Another ignorant fuck who has never heard of the Anthropocene and denies the sixth great extinction. As an environmentalists I do not object to GMO crops or food trucks, nor do I want people to starve, but I would like to see people like you lost in a desert for a few days, not long enough to kill you, just long enough to remind you where your food and water comes from.
Keep digging, when you get right down to the bottom you will find that "wealth" itself is an intellectual construct invented around the same time as agriculture. None of it is "real" because ALL economic exchanges are ultimately based on trust. If you don't trust greenbacks then it just means you are at odds with a "free market" that considers US treasury bonds "safer than gold".
The funny thing is --
Chinese workers are paid with Chinese money. You are paid in greenbacks and I'm pretty certain you would complain if you were handed plain paper.
What some people on the right wing mean by "small government" is - small enough to drown in a bathtub. They believe government is "in the way" and the less there is of it the better. These people are so naïve about human nature that they actually believe social harmony can be obtained via absolute freedom, oddly that is the same problem the extreme left wing "flower power" people had when I was a kid. They expect that people will be fair minded with each other when government gets "out of the way". They think people will respect property rights, etc, without any enforcement. They think a gun rack over the mantelpiece will be a deterrent to an aspiring warlord. Basically they live in a thought bubble blown by people who want to control them, but to do that they must first tear down the protections afforded by the existing social structure.
Now here's the funny/ironic part, these people think a center-right president is the one with the radical agenda!
There is not a scap of evidence for what you claim in your post, unless of course you belive in the fanciful IRIS theory.Yes it's been hotter and colder in the distant past and those extremes usually coincided with mass-extinctions, 98% of all marine species went extinct during the Great Dying due to high levels of C02 turning the ocean acidic. It's not the planet that's in trouble it's our civilization, we can do our worst and life will enthusiastically bounce back after we have gone, just like it has with every other mass extiction.
Each time it's damped out cycles of extreme warming and extreme cooling all by itself
It did that by putting carbon into the ground as coal, peat and limestone, humans are doing their best to put it back in the atmosphere by burning the coal and peat, and releaseing the CO2 from limestone to turn it into concrete. The problem with your sig and issues such as this is that your wrong decisions have a negative effect on everyone else, you rights are not infinite, they end when they negate the rights of others.
Most Aussies call it soccer too, like the US we now have our own style of football "Aussie rules", Aussie rules has it's roots in Gaelic football which I believe is still played in Ireland.
Your correct about kids, I watched it back when I was a teenager in the 70's, Sagan's (paraphrase) "We are made of star stuff, we are the way in which the universe observes itself" is as close to spirituality as I get. The new version will first be aired on Fox, which IMO is exactly the audience that needs to see it more than anyone else, including children.
"Coincidentally" Contact was aired on national TV in Oz last night and today there's a story about the new cosmos on Slashdot. I'm not a big reader when it comes to fiction, maybe a half dozen books a year. I enjoyed Contact in print and film. At the end of the day there can be no accounting for taste - I'm sure someone, somewhere, actually enjoyed the movie adaptation of Stephen Kings "The Stand" after having read the book.
, where as carp are not even listed, despite the political will of a number of anti-carp politicians. Sure there's politics behind the wording and positioning of threats on the pentagons list too, but that doesn't mean AGW not a serious threat to all modern civilization(s) in the form of mass migrations, water wars, global crop failures, collapse of fisheries due to coral beaching, etc, etc
A current example: If you get your news from the mass media (particularly the US branch), you can be forgiven for not noticing that the Syrian civil war was triggered by internal mass migrations. In 2009-2011, 2M people in a country of 20M abandon their farms and headed to the cites putting strain of infrastructure and employment. The cause was not some madman dictator's attempt at social engineering, nor had people suddenly work out said dictator was mad because face book had arrived. It was triggered by the worst drought ever recorded in the "fertile crescent" (historical records span several millennia in Syria since this is the same region humans invented agriculture). A US diplomat stationed in Syria at the time went so far in his warnings as to correctly predict the city where the war would start (source: Snowden cables). It's no coincidence that many of the nations who experienced "the Arab spring" had previously been experiencing high food prices and in some major cities, large food riots. The mass media story was "Facebook done it".
