"I'd love to see something like Firefox support go further and use a lib like this so unsigned certs could instead describe a web of trust via PGP and modify the manner in which Firefox presents such certs to a user. CAs are the biggest racket on the web and are IMO the biggest impediment to https being the default protocol for web activity."
Ron Paul has come out saying he is going to remodel Angst Badger's kitchen. Stating it was about "Stove's Right's" Ron Paul plans on moving things like heating and cooling to the kitchen. The kitchen will also get its own electrical grid, water main and gas hook-up. "Kitchens can do this cheaper and better" he declared. "This way even the toaster gets a vote on how water should flow."
So you are advocating that performance artists should have to put their concerts on line for no money? But wait that is the pirate's motto isn't it? "They will make it up in live performances"
Yup - I have, in fact by law I have to keep them for the next 30 years. Do you? Let us not pretend this is mothers milk shall we? And despite the ridiculous down mod, pretending there is no back spray from this is like pretending Easy-Bake-Ovens never make things that smell good.
Nothing says I love you like the second hand vapor of air hardening plastic spray. Sleep Tight! I won't let any one of those horrible cigarette smokers near you my love.
"If you declare that the nigger next door is your slave today, we can point at the laws saying that it ain't so. If you kill a gay guy and point to the bible telling you that's what you ought to be doing, we can't tell you that Appendix C or Amendment 12 overrules that, because they don't exist."
And what do I do with my Bible when you make stuff up that doesn't exist either? It seems to be lose-lose here. My greatest issue with the Neo-Athiest movement is that they insist on a radical fundamentalist reading of the Bible, which they then deplore.
"If you can't spot my country from my words, then maybe it doesn't matter?"
And yet me being an American does matter? And if I am going to make a guess I would say that the smell of superiority, but lack of pride make you Canadian, or some other vassal country. Your dodge on the entire matter tells me that the US helped you country in the last century, and you, and your countrymen still don't feel OK with it. Sorry you are America's bitch, but try a little pride.
"Then you might want to start actually talking to clergy rather than lay people.
Been there, done that, remain unimpressed. "
Hmm, I suggest a room full of Jesuits. I am not Catholic but I got the chance once to debate a room full of them. It was the most humbling humiliation that was caring and wonderful all at the same time. Nothing like having your beliefs torn apart by eight geniuses at the same time. I am still not a Catholic, and I think there is an Article of Faith that I must oppose Papists somewhere. {shrug}
"And you are going to use Penn and Teller for proof?
For what? I was quoting something they said I liked. You're really fishing for counter-arguments here."
No - I have seen too many people that use them and MythBusters as proof. Scary bad stuff IMHO.
"See, the legal system is also one that changes over time." And so does the understanding of the Bible. Nice dig at the US though, I did notice you never put up your own country for me to point out its foibles, I am sure that was an oversight on your part though.
"but we wouldn't put "love your parents" on the same list as "don't kill people just because" today." Why not?
"You've missed the main point again. Debian also changes over time. " I didn't miss the point, I *made* the point. You missed it. You said you could "write the same subset from scratch" You can't. There is no 'scratch'.
You start somewhere _ ( a heavily influenced by Christianity World) And then claim you came up with the same ideas like Athena from Zeus' head.
"You gloss over the book and then complain about those that gloss over it as well.
Actually, I've had the astonishing find that I've read a lot more of the bible than most of those who claim to be believers in it."
Then you might want to start actually talking to clergy rather than lay people.
And you are going to use Penn and Teller for proof? Yes, get your moral and philosophical teachings from those that do two shows a night, three on weekends, try the veal. Hell, even Penn would call you a sucker.
"Logic will tell you that you shouldn't kill other people unless you wanna be killed"
Logic will tell you nothing of the sort. In fact Logic will tell you your first gripe "Don't kill unless it's convenient". If there are two people and you each have food for a day, logic says kill the other guy, now you have food for 5 days. You are trying (and failing) to ascribe morality and ethics to Logic.
"Economically support a murderous, corrupt organization made up of a bunch of holy child molesters? Fuck religion." Nice Logic there. Let me guess, all black people are criminals too, amiright?
"Morality exists without religion. Look to any other species. They have morals."
Google Gang Duck Rape and answer the question: Is gang rape moral?
"There are rules about slavery in the Bible. And they're not "don't fucking keep slaves". That should be enough for all of us to ignore it as any sort of divine revelation. Or to reject the revealer as not worthy."
There are rules about slaves in the Constitution, should we ignore that as well?
"The good parts are massively drowned by crap"
Much like your post.
