that was completely and utterly misunderstood in those primitive times. He tried to tell them something and they took it completely wrong. Now we've got this little story book with lots of names and places and a couple of rules, but nothing really makes any sense. And some people take it way too seriously, IMHO.
Maybe you think I'll get flamed in hell...
"I used to have that really cool,funny sig
Gutenberg digital has been online for quite a while. I thought one point of digitizing something is that you have to do it only once. Is this a case of DRM, NIH or just plain ignorance?
Man,
I just read this books and boy does its main character (some latino guy called Heyzoos El Christ) get a hard time of it!
I beleve there is a sequel being written by Steven King at the moment.
I hope all goes well for the main character, he seemed to have a pretty cool view of things (but man, don't fsck with his dad!!)
Also some tips on carpentry in the later chapters..
I give it 4 Stars..
Burma?
the bible = the codex of bullshit
:)
its an amusing reflection on humanity, if a little sad that it gets so much attention
So, if it's available, surely somebody's got a bittorrent for it?
http://www.zondervanbibles.com/0310929555.htmr e is an excellent study bible.
He
Reading this morning I found out it has been revised and am getting ready to buy a new one. Probably from
Amazon or similiar.
The best way to ruin your hobby is to try to make a living at it. Waiting on the paperless office since 1997
http://prodigi.bl.uk/gutenbg/default.asp
(the JS doesn't seem to work on Moz - go to here for first page.
There's a whole lot of digitized early books and manuscripts out there. For one thing, there are no copyright issues, and they can often be the biggest hurdle in a digitization project. Check out some of our digitized material.
...it was actually big enough to read the damn thing.
Also, in the British Museum version you can enlarge the pages enough so you can actually read them.
That's an important point if it is actually intended to make the thing available to view online. I had a look at the UT Gutenberg bible online version. I couldn't see much of the detail (for example on the bookplate on the inside front cover) -- not enough to decipher it on my 1024x768 17" screen anyway.
I thought Steve Gutenberg was funny in "Police Academy" and "Three Men and a Baby". With all the movies he puts out, when did he have time to write a bible?
If you have to wave your school like a badge, then perhaps you can't stand on your own merit. In reality, what school you went to means only so much. A student who worked hard and went beyond the curriculum to learn things in a middle-tier engineering school will quite likely be a better engineer than a guy who just followed the coursework in a top-flight school. No one ever asks what college Thomas Edison went to.
apologies for pegging onto your highly rated comment, but I wanted to let people know that Gutenberg was not the first guy with movable type -- it was the Chinese/Koreans (depends on what you consider moveable enough)
For a bit of history, see this page which says the the Chinese started with ceramic type, and the Koreans took metal type into a new level...
Korean metal print block
this guy talks about how Gutenberg might have been the first to mass produce MT - that could be a first (I don't know, either).
there is no thing
what else could you want?
I certainly wouldn't mind a GPL-ed bible. I'd be more than happy to release my modifications to the world...
*evil grin*
Who wants to look at the tired old Bible that's been the tool of suppression and torture for hundreds of years? Not me!
That's why I created The Bible Re-Write Project. Drop by and change your favorite (or least favorite!) verse. It's free and fun!
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
Duh... here's the url http://www.mzla.com/bible
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
It won't be available once Congress extends the Sonny Bono Copyright Act to 800 years after the author's death.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
HOOKEM HORNS!
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey . . .
Main Entry: 1 dupe
Pronunciation: 'düp also 'dyüp
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Middle French duppe, probably alteration of huppe hoopoe
Date: 1681
: one that is easily deceived or cheated : FOOL
Has anyone noticed that the English translation of certain selected passages appear to have a decided slant toward Jehovah's Witnesses? I had always though the Latin word "dominus" was a regular noun meaning "lord" or "master", not a proper name.
Right now, the site tells us "Hey, we've got a copy of a famous book. See, we took pictures. And we have a website, too. Sorry you can't actually study the text from where you sit. Guess the technology just isn't there yet."
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
He tried to print an English translation of the Bible, and had to work in secret in several places to get it done. When he returned home he was executed.
Agreed, nothing ever has only one cause, and he attracted negative attention for being Protestant, but the biographies I've seen say that the Church opposed his work even before they knew what he was going to put in his commentaries.
There are a number of differences between the Gutenberg Press and what MT the East Asians invented. Also, it is often claimed that MT came to Gutenberg from East Asia, and there is no evidence of this. From what I know, I would think that Gutenberg's type was an independent creation. There ARE other earlier examples of primitive European printing, I believe called Xylography (woodblock printing).
Just as an example--we know for sure that paper as a concept was invented in the East and slowly moved West largely via Arab traders and the Islamicate civilizations. Yet by the 15th century AD European paper was signifigantly better than Chinese paper at the same time (many scholars argue that this, and a literacy rate higher than anywhere else in the world are what made Gutenberg's Press a reality). Paper is a clear example of a technology which was invented in the East, moved West, and was improved (essentially made feasible) by the West. I simply don't see any analogues for MT.
Further reproduction of any of the Gutenberg Bible images without the written consent of the Ransom Center is prohibited.
It appears that you cannot copy this copy of the OLDEST TYPESET BOOK ON THE PLANET. I mean jeezus (heh), they've copyrighted a photocopy of something that was in the public domain centuries before the existence of copyright laws?
The mouse would be proud.
Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!
A WikiBible seems like a good idea.. And since many Internet geeks see themselves as gods anyway it would still be the word of god, kinda..
