It's not about being able to afford the power-bill.
It's about the fact that it makes no financial sense to spend (say) $30 in electricity keeping a bunch of old drives running when the same additional capacity in a new disk costs $10.
I dunno...why waste 500GB - 750GB drives, many that are NIB....? I mean, I'd rather use them, then spend a few $100 for new 1TB drives......I mean, the power difference between running a FreeNAS system with 5-6 drives...isn't going to be much different if I'm loading it with 500GB drives, vs 1-2TB drives....??
Or you could buy a new disk the size of everything you're going to connect to this IDE controller for $10 more, use less juice, and be less prone to failure.
Wow...I've seen other posts like yours about the electricity usage.
Are there that many people out there these days, having problems paying the power bill? I mean, if you've got money to have computers laying around wanting to load them with hard drives laying around....I'd have to think you could afford to not be terribly concerned about your power bill.
And many of my drives I have laying around....many are still new in box....or in computers I put together and rarely fired up for one reason or another...not a lot of usage on the used ones, so not worried about failure on them really.
I don't really have anything as small at 100GB drives.......and none of the drives I have bought, were small or out dated when I bought them...just was on sale and a good deal at the time.
I have 500GB ones laying around, in boxes....would like to use them....especially if I could put a box together to use like 8 or more of them....
I think the assumption is that all the drives are old and have been run though the ringers.
If they're like me, and I mentioned this on a previous post....maybe they have a ton of drives, but most of them are little used or even unused in a box.
I have a habit of buying stuff, like drives when I see them on sale...and just set them back for use some day...and kinda forget about them.
I've got computers I was going to use for something....new-ish drive in it...and that box had RAM or MB problems...just sitting there. I could toss those boxes out....use the drives and make use of them with something like this?
My trouble is...not knowing the best configuration for a computer to use...to hook up all these old drives...to be able to hook the max drives up to it.
I have some SATA...I have old, almost unused IDE drives....I suppose set up a couple boxes...but how old? What kind of CPU? For the IDE ones..I guess I could only max that out with 3 maybe 4 drives....but for one with SATA...how many drives could I hook up to that?
But I'd have a use for it...over the years, I've gathered a bunch of disks when on sale...many barely used...some still in boxes....
I'd like a way to throw them all together and use them for backup storage.
From what I've gathered...use FreeNAS, with ZFS...and it will let you set this up, and allow for up to 2x drives to fail at the same time....
I think in my case...this would be reasonable. Heck, if I set up two FreeNAS boxes...had one mirror the other one...that would indeed be a decent backup system, no?
I have a lot of friends like me....often buying stuff on sale for "to use someday on something"...but they just sit and gather dust....I think this would be a good reason to use them, and keep buying new drives, here and there when they go on sale, to replace on the FreeNAS as drive on it do start to fail....
Heck, thinking of keeping one FN server here..and maybe put a 2nd at friend or parents house out of state...to mirror it...
Just been looking at the FreeNAS site, and watching the videos...VERY interesting stuff.
I'm trying to figure out the way to best use hardware to maximize using a bunch of older disks....most in the 1TB range.
I'd get some kind of box...like core2 duo maybe...how would I best hook up the maximum number of hardrives to it?
If a drive goes out....would you just have to shut it down...take out bad drive, plug in new one...turn it on...and FreeNAS would rebuild it? (assuming using ZFS)
Would it work with hooking to it something like what I have sitting around unused...a Sans Digital Towerraid TR5M+(B)? Could I load it up with drives...maybe treat it as a JBOD..and let FreeBSD manage the raid on it...etc?
What are you running at home? A particle accelerator? Who needs all this storage? For what?
Well, lots of things.
Media can suck up a lot of drive space...even if it is all legal!! You might want to rip all your CDs to various formats (flac for good stereo in the living room, mp3s for ipod or car).
Ripping your dvds/blurays...to watch conveniently. Then with all this, you might like a few backups so you don't lose all that ripping work too easily.
I'm about to buy a new high end DSLR....storing pictures....HD video for production...archiving the raw video parts as well as the finished products. Still photos....originals...plus processed ones....redundancy copies for these can eat up a lot of space.
