Smoker here, I don't know about the US but tossing a butt out the window on a total fire ban day here in Australia is looked upon by society as a kind of negligent arson. Most fires here start naturally (lightning), next major cause is power lines, third major cause are the mentally ill, ie: real arsonists.
As for managing the bush with fire, Australian Aborigines have been doing that for maybe 30-40,000yrs.
For example they used fire to clear paths through trees surrounding water, the paths were wider at the top than the bottom where they met the water and were covered in tall grass, the old growth forest either side of the path acted like the walls of a canyon. The natives would regularly burn the grass at the bottom of the path to encourage new green shoots. Kangaroos were attracted to the water and new grass, but they were also trapped in a dead end. Whenever the locals got hungry there was no running all over the countryside for days throwing sharp sticks at a high velocity dinner, they just strolled down the path and clubbed the first roo that panicked and tried to get past them. This landscaping of the environment appears to be the reason that they didn't go the traditional farming route like the Torres straight islanders did, (ie: planting plants and domesticating animals).
The two people's traded with each other regularly so the practise was known to aborigines. I can see their point, why bother with all that work when a bit of clever planning will create a natural pantry right on your doorstep. You want Wild Turkey for dinner? - Just burn a small patch of grass in the late afternoon and wait for one to come looking for his own dinner. You want fish? - just pull a fresh one out of the small pond at the end of the tribes stone fish traps. Vegetables take more skill and knowledge, you need to know where and when to burn in order to promote the growth of food plants. All this knowledge was wrapped in layers of religion and ceremony, which was simply called "the law" (pretty much in the same way the old testament was at one time "the law")
What we white fella's call "pristine old growth forest", aboriginal elders call "poor country, been let go wild". 20kyrs before other civilizations started making huge earth or stone works, these people were sculpting an entire continent into a carefully manicured estate using fire. These days, many aborigines in the north and west of the country are now employed by the government to manage their lands using traditional burning methods, in the south east of the country where the natives and their culture have been all but wiped out, white fella's do regular slow burns in the winter and maintain fire-breaks in the forests. But when a severe multi-year drought hits the best you can hope for is nobody gets killed in the inevitable firestorm. It really is a crying shame that it has taken us 200yrs just to start recognising the unique agricultural and land management practices that were staring Captain Cook in the face when he stuck a flag in the beach.
Bull shit, if you have non-technical people running your bug bounty....
C'mon, read his bug report there was no "if this, then that" in his post, when you translate the teenage gibberish into low level techno-babble it basically says "pwned - pay up". I'm no fan of FB but this guy is on an ego trip and wanted to make headlines for himself at FB's expense, a developer I worked with in the 90's used to do a similar thing when printing out code for code reviews, he would hide an innocuous comment somewhere in 100K lines that said something like "This line has been inserted to test the efficacy of code reviews, it was inserted on and should be removed when found". It was huge rigidly managed project worth ~$100M over 5yrs, they reviewed and planned everything to death, yet it was several years and a lot of dead trees before the "test" was eventually passed
Engineering works because engineers generally work in an atmosphere of good faith between themselves, customer facing engineering processes such as bug reporting are built with that assumption in mind and are easily gamed by trolls. Non-technical people are hired to tackle the fire hose and are only as useful as their on the job training allows them to be, I very much doubt the same people "run the bug bounty". Technical people like me are expensive to hire, to be even remotely competitive any large software house must put a level (or two) of basic filtering between the fire hose of customer "bug" reports and the list of reproducible bugs the expensive technical people are hired to fix.
Also if the FB PR people are smart enough to call off the cops and pay the bounty, will the 'researcher' (lol) be returning those donations to the punters or passing it on to a real charity? - I for one think the donations are likely to stay in his pocket, maybe I'm being too harsh on the boy and the smucks throwing money at him but his cries of victimisation don't match the evidence at hand. At best he is crying wolf, at worst he is doing a "Zuck" - screwing with other people's livelihood's for fun and profit, and no, two wrongs do not make it all right.
Imagine owning one of those things for several years. What happens if the damned thing gets stuck? Or a motor burns out that controls the expansion. Or a gear gets stripped...
That's an odd criticism? - It's really no different to asking what happens if the water pump ceases on an F100, everything has a finite existence and will turn to crap eventually. There's no reason to believe this pile of metal and plastic is any more or less durable than any other pile of metal and plastic.