As to hamstrings - Did building the hoover dam "hamstring the US". If not, then why do you think this will "hamstring the US".
Every coal plant on the planet was built and sometimes re-built within my 54yr lifetime, and they will all need to be re-built in the next 50yrs. Replacing them with modern renewable plants (be they rooftop or centralised) in a similar timeframe is a no-brainer as far as the environment and public health are concerned. If not for the novelty of the "renewables" most people wouldn't really notice the transition (same as I didn't really notice them building all those power plant until the early 90's) . The people with billions invested in coal mines have seen the writing on the wall and are running the same good old fashioned anti-science propaganda techniques that the gas light companies used on Edison and Edison in turn used on Telsa. That very human behaviour is not going away any day soon.
The other side of that human behaviour is that every adult on the planet (including me) is granted to fall for propaganda, education helps, particularly in the philosophies of Science and Epistemology but as we've seen with AGW, a good education and above average intelligence do not add up to a bullshit proof suit
We have the same problem with European Carp and Aussie native fish, Carp also "eat" river banks, causing trees to fall over and (in Oz at least) this causes rivers and creeks to widen an lose shade, dramatically increasing water loss thru evaporation. The Aussie experience with carp shows that a dam will not stop them, at best it will slow their spread. This is the first time I've heard this story but a dam to "stop carp" sounds like white elephant to me, about as useful and environmentally sound as a rabbit proof fence.
It's said that the rabbit proof fence had the hidden purpose of segregating aboriginals to the west, it certainly screwed with their traditional movements, perhaps there's more than just misguided efforts to control carp motivating some of the people who want to construct the dam. The dam may well be a worthy project, but from the POV of stopping carp from spreading it simply won't work. All it takes is for some well meaning parent to tell their kid it's time to release the "wild gold fish" he caught, back into the wild.
"by 2020" is too late, way too late to begin to start to talk about things.
Now is also way too late, invasive species are a different kind of problem to AGW, "the fish has already bolted" so to speak, you're past the point of no return, the disaster happened decades/centuries ago and you are now into damage control.
Disclaimer: Science based tree-hugger since the 70's, neither for or against a dam I know very little about, just saying that it probably wont work as you hope even if it was built yesterday, this is because the time for action was in the distant past when people released the species into N.American waterways.
Do not assume the government will protect you - protect yourself.
Supporting anti-pollution, clean food/water laws is an important part of protecting yourself from others who demonstrably lack personal responsibility.
Pay attention, the "five eyes" have been engaged in industrial espionage since the end of WW2. The secrecy surrounding Turing's (and others) code breaking techniques lasted nearly 30yrs, they didn't stop using those methods just because the war was over.
Good point. In many ways a troll is someone impersonating an aggressive moron, however the motivation of the moron and troll are in direct opposition. The motivation of the troll is the anti-social bit that people object to the most, the motivation of the moron is the anti-logic bit that people laugh at the most.
I've always wondered why a person is always able to join a party, but I don't think I've ever seen a party kick someone out.
If you are an Aussie then you need to pay a bit more attention to who is who.
Most of those booted out of the major party are not MP's at the time. Recent example - "Billionaire miner" Clive Palmer who was at one time the Lib's largest financial sponsor was publically kicked out of the Liberal party prior to the last election. He formed the PUP party and narrowly won a senate seat in the last election and it is likely he will hold the balance of power when the new senate is seated (mid-2014). Clive Palmer recently gained federal permission to dump millions of tons of dredgings from his $30 billion coal port project into a nearby marine park on the reef. If your average Aussie threw a chip packet in the same park they would be heavily fined.
MP's normally resign their post and keep their party membership, Victorian state politician Tony Shaw uses this to his advantage and has recently forced the resignation of a premier and a house speaker. Liberals have kicked him out of the party and labour refuses to "negotiate" with him, but Shaw still has his seat and still has the balance of power. Shaw and Palmer demonstrate one of the few downsides of having a healthy population of independents elected.
