Are the SDMI watermarking algorithms actually copyrighted yet?
Copyright exists from the moment something is written in tangible form, including computer files. So, the answer to your question is 'yes'.
That said, I don't think that copyright covers the technology. It would be better protected by trade secrets or patents. Patents would have to be published, however, disclosing the technology. Has anybody sniffed around the patent databases yet looking for these watermarking systems? As for trade secrets, well, Digital Convergence can probably tell you how well that's working.
Did you run the sound through a Fourier analysis? Were there any missing frequencies or added sub-audible marker tones? Those kinds of markers would survive a re-digitizing attempt, which is basically what you did.
They should be saying "But we want to copy the music illegally. That's why
we're not going to hack it."
Why don't you go take another look at what 'fair use' means? Then consider what SMDI is going to do to it. Then you can come back and rejoin the conversation.
This is a pretty typical corporate "white paper", which is part analysis and part advertisement. When he writes about the "window of vunerability" he's dead on, but when he starts going on about his corporation's product, it starts to sound a bit hyper.
And, I'm not sure that quoting Lloyd's of London is necessarily the best thing. Lloyd's has had some significant hits from bad insurance policies recently.
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I hate to be the one to break it to you, but dopple, tripple and quadrupel are beer styles. The spelling is correct.
No, we're talking about different people getting charged different prices for the same thing, and how the poster is offended by the very idea. The poster has obviously not had much experience with the real world.
Haven't bought airline tickets recently, have you?
In case you don't know, airlines do this all the time, and we're not talking about variations in the $1-2 range, more like $200-$400. It's called 'yield management' and prices can vary by the minute.
Given the attitude you've expressed here, I presume you don't patronize airlines either, huh?
If, on the other hand, you DO patronize airlines, then what does that say about your attitude?
AIM also includes advertising. Clients from other vendors do not have the advertising (I use Yahoo). If AOL allowed other vendors into their servers, they won't get the ad $$$ they are used to.
It's not that simple. At least one version of AOL Instant Messenger used a deliberate buffer overflow that the AOL servers checked for. No buffer overflow - non-AOL client.
I certainly did remember and consider Skylab (I was getting out of college at the time), but discounted it. It was never meant to be a true space station.
I mean seriously. The risks involved in having something sticking out that far that is in orbit is just outragious.
Name 'em.
Why hasn't anyone done a "MoonBase"?... A MoonBase would be a lot easier to build and maintain.. wouldn't it?
Maybe. Moon bases are certainly in the 'talking-about' stage. The trick is, of course, getting enough to the moon to be self-sustaining.
Everyone keeps trying to do these space stations that keep failing and falling apart.
Uh, exactly HOW MANY space station has there been? I count one. The International Space Station is not yet commissioned, so the only example I can think of is Mir. To ask why it's falling apart, you only have to look at the government that's running it. One example does not make a trend.
You build it by starting with a space station in geosynchronous orbit over the equator and extending it both down and up simultaneously (to keep the center of gravity in geosync orbig).
Wouldn't friction from the earth's atmosphere create a huge amount of heat, akin to what hapens the the space shuttle upon re-entry, on the cable?
Naw. From the point of view of the earth, it's a very tall mountain. Mountains on earth don't get hot from air friction. Airplanes travel faster through the air than the cable would.
Also, don't think of this as a wire. It would probably be 100+ ft around at the earth's surface.
Ah, but you are given the chance to refuse. Your refusal to open or use a product is a valid negation.
What chance? I went to Radio Shack. They asked me if I'd like a scanner. No mention of any licensing whatsoever. Absolutely no indication that any license is involved at all. So, you're saying that all it takes is a license posted on an obscure web site, and I'm now obligated to follow it, even though I've never been informed about it? I don't think so.
Your analysis is flawed due to one major reason: In order to have a valid license, I have to be given the opportunity to refuse it prior to committing to it. Just posting it on their web site, and never making a reference to it prior to my accepting their hardware will not count. Because of this flaw, the rest of your argument falls apart.
I didn't 'blow past' the license - I never even got close to it.
If a E*Trade wanted to give me a free device that would let me trade stocks from anywhere, with the agreement that I only use it with their service, they should be able to. And their doing so should be protected from abuse.
