OK, but it doesn't hurt you or your workflow to have it configurable either way. People who want it to be close to real-time are happy and you are also happy, right?
Uh, some of us sign up for these things because it's hard to keep track of all your kids' various practices, homework assignments, and other school stuff. I don't have Verizon so this doesn't affect me, but if I did I'd be installing the app so that I continue to receive the messages.
Not everyone keeps their mail app open constantly, and its a drain on phone resources to check every 2-3 minutes.
OK, I agree - which is why I have mine set to be pull. I have colleagues and friends who like it to be push.
Email is an asynchronous form of communication, if its really urgent, perhaps they should text, or even better, pick up the phone and call (all assuming they can't even have the conversation face-to-face).
I agree on the phone call, but texting is not any better than email. I have texts (especially MMS) that come hours or even days after they were sent on occasion. Email is old, standardized, and mostly reliable. With SMTP and IMAP, you have a system that is more reliable than texts - and if you are looking for robustness you can even configure return receipts. You can do this with texts as well, but it's a lot more finicky at the moment.
That's because our society is largely segregated, and Republicans mostly live in the white part. Yes, there is an unhealthy obsession with identity politics on the Democratic side, but talking about race is a good thing so long as we have such an unhealthy racial atmosphere in this country. And at the end of the day, it is very hard to be angry with a black person for practicing identity politics - after all, they are forced to adopt an identity whether they want to or not. Most Republicans don't have this problem and so identity politics is foreign to them.
Agreed. Even though France can't "print money" like the US Fed can, the EU would ultimately back French deposits. The French government has a standing pledge to not allow any French bank to fail - though a total collapse would obviously require EU help.
If I drop $1000 on a television, you can slap me for wasting my money.
Meh, if you are looking in the 65 inch range, that gets you a mid-range set. Certainly not a nice OLED set. I don't expect your interests to match mine, but surely you don't think $1000 is an anomalous amount to spend on a TV?
Trying to convince people to save $1 in electricity on an individual basis is a terrible way to save the planet - it's like buying a Prius... it accomplishes nothing. If you want to make a difference, it needs to be done at scale - analogous to CAFE standards. I agree with your argument, it's just that a solution that relies upon the 1% of the population that will actually go around with a Kill-A-Watt measuring every appliance... well, that's simply not going to make a big dent.
In my case, the yearly cost is likely a lot higher than $1. I notice that sometimes the TV draws as much as 20 watts in standby - presumably when the Android side is doing... something. At least I swapped all the halogen downlights for LEDs...
Maybe I don't use enough TVs, but every single one that I have experience with has an "INPUT" button on the remote that cycles through the inputs when you press it. When you turn the TV back on, it uses the previously selected input. My Sony even comes on automatically when the AVR input is active, making things almost completely wife-proof. I think y'all are making this more complicated than it is - just don't let the TV phone home and you are all good. If that still drives you nuts, buy a monitor (or commercial/ProTV). Yeah, they are often more expensive - so take the subsidy and suffer the minor inconvenience during the occasional reboot or shell out for the monitor that boots more quickly.
If I drop $1000 on a TV, am I really worried about it using an additional $10 in electricity during its lifetime? If I'm getting a $200 subsidy I still make $190. Go buy your $1300 version and "save" your $10.
If you know of such behavior, by all means name names! Warn us off!
I don't know what the Venn diagram looks like for people with available open networks AND shady TVs AND who give a shit about any of this, but I suspect it's pretty small.
Why are you rebooting your TV so often? It will sit in standby forever, instantly ready to come on. My Sony comes on instantly and simply shows whatever the hell the AVR throws at it unless I specifically hit the HOME button to go to the Android side of things. I think there are even ways to lock it down ("kiosk mode").
I'll hold your hand for you if you want, but I think you are just being difficult. You don't like the strings attached to the services you are addicted to. You are opting in to Comcast's business model because you can't stay away from their content. That's on you, not them. I won't judge if you unplug Xfinity and use Kodi, or torrent or usenet, or... Or stay legit and go to the store and buy DVDs/BluRays. Or watch OTA programming.
Point is, you can absolutely make your smart TV into a dumb TV - you just don't want to because you like the other side of the contract. If a "dumb TV" were available you wouldn't buy it, because it wouldn't offer the features you are willing to trade privacy for.
Yeah, no. 10% of the drive is 13GB. If you don't have 7GB, you are probably starting to notice slowdowns. Pony up the $75 and get a better drive for your workflow, or at least offload 7GB of your cruft onto a cheap SD card or something. Pity party. If you won't modernize your hardware to keep up, then absolutely, running Linux is a good option for you.
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Why did you have the kid, then?
Because someone actually wanted to procreate with me.
OK, but it doesn't hurt you or your workflow to have it configurable either way. People who want it to be close to real-time are happy and you are also happy, right?
Additionally, we don't plan on giving our daughter a smartphone until high school - so apps are not an option at all.
Or use one of the other 3 major phone companies and dozens of resellers that still offer the service for free.
Install an app
I don't want another push app that simply re-implements SMS/MMS.
Uh, some of us sign up for these things because it's hard to keep track of all your kids' various practices, homework assignments, and other school stuff. I don't have Verizon so this doesn't affect me, but if I did I'd be installing the app so that I continue to receive the messages.