It sounds odd to me. Breaking Bad was aired on ABC here in Australia - (think BBC), I didn't see it, but it was very popular. The ABC make most of their programs available for streaming via their (excellent) iView website for about 2 weeks after screening. The ABC famously released a long awaited Dr Who episode on their website before airing it on TV, the show has finished for good now so I suppose the owners are about to release an overpriced boxset or something. It seems to me that that people are downloading a torrented version of the same thing and adding it to their private collection. Download alone is not illegal in Australia (other than kiddy porn), technically if you set the client to leach mode then (in Australia) you are not breaking the law, and you're certainly not raiding her majesty's fleet.
Previous attempts to push this stuff have come from opposition or independents with "balance of power" votes. Both major parties for the last 20yrs have used this issue as "bait" for independents, the promise of "inquiry" is normally enough to buy the independents vote, all reasonable observers know the inquiry will go nowhere. This time the push is coming from the federal attorney general, this is something very different and more credible than all the other failed attempts combined. Brandis makes Cheney look like a socialist, his push breaks the 20yr long good/bad cop routine the majors parties have played to screw independents out of their vote (an enemy of my enemy and all that...)
The last mob were merely incompetent, this lot are malicious and openly hostile to anyone who earns a wage or has a science degree. The "Abbot faction" of senior ministers in this government are all riding the same ideological wrecking ball. They are that far from "reasonable" that even Barnaby is sounding sensible in comparison. Turnbull is not one of the inner circle, when Tony falters, Malcom will eat him alive, when that happens we can go back to the normal incompetence we have come to expect from both sides.
You do realize that it is possible to congratulate the winner while also trying to find the cause for a loss, don't you?
Not really, no.
Then how the hell do you expect to ever learn anything? A good sport always genuinely congratulates the winner of a fair completion. A good competitor analyses every race, win or lose. Most people I've seen at the Olympic level are both good sports and good competitors. I don't think the US athletes in this case are any exception to that, it's just the press have picked up on part of the post-race analysis and spun it into a controversy. I would not be surprised to find one of Lockheed's competitors pre-spun the story and handed it to a friendly reporter.
Downloading is not "sharing" (unless you work for the MAFIAA), if you are observant you will notice the MAFIAA's fear campaign has dropped "downloading" sometime over the last few years and replaced it with "file sharing". Most torrent clients allow you to set uploads to zero (ie: leach mode). I'm a Aussie, the extortion racket..err...out of court settlements...run by the MAFIAA does not happen in Oz. They know it would be seen as an abuse of process and they risk exposing themselves to possible extortion charges. As such the Aussie MAFIAA have been threatening US tactics for almost a decade, they have not followed thru for the reasons stated above, nobody pays any attention to their hollow threats other than some lip service from politicians.
I believe the UK branch of the MAFIAA have been met with similar institutional resistance to US tactics, I think Canada is similar, but I'm less sure about France.
If copyright is granted at creation and downloading is illegal, how does anyone browse the web without breaking the law? Aussie law has been the way it is for a long time. I remember we used to have places called libraries that had copyrighted books that people could borrow for free, if you had enough coins and time it was not illegal to photocopy an entire book for "personal use only". In our "big court decision" Kazza was convicted of distributing unlicensed material, the common sense "right to download" was upheld. The real problem in Oz is that 2 of the 3 biggest ISP's are sympathetic toward the MAFIAA, the 3rd (iiNet) gave them the finger and won the ensuing supreme court battle. The MAFIAA copped an enormous legal bill and Aussies rewarded iiNet by moving them up to the number 2 spot.
Recognise that the MAFIAA have a world wide propaganda campaign, they want the public to have the general impression that "other western countries" are tougher on file sharers so as to move the disinterested "middle" toward their extreme view that "downloading is theft".
0x0 If the bit is set to 0, the packet has no evil intent. Hosts,
network elements, etc., SHOULD assume that the packet is
harmless, and SHOULD NOT take any defensive measures. (We note
that this part of the spec is already implemented by many common
desktop operating systems.)
0x1 If the bit is set to 1, the packet has evil intent. Secure
systems SHOULD try to defend themselves against such packets.