Sure, and they can do that by having you sign an agreement up front restricting how you are allowed to use it. Unfortunately for DC, they didn't do that. Too bad.
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My guess is Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator.
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Copyright exists from the moment something is written in tangible form, including computer files. So, the answer to your question is 'yes'.
That said, I don't think that copyright covers the technology. It would be better protected by trade secrets or patents. Patents would have to be published, however, disclosing the technology. Has anybody sniffed around the patent databases yet looking for these watermarking systems? As for trade secrets, well, Digital Convergence can probably tell you how well that's working.
...phil
Maybe not. What if the watermark is somehow audible? Your little side trip through the audible domain wouldn't wipe it out.
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Did you run the sound through a Fourier analysis? Were there any missing frequencies or added sub-audible marker tones? Those kinds of markers would survive a re-digitizing attempt, which is basically what you did.
...phil
Why don't you go take another look at what 'fair use' means? Then consider what SMDI is going to do to it. Then you can come back and rejoin the conversation.
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This sounds a little bit like ActiveWorlds.
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And, I'm not sure that quoting Lloyd's of London is necessarily the best thing. Lloyd's has had some significant hits from bad insurance policies recently.
...phil
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but dopple, tripple and quadrupel are beer styles. The spelling is correct.
...phil
No, we're talking about different people getting charged different prices for the same thing, and how the poster is offended by the very idea. The poster has obviously not had much experience with the real world.
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Totally different. The effort here is to reduce drunk driving by not selling booze cheap.
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Why? Did Amazon charge your credit card more than they said they would?
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So guess what. I don't like being fucked with.
Haven't bought airline tickets recently, have you?
In case you don't know, airlines do this all the time, and we're not talking about variations in the $1-2 range, more like $200-$400. It's called 'yield management' and prices can vary by the minute.
Given the attitude you've expressed here, I presume you don't patronize airlines either, huh?
If, on the other hand, you DO patronize airlines, then what does that say about your attitude?
...phil
AIM also includes advertising. Clients from other vendors do not have the advertising (I use Yahoo). If AOL allowed other vendors into their servers, they won't get the ad $$$ they are used to.
...phil
It's not that simple. At least one version of AOL Instant Messenger used a deliberate buffer overflow that the AOL servers checked for. No buffer overflow - non-AOL client.
...phil
On the other hand, Netcraft says "www.campuspipeline.com is running Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) on Solaris".
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I certainly did remember and consider Skylab (I was getting out of college at the time), but discounted it. It was never meant to be a true space station.
...phil
Anybody know when these things will be actually available?
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Name 'em.
Why hasn't anyone done a "MoonBase"? ... A MoonBase would be a lot easier to build and maintain.. wouldn't it?
Maybe. Moon bases are certainly in the 'talking-about' stage. The trick is, of course, getting enough to the moon to be self-sustaining.
Everyone keeps trying to do these space stations that keep failing and falling apart.
Uh, exactly HOW MANY space station has there been? I count one. The International Space Station is not yet commissioned, so the only example I can think of is Mir. To ask why it's falling apart, you only have to look at the government that's running it. One example does not make a trend.
...phil
You build it by starting with a space station in geosynchronous orbit over the equator and extending it both down and up simultaneously (to keep the center of gravity in geosync orbig).
...phil
You've got the wrong picture. This isn't attached to the surface of the earth. Think of it as a very long skinny satellite, in geosynchronous orbit.
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Naw. From the point of view of the earth, it's a very tall mountain. Mountains on earth don't get hot from air friction. Airplanes travel faster through the air than the cable would.
Also, don't think of this as a wire. It would probably be 100+ ft around at the earth's surface.
...phil
What chance? I went to Radio Shack. They asked me if I'd like a scanner. No mention of any licensing whatsoever. Absolutely no indication that any license is involved at all. So, you're saying that all it takes is a license posted on an obscure web site, and I'm now obligated to follow it, even though I've never been informed about it? I don't think so.
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I didn't 'blow past' the license - I never even got close to it.
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Sure, and they can do that by having you sign an agreement up front restricting how you are allowed to use it. Unfortunately for DC, they didn't do that. Too bad.
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