Are you ever going to have that little space? Unlikely.
These things are aimed at high density city dwellers in Europe and Japan where micro-cars are already very popular and space is at a premium, folding may just be enough to make a difference as to wether one owns a micro-car or a moped/pushbike.
I'm curious as to why so many people are going to great lengths to point out why it's impractical for their personal situation. Nobody is claiming they are a practical choice for the sprawling US/Aussie burbs and the freeways that connect them, why do people feel the need to keep pointing that out? It's like pointing out that most suburbanites need a family car not a Limousine, it's fucking obvious.
No, and yes in many ways it's even wilder than we imagined. eg: the wife is tapping me on the shoulder right now because our WoT battle is about to start...:)
Yes, I thought the same thing, it doesn't tell you anything your not already hearing loud and clear through box office receipts. Also the studios own pre-release screen testing sessions where they test parts or all of the movie on random people would be a much better predictor of financial success. It's just another interesting but unsurprising observation that's been "sexed up" to grab our bored eyeballs.
Selling the ticket cheap gets my butt into the theatre
As a kid in the 60's there was an old movie theatre in our town, Saturday was kids day, it was half price Jerry Lewis movies, etc. It was mainly free from adult supervision, especially in the morning when mums and dads were out shopping (by law, all shops except for milk bars and petrol stations closed at midday Saturday and reopened Monday morning).
Personally I think El-Reg may be experiencing some professional jealousy. The patronising tone paints the Guardian reporters as political ideologues in trouble, but the fact is that investigative journalism is hard and expensive, and the Guardian are world leaders in the art.
Rubbish. George Burns admitted the pips in avocadoes were way too big, and that he thought 15 was "close enough" to middle aged when he created Adam and Eve.
What I think is sad is that so much recent culture has been locked up in corporate basements. Racist cartoons, the black and white mistrals, cowboys patronising indians, high ranking politicians ranting (to loud applause) on such topics as "keeping niggers separate" and "a woman's place is in the home". These were all standard fare on the TV between 4pm and 8pm when I was a child in the 60's. As a teenager I remember getting up early on new years day and I started watching the (Australian) draft pick for the military, my birthday came up and there was a sudden realisation that in 3yrs time "gooks" could be trying to set me on fire with napalm, for the first time politics was up close and personal, thankfully conscription and the war ended before I tuned 18. The vast majority of that material has been made taboo by anything that resembles mass media, but for some reason hard porn is now on tap everywhere, and the mass media are broadcasting soft porn 24X7.
Not that I mind porn, but it's probably the clearest social signal of how different the world is now to when most slashdotter's parents were growing up. At the time I hit puberty some women were out in the street setting fire to their bras. other equally angry mobs of women were out on the street in protest against such things as, a "lewd" statue of david replica in a craft shop window, the movies "Deep Throat", "Alvin Purple", and "The life of Brian".
I think if the taboo on this "culturally embarrassing" material was lifted rather than constantly reinforced by corporate group think, then maybe the 20-something "revolutionaries" here on slashdot would have a better appreciation of the liberties the civil right movement has won, if nothing else it would certainly add some perspective to the loud claims of "lost freedoms".
This is not to say that all the injustices in our society have gone away, they haven't and never will, but if "individual freedom" is the measure we're using, then the world is definitely a better place than it was when I found it 50+yrs ago, "pics and videos" do exists to back up my optimistic claims, it's just that "grandpa nobody" can't access them as easily as he can access (admittedly very amusing) cat videos.
Mate, it didn't start in 1999, nor did it start with Nixon in the 70's, or McCarthy if the 50's, it's been there forever and all sides do it if given a chance.
I'm not an American and don't really see Gore as a politician, even though I remember him as one. I actually like the guy, he's the only US politician that I can think of in the last 20yrs that even comes close to being a geek. He doesn't personally profit from his climate charity, and he's a long way off being a "billionaire".
Freedom of speech doesn't mean Huffington has to bend to the will of random slashdotters, they are under no social/moral/legal obligation to print everything and anything that people post, they can do whatever the fuck they like with THEIR web site, nobody has been stripped of their "rights" here. Same principles apply to Slashdot's "all in" commenting policy, Slashdot's self regulating commenting system exists because Slashdot have the same basic right to set the commenting policy on their own site that Huffington does on theirs.