OU all the way!
Check out:
http://bible.com/bible_read.html
Sorry guys, its in ASP...
http://www.greatsite.com/bookvault/over15k.html
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, and shall not distribute the entire source of his additions as well as these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
I'm not even sure UT Austin would count in the top 5 engineering schools in Texas
Rice, A&M, even UTArlington rate higher. Now go out of the state and you get Stanford, MIT - there's your 5, right there.
In True Type?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
jpsowin,
You are making a mistake in your judgment. A mistake altogether; people who follow Jesus do not judge, that's what Jesus will do when he returns. You claim the personage in your reply is a sinner. You imply that it is not true that we are all sinners. Again, only an implication. Above all, the personage you reply to is not aware of being a sinner; thus does not know right from wrong, hence has no will to repent from any transgression imposed upon others. As a animal? Deep down, they don't know they are wrong. We both know we are sinners, that doesn't mean the personage you reply to accepts being a sinner. The person you reply to denies Jesus, neither does that person know any Christ to forgive sin or any transgression of any kind in that matter; being in great danger to what or for what service does the person you reply to offer? They will not read the Bible, this is an evil generation. There is no shame aware of, in the referenced evil generation. The person you are replying to is enjoying belief in nothing, is not ashamed, and expressly does not look to Jesus Christ; a false Christ has conspired to taint the Son of God; is why the persion you reply to is acting as though. Don't be bothered, people as such are cannon fodder for their own undoing. You have been tricked! You have been trolled by the influence of a devil, brother! The person you replied to is of another venue and sin is not possible, acceptance of a mark of the beast; only commerce through fiat money.
Be careful, Brother/Sister jpsowin! Evil walks around us! Don't let any markings of the body affect your spiritual relationship with the Father in Heaven. The strategy you need to seek in the moment of confronting such a personage is that of Truth. The personage you responded to is in direct harmony with nothing (an atheism) that hath masqueraded with one of Satan's devils. Yes, Atheism is a Church, run by one of Satan's devils! They believe in nothing, what better lie can be manufactured in order to create direct opposition to the Father in Heaven?
My adversary is every demon sent at me, at the moment it is the UNITED STATES (corporation). For Satan's demons operate under color of law to fool God-fearing people into thinking the united States of America is the United States (corporation) to deprive me of my Church (Bible is my Constitution)! Know now, the united States of America lay vacant, the treachery and deceit of the UNITED STATES hath been built ontop of the original united States of America wherefore the false doctrines act to d
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You might be interested to learn that the Library of Congress, certainly a taxpayer supported library, has made its copy of the Gutenberg available though a digital publication which costs $65 (soon to go up).
I would have to disagree that the enlarged images are unreadable. However, we plan to make a cd-rom of higher res images available in the near future."
Any suggestions on how to respond to these points?
Is it now open source as well? I think I've already found a few bugs.
What's in a sig?
You're kidding.
Literacy wasn't all that common back then. Books (or scrolls, if you go back far enough) were damn expensive - it wasn't "one scroll per person" in the early days, it was "one scroll per church". By the time of Luther, the world was divided into those who could read Latin and those who couldn't read anything - even so, there were 9 German translations before Luther was even born.
The Catholic "ceremonies" weren't hidden, they were mandatory, and a major part of them was - big surprise - reading the Bible, since the congregation wasn't capable of doing that for themselves.
PS, who's "Ester"?
There are other digital sources of Gutenberg (and other) facsimiles. For example, the Gottinger Gutenberg is online at http://www.gutenbergdigital.de/gudi/start.htm and can be purchased on CD at http://www.gutenbergdigital.de/gudi/order.htm (54 euros). Octavo (http://www.octavo.com/) is also a good source of very affordable digital editions on CD. Putting stuff on the internet for free is fun but hardly newsworthy.
Um.
WRONG!
Depending on the program, ME, EE, CE, ChE, PeE, AsE, etc. and graduate or undergrad, UT may or may not be #5.
However, I guarantee you that in no poll will you find Rice, TAMU, or UTA ranked higher, except possibly Petroleum, where OU, UT, and TAMU change 1,2,3 about every 5 years.
HOOKEM
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey . . .
- dead
.I think this is the best thing Gutenberg's done since "Three Men & a Baby"
ZAP
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
The same thing applies to our modern IT if we alow a monopoly to control the internet and communication software then we run the risk of it being censored. New inexpensive communication innovations will be supressed. Take the monopoly of Adobe on the idea of anti-aliased type fonts, this serves to keep the cost of software to create fonts up. And causes countries like China to pirate tech. Linux on their own type face font tech is what is happening as rightly it should. There is no huge market for MS/INTEL/ADOBE technology in China because few of us had the foresite to innovate for the rest of the world.
The innovations in communication that are really fascinating are language translation data base queiry software models. Babel fish is a start but there is one hell of a long way to go. That is what the brilliant young minds of today should work on. For instance better translations to get around the sense that one is being commanded in the German language not requested, the word please is often implied in the syntax but not necessary. This causes a huge amount of missunderstanding, and friction with our polite English sentiments.
Mandarin Chinese and other eastern languages will be an incredible challenge but that is what it is all about! Separating the software into regional dialect is possible but will take international co-operation and like a project Gutenberg cannot be exclusive. So the fact that Gutenberg was an early rennaisance capitolist should come as no supprise. Maybe Bill and todays other shake and bake instant billionaires will open their wallet like Andrew Carnaige did, we can only hope.
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!