I appreciate the your comment. Nice to see a fellow Grognard on Slashdot. I disagree with a chunk of your posts, but this is not the place to discuss that. Thank you though!
"If I were a physician, I'd certainly trade one marginal (in the economic sense) customer for the freedom from losing sleep at night about whether their child is dying from one of any number of untreatable disastrous diseases"
Sure, add in all the others as well. Jewish? Nah, don't want to deal with Tay-Sachs. Black? You won't take your sickle cell seriously imho. Diabetic? Too fat. Oh you are in your 70's, tough chubbo.
You would have a great Practice, only treating the healthy and obedient, by all means apply to Med school today!
"And the T-34 and Stalin series of tanks were hardly junk." You are right, they were 'hardly junk', that is because they were total garbage. Otto always was a bit generous.
I have said no such thing, I have not even implied it. In my eyes it seems you are purposely reading the worst out of my replys, please correct me if I am wrong. Fred may get inches of column space, but he isn't news. Perhaps you should re-read your own sig.
If mainstream is a synonym for common or popular than no
Huh? that is the very definition of mainstream. It *is* the common face of Atheism, I am sorry that your asshats are like our asshats, but you got them just like we do.
However, very few religionists started off as atheists, such a conversion is pretty rare.
See, I am one of those people, I converted as an adult, oddly it was my animal biology course that finally convinced me. For me,modern Atheism is a religion, and if it isn't, it is a racket like Scientology.
Atheist billboards, bus signs, meetings. Un-baptising ceremonies. Lumping all Christians in a single group to be bashed. The utter reverence and unending quoting of the trinity of atheist authors. The childish digs like 'sky wizard' and 'zombie Jesus'. The never ending beating of a dead horse on the internet in threads like this. The zealotry of conversion.
This is mainstream atheism, or at least its outward face.
If you want to convince people that God does not exist, be my guest. If you wonder why atheists are hated more and more by the hard right read my list again.
I like your flatland reference, but did it ever occur to you that people that are religious might be a better judge of what a religion is than those who are not? To go back to your analogy, do you know what your dimensions are? To say it another way, are you 2D, 3D, 4D? Or are you 3d6+1;)
"Note the every economy that has ever industrialized did so under a libertarian economic policy."
Oh, do tell. Her Majesty, Elisabeth by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith is intrigued how her Renaissance and Industry is fueled by Libertarian economics. Please explain, and hurry, the Tower awaits.
In other words, pick up a history book.
"a mixed market, which has proved to be a very slippery slope heading straight for fascism."
Yes, the libertarian vision of a Corpocracy is so much different than Fascism. Wait, what? How exactly is it different? You mean they are ultimately the same thing? Say it isn't so Ron Paul!
"Interesting, so you claim that the only model that has ever worked doesn't work."
Here is a hint: NONE of them work. People were never designed to work in groups much larger than tribes, and even that is a stretch. But if we have to (and we do), prefer a model where, yes, you are going to have to take care of your neighbor then we need to be civil. Now I can ask you to give five dollars a week (gasp! TAXES!), or you can go over one day a week and wipe her 105 year old can (That is (SLAVERY/SOCIALISM/AMERICAN)!). You can even refuse both. but refusing both also has consequences. Consequences, like me singing the asshole song about you being dumb enough at age whatever to sign off on the social compact that if you should someday reach 105 that you will be happy to sit in your own filth.
Have they not done this because
a) They don't want to.
b) They can't because:
Foreign countries have parked their carriers off of the coast, have many bases in foreign countries, have bombed lunatics with jet aircraft, have started preemptive wars, used drones, have drones operating in many countries, have medium and long-range missile toys, have tried those toys.
Teacher's Note:Please don't play the "Noble Savage" card, it doesn't fit here.
SECOND BONUS QUESTION:
If you were to hand over the entire US arsenal to the Ayatollahs tomorrow would they:
a) Dump it all into a big pit and cover it up then make every one some nice food.
b) Make sure the next Persian Empire ruled the middle east and perhaps the world.
(HINT: there is a reason their Arab neighbors are scared of them)
Teacher's Note: Boys with Toys will be Boys with Toys.
My soft skills are just fine thank you. However your math skills need some work.
5. Do it again 6. Do it again 7.... 12984.... 12985 Do it again
What do you suppose we do for number 12986?