Last time I looked I was well over 5K Slashdot posts over a period of a decade and I've been a sporadic subscriber, of course I'd like to see Slashdot style commenting policies everywhere, also comment threading, and more than 250chars please. If I can't have that or have to jump too many hoops then I'll simply find another way to waste my time.
There's 45 million people circling the globe that do not have a country and have little hope of finding one legally. I have no idea what the answer is, I would love to say come one and all to Australia but such numbers would triple our populations and it would no longer be a place worth coming to. Drowning in boats run by organised people smugglers is a genuine concern.
As an Aussie I think both major parties are pandering to a xenophobic mob mentality and I get a feeling of nationalistic shame that we would turn our backs on desperate people. Having said that I don't have an answer to what is a genuine problem across the globe or the particular problem of people drowning trying to get here. Sadly large migrations almost universally cause conflict, it's just a fact a life that we all have some xenophobic impulses, civilization helps moderate the impulse but it only goes so far and won't hold up under fierce competition for resources (eg; 2007-09 Syrian drought and it's unappreciated role in triggering the civil war).
The UN convention on refugees was pushed for by (among others) Australia in response to the shameful way large passenger ships full of Jewish refugees at the beginning of WW2 were turned away from port after port, they sailed the seas looking for somewhere to disembark in the US or Europe and many died on board before finding a berth. "Never again" were the words they used when signing that treaty after the trauma of WW2, and yet here we are, again, collectively turning our backs on desperate people.:(
BTW: Make no mistake, Australia First are indeed neo-Nazis. Shooters party are just normal rednecks, good intentions, poor problem solving skills.
Nobody seriously expects him to win, I doubt he expects to win himself. However by forming a political party and entering the race he can have an influence on the other parties by directing his preferences towards or away from them in the election. Even if WL came last their presences may still have a deciding role as to who wins, as I said elsewhere, the political strategies involved in preference deals are complex, WL is claiming it was a just a typo and they intend to direct their preferences toward the greens, plenty of time to correct the public record.
I rate the story at 3.5, a mildly amusing storm in a teacup, I got a lot more entertainment from last week's "suppository of wisdom" story.
Have you considered the obvious? - That Ron Paul and his followers are much closer in ideology to the Australian Greens than they are to either the Australian Neo-Nazi's or the Australian Theocrats.
It's also possible they are telling the truth in that it was a clerical error, the elections are still a few weeks away, plenty of time to correct it. Preferences are a powerful tool the smaller parties/independents use to exert influence on the major parties even if they don't get a seat in parliament. The greens (a significant 3rd party) are the obvious choice for WL, I think they were genuinely surprised to read in the official records that they had apparently been snubbed.
Preference deals are a matter of public record before the election and cannot be changed after the election starts, but the strategic considerations in preference deals are complex and can make for very strange bedfellows. A while back there was a "family first" senator (creationist nutter) who was elected with a 2% primary vote, the rest of his majority came from preference deals. His nickname in parliament was Mr 2%, and on more than one occasion he held the balance of power in a divided senate. The only way preferences can be politically nullified is if a candidate is certain they will attract more than 50% of the vote.
Aussie connections: Assange is an Aussie and the founder of WL. Manning gave his info to WL, WL provided legal aid and advice to Snowden. Assange is not wanted for any crimes in Australia. Our current PM was foreign minster at the time of the Manning leak, he was one of the few notable (western) politicians who supported Assange's "free press" right to publish leaks, and reiterated his right to diplomatic aid as an Aussie citizen. If for nothing else, KRuddy deserves credit for the way he spoke up for Assange and the traditional notions of "freedom of the press", extra credit because the leaks were also politically embarrassing to himself..
Contrast this with how John Howard threw David Hicks and the rule of law under the bus when it was convenient.
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Smoker here, I don't know about the US but tossing a butt out the window on a total fire ban day here in Australia is looked upon by society as a kind of negligent arson. Most fires here start naturally (lightning), next major cause is power lines, third major cause are the mentally ill, ie: real arsonists.
As for managing the bush with fire, Australian Aborigines have been doing that for maybe 30-40,000yrs.
