You comment that you don't mind spending $2000 for a new Mac so you can switch to OS X, but you don't consider the same scenario for Linux. So, why not consider plunking down $2000 on a ThinkPad and running Linux on it?
Because, to paraphrase Clinton, "it's the OS and software stupid.". Seriously, I hear people on slashdot day in and day out talk about hardware choice but are you really interacting with the hardware or is it the software that shapes your experience. I personally do not give a second thought usually to the fact that my MBP has an intel chip in instead of a G4 or G5. Why does the hardware matter so much to you people?
Linux is a fine server OS but it lacks commercial and commercial quality software for the desktop. Even a lot of freeware on OS X blows similar linux software out of the water in terms of usability.
I never invested money in an ipod, due to some of the rantings and ravings about it. What would be its best competition out there on the market? Also, is the ipod store as populated with songs as they say it is? Why do you base your purchase decisions based on how you feel about the views of others? Give different players a try on the displays, ask questions from the store staff and buy which ever one you find to be the best.
I have a feeling that you are trolling but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think you understand. Jobs may have been aware of the back dating and back dating is not illegal. What is illegal is that the accounting people did not adjust their numbers for each quarter where the backdating occurred to reflect this action. It may be that Jobs was not aware that the backdating had not been taken into account for the quarterly statements.
So, it's a matter of size and not the act itself. Okay, let's say Apple sent iPods to music bloggers. What about a situation like that? Are you talking about review units or as a gift? In this case MSFT is not sending them a review unit but rather a gift. I understand that MSFT has given out Zunes to astrotur.... er bloggers recently. I have not heard of Apple handing out a bunch of iPod to bloggers. Have you? I did hear that some journalists did get a free iPod at some of the launch events but then again I do not consider most bloggers to be journalists unless they happen to work as a journalist in addition to having a blog.
But they don't send out Full home theater systems to these reviewers. Sending out a copy of Vista would have been acceptable. You cannot call this a review unit since MSFT does not make the Acer laptops.
I can't remember the specifics, but I'm sure Apple did something similar a while ago. I'm pretty sure you got that mixed up with the free laptops they gave to some independent open source developers.
Yeah, I do. God botherers can do what they like in private. Shoving it down my throat is not appreciated. This is a case of the latter with regards to mentioning it completely out of context just to get it in. It instantly put me off reading the rest of the review.
Bob No, he is not shoving anything down your throat. You are just intolerant of people with views/lifestyles that differ from your own. Grow up for crying out loud. When you live in a pluralistic society you should be prepared to encounter people from all walks of life. You should not feel any different whether he had gone to church or the corner store during the download.
If it was that question, the obvious answer would be get a mac and run OS X. If you really want to install linux software, you could always get Fink but newbie users would not really care about that. What they would care about is usable software.
Actually, Photoshop (for the Mac) is compiled for a PPC processor. On an Intel Mac it runs through Rosetta (the PPC emulator built into OS X). For now, Photoshop users would be better served by keeping their PPC Macs.
The Beta of CS3 was released on Friday as a Universal binary.
interestingly enough microsoft office for windows has the same mac-like inactive window mouse click feature, and I've always wanted to know why That's because Office was originally developed for the mac. Long before MSFT released a true GUI version of windows, MSFT received a prototype mac to develop word and excel for the mac.
Not only does it not count the "allowances" but walk into any Future Shop or Best Buy in Canada and you will see iTunes Gift Cards everywhere at the checkouts.
They also do not explain their methodology for selecting the panel of three thousand people or what demographics they represent.
Apple might not have discrete numbers for music sales separate from iPod accessories but take a look at their fourth quarter results for iPod related services and accessories:
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q406data_sum.pdf
There was a 1 percent drop from the previous quarter and a 71% increase year over year compared with the fourth quarter of 2005.
No. MSFT has the corporate market and some deluded people buy PCs at home because they think they need to be compatible with the corporate world for some reason. Back in the day, Apple used to rule the home PC market as well with the Apple II. The fact that people have PCs at home have very little to do with the effectiveness of MSFT marketing. Rather, it has everything to do with availability of games and some other niche software.
I think the GP was referring to consumer devices like the iPod and consumer macs. If you only count the retail home market, Apple is one of the top brands by marketshare for computers as well.
Talk Origins is somewhat of a misnomer. Nobody is really talking to each other but rather talking at each other. You cannot argue someone into or out of believing something. This goes for both the atheists as well as theists. Faith is a personal matter of the heart and you cannot enter into faith through arguments alone but rather through life experience.
There are a lot of hypocrites on that site. They claim that religious people are closed minded while completely ignoring anything the other side presents out of hand. Science is supposed to be about trying to discover how things work, not about following some new dogma.