The point you miss isn't that the same guy is doing it over and over, it is that all end users continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Running a computer and all its foibles is part of their job. Just this week I had a user respond to an internal email that in big block letters said "This email is an automated response - do not respond to it". It is only through the grace of God that I happened to be cleaning out the spam filters that I even found the thing. How exactly do you suppose I educate someone who has somehow missed the last ten years of how email and the web works? Were this a 12 year old, I would have a great deal of sympathy. I have a saying "Ignorance I can deal with, willing stupidity I have an issue with." Using and responding to email is part of their job, they teach English, so I would hope that they can read, now what? At what point do I get to be irritated? At what point pissed off? 13005?
"Any doctor, neurosurgeon or not, who would decide the worthiness of a patient by his station in life or whether or not he is an addict, is not fit to be called "Physician". "
And yet they exist. And most transplant wards don't have issues with splinters. Ask your friend if she would implant a donated liver into a practicing alcoholic even if the alternative was to let the liver go to waste. Then ask her if her hospital would.
That was a throw away comment from you Ratzo - and I love your posts in general:/
And if it happen once that you came in on Tuesday of this week to discover that someone thought his office was too warm so he blocked open the door to the R&D building and all the internal doors to get to his office for the entire long weekend what would you say? Now what would you say if it was someone every weekend that did that, or every night? And lets pretend for a moment that management doesn't really get how HVAC works either; I mean, they are just trying to cool thier offices right? Why be so hard on them? Oh, I don't know, because it is *MY* ass on the line when they screw up?
Find a nice spot of wall, put down something comfy to sit/lay/lounge on, think soft carpet, and odd shaped pillow things. Then on the wall glue on a bunch of green lego plates, then add a box of basic bricks. better yet, put it in a corner, make sure the soda machine is next to it.
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Modded Overrated. Seeing as it had never been moderated that confuses me. But don't worry, I hear Atheists don't do hateful uninformed things.
your worship for eternal life entertains me.
I appreciate the your comment. Nice to see a fellow Grognard on Slashdot. I disagree with a chunk of your posts, but this is not the place to discuss that. Thank you though!
Cares so much, he throws them out. Nice. Well, to his credit there is actually more money to be made treating healthy people.
"If I were a physician, I'd certainly trade one marginal (in the economic sense) customer for the freedom from losing sleep at night about whether their child is dying from one of any number of untreatable disastrous diseases"
Sure, add in all the others as well. Jewish? Nah, don't want to deal with Tay-Sachs. Black? You won't take your sickle cell seriously imho. Diabetic? Too fat. Oh you are in your 70's, tough chubbo.
You would have a great Practice, only treating the healthy and obedient, by all means apply to Med school today!
What a load of shit.
By your estimate putting a child in a car is like dumping them in a death camp. Oh wait, that is extreme right?
And before you start, I ran micro labs for years.
"Christian cultists ... So, in conclusion, kindly shut the fuck up, because you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about."
Please take your own advice.
"As someone who has heard of Occam's razor" Then you should know that a razor cuts both ways. Look up why it says "Most times" not 'All times'
"I find such beliefs stupid." Try looking into a mirror. Seriously, you are going down the road where you are becoming the thing you purport to hate.
I grew tired of religious fundamentalists a long time ago, your kind included.
"And the T-34 and Stalin series of tanks were hardly junk." You are right, they were 'hardly junk', that is because they were total garbage. Otto always was a bit generous.
"people must be taught to follow religions or believe in gods."
You do realize that if you honestly believe that statement is true, that you have proven the existence of God right?
I have said no such thing, I have not even implied it. In my eyes it seems you are purposely reading the worst out of my replys, please correct me if I am wrong. Fred may get inches of column space, but he isn't news. Perhaps you should re-read your own sig.
Ah yes, atheists are smarter.
If mainstream is a synonym for common or popular than no
Huh? that is the very definition of mainstream. It *is* the common face of Atheism, I am sorry that your asshats are like our asshats, but you got them just like we do.
However, very few religionists started off as atheists, such a conversion is pretty rare.
See, I am one of those people, I converted as an adult, oddly it was my animal biology course that finally convinced me. For me,modern Atheism is a religion, and if it isn't, it is a racket like Scientology.
i agree slavery *is* freedom. your Doublethink is Tripleplus good.
And I would say - You aren't looking hard enough.
Atheist billboards, bus signs, meetings. Un-baptising ceremonies. Lumping all Christians in a single group to be bashed. The utter reverence and unending quoting of the trinity of atheist authors. The childish digs like 'sky wizard' and 'zombie Jesus'. The never ending beating of a dead horse on the internet in threads like this. The zealotry of conversion.
This is mainstream atheism, or at least its outward face.
