You are attempting to superimpose your laws and morals on a regime that observes none of them. Everything is a crime in North Korea, and respecting the dictator's rights were he to live under our laws is nonsensical. One could make a pretty strong argument that anything done to undermine the regime there is morally just.
To directly address your rhetorical point:
Crime is okay if the victim is nuts?
It is perfectly fine to strip away the rights of a person if they are nuts in a way that endangers society.
I think that is an example of demonising the enemy.
The man is just about as close to a demon as a mortal can get.
Furthermore, this project is very interesting because they are co-creating both a new language and a new web renderer. It's conceivable, if not certain, that the new language will be better-suited to building a web framework than C++. If we're lucky, it will also solve other problems with a similar set of challenges.
Worst case, this little experiment goes nowhere. Even if the project is abandoned, we might learn some great ideas to feed back into other languages.
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It's been shown time and again that higher education pays dramatically well. Taken in whole, the money we (the people) stand to make in tax revenue on highly qualified personnel is ridiculously greater than the cost of education.
Why wouldn't we also provide seed money for corporations, then? After all, corporations are on balance profitable enterprises that will provide us with more tax revenue.
I think that government subsidies should be as limited as possible. Otherwise, you end up creating incentives that were unintentional. Look at the way Stafford Loans allowed colleges to become so built-out and expensive... the idea itself is sound, but the rising cost of college was unintentional. People are only just now getting wise to it - you saw the recent pressure on the for-profit universities as their graduates started defaulting on loans. The other universities won't be far behind if tuition continues to rise at these rates. A program designed to make college affordable to the middle and lower-middle class is instead burying that same demographic in debt and making the college equation less favorable.
My goodness, just Google "C++ Considered Harmful" and read the rants. We don't need to get into that whole argument again. The fact is that there are a whole bunch of very smart people who feel this way, and another similar group who disagree. It is possible that both groups are right - that C++ is good for a certain type of problem and a certain type of programmer, but just plain awful at other kinds of problems attacked by other types of programmers.
Some wheels are better for certain uses than others. For some things, you have pneumatic tires, for others, you have solid tires. Spokes can be made of wood, metal rods, plastic, metal castings, or stamped sheet metal. Sometimes you want a slick tread, sometimes you need channels for water, sometimes you need little spikes for traction. Creating one wheel design for all applications would result in an abomination.
Taking the syntax and some concepts from C++ and building upon them is not "reinventing the wheel" - it is building upon the decades of work and experience that went into creating C++. If the concepts behind Rust prove useful, then perhaps they can be incorporated into C++. If they are useful and can't be incorporated into C++, then we really do need another kind of wheel after all.
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I guess that is exactly what I am proposing, but I'm skeptical that you can cram the extra instruction into the existing timeframe. Sure, exceptional students can do it - but they are likely going to college anyhow. I'd like a system that captures something like the middle 50% on the bell curve. The top 25% are fine no matter what, and the bottom 25% is another problem with another whole set of solutions.
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Yes, you would have to end social promotion. This seems to be happening now anyway.
But the high school degree isn't worthless because of social promotion - it's worthless because the whole experience is geared towards the old manufacturing economy of the last century. Even the best students come out with a good mastery of basic concepts, but no training towards any sort of vocation except continuing their education. We have "vocational schools" that do a bit of that, but nothing on the scale of what is needed. My feeling is that if the major goal for the end of public education is "preparing kids for more education", then you have stopped too early. Getting prepared for more education should be something the exceptional students are doing.
Yes, my school had a co-op program, and I think it was a fantastic experience. While it was great to get money, the real benefit was finding out that I wanted to change majors after the first co-op! Since the co-op program was baked-in, we got three 6-month co-op terms starting our sophomore year.
I agree that it can be difficult to find work in a relevant field before you have a college degree. However, agreeing to do some unpaid intern work while enrolled in a community college is something that many companies would be amenable to. You'll come out ahead in the end, since I made nowhere near enough during my co-op to cover the costs of school.
Of course, if you are smart or athletic enough to get a free ride, the economics change:)
College isn't a scam, but you have to know what you want out of it. If you don't know what you want to do yet when you graduate high school, you should probably get some employment experience in fields that interest you. You should still take some base level courses at a community college (and do well in them)... all of the 101 courses will probably transfer into whatever you end up doing - but there's no sense in going into deep debt without a clear goal in mind.
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This is why Education should be funded by The People.
I agree... to a point. I think public education should be extended two years such that anyone can get an associates or technical degree for free. That seems to be where the sweet spot is these days in terms of return on investment. A high school diploma is more or less worthless these days. At this point in time, I don't think we should be funding people's advanced degrees.
It's not an option that has been pursued so far commercially. Nobody will build one of these.
If not for massive amounts of government money, I could say the same thing about wind and solar. They only make sense commercially when you factor in government subsidies. And that's fine - the same government could spend money developing breeders.
In the US they are still the primary way to pay. Even if I pay "online", the payment is often in the form of a check. For vendors that aren't signed up in their system, the bank even sends a check out via snail mail. For bank transfers, a ACH is often used, which is basically just an e-check.