For example they used fire to clear paths through trees surrounding water, the paths were wider at the top than the bottom where they met the water and were covered in tall grass, the old growth forest either side of the path acted like the walls of a canyon. The natives would regularly burn the grass at the bottom of the path to encourage new green shoots. Kangaroos were attracted to the water and new grass, but they were also trapped in a dead end. Whenever the locals got hungry there was no running all over the countryside for days throwing sharp sticks at a high velocity dinner, they just strolled down the path and clubbed the first roo that panicked and tried to get past them. This landscaping of the environment appears to be the reason that they didn't go the traditional farming route like the Torres straight islanders did, (ie: planting plants and domesticating animals).
The two people's traded with each other regularly so the practise was known to aborigines. I can see their point, why bother with all that work when a bit of clever planning will create a natural pantry right on your doorstep. You want Wild Turkey for dinner? - Just burn a small patch of grass in the late afternoon and wait for one to come looking for his own dinner. You want fish? - just pull a fresh one out of the small pond at the end of the tribes stone fish traps. Vegetables take more skill and knowledge, you need to know where and when to burn in order to promote the growth of food plants. All this knowledge was wrapped in layers of religion and ceremony, which was simply called "the law" (pretty much in the same way the old testament was at one time "the law")
What we white fella's call "pristine old growth forest", aboriginal elders call "poor country, been let go wild". 20kyrs before other civilizations started making huge earth or stone works, these people were sculpting an entire continent into a carefully manicured estate using fire. These days, many aborigines in the north and west of the country are now employed by the government to manage their lands using traditional burning methods, in the south east of the country where the natives and their culture have been all but wiped out, white fella's do regular slow burns in the winter and maintain fire-breaks in the forests. But when a severe multi-year drought hits the best you can hope for is nobody gets killed in the inevitable firestorm. It really is a crying shame that it has taken us 200yrs just to start recognising the unique agricultural and land management practices that were staring Captain Cook in the face when he stuck a flag in the beach.
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Bull shit, if you have non-technical people running your bug bounty....
C'mon, read his bug report there was no "if this, then that" in his post, when you translate the teenage gibberish into low level techno-babble it basically says "pwned - pay up". I'm no fan of FB but this guy is on an ego trip and wanted to make headlines for himself at FB's expense, a developer I worked with in the 90's used to do a similar thing when printing out code for code reviews, he would hide an innocuous comment somewhere in 100K lines that said something like "This line has been inserted to test the efficacy of code reviews, it was inserted on and should be removed when found". It was huge rigidly managed project worth ~$100M over 5yrs, they reviewed and planned everything to death, yet it was several years and a lot of dead trees before the "test" was eventually passed
Engineering works because engineers generally work in an atmosphere of good faith between themselves, customer facing engineering processes such as bug reporting are built with that assumption in mind and are easily gamed by trolls. Non-technical people are hired to tackle the fire hose and are only as useful as their on the job training allows them to be, I very much doubt the same people "run the bug bounty". Technical people like me are expensive to hire, to be even remotely competitive any large software house must put a level (or two) of basic filtering between the fire hose of customer "bug" reports and the list of reproducible bugs the expensive technical people are hired to fix.
Also if the FB PR people are smart enough to call off the cops and pay the bounty, will the 'researcher' (lol) be returning those donations to the punters or passing it on to a real charity? - I for one think the donations are likely to stay in his pocket, maybe I'm being too harsh on the boy and the smucks throwing money at him but his cries of victimisation don't match the evidence at hand. At best he is crying wolf, at worst he is doing a "Zuck" - screwing with other people's livelihood's for fun and profit, and no, two wrongs do not make it all right.
Imagine owning one of those things for several years. What happens if the damned thing gets stuck? Or a motor burns out that controls the expansion. Or a gear gets stripped...
That's an odd criticism? - It's really no different to asking what happens if the water pump ceases on an F100, everything has a finite existence and will turn to crap eventually. There's no reason to believe this pile of metal and plastic is any more or less durable than any other pile of metal and plastic.
Are you ever going to have that little space? Unlikely.
These things are aimed at high density city dwellers in Europe and Japan where micro-cars are already very popular and space is at a premium, folding may just be enough to make a difference as to wether one owns a micro-car or a moped/pushbike.