If you want to convince people that God does not exist, be my guest. If you wonder why atheists are hated more and more by the hard right read my list again.
I like your flatland reference, but did it ever occur to you that people that are religious might be a better judge of what a religion is than those who are not? To go back to your analogy, do you know what your dimensions are? To say it another way, are you 2D, 3D, 4D? Or are you 3d6+1 ;)
And giving corporations then only compounds the issue.
"Note the every economy that has ever industrialized did so under a libertarian economic policy."
Oh, do tell. Her Majesty, Elisabeth by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith is intrigued how her Renaissance and Industry is fueled by Libertarian economics. Please explain, and hurry, the Tower awaits.
In other words, pick up a history book.
"a mixed market, which has proved to be a very slippery slope heading straight for fascism."
Yes, the libertarian vision of a Corpocracy is so much different than Fascism. Wait, what? How exactly is it different? You mean they are ultimately the same thing? Say it isn't so Ron Paul!
"Interesting, so you claim that the only model that has ever worked doesn't work."
Here is a hint: NONE of them work. People were never designed to work in groups much larger than tribes, and even that is a stretch. But if we have to (and we do), prefer a model where, yes, you are going to have to take care of your neighbor then we need to be civil. Now I can ask you to give five dollars a week (gasp! TAXES!), or you can go over one day a week and wipe her 105 year old can (That is (SLAVERY/SOCIALISM/AMERICAN)!). You can even refuse both. but refusing both also has consequences. Consequences, like me singing the asshole song about you being dumb enough at age whatever to sign off on the social compact that if you should someday reach 105 that you will be happy to sit in your own filth.
BONUS QUESTION:
Have they not done this because
a) They don't want to.
b) They can't because:
Foreign countries have parked their carriers off of the coast, have many bases in foreign countries, have bombed lunatics with jet aircraft, have started preemptive wars, used drones, have drones operating in many countries, have medium and long-range missile toys, have tried those toys.
Teacher's Note:Please don't play the "Noble Savage" card, it doesn't fit here.
SECOND BONUS QUESTION:
If you were to hand over the entire US arsenal to the Ayatollahs tomorrow would they:
a) Dump it all into a big pit and cover it up then make every one some nice food.
b) Make sure the next Persian Empire ruled the middle east and perhaps the world.
(HINT: there is a reason their Arab neighbors are scared of them)
Teacher's Note: Boys with Toys will be Boys with Toys.
My soft skills are just fine thank you. However your math skills need some work.
5. Do it again ... ...
6. Do it again
7.
12984.
12985 Do it again
What do you suppose we do for number 12986?
The point you miss isn't that the same guy is doing it over and over, it is that all end users continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Running a computer and all its foibles is part of their job. Just this week I had a user respond to an internal email that in big block letters said "This email is an automated response - do not respond to it". It is only through the grace of God that I happened to be cleaning out the spam filters that I even found the thing. How exactly do you suppose I educate someone who has somehow missed the last ten years of how email and the web works? Were this a 12 year old, I would have a great deal of sympathy. I have a saying "Ignorance I can deal with, willing stupidity I have an issue with." Using and responding to email is part of their job, they teach English, so I would hope that they can read, now what? At what point do I get to be irritated? At what point pissed off? 13005?
OT
"Any doctor, neurosurgeon or not, who would decide the worthiness of a patient by his station in life or whether or not he is an addict, is not fit to be called "Physician". "
And yet they exist. And most transplant wards don't have issues with splinters. Ask your friend if she would implant a donated liver into a practicing alcoholic even if the alternative was to let the liver go to waste. Then ask her if her hospital would.
That was a throw away comment from you Ratzo - and I love your posts in general :/
And if it happen once that you came in on Tuesday of this week to discover that someone thought his office was too warm so he blocked open the door to the R&D building and all the internal doors to get to his office for the entire long weekend what would you say? Now what would you say if it was someone every weekend that did that, or every night? And lets pretend for a moment that management doesn't really get how HVAC works either; I mean, they are just trying to cool thier offices right? Why be so hard on them? Oh, I don't know, because it is *MY* ass on the line when they screw up?
Find a nice spot of wall, put down something comfy to sit/lay/lounge on, think soft carpet, and odd shaped pillow things. Then on the wall glue on a bunch of green lego plates, then add a box of basic bricks. better yet, put it in a corner, make sure the soda machine is next to it.
The Three Musketeers (1960's version)
Real competition from Ron Paul?
I suggest this video then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
Neither do the non-religious.