There's a ton of stuff you might want that will eat up space in today's digital world....
Oh and the fog machine. My dorm didn't allow gasoline and oil products in the rooms, to discourage people from putting their scooter in the room, or doing oil changes in the dorms. Maybe they're worked up about fog juice and treating it as automotive lubrication oil.
Yeah, all dorms have rules...but they never really enforced any of them...at least not in my day at LSU.
I mean, we weren't supposed to have hot plates or anything to heat up food...we did. You weren't supposed to have kegs in your room....we did (after dorm crawfish boils, the left over kegs followed us into our room, as did the RA's that we befriended).
Hell, you weren't supposed to have women in your dorm room over night, but I know a guy who had his chick living with him (and his room mate) for a whole semester. Basically in our dorm...there could have basically been an ax murderer come out and take out a whole floor...and no one would have noticed till a week or so later when the smell got even worse that usual.
The early on, Pace Picante salsa commercials, the first one with the cowboys sitting around the fire...complaining that the salsa didn't taste right....then looking at the label saying "This ones made in New Jersey".
The whole group goes "New Jersey"??? And you hear one voice doing..."Get a rope...."
Ok...awhile after that came out...and was established as a funny common commercial...for some reason, they took and re-dubbed it to say "New York City"....and all subsequent commercials along that line always said NYC...never New Jersey again.
i've never been able to find out why they changed that. Did NJ complain? It was much funnier the original way.
Maybe someone in NJ, with the high speed internet can research this better than I, and report back on this....
Why wasn't it simply put up on YouPorn, or some similar website? It doesn't make sense: Let's hide our secret messages in this porn video so that no one can find our messages. And then, let's hide this porn video in someone's underwear... so that... no one can find it?
Hell, it is easier than that. There already are (and have been for ages) USENET groups that are dedicated to nothing but receiving encrypted messages. Often, people will have their chain of remailers post the return messages to these USENET groups...they sit there and anyone can retrieve them, but you need the private key and credentials to unlock them. You also need to know which one is yours within all the 'noise'.
Pornography is prohibited in Pakistan, even when viewing it in the privacy of your own home. It's legal in Austria, the country he was from. So upon arriving in Austria from Pakistan, is it really that unusual?
Sure it is. Why would anyone go to the trouble and potential penalties....and not just wait till he got back into Austria to download all the pr0n he wanted? Seems kinda bass-ackwards to me...doesn't make sense.
I'm trying to picture what muslim pr0n actually is...or how one would even KNOW it was porm??
I mean, you have some films of muslim chicks, covered from head to toe in those burka things....and have to imagine them nekkid underneath?!?
Also, and this is purely my best guess. Not sure I'd want to see them. The men all insist on having those long scraggly beards. I have to guess under the burkas, the muslim chicks are a bit too hairy for my liking. I'm talking 70's porn type hairy, where you'd need a machete to get through it all.
That brings up another question...muslims have food restrictions right? Can they have oral sex legally in their religion?
Considering what I see in the polls, and that no one I know would think of voting for Obama (again for some of them), yes, I think anyone would have a chance beating Obama. Me? I'm not a huge Romney fan, but I'd vote for a small soap dish over Obama.
I mean, his administration has done nothing positive in their years here at all so far that I can tell....legislation pushed through was an abomination, and they've plunged us further and further into debt. They've wasted every opportunity to do something actually meaningful for the economy.
I'll put it this way....I've seen clearly what Obama and cohorts want to do and and tried to do. I don't see them doing anything different.
And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over...and expecting a different outcome.
Simply encrypt everything you keep on Google Drive...I'll bet a company that came out with a cheap, easy to use tool to automate encrypting all data to/from these cloud storage setups, could make some money off said tool....
They don't sell your data to customers, that would be illegal.
You must be in Europe.....
In the US, it is perfectly legal to sell all your data to customers, in fact, there are MANY companies that do just thing....Acxiom is one such example, they have information on likely 98% of the US, and decades ago, they were just then starting to branch out to other countries, I'm pretty sure they have succeeded by now on that front too.