Not everyone keeps their mail app open constantly, and its a drain on phone resources to check every 2-3 minutes.
OK, I agree - which is why I have mine set to be pull. I have colleagues and friends who like it to be push.
Email is an asynchronous form of communication, if its really urgent, perhaps they should text, or even better, pick up the phone and call (all assuming they can't even have the conversation face-to-face).
I agree on the phone call, but texting is not any better than email. I have texts (especially MMS) that come hours or even days after they were sent on occasion. Email is old, standardized, and mostly reliable. With SMTP and IMAP, you have a system that is more reliable than texts - and if you are looking for robustness you can even configure return receipts. You can do this with texts as well, but it's a lot more finicky at the moment.
Why? I mean, I have mine configured as pull, but what is wrong with getting a notification when you have a new email?
That's because our society is largely segregated, and Republicans mostly live in the white part. Yes, there is an unhealthy obsession with identity politics on the Democratic side, but talking about race is a good thing so long as we have such an unhealthy racial atmosphere in this country. And at the end of the day, it is very hard to be angry with a black person for practicing identity politics - after all, they are forced to adopt an identity whether they want to or not. Most Republicans don't have this problem and so identity politics is foreign to them.
To put it simply, the votes for "reasonable" were split many different ways, while the 30% who wanted weird all chose Trump. Which is sad.
And completely preventable if we used ranked or approval voting.
Agreed. Even though France can't "print money" like the US Fed can, the EU would ultimately back French deposits. The French government has a standing pledge to not allow any French bank to fail - though a total collapse would obviously require EU help.
It's not a "waste", it's a tradeoff for your time waiting for it to boot.
If I drop $1000 on a television, you can slap me for wasting my money.
Meh, if you are looking in the 65 inch range, that gets you a mid-range set. Certainly not a nice OLED set. I don't expect your interests to match mine, but surely you don't think $1000 is an anomalous amount to spend on a TV?
Trying to convince people to save $1 in electricity on an individual basis is a terrible way to save the planet - it's like buying a Prius... it accomplishes nothing. If you want to make a difference, it needs to be done at scale - analogous to CAFE standards. I agree with your argument, it's just that a solution that relies upon the 1% of the population that will actually go around with a Kill-A-Watt measuring every appliance... well, that's simply not going to make a big dent.
In my case, the yearly cost is likely a lot higher than $1. I notice that sometimes the TV draws as much as 20 watts in standby - presumably when the Android side is doing... something. At least I swapped all the halogen downlights for LEDs...
Maybe I don't use enough TVs, but every single one that I have experience with has an "INPUT" button on the remote that cycles through the inputs when you press it. When you turn the TV back on, it uses the previously selected input. My Sony even comes on automatically when the AVR input is active, making things almost completely wife-proof. I think y'all are making this more complicated than it is - just don't let the TV phone home and you are all good. If that still drives you nuts, buy a monitor (or commercial/ProTV). Yeah, they are often more expensive - so take the subsidy and suffer the minor inconvenience during the occasional reboot or shell out for the monitor that boots more quickly.
OK, but my suggestion works for now.
Yeah, so those would be out of contention for the rare bird that cares about such things. Fortunately there are hundreds of TVs that don't do that.
You'll never get rich if you are passing up a $200 subsidy to save $10 over 10 years.
If I drop $1000 on a TV, am I really worried about it using an additional $10 in electricity during its lifetime? If I'm getting a $200 subsidy I still make $190. Go buy your $1300 version and "save" your $10.
What do you mean? How will they spy on you if the TV has no network access?
If you know of such behavior, by all means name names! Warn us off!
I don't know what the Venn diagram looks like for people with available open networks AND shady TVs AND who give a shit about any of this, but I suspect it's pretty small.
Why are you rebooting your TV so often? It will sit in standby forever, instantly ready to come on. My Sony comes on instantly and simply shows whatever the hell the AVR throws at it unless I specifically hit the HOME button to go to the Android side of things. I think there are even ways to lock it down ("kiosk mode").
I'll hold your hand for you if you want, but I think you are just being difficult. You don't like the strings attached to the services you are addicted to. You are opting in to Comcast's business model because you can't stay away from their content. That's on you, not them. I won't judge if you unplug Xfinity and use Kodi, or torrent or usenet, or... Or stay legit and go to the store and buy DVDs/BluRays. Or watch OTA programming.
Point is, you can absolutely make your smart TV into a dumb TV - you just don't want to because you like the other side of the contract. If a "dumb TV" were available you wouldn't buy it, because it wouldn't offer the features you are willing to trade privacy for.
OK, so then we are agreed that right now it isn't a problem.
Most of the time you can opt-out. Nothing forces you to plug your "smart TV" into your network. Use it as a dumb monitor and take your $200 subsidy.
Yeah, no. 10% of the drive is 13GB. If you don't have 7GB, you are probably starting to notice slowdowns. Pony up the $75 and get a better drive for your workflow, or at least offload 7GB of your cruft onto a cheap SD card or something. Pity party. If you won't modernize your hardware to keep up, then absolutely, running Linux is a good option for you.