I'm curious as to why so many people are going to great lengths to point out why it's impractical for their personal situation. Nobody is claiming they are a practical choice for the sprawling US/Aussie burbs and the freeways that connect them, why do people feel the need to keep pointing that out? It's like pointing out that most suburbanites need a family car not a Limousine, it's fucking obvious.
Am I the only geezer here today?
No, and yes in many ways it's even wilder than we imagined. eg: the wife is tapping me on the shoulder right now because our WoT battle is about to start...:)
It's not really aimed at US/Australian suburbs. It's aimed at cities like Amsterdam where tiny cars are more practical and already popular.
Yes, I thought the same thing, it doesn't tell you anything your not already hearing loud and clear through box office receipts. Also the studios own pre-release screen testing sessions where they test parts or all of the movie on random people would be a much better predictor of financial success. It's just another interesting but unsurprising observation that's been "sexed up" to grab our bored eyeballs.
Selling the ticket cheap gets my butt into the theatre
As a kid in the 60's there was an old movie theatre in our town, Saturday was kids day, it was half price Jerry Lewis movies, etc. It was mainly free from adult supervision, especially in the morning when mums and dads were out shopping (by law, all shops except for milk bars and petrol stations closed at midday Saturday and reopened Monday morning).
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Personally I think El-Reg may be experiencing some professional jealousy. The patronising tone paints the Guardian reporters as political ideologues in trouble, but the fact is that investigative journalism is hard and expensive, and the Guardian are world leaders in the art.
Rubbish. George Burns admitted the pips in avocadoes were way too big, and that he thought 15 was "close enough" to middle aged when he created Adam and Eve.
I suppose all powerful humans are a cancerous collection only out for their own egos.
It's worse than you think. We are all somebody else's idea of a cancer on society..
What I think is sad is that so much recent culture has been locked up in corporate basements. Racist cartoons, the black and white mistrals, cowboys patronising indians, high ranking politicians ranting (to loud applause) on such topics as "keeping niggers separate" and "a woman's place is in the home". These were all standard fare on the TV between 4pm and 8pm when I was a child in the 60's. As a teenager I remember getting up early on new years day and I started watching the (Australian) draft pick for the military, my birthday came up and there was a sudden realisation that in 3yrs time "gooks" could be trying to set me on fire with napalm, for the first time politics was up close and personal, thankfully conscription and the war ended before I tuned 18. The vast majority of that material has been made taboo by anything that resembles mass media, but for some reason hard porn is now on tap everywhere, and the mass media are broadcasting soft porn 24X7.
Not that I mind porn, but it's probably the clearest social signal of how different the world is now to when most slashdotter's parents were growing up. At the time I hit puberty some women were out in the street setting fire to their bras. other equally angry mobs of women were out on the street in protest against such things as, a "lewd" statue of david replica in a craft shop window, the movies "Deep Throat", "Alvin Purple", and "The life of Brian".
I think if the taboo on this "culturally embarrassing" material was lifted rather than constantly reinforced by corporate group think, then maybe the 20-something "revolutionaries" here on slashdot would have a better appreciation of the liberties the civil right movement has won, if nothing else it would certainly add some perspective to the loud claims of "lost freedoms".
This is not to say that all the injustices in our society have gone away, they haven't and never will, but if "individual freedom" is the measure we're using, then the world is definitely a better place than it was when I found it 50+yrs ago, "pics and videos" do exists to back up my optimistic claims, it's just that "grandpa nobody" can't access them as easily as he can access (admittedly very amusing) cat videos.
Mate, it didn't start in 1999, nor did it start with Nixon in the 70's, or McCarthy if the 50's, it's been there forever and all sides do it if given a chance.
I'm not an American and don't really see Gore as a politician, even though I remember him as one. I actually like the guy, he's the only US politician that I can think of in the last 20yrs that even comes close to being a geek. He doesn't personally profit from his climate charity, and he's a long way off being a "billionaire".
Rush is the only hypocrite in that story, and that's because of his public statements about "drug addicts". Try and keep up commrade.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean Huffington has to bend to the will of random slashdotters, they are under no social/moral/legal obligation to print everything and anything that people post, they can do whatever the fuck they like with THEIR web site, nobody has been stripped of their "rights" here. Same principles apply to Slashdot's "all in" commenting policy, Slashdot's self regulating commenting system exists because Slashdot have the same basic right to set the commenting policy on their own site that Huffington does on theirs.