Is it me or is the amount of information, when I look back through the history of the internet, that I get out of the 'net pretty much the same, just the traffic goes up?
I don't think you really considered the growth of information that is accessible now. In the mid or late 90s, we were still paying by check (and getting cancelled checks back!) - now we can take a picture of the check with our phone and deposit it that way. Back then, all of your government and utilities (and most businesses) relied on snail mail and paper forms - now there are some things where a paper form isn't even available. I dare say that almost every document that used to be faxed is now transferred over the internet instead. Netflix and CDNow started by sending physical DVDs or CDs through the mail - Amazon did the same with books - now much of that meatspace stuff is sent over the internet. Back then, I was constantly fighting the quota on my email - now Google gives me a free account with 10GB. Submitting information via a web browser was so painful in the 90s that only the simplest forms were really feasible. Now, with all the javascript and AJAX out there, you can realistically do word processing, spreadsheets, and presentations in your browser. Sites like IKEA let you lay out rooms in your browser. In the 90s, I had a 4 inch-think book that I used as a reference for most programming languages. Now I just hit the online documentation pages combined with Stack Overflow or similar.
Is there also a lot of crap just sucking up bandwidth? Well, yeah. If people have the speed, marketing will use it up like a swarm of locusts. But the internet has also changed remarkably since the 90s, with a ton more information and capability.
You would need to write to the flash every time something changes, not just at shutdown. You can't guarantee a graceful shutdown. I'm not sure what kind of data gets backed up in nonvolatile RAM. I'm sure simple things like call history, voice dialing, contact photos, lists of installed apps, menu and phone settings, and other things like that are fine in flash RAM. If it is a list of the most recent towers or recent battery and radio stats or GPS data, then even a million writes seems very finite.
In any event, you still need the on-board clock, which won't be replaced by flash RAM.
except there is no good way to really repair hard disks.
There are many electrical and mechanical systems that aren't worth repairing these days. When's the last time you put new brushes in a motor? Ever try to solder new surface-mount caps onto a piece of modern electronics?
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You are attempting to superimpose your laws and morals on a regime that observes none of them. Everything is a crime in North Korea, and respecting the dictator's rights were he to live under our laws is nonsensical. One could make a pretty strong argument that anything done to undermine the regime there is morally just.
To directly address your rhetorical point:
Crime is okay if the victim is nuts?
It is perfectly fine to strip away the rights of a person if they are nuts in a way that endangers society.
I think that is an example of demonising the enemy.
The man is just about as close to a demon as a mortal can get.
Teach more students? Current university education certainly does not scale very well.
Look, just because we disagree with what they do doesn't mean this is right.
I think this is an extreme example of political correctness gone wild.
Furthermore, this project is very interesting because they are co-creating both a new language and a new web renderer. It's conceivable, if not certain, that the new language will be better-suited to building a web framework than C++. If we're lucky, it will also solve other problems with a similar set of challenges.
Worst case, this little experiment goes nowhere. Even if the project is abandoned, we might learn some great ideas to feed back into other languages.
It's been shown time and again that higher education pays dramatically well. Taken in whole, the money we (the people) stand to make in tax revenue on highly qualified personnel is ridiculously greater than the cost of education.
Why wouldn't we also provide seed money for corporations, then? After all, corporations are on balance profitable enterprises that will provide us with more tax revenue.
I think that government subsidies should be as limited as possible. Otherwise, you end up creating incentives that were unintentional. Look at the way Stafford Loans allowed colleges to become so built-out and expensive... the idea itself is sound, but the rising cost of college was unintentional. People are only just now getting wise to it - you saw the recent pressure on the for-profit universities as their graduates started defaulting on loans. The other universities won't be far behind if tuition continues to rise at these rates. A program designed to make college affordable to the middle and lower-middle class is instead burying that same demographic in debt and making the college equation less favorable.
My goodness, just Google "C++ Considered Harmful" and read the rants. We don't need to get into that whole argument again. The fact is that there are a whole bunch of very smart people who feel this way, and another similar group who disagree. It is possible that both groups are right - that C++ is good for a certain type of problem and a certain type of programmer, but just plain awful at other kinds of problems attacked by other types of programmers.
Some wheels are better for certain uses than others. For some things, you have pneumatic tires, for others, you have solid tires. Spokes can be made of wood, metal rods, plastic, metal castings, or stamped sheet metal. Sometimes you want a slick tread, sometimes you need channels for water, sometimes you need little spikes for traction. Creating one wheel design for all applications would result in an abomination.
Taking the syntax and some concepts from C++ and building upon them is not "reinventing the wheel" - it is building upon the decades of work and experience that went into creating C++. If the concepts behind Rust prove useful, then perhaps they can be incorporated into C++. If they are useful and can't be incorporated into C++, then we really do need another kind of wheel after all.
I guess that is exactly what I am proposing, but I'm skeptical that you can cram the extra instruction into the existing timeframe. Sure, exceptional students can do it - but they are likely going to college anyhow. I'd like a system that captures something like the middle 50% on the bell curve. The top 25% are fine no matter what, and the bottom 25% is another problem with another whole set of solutions.
