You're saying that I can install debian on my computer and use it as a phone? The computer weighs about 15kg already. I just need to add a truck battery (another 20kg I guess) and a small array of solar cells (another 180kg). I will then have an utra-portable cell phone! And, it weighs in at only 215kg!
Did you even read the article? This is not about desktop computer. It's all about Debian running on mobile phone.
While Ubuntu might be friendlier, and be more polished, I'd like to say that Debian is perfectly
workable as a desktop os. (Started with a base install that didn't even appear to come with less, moved onto
fluxbox when I wanted a gui, moved back to kde because I missed it).
It just takes a little more effort if you do something pointless like start out with just the min install. If you want to use Debian on Desktop then DPN'T make just base install. Base install is for the servers. You can blame only yourself if you make just base install. When you start Debian installer it clearly asks what you want to install. Select desktop environment and then Debian installer will install it. Ut really can't be so difficult. Starting from Debian Etch there is even new graphical point'n'click intaller.
Debian isn't - and never has been - a desktop distro. That's just a lie, bullshit and FUD. I say this again, try to install eg. Debian Etch on desktop, and you will see how wrong you are.
If you want a desktop distro built on Debian architecture, you get Ubuntu, Why am I not surprised that yet another brainwashed ubuntu fanatic is spreading lies about Debian?
Debian is sure not a desktop distribution. Ubuntu would be one. I run Debian on all my servers. You have not even tried to use eg. Debian Etch on desktop. Everyone who has knows that your claim is bullhit. Debian is as much desktop distro as ubuntu.
You really should try to install Debian Etch or lenny. Then try to do which you do on ubuntu desktop. You WILL see that everything works wery similarly to ubuntu. If some GUI-tools are not installed by default, you can find it on Debian repository.
Debian Lenny even eg. Gnome Application installer, which is exactly the same tool as that Add/rmove spftware -tool in ubuntu. Almost every damn easy GUI-tool in Ubuntu is in Debian too. As i said, if it's not installed then you usually find it from Debian repository.
But yeah, you ubuntu guys just HAVE TO spread lies about Debian so that your distro would look better. UIbuntu benefits from those lies, so sure you do spread them.
They never said it can't be used for desktop. They are just saying that it isn't primarily aiming for desktop use and works very well on servers, debating the original posters claim. Well Debian is not primarily aiming for server use either. Debian wants to be an universal operating system. Both desktop and server side are equally important for the Debian. Those who are saying Debian is a just server distro are simply lying. Debian works wery well on servers, but it does not mean Debian is just a server distro. Debian is wery good on desktop too. I have been using Debian on desktop since 1998 and I have been wery happy with it.
I never said it doesn't work on a desktop. I use it here on mine right now. It's just not as easy to setup as Ubunutu I think. Oh, yes it is. I think that marketing hype around Ubuntu has brainwashed people and made them blind. And some ubuntu guys are deliberately spreading lies about Debian. They try to make Debian look difficuklt so that Ubuntu would look easy. Ubuntu benefits from those lies. But that's ridiculous, they forget that ubuntu is based on Debian.
People who have not even tried eg. Debian Etch claim that it's difficult and not as easy as ubuntu. They really should try Etch. They would see that Debian is actually wery easy. Even my 50+ year old mother who knows nothing about computers, operatingsystems etc has succesfully used Debian Etch over a year now. There has been no problems at all, and that's good because i live about 120km away from her.
It's NOT a desktop distro. Especially compared to Mandr* or Ubuntu or many others out there. YES IT IS. I have been using Debian on desktop since 1998 and I don't agree with you. What you say IS a lie and simply bullshit. You really should try to install eg. Debian Etch on desktop and talk after that. I think you have not ebven tried to isntall Etch on desktop if you think like you say. I don't know if you are just ignorant or if you are deliberately spreading lies, but Debian is as much desktop distro as any other distro. Default Etch installation with gnome desktop is almost as easy to use as eg. ubuntu. If something is not installed by default you can find it from Debian repository.