Insecure systems MAY chose to crash, be penetrated, etc.
Hints:
Copyright is automatically granted at creation of a web page
Replace "evil" with "illegal content" in the above spec.
The US is in no position to lecture others on the subject of police states. The US incarceration rate is the highest in the world @ 716 prisoners per 100K population, Japan ranks 196th with 54/100K.
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Another ignorant fuck who has never heard of the Anthropocene and denies the sixth great extinction. As an environmentalists I do not object to GMO crops or food trucks, nor do I want people to starve, but I would like to see people like you lost in a desert for a few days, not long enough to kill you, just long enough to remind you where your food and water comes from.
The funny thing is --
Chinese workers are paid with Chinese money. You are paid in greenbacks and I'm pretty certain you would complain if you were handed plain paper.
What some people on the right wing mean by "small government" is - small enough to drown in a bathtub. They believe government is "in the way" and the less there is of it the better. These people are so naïve about human nature that they actually believe social harmony can be obtained via absolute freedom, oddly that is the same problem the extreme left wing "flower power" people had when I was a kid. They expect that people will be fair minded with each other when government gets "out of the way". They think people will respect property rights, etc, without any enforcement. They think a gun rack over the mantelpiece will be a deterrent to an aspiring warlord. Basically they live in a thought bubble blown by people who want to control them, but to do that they must first tear down the protections afforded by the existing social structure.
Now here's the funny/ironic part, these people think a center-right president is the one with the radical agenda!
Each time it's damped out cycles of extreme warming and extreme cooling all by itself
It did that by putting carbon into the ground as coal, peat and limestone, humans are doing their best to put it back in the atmosphere by burning the coal and peat, and releaseing the CO2 from limestone to turn it into concrete. The problem with your sig and issues such as this is that your wrong decisions have a negative effect on everyone else, you rights are not infinite, they end when they negate the rights of others.
Most Aussies call it soccer too, like the US we now have our own style of football "Aussie rules", Aussie rules has it's roots in Gaelic football which I believe is still played in Ireland.
Your correct about kids, I watched it back when I was a teenager in the 70's, Sagan's (paraphrase) "We are made of star stuff, we are the way in which the universe observes itself" is as close to spirituality as I get. The new version will first be aired on Fox, which IMO is exactly the audience that needs to see it more than anyone else, including children.
"Coincidentally" Contact was aired on national TV in Oz last night and today there's a story about the new cosmos on Slashdot. I'm not a big reader when it comes to fiction, maybe a half dozen books a year. I enjoyed Contact in print and film. At the end of the day there can be no accounting for taste - I'm sure someone, somewhere, actually enjoyed the movie adaptation of Stephen Kings "The Stand" after having read the book.
[Carp] should be a more important priority for the US than hamstringing human civilization in the name of global warming
There are sound reasons why AGW is high on the Pentagon's threat list
, where as carp are not even listed, despite the political will of a number of anti-carp politicians. Sure there's politics behind the wording and positioning of threats on the pentagons list too, but that doesn't mean AGW not a serious threat to all modern civilization(s) in the form of mass migrations, water wars, global crop failures, collapse of fisheries due to coral beaching, etc, etc
A current example: If you get your news from the mass media (particularly the US branch), you can be forgiven for not noticing that the Syrian civil war was triggered by internal mass migrations. In 2009-2011, 2M people in a country of 20M abandon their farms and headed to the cites putting strain of infrastructure and employment. The cause was not some madman dictator's attempt at social engineering, nor had people suddenly work out said dictator was mad because face book had arrived. It was triggered by the worst drought ever recorded in the "fertile crescent" (historical records span several millennia in Syria since this is the same region humans invented agriculture). A US diplomat stationed in Syria at the time went so far in his warnings as to correctly predict the city where the war would start (source: Snowden cables). It's no coincidence that many of the nations who experienced "the Arab spring" had previously been experiencing high food prices and in some major cities, large food riots. The mass media story was "Facebook done it".
As to hamstrings - Did building the hoover dam "hamstring the US". If not, then why do you think this will "hamstring the US".