Last time I looked I was well over 5K Slashdot posts over a period of a decade and I've been a sporadic subscriber, of course I'd like to see Slashdot style commenting policies everywhere, also comment threading, and more than 250chars please. If I can't have that or have to jump too many hoops then I'll simply find another way to waste my time.
You'd have to vote for the Sex Party and the Shooters Party right!
If you invite the Hemp Party to join that coalition, I will vote for it as many times as I can.
There's 45 million people circling the globe that do not have a country and have little hope of finding one legally. I have no idea what the answer is, I would love to say come one and all to Australia but such numbers would triple our populations and it would no longer be a place worth coming to. Drowning in boats run by organised people smugglers is a genuine concern.
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As an Aussie I think both major parties are pandering to a xenophobic mob mentality and I get a feeling of nationalistic shame that we would turn our backs on desperate people. Having said that I don't have an answer to what is a genuine problem across the globe or the particular problem of people drowning trying to get here. Sadly large migrations almost universally cause conflict, it's just a fact a life that we all have some xenophobic impulses, civilization helps moderate the impulse but it only goes so far and won't hold up under fierce competition for resources (eg; 2007-09 Syrian drought and it's unappreciated role in triggering the civil war).
The UN convention on refugees was pushed for by (among others) Australia in response to the shameful way large passenger ships full of Jewish refugees at the beginning of WW2 were turned away from port after port, they sailed the seas looking for somewhere to disembark in the US or Europe and many died on board before finding a berth. "Never again" were the words they used when signing that treaty after the trauma of WW2, and yet here we are, again, collectively turning our backs on desperate people.
BTW: Make no mistake, Australia First are indeed neo-Nazis. Shooters party are just normal rednecks, good intentions, poor problem solving skills.
Nobody seriously expects him to win, I doubt he expects to win himself. However by forming a political party and entering the race he can have an influence on the other parties by directing his preferences towards or away from them in the election. Even if WL came last their presences may still have a deciding role as to who wins, as I said elsewhere, the political strategies involved in preference deals are complex, WL is claiming it was a just a typo and they intend to direct their preferences toward the greens, plenty of time to correct the public record.
I rate the story at 3.5, a mildly amusing storm in a teacup, I got a lot more entertainment from last week's "suppository of wisdom" story.
Have you considered the obvious? - That Ron Paul and his followers are much closer in ideology to the Australian Greens than they are to either the Australian Neo-Nazi's or the Australian Theocrats.
It's also possible they are telling the truth in that it was a clerical error, the elections are still a few weeks away, plenty of time to correct it. Preferences are a powerful tool the smaller parties/independents use to exert influence on the major parties even if they don't get a seat in parliament. The greens (a significant 3rd party) are the obvious choice for WL, I think they were genuinely surprised to read in the official records that they had apparently been snubbed.
Preference deals are a matter of public record before the election and cannot be changed after the election starts, but the strategic considerations in preference deals are complex and can make for very strange bedfellows. A while back there was a "family first" senator (creationist nutter) who was elected with a 2% primary vote, the rest of his majority came from preference deals. His nickname in parliament was Mr 2%, and on more than one occasion he held the balance of power in a divided senate. The only way preferences can be politically nullified is if a candidate is certain they will attract more than 50% of the vote.
Aussie connections: Assange is an Aussie and the founder of WL. Manning gave his info to WL, WL provided legal aid and advice to Snowden. Assange is not wanted for any crimes in Australia. Our current PM was foreign minster at the time of the Manning leak, he was one of the few notable (western) politicians who supported Assange's "free press" right to publish leaks, and reiterated his right to diplomatic aid as an Aussie citizen. If for nothing else, KRuddy deserves credit for the way he spoke up for Assange and the traditional notions of "freedom of the press", extra credit because the leaks were also politically embarrassing to himself..
Contrast this with how John Howard threw David Hicks and the rule of law under the bus when it was convenient.
Let me know when puppet allows me to login to a Windows server and type "yum install exchange-server" :)
The job of a sys-admin is ultimately to avoid manually typing in commands. At least that's how I run my windows build boxes ;)
When you make something available without discrimination, your enemies and adversaries get it too.
What on Earth gave you the idea that freedom of the press was cheap? - Morals and principles have always been expensive and always will be.