Right now, any honest scientist would tell us that they really do not know know the universe began. For a while, the scientific community bought into the Big Bang theory but at some point they observed that their models did not work in the real universe. The invention of dark matter and later on, dark energy were attempt to reconcile what they believed they were seeing with their old models. String theory is an attempt to unify various theories under one umbrella but it unfortunately is not testable and hinges of the existence of dark matter and dark energy. I cannot fathom why scientific community did not go back to the drawing board to create a model that fit the known universe rather than inventing fanciful things such as dark matter and dark energy. They might as well have called it invisible pink unicorns and leprechauns. I cannot help at laugh at the irony of people believing in such things without a shred of evidence while ridiculing religious people for believing what they terms as an invisible man in the sky.
This blind faith in popular theories is not just restricted to theoretical physics but also appears in the biological sciences as well. Science is supposed to be a tool for discovery. It is not supposed to supply the meaning of life or delve into things which are best left to philosophers and theologians given our current state of technology.
Too much of the so-called "science" we see today is nothing more than new age philosophy combined with pseudo-science. I long for the days or practical and applicable science as that is science that could not possibly run in conflict with religion. I also long for the days when science did not depend heavily on suppositions and circular logic. Many of our past scientist were both scientists and theists because they understood that science was merely a study of how things work, not why we are here or whether there is a good.
Ignore me a troll if you wish but I am a theist who views the science of today with a sceptical eye and only trusts theories which have observable proofs that do no depend upon other assumptions. I see the practical sciences to be of a great benefit to society.
That really is funny. Divest yourself from the steve jobs cult for a second.
There is a Steve Jobs cult? Where do I sign up? That sounds so much cooler than the Steve Ballmer cult because all I get is exclusive access to their Warez server on msdn and a crappy plastic card. We also get to watch hilarious Ballmer videos like "Monkeyboy dance" and "Developers, Developers, Developers".
Here's a curveball: Why is MS a bigger and more successful company than apple?
MSFT is bigger because they convinced IBM first to use their OS in the IBM PC (PCDOS) and then turned around and supported all of the clone manufacturers with MSDOS. They also played on Steve Jobs naivety to get a hold of a prototype Macintosh long before the official launch under the auspices of developing software for Mac OS. Their real plan was to reverse engineer facets of the UI and windows was the result of that. Don't believe me? Go pick up a copy of "Pirates of the Silicon Valley".
Someone has their shitty and not shitty mixed up.
No, I can assure you, I work with the shitty windows and the shitty win32 api every day at work and I have used windows since 3.1 but I chose to get rid of my PCs at home in 2003. I have Vista running via Bootcamp on my MBP and I have to say that it is only a slight improvement over XP in terms of user experience.
"Stealing someone else's technology and creating a better selling product with it? Microsoft practically invented the concept."
You had it right except the "better" part. There is an old saying. "Good artists copy, great artists steal." MSFT copies Apple and does a shitty job of it like these knock off artists in China. Apple sometimes steals ideas from linux and even MSFT but recreate them in a way that look better than the original. That is the difference between good and great artists.
As if I can buy a mac and install Yellow Dog Linux or whatever.
There is nothing stopping you from installing Ubuntu on the Intel macs if you are a masochist. I have Vista RTM installed on the other partition on my MBP.
AFAIK Mac's come with OSX and you can't order them without OSX either.
Sorry to be rude but "no shit sherlock". Macs bought from Apple come with OS X installed for "free". The hardware sales subsidize OS X development. If you really want linux, you could install it yourself or talk to the guys at terrasoft solutions. MSFt do not make hardware solutions, Apple does. Therein lies the difference.
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You comment that you don't mind spending $2000 for a new Mac so you can switch to OS X, but you don't consider the same scenario for Linux. So, why not consider plunking down $2000 on a ThinkPad and running Linux on it?
Because, to paraphrase Clinton, "it's the OS and software stupid.". Seriously, I hear people on slashdot day in and day out talk about hardware choice but are you really interacting with the hardware or is it the software that shapes your experience. I personally do not give a second thought usually to the fact that my MBP has an intel chip in instead of a G4 or G5. Why does the hardware matter so much to you people?Linux is a fine server OS but it lacks commercial and commercial quality software for the desktop. Even a lot of freeware on OS X blows similar linux software out of the water in terms of usability.
I have a feeling that you are trolling but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think you understand. Jobs may have been aware of the back dating and back dating is not illegal. What is illegal is that the accounting people did not adjust their numbers for each quarter where the backdating occurred to reflect this action. It may be that Jobs was not aware that the backdating had not been taken into account for the quarterly statements.
But they don't send out Full home theater systems to these reviewers. Sending out a copy of Vista would have been acceptable. You cannot call this a review unit since MSFT does not make the Acer laptops.
Opps. That should be "a copy of Vista".
If they had handed out copies of XP, there were not be a big deal. In this case, they went out and purchased laptops as a bribe.
Bob No, he is not shoving anything down your throat. You are just intolerant of people with views/lifestyles that differ from your own. Grow up for crying out loud. When you live in a pluralistic society you should be prepared to encounter people from all walks of life. You should not feel any different whether he had gone to church or the corner store during the download.