Every coal plant on the planet was built and sometimes re-built within my 54yr lifetime, and they will all need to be re-built in the next 50yrs. Replacing them with modern renewable plants (be they rooftop or centralised) in a similar timeframe is a no-brainer as far as the environment and public health are concerned. If not for the novelty of the "renewables" most people wouldn't really notice the transition (same as I didn't really notice them building all those power plant until the early 90's) . The people with billions invested in coal mines have seen the writing on the wall and are running the same good old fashioned anti-science propaganda techniques that the gas light companies used on Edison and Edison in turn used on Telsa. That very human behaviour is not going away any day soon.
The other side of that human behaviour is that every adult on the planet (including me) is granted to fall for propaganda, education helps, particularly in the philosophies of Science and Epistemology but as we've seen with AGW, a good education and above average intelligence do not add up to a bullshit proof suit
It's said that the rabbit proof fence had the hidden purpose of segregating aboriginals to the west, it certainly screwed with their traditional movements, perhaps there's more than just misguided efforts to control carp motivating some of the people who want to construct the dam. The dam may well be a worthy project, but from the POV of stopping carp from spreading it simply won't work. All it takes is for some well meaning parent to tell their kid it's time to release the "wild gold fish" he caught, back into the wild.
"by 2020" is too late, way too late to begin to start to talk about things.
Now is also way too late, invasive species are a different kind of problem to AGW, "the fish has already bolted" so to speak, you're past the point of no return, the disaster happened decades/centuries ago and you are now into damage control.
Disclaimer: Science based tree-hugger since the 70's, neither for or against a dam I know very little about, just saying that it probably wont work as you hope even if it was built yesterday, this is because the time for action was in the distant past when people released the species into N.American waterways.
Do not assume the government will protect you - protect yourself.
Supporting anti-pollution, clean food/water laws is an important part of protecting yourself from others who demonstrably lack personal responsibility.
Pay attention, the "five eyes" have been engaged in industrial espionage since the end of WW2. The secrecy surrounding Turing's (and others) code breaking techniques lasted nearly 30yrs, they didn't stop using those methods just because the war was over.
Good point. In many ways a troll is someone impersonating an aggressive moron, however the motivation of the moron and troll are in direct opposition. The motivation of the troll is the anti-social bit that people object to the most, the motivation of the moron is the anti-logic bit that people laugh at the most.
I am a self-admitted troll but I do it for the lulz, never maliciously.
Read it again, it clearly includes people who have no empathy.
I've always wondered why a person is always able to join a party, but I don't think I've ever seen a party kick someone out.
If you are an Aussie then you need to pay a bit more attention to who is who.
Most of those booted out of the major party are not MP's at the time. Recent example - "Billionaire miner" Clive Palmer who was at one time the Lib's largest financial sponsor was publically kicked out of the Liberal party prior to the last election. He formed the PUP party and narrowly won a senate seat in the last election and it is likely he will hold the balance of power when the new senate is seated (mid-2014). Clive Palmer recently gained federal permission to dump millions of tons of dredgings from his $30 billion coal port project into a nearby marine park on the reef. If your average Aussie threw a chip packet in the same park they would be heavily fined.
MP's normally resign their post and keep their party membership, Victorian state politician Tony Shaw uses this to his advantage and has recently forced the resignation of a premier and a house speaker. Liberals have kicked him out of the party and labour refuses to "negotiate" with him, but Shaw still has his seat and still has the balance of power. Shaw and Palmer demonstrate one of the few downsides of having a healthy population of independents elected.
It sounds odd to me. Breaking Bad was aired on ABC here in Australia - (think BBC), I didn't see it, but it was very popular. The ABC make most of their programs available for streaming via their (excellent) iView website for about 2 weeks after screening. The ABC famously released a long awaited Dr Who episode on their website before airing it on TV, the show has finished for good now so I suppose the owners are about to release an overpriced boxset or something. It seems to me that that people are downloading a torrented version of the same thing and adding it to their private collection. Download alone is not illegal in Australia (other than kiddy porn), technically if you set the client to leach mode then (in Australia) you are not breaking the law, and you're certainly not raiding her majesty's fleet.