"some are utter bullshit in todays society - we've since abolished slavery, consider women equals, the role of parents isn't as important anymore, we're not all homophobes, magicians are entertainers not people we fear and want to put to death" We have? Besides slavery being in our Constitution? Women are paid as well as men and never discriminated against? Parents aren't important, besides student test scores correlating with parent involvement? Well, I will let the rest of the world know.
"or are so obvious (again, killing) that it really doesn't put a good light on Moses people that it needed explicit mentioning." Yeah, they are obvious *now* because they were explicitly mentioned. Get a little perspective please.
"And frankly, when you go to that effort, you can just as well write the same subset from scratch" Which is like rolling your own distro using linuxfromscratch.com and then claiming that Debian is pointless to learn about because 'anyone can do it'
No friend, the Bible is a great source of moral teachings, because it also includes tons upon tons of ancillary works. People spend (and have spent) lifetimes studying it and its triumphs and failures. You gloss over the book and then complain about those that gloss over it as well.
"Christianity is responsible for more torture and death in the first 19 centuries AD than almost any other human cause, and probably stunted development of "civilization" by several hundred years."
[Citation Needed]
In other words, pick up a damn history book and stop repeating this bullshit phrase. If anything the only reason that the light of knowledge was kept glowing through the dark ages was because of Christianity. Why weren't the works of Plato burned to keep some goat herder warm? Because they were in the Abby, and you didn't screw with the Abbott. Could the Abbott have done more with them? Maybe, but he himself was trying to keep warm as well.
And before you ask...
Were the excesses of that Abbot great as we head into the high middle ages/early renaissance? Yup. But stop letting that be your world view of 800 years past the fall of Rome. And yes, I am implying that you should use some sort time scale to judge.
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"the most beautiful girl most of us ever saw all our life was that one in our village or the next village. Probably 1% of the population. "
I AM THE 99%!!!
... it was only yesterday I posted about this: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2538008&cid=38142128
Moxie, I got to attend your Keynote at OWASP Con, great stuff!
"I'd love to see something like Firefox support go further and use a lib like this so unsigned certs could instead describe a web of trust via PGP and modify the manner in which Firefox presents such certs to a user. CAs are the biggest racket on the web and are IMO the biggest impediment to https being the default protocol for web activity."
I give you Convergence: http://convergence.io/
And the OWASP Keynote where it was presented: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17457016/
I agree! A thousand years ago your ancestors should have eaten shellfish out of a red tide. Stupid book.
Yes, Lucy was nothing. Primordial Eve was nothing. Please don't let facts get in the way of your anti-religious hate fest. That would be unscientific.
And thus the Gnostics. Look it up.
Balls.
Ron Paul has come out saying he is going to remodel Angst Badger's kitchen. Stating it was about "Stove's Right's" Ron Paul plans on moving things like heating and cooling to the kitchen. The kitchen will also get its own electrical grid, water main and gas hook-up. "Kitchens can do this cheaper and better" he declared. "This way even the toaster gets a vote on how water should flow."
Because the people of North Dakota like Avocados, fresh fruit and wine too?
So you are advocating that performance artists should have to put their concerts on line for no money? But wait that is the pirate's motto isn't it? "They will make it up in live performances"
I think you need to actually read a history book. And not an on-line one.
Yup - I have, in fact by law I have to keep them for the next 30 years. Do you? Let us not pretend this is mothers milk shall we? And despite the ridiculous down mod, pretending there is no back spray from this is like pretending Easy-Bake-Ovens never make things that smell good.
Nothing says I love you like the second hand vapor of air hardening plastic spray. Sleep Tight! I won't let any one of those horrible cigarette smokers near you my love.
"If you declare that the nigger next door is your slave today, we can point at the laws saying that it ain't so. If you kill a gay guy and point to the bible telling you that's what you ought to be doing, we can't tell you that Appendix C or Amendment 12 overrules that, because they don't exist."
And what do I do with my Bible when you make stuff up that doesn't exist either? It seems to be lose-lose here. My greatest issue with the Neo-Athiest movement is that they insist on a radical fundamentalist reading of the Bible, which they then deplore.
"If you can't spot my country from my words, then maybe it doesn't matter?"
And yet me being an American does matter? And if I am going to make a guess I would say that the smell of superiority, but lack of pride make you Canadian, or some other vassal country. Your dodge on the entire matter tells me that the US helped you country in the last century, and you, and your countrymen still don't feel OK with it. Sorry you are America's bitch, but try a little pride.
"Then you might want to start actually talking to clergy rather than lay people.