> _Which_ December? Surely you don't mean _this coming_ December already?
> Really? No way. You're pulling my leg. Sarge just came out last year, so there's no way Etch could be > officially released this year. That would be less than two years. My whole understanding of Debian would be > disrupted. I can still remember when Sarge was released, for crying out loud.
Yes I mean THIS December, Etch is a bit late of it's schedule, but it is still scheduled to be released in December 2006.
> The difference is, Ubuntu users have someone they can call to help fix it.
The difference between Ubuntu and Debian is that Debian does not prentebd that Unstable is stable. Unstaböe is development version. Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable and they pretend it to be stable. So Ubuntu users really need someone to cry for help.
> I've had similar sorts of issues in Debian from time to time, to cover your eyes and go "la la la this never > happens in stock debian!" is dishonest at best and ignorant at worst.
Well i have used Debian since 1998 and I have never had any upgrade problems like that. That's 8 years and several releases whitout problems now.
> _Which_ December? Surely you don't mean _this coming_ December already?
> Really? No way. You're pulling my leg. Sarge just came out last year, so there's no way Etch could be
> officially released this year. That would be less than two years. My whole understanding of Debian would be
> disrupted. I can still remember when Sarge was released, for crying out loud.
Yes I mean THIS December, Etch is a bit late of it's schedule, but it is still scheduled to be released in December 2006.
"Ubuntu is for those who *can't* or *can't be bothered* setting up debian the way they want"
And how do you think those same guys are going to fix these problems in Ubuntu? It sure would be easier to use Debian than fight with problems like that.
"Like it or not, but providing decent tech support for something as huge and dynamic as the entire Debian repositry is pretty damn near impossible."
Well Debian is rock solid, ubuntu is not as we can see here.
I mean Etch currently has eg. Firefox 1.5.0.7. I don't know what are the plans for the 2.0. Ofcourse 2.0 should *NOT* be part of the release, if it is not stable enough, and it most likely is not.
What????? No, 2Mbit internet connection is not the fastest we have here in Finland, it's an AWERAGE speed of internet connections people have bought here. It's not the fastest we have. Where do you think we live? In Russia?
Eg. my ISP is offering 12Mbit ADSL+ for 55EUR/month and 24Mbit ADSL2+ for 63EUR/month.
Lucky guys and gals in campus areas already have 100Mbit connection ar home.
If you have eg. Welho cable-connection, then you can have up to 6Mbit connection. I don't know if it's possible to get faster speed using cable here, but cablemodem is not the only choise. Most of the people have DSL anyway.
Have you ever seen us AW.net users say anything like that from eg. MorphZone users ? No, atleast i have not seen anything like that and i donä't read only AW.net. I think guys like spread baseless bullshit. Every site has some morons, and you seem to be one of those. So if there is some morons in AW.net, there is those in nMorphZone, ann, morphosnews etc too. And which is worsse, those who defend os or people who acrt like ytou
There is port of GCC, PHP, Perl, Python, Apache, MySQL etc for the Amiga already:) All of those are not latest versions ofcourse, but those are still quite recent uptodate versions.
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You're saying that I can install debian on my computer and use it as a phone? The computer weighs about 15kg already. I just need to add a truck battery (another 20kg I guess) and a small array of solar cells (another 180kg). I will then have an utra-portable cell phone! And, it weighs in at only 215kg!
Did you even read the article? This is not about desktop computer. It's all about Debian running on mobile phone.
It just takes a little more effort if you do something pointless like start out with just the min install. If you want to use Debian on Desktop then DPN'T make just base install. Base install is for the servers. You can blame only yourself if you make just base install. When you start Debian installer it clearly asks what you want to install. Select desktop environment and then Debian installer will install it. Ut really can't be so difficult. Starting from Debian Etch there is even new graphical point'n'click intaller.