Correct, no Netfix here mate.
We need to keep in contact with Murdoch, there's still a few of you on the outside listening to BBC, et-al.
Damn, I have mod points but have already posted on this story.
Previous attempts to push this stuff have come from opposition or independents with "balance of power" votes. Both major parties for the last 20yrs have used this issue as "bait" for independents, the promise of "inquiry" is normally enough to buy the independents vote, all reasonable observers know the inquiry will go nowhere. This time the push is coming from the federal attorney general, this is something very different and more credible than all the other failed attempts combined. Brandis makes Cheney look like a socialist, his push breaks the 20yr long good/bad cop routine the majors parties have played to screw independents out of their vote (an enemy of my enemy and all that...)
The last mob were merely incompetent, this lot are malicious and openly hostile to anyone who earns a wage or has a science degree. The "Abbot faction" of senior ministers in this government are all riding the same ideological wrecking ball. They are that far from "reasonable" that even Barnaby is sounding sensible in comparison. Turnbull is not one of the inner circle, when Tony falters, Malcom will eat him alive, when that happens we can go back to the normal incompetence we have come to expect from both sides.
You do realize that it is possible to congratulate the winner while also trying to find the cause for a loss, don't you?
Not really, no.
Then how the hell do you expect to ever learn anything? A good sport always genuinely congratulates the winner of a fair completion. A good competitor analyses every race, win or lose. Most people I've seen at the Olympic level are both good sports and good competitors. I don't think the US athletes in this case are any exception to that, it's just the press have picked up on part of the post-race analysis and spun it into a controversy. I would not be surprised to find one of Lockheed's competitors pre-spun the story and handed it to a friendly reporter.
Downloading is not "sharing" (unless you work for the MAFIAA), if you are observant you will notice the MAFIAA's fear campaign has dropped "downloading" sometime over the last few years and replaced it with "file sharing". Most torrent clients allow you to set uploads to zero (ie: leach mode). I'm a Aussie, the extortion racket..err...out of court settlements...run by the MAFIAA does not happen in Oz. They know it would be seen as an abuse of process and they risk exposing themselves to possible extortion charges. As such the Aussie MAFIAA have been threatening US tactics for almost a decade, they have not followed thru for the reasons stated above, nobody pays any attention to their hollow threats other than some lip service from politicians.
I believe the UK branch of the MAFIAA have been met with similar institutional resistance to US tactics, I think Canada is similar, but I'm less sure about France.
If copyright is granted at creation and downloading is illegal, how does anyone browse the web without breaking the law? Aussie law has been the way it is for a long time. I remember we used to have places called libraries that had copyrighted books that people could borrow for free, if you had enough coins and time it was not illegal to photocopy an entire book for "personal use only". In our "big court decision" Kazza was convicted of distributing unlicensed material, the common sense "right to download" was upheld. The real problem in Oz is that 2 of the 3 biggest ISP's are sympathetic toward the MAFIAA, the 3rd (iiNet) gave them the finger and won the ensuing supreme court battle. The MAFIAA copped an enormous legal bill and Aussies rewarded iiNet by moving them up to the number 2 spot.
Recognise that the MAFIAA have a world wide propaganda campaign, they want the public to have the general impression that "other western countries" are tougher on file sharers so as to move the disinterested "middle" toward their extreme view that "downloading is theft".
Currently-assigned values are defined as follows:
0x0 If the bit is set to 0, the packet has no evil intent. Hosts, network elements, etc., SHOULD assume that the packet is harmless, and SHOULD NOT take any defensive measures. (We note that this part of the spec is already implemented by many common desktop operating systems.)
0x1 If the bit is set to 1, the packet has evil intent. Secure systems SHOULD try to defend themselves against such packets. Insecure systems MAY chose to crash, be penetrated, etc.
Hints:
Copyright is automatically granted at creation of a web page
Replace "evil" with "illegal content" in the above spec.
The US is in no position to lecture others on the subject of police states. The US incarceration rate is the highest in the world @ 716 prisoners per 100K population, Japan ranks 196th with 54/100K.
Either that. or the plane had air brakes.