Been there, done that, remain unimpressed. "
Hmm, I suggest a room full of Jesuits. I am not Catholic but I got the chance once to debate a room full of them. It was the most humbling humiliation that was caring and wonderful all at the same time. Nothing like having your beliefs torn apart by eight geniuses at the same time. I am still not a Catholic, and I think there is an Article of Faith that I must oppose Papists somewhere. {shrug}
"And you are going to use Penn and Teller for proof?
For what? I was quoting something they said I liked. You're really fishing for counter-arguments here."
No - I have seen too many people that use them and MythBusters as proof. Scary bad stuff IMHO.
"See, the legal system is also one that changes over time."
And so does the understanding of the Bible. Nice dig at the US though, I did notice you never put up your own country for me to point out its foibles, I am sure that was an oversight on your part though.
"but we wouldn't put "love your parents" on the same list as "don't kill people just because" today."
Why not?
"You've missed the main point again. Debian also changes over time. "
I didn't miss the point, I *made* the point. You missed it. You said you could "write the same subset from scratch" You can't. There is no 'scratch'.
You start somewhere _ ( a heavily influenced by Christianity World) And then claim you came up with the same ideas like Athena from Zeus' head.
"You gloss over the book and then complain about those that gloss over it as well.
Actually, I've had the astonishing find that I've read a lot more of the bible than most of those who claim to be believers in it."
Then you might want to start actually talking to clergy rather than lay people.
And you are going to use Penn and Teller for proof? Yes, get your moral and philosophical teachings from those that do two shows a night, three on weekends, try the veal. Hell, even Penn would call you a sucker.
Derp!
"Logic will tell you that you shouldn't kill other people unless you wanna be killed"
Logic will tell you nothing of the sort. In fact Logic will tell you your first gripe "Don't kill unless it's convenient". If there are two people and you each have food for a day, logic says kill the other guy, now you have food for 5 days. You are trying (and failing) to ascribe morality and ethics to Logic.
"Economically support a murderous, corrupt organization made up of a bunch of holy child molesters? Fuck religion."
Nice Logic there. Let me guess, all black people are criminals too, amiright?
"like I didn't know that already"
Bonus points: How did you know that?
"The scientific world rejects idiots."
Yeah, about that ... .
"Morality exists without religion. Look to any other species. They have morals."
Google Gang Duck Rape and answer the question: Is gang rape moral?
"There are rules about slavery in the Bible. And they're not "don't fucking keep slaves". That should be enough for all of us to ignore it as any sort of divine revelation. Or to reject the revealer as not worthy."
There are rules about slaves in the Constitution, should we ignore that as well?
"The idea that science and religion don't mix is largely an invention of fundamentalist Christianity, starting around 1900 or so."
And has been picked up by fundamentalist Atheism in the last decade or so.
And this makes his statement wrong how?
"The good parts are massively drowned by crap"
Much like your post.
"some are utter bullshit in todays society - we've since abolished slavery, consider women equals, the role of parents isn't as important anymore, we're not all homophobes, magicians are entertainers not people we fear and want to put to death"
We have? Besides slavery being in our Constitution? Women are paid as well as men and never discriminated against? Parents aren't important, besides student test scores correlating with parent involvement? Well, I will let the rest of the world know.
"or are so obvious (again, killing) that it really doesn't put a good light on Moses people that it needed explicit mentioning."
Yeah, they are obvious *now* because they were explicitly mentioned. Get a little perspective please.
"And frankly, when you go to that effort, you can just as well write the same subset from scratch"
Which is like rolling your own distro using linuxfromscratch.com and then claiming that Debian is pointless to learn about because 'anyone can do it'
No friend, the Bible is a great source of moral teachings, because it also includes tons upon tons of ancillary works. People spend (and have spent) lifetimes studying it and its triumphs and failures. You gloss over the book and then complain about those that gloss over it as well.
"Christianity is responsible for more torture and death in the first 19 centuries AD than almost any other human cause, and probably stunted development of "civilization" by several hundred years."
[Citation Needed]
In other words, pick up a damn history book and stop repeating this bullshit phrase. If anything the only reason that the light of knowledge was kept glowing through the dark ages was because of Christianity. Why weren't the works of Plato burned to keep some goat herder warm? Because they were in the Abby, and you didn't screw with the Abbott. Could the Abbott have done more with them? Maybe, but he himself was trying to keep warm as well.
And before you ask...
Were the excesses of that Abbot great as we head into the high middle ages/early renaissance? Yup. But stop letting that be your world view of 800 years past the fall of Rome. And yes, I am implying that you should use some sort time scale to judge.
Il Duce reborn.