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Well, so much for my planning a vacation to Belize....doesn't sound that safe for foreigners there.....
I dunno...why waste 500GB - 750GB drives, many that are NIB....? I mean, I'd rather use them, then spend a few $100 for new 1TB drives......I mean, the power difference between running a FreeNAS system with 5-6 drives...isn't going to be much different if I'm loading it with 500GB drives, vs 1-2TB drives....??
Wow...I've seen other posts like yours about the electricity usage.
Are there that many people out there these days, having problems paying the power bill? I mean, if you've got money to have computers laying around wanting to load them with hard drives laying around....I'd have to think you could afford to not be terribly concerned about your power bill.
And many of my drives I have laying around....many are still new in box....or in computers I put together and rarely fired up for one reason or another...not a lot of usage on the used ones, so not worried about failure on them really.
I have 500GB ones laying around, in boxes....would like to use them....especially if I could put a box together to use like 8 or more of them....
If they're like me, and I mentioned this on a previous post....maybe they have a ton of drives, but most of them are little used or even unused in a box.
I have a habit of buying stuff, like drives when I see them on sale...and just set them back for use some day...and kinda forget about them.
I've got computers I was going to use for something....new-ish drive in it...and that box had RAM or MB problems...just sitting there. I could toss those boxes out....use the drives and make use of them with something like this?
My trouble is...not knowing the best configuration for a computer to use...to hook up all these old drives...to be able to hook the max drives up to it.
I have some SATA...I have old, almost unused IDE drives....I suppose set up a couple boxes...but how old? What kind of CPU? For the IDE ones..I guess I could only max that out with 3 maybe 4 drives....but for one with SATA...how many drives could I hook up to that?
I'd like a way to throw them all together and use them for backup storage.
From what I've gathered...use FreeNAS, with ZFS...and it will let you set this up, and allow for up to 2x drives to fail at the same time....
I think in my case...this would be reasonable. Heck, if I set up two FreeNAS boxes...had one mirror the other one...that would indeed be a decent backup system, no?
I have a lot of friends like me....often buying stuff on sale for "to use someday on something"...but they just sit and gather dust....I think this would be a good reason to use them, and keep buying new drives, here and there when they go on sale, to replace on the FreeNAS as drive on it do start to fail....
Heck, thinking of keeping one FN server here..and maybe put a 2nd at friend or parents house out of state...to mirror it...
I'm trying to figure out the way to best use hardware to maximize using a bunch of older disks....most in the 1TB range.
I'd get some kind of box...like core2 duo maybe...how would I best hook up the maximum number of hardrives to it?
If a drive goes out....would you just have to shut it down...take out bad drive, plug in new one...turn it on...and FreeNAS would rebuild it? (assuming using ZFS)
Would it work with hooking to it something like what I have sitting around unused...a Sans Digital Towerraid TR5M+(B)? Could I load it up with drives...maybe treat it as a JBOD..and let FreeBSD manage the raid on it...etc?
Well, lots of things.
Media can suck up a lot of drive space...even if it is all legal!! You might want to rip all your CDs to various formats (flac for good stereo in the living room, mp3s for ipod or car).
Ripping your dvds/blurays...to watch conveniently. Then with all this, you might like a few backups so you don't lose all that ripping work too easily.
I'm about to buy a new high end DSLR....storing pictures....HD video for production...archiving the raw video parts as well as the finished products. Still photos....originals...plus processed ones....redundancy copies for these can eat up a lot of space.
There's a ton of stuff you might want that will eat up space in today's digital world....
We just usually refer to them as 'crips'....
Yeah, all dorms have rules...but they never really enforced any of them...at least not in my day at LSU.
I mean, we weren't supposed to have hot plates or anything to heat up food...we did. You weren't supposed to have kegs in your room....we did (after dorm crawfish boils, the left over kegs followed us into our room, as did the RA's that we befriended).