Don't be so sure. Those idiots in Bryssels might try again with patent law :P
> _Which_ December? Surely you don't mean _this coming_ December already?
> Really? No way. You're pulling my leg. Sarge just came out last year, so there's no way Etch could be
> officially released this year. That would be less than two years. My whole understanding of Debian would be
> disrupted. I can still remember when Sarge was released, for crying out loud.
Yes I mean THIS December, Etch is a bit late of it's schedule, but it is still scheduled to be released in December 2006.
> The difference is, Ubuntu users have someone they can call to help fix it.
The difference between Ubuntu and Debian is that Debian does not prentebd that Unstable is stable. Unstaböe is development version. Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable and they pretend it to be stable. So Ubuntu users really need someone to cry for help.
> I've had similar sorts of issues in Debian from time to time, to cover your eyes and go "la la la this never
> happens in stock debian!" is dishonest at best and ignorant at worst.
Well i have used Debian since 1998 and I have never had any upgrade problems like that. That's 8 years and several releases whitout problems now.
> _Which_ December? Surely you don't mean _this coming_ December already? > Really? No way. You're pulling my leg. Sarge just came out last year, so there's no way Etch could be > officially released this year. That would be less than two years. My whole understanding of Debian would be > disrupted. I can still remember when Sarge was released, for crying out loud. Yes I mean THIS December, Etch is a bit late of it's schedule, but it is still scheduled to be released in December 2006.
You can install Debian from: USB-stick floppy disk (network install, 2 x 1.44MB floppies) 1 x MiniCD etc.
Well if you want eg. LiveCD, then there already an unofficial project which aims on creating Debian Etch live cd. http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/current/i386/
Or switch to Debian Etch which will be released soon.
Or use Etch, which is much more up to date than Dapper :)
If that "something" is Debian, then remember that next stable is sheduled for released in December :) Etch is well up to date.
"Ubuntu is for those who *can't* or *can't be bothered* setting up debian the way they want" And how do you think those same guys are going to fix these problems in Ubuntu? It sure would be easier to use Debian than fight with problems like that. "Like it or not, but providing decent tech support for something as huge and dynamic as the entire Debian repositry is pretty damn near impossible." Well Debian is rock solid, ubuntu is not as we can see here.
Aggreed, they really should use Ubuntu logo when posting news about Ubuntu problems like these :D
That's bullshit. You really don't seem to know what you are talking about.
I mean Etch currently has eg. Firefox 1.5.0.7. I don't know what are the plans for the 2.0. Ofcourse 2.0 should *NOT* be part of the release, if it is not stable enough, and it most likely is not.
Next Debian stable, Etch, will be released on December and it has eg. Firefox 1.5.0.7.
What 3 years? Sarge was released 6.6.2005, 1 year and 3 months ago.
What????? No, 2Mbit internet connection is not the fastest we have here in Finland, it's an AWERAGE speed of internet connections people have bought here. It's not the fastest we have. Where do you think we live? In Russia? Eg. my ISP is offering 12Mbit ADSL+ for 55EUR/month and 24Mbit ADSL2+ for 63EUR/month. Lucky guys and gals in campus areas already have 100Mbit connection ar home. If you have eg. Welho cable-connection, then you can have up to 6Mbit connection. I don't know if it's possible to get faster speed using cable here, but cablemodem is not the only choise. Most of the people have DSL anyway.
Have you ever seen us AW.net users say anything like that from eg. MorphZone users ? No, atleast i have not seen anything like that and i donä't read only AW.net. I think guys like spread baseless bullshit. Every site has some morons, and you seem to be one of those. So if there is some morons in AW.net, there is those in nMorphZone, ann, morphosnews etc too. And which is worsse, those who defend os or people who acrt like ytou
There is port of GCC, PHP, Perl, Python, Apache, MySQL etc for the Amiga already :) All of those are not latest versions ofcourse, but those are still quite recent uptodate versions.