Yes, you would have to end social promotion. This seems to be happening now anyway.
But the high school degree isn't worthless because of social promotion - it's worthless because the whole experience is geared towards the old manufacturing economy of the last century. Even the best students come out with a good mastery of basic concepts, but no training towards any sort of vocation except continuing their education. We have "vocational schools" that do a bit of that, but nothing on the scale of what is needed. My feeling is that if the major goal for the end of public education is "preparing kids for more education", then you have stopped too early. Getting prepared for more education should be something the exceptional students are doing.
Yes, my school had a co-op program, and I think it was a fantastic experience. While it was great to get money, the real benefit was finding out that I wanted to change majors after the first co-op! Since the co-op program was baked-in, we got three 6-month co-op terms starting our sophomore year.
I agree that it can be difficult to find work in a relevant field before you have a college degree. However, agreeing to do some unpaid intern work while enrolled in a community college is something that many companies would be amenable to. You'll come out ahead in the end, since I made nowhere near enough during my co-op to cover the costs of school.
Of course, if you are smart or athletic enough to get a free ride, the economics change :)
Problem: loan will come due on sale, and the lender won't give you the title until it is satisfied.
College isn't a scam, but you have to know what you want out of it. If you don't know what you want to do yet when you graduate high school, you should probably get some employment experience in fields that interest you. You should still take some base level courses at a community college (and do well in them)... all of the 101 courses will probably transfer into whatever you end up doing - but there's no sense in going into deep debt without a clear goal in mind.
This is why Education should be funded by The People.
I agree... to a point. I think public education should be extended two years such that anyone can get an associates or technical degree for free. That seems to be where the sweet spot is these days in terms of return on investment. A high school diploma is more or less worthless these days. At this point in time, I don't think we should be funding people's advanced degrees.
It's not an option that has been pursued so far commercially. Nobody will build one of these.
If not for massive amounts of government money, I could say the same thing about wind and solar. They only make sense commercially when you factor in government subsidies. And that's fine - the same government could spend money developing breeders.
Small scale solar actually has more deaths from installers falling off roofs than you'd think
That's why I'm having my panels put on by guys who would be on my roof anyway. I won't have blood on my hands, even if it is all over my sidewalk.
In the US they are still the primary way to pay. Even if I pay "online", the payment is often in the form of a check. For vendors that aren't signed up in their system, the bank even sends a check out via snail mail. For bank transfers, a ACH is often used, which is basically just an e-check.
Is it me or is the amount of information, when I look back through the history of the internet, that I get out of the 'net pretty much the same, just the traffic goes up?
I don't think you really considered the growth of information that is accessible now. In the mid or late 90s, we were still paying by check (and getting cancelled checks back!) - now we can take a picture of the check with our phone and deposit it that way. Back then, all of your government and utilities (and most businesses) relied on snail mail and paper forms - now there are some things where a paper form isn't even available. I dare say that almost every document that used to be faxed is now transferred over the internet instead. Netflix and CDNow started by sending physical DVDs or CDs through the mail - Amazon did the same with books - now much of that meatspace stuff is sent over the internet. Back then, I was constantly fighting the quota on my email - now Google gives me a free account with 10GB. Submitting information via a web browser was so painful in the 90s that only the simplest forms were really feasible. Now, with all the javascript and AJAX out there, you can realistically do word processing, spreadsheets, and presentations in your browser. Sites like IKEA let you lay out rooms in your browser. In the 90s, I had a 4 inch-think book that I used as a reference for most programming languages. Now I just hit the online documentation pages combined with Stack Overflow or similar.
Is there also a lot of crap just sucking up bandwidth? Well, yeah. If people have the speed, marketing will use it up like a swarm of locusts. But the internet has also changed remarkably since the 90s, with a ton more information and capability.
You would need to write to the flash every time something changes, not just at shutdown. You can't guarantee a graceful shutdown. I'm not sure what kind of data gets backed up in nonvolatile RAM. I'm sure simple things like call history, voice dialing, contact photos, lists of installed apps, menu and phone settings, and other things like that are fine in flash RAM. If it is a list of the most recent towers or recent battery and radio stats or GPS data, then even a million writes seems very finite.
In any event, you still need the on-board clock, which won't be replaced by flash RAM.
Bravo for swapping out brushes on a bench grinder AND for using the grinder enough that you need to swap the brushes!
Flash memory has a limited number of writes, and won't power an on-board clock in any event.
Yeah, it would be awesome if your phone lost all settings every time it ran out of battery :)
Best Slashdot thread ever.
So to sum up your argument, pink can be pink, or pink can not be pink but still be pink if you have two definitions of the word pink? :)
Parties where they discuss meteorites? Be a shame if aristotle-dude brought THAT party down a peg on the fun-meter.
except there is no good way to really repair hard disks.
There are many electrical and mechanical systems that aren't worth repairing these days. When's the last time you put new brushes in a motor? Ever try to solder new surface-mount caps onto a piece of modern electronics?
Rule 1 about hard disks.
You can probably extend that to any electrical or mechanical system :)