Hell, you weren't supposed to have women in your dorm room over night, but I know a guy who had his chick living with him (and his room mate) for a whole semester. Basically in our dorm...there could have basically been an ax murderer come out and take out a whole floor...and no one would have noticed till a week or so later when the smell got even worse that usual.
*sigh*..those were the days. I remember the 2 day poker/Bourré games we played on a table we'd stolen from a study room, and placed in the elevator....and just rode up and down playing all weekend straight....only taking breaks to pee, grab some food...and replenish the beer in the cooler.
What was that laser thing? That was pretty nifty.....however, somehow, and maybe I'm old school...the party music was seriously lacking in cowbell.
Other than that, I think the kid has a hit!!!
The early on, Pace Picante salsa commercials, the first one with the cowboys sitting around the fire...complaining that the salsa didn't taste right....then looking at the label saying "This ones made in New Jersey".
The whole group goes "New Jersey"??? And you hear one voice doing..."Get a rope...."
Ok...awhile after that came out...and was established as a funny common commercial...for some reason, they took and re-dubbed it to say "New York City"....and all subsequent commercials along that line always said NYC...never New Jersey again.
i've never been able to find out why they changed that. Did NJ complain? It was much funnier the original way.
Maybe someone in NJ, with the high speed internet can research this better than I, and report back on this....
Hell, it is easier than that. There already are (and have been for ages) USENET groups that are dedicated to nothing but receiving encrypted messages. Often, people will have their chain of remailers post the return messages to these USENET groups...they sit there and anyone can retrieve them, but you need the private key and credentials to unlock them. You also need to know which one is yours within all the 'noise'.
Hey, I guess that does show that they aren't all bad.....
Sure it is. Why would anyone go to the trouble and potential penalties....and not just wait till he got back into Austria to download all the pr0n he wanted? Seems kinda bass-ackwards to me...doesn't make sense.
I mean, you have some films of muslim chicks, covered from head to toe in those burka things....and have to imagine them nekkid underneath?!?
Also, and this is purely my best guess. Not sure I'd want to see them. The men all insist on having those long scraggly beards. I have to guess under the burkas, the muslim chicks are a bit too hairy for my liking. I'm talking 70's porn type hairy, where you'd need a machete to get through it all.
That brings up another question...muslims have food restrictions right? Can they have oral sex legally in their religion?
Sump pump?
Hell, we can't even bury our dead underground down here in New Orleans.
I can't figure he'd do any worse....by doing nothing. So any action by him to me, by definition, would have to be an improvement.
Considering what I see in the polls, and that no one I know would think of voting for Obama (again for some of them), yes, I think anyone would have a chance beating Obama. Me? I'm not a huge Romney fan, but I'd vote for a small soap dish over Obama.
I mean, his administration has done nothing positive in their years here at all so far that I can tell....legislation pushed through was an abomination, and they've plunged us further and further into debt. They've wasted every opportunity to do something actually meaningful for the economy.
I'll put it this way....I've seen clearly what Obama and cohorts want to do and and tried to do. I don't see them doing anything different.
And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over...and expecting a different outcome.
You know...if he did, it would finally be one thing I could support that he'd done since he reached office.
It would be nice to like one thing he did, before he (hopefully) leaves office soon....
Aww...man.....don't do that to childhood Bugs Bunny memories.
That stuff is kinda sacred.....like remembering when the USA was a freedom oriented country.
Honestly, unless you are on dial up these days...bandwidth, at least in my case, isn't even a consideration anymore.
I mean, you might have caps on your phones and mobile devices, but not on home (wired) connections...?
Well, I guess that's what you get for trying to marry an Arab....
Man, you gotta love those peace loving muslims, don't ya?
Simply encrypt everything you keep on Google Drive...I'll bet a company that came out with a cheap, easy to use tool to automate encrypting all data to/from these cloud storage setups, could make some money off said tool....
You must be in Europe.....
In the US, it is perfectly legal to sell all your data to customers, in fact, there are MANY companies that do just thing....Acxiom is one such example, they have information on likely 98% of the US, and decades ago, they were just then starting to branch out to other countries, I'm pretty sure they have succeeded by now on that front too.