If it was that question, the obvious answer would be get a mac and run OS X. If you really want to install linux software, you could always get Fink but newbie users would not really care about that. What they would care about is usable software.
Do you have a problem with that?
Or you could have just run software update yesterday when the patch for this was released.
Sorry but your macbook does indeed have an LED underneath the plastic. The exploit nolonger works if you updated last night with the patch.
Actually, Photoshop (for the Mac) is compiled for a PPC processor. On an Intel Mac it runs through Rosetta (the PPC emulator built into OS X). For now, Photoshop users would be better served by keeping their PPC Macs.
The Beta of CS3 was released on Friday as a Universal binary.
That is quite common in companies. They will often use the proper "legal" name for the email address and display the preferred spelling elsewhere.
They also do not explain their methodology for selecting the panel of three thousand people or what demographics they represent.
Apple might not have discrete numbers for music sales separate from iPod accessories but take a look at their fourth quarter results for iPod related services and accessories: http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q406data_sum.pdf
There was a 1 percent drop from the previous quarter and a 71% increase year over year compared with the fourth quarter of 2005.
If you look at the numbers of Quarter 2 of 2006: http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q206data_sum.pdf
You see that there was a 1% drop from the previous quarter and a 125% growth year over year compared with Q2 in 2005.
Fork you.
What about the free download of the week? At least in Canada, iTMS uses that to promote indie bands.
I think the GP was referring to consumer devices like the iPod and consumer macs. If you only count the retail home market, Apple is one of the top brands by marketshare for computers as well.
There are a lot of hypocrites on that site. They claim that religious people are closed minded while completely ignoring anything the other side presents out of hand. Science is supposed to be about trying to discover how things work, not about following some new dogma.
Right now, any honest scientist would tell us that they really do not know know the universe began. For a while, the scientific community bought into the Big Bang theory but at some point they observed that their models did not work in the real universe. The invention of dark matter and later on, dark energy were attempt to reconcile what they believed they were seeing with their old models. String theory is an attempt to unify various theories under one umbrella but it unfortunately is not testable and hinges of the existence of dark matter and dark energy. I cannot fathom why scientific community did not go back to the drawing board to create a model that fit the known universe rather than inventing fanciful things such as dark matter and dark energy. They might as well have called it invisible pink unicorns and leprechauns. I cannot help at laugh at the irony of people believing in such things without a shred of evidence while ridiculing religious people for believing what they terms as an invisible man in the sky.
This blind faith in popular theories is not just restricted to theoretical physics but also appears in the biological sciences as well. Science is supposed to be a tool for discovery. It is not supposed to supply the meaning of life or delve into things which are best left to philosophers and theologians given our current state of technology.
Too much of the so-called "science" we see today is nothing more than new age philosophy combined with pseudo-science. I long for the days or practical and applicable science as that is science that could not possibly run in conflict with religion. I also long for the days when science did not depend heavily on suppositions and circular logic. Many of our past scientist were both scientists and theists because they understood that science was merely a study of how things work, not why we are here or whether there is a good.
Ignore me a troll if you wish but I am a theist who views the science of today with a sceptical eye and only trusts theories which have observable proofs that do no depend upon other assumptions. I see the practical sciences to be of a great benefit to society.
There is a Steve Jobs cult? Where do I sign up? That sounds so much cooler than the Steve Ballmer cult because all I get is exclusive access to their Warez server on msdn and a crappy plastic card. We also get to watch hilarious Ballmer videos like "Monkeyboy dance" and "Developers, Developers, Developers".
Here's a curveball: Why is MS a bigger and more successful company than apple?
MSFT is bigger because they convinced IBM first to use their OS in the IBM PC (PCDOS) and then turned around and supported all of the clone manufacturers with MSDOS. They also played on Steve Jobs naivety to get a hold of a prototype Macintosh long before the official launch under the auspices of developing software for Mac OS. Their real plan was to reverse engineer facets of the UI and windows was the result of that. Don't believe me? Go pick up a copy of "Pirates of the Silicon Valley".
Someone has their shitty and not shitty mixed up.
No, I can assure you, I work with the shitty windows and the shitty win32 api every day at work and I have used windows since 3.1 but I chose to get rid of my PCs at home in 2003. I have Vista running via Bootcamp on my MBP and I have to say that it is only a slight improvement over XP in terms of user experience.
Are you saying my Sorny is not legit? What about my Magnetbox VCR or my Panaphonic DVD player?
You had it right except the "better" part. There is an old saying. "Good artists copy, great artists steal." MSFT copies Apple and does a shitty job of it like these knock off artists in China. Apple sometimes steals ideas from linux and even MSFT but recreate them in a way that look better than the original. That is the difference between good and great artists.
There is nothing stopping you from installing Ubuntu on the Intel macs if you are a masochist. I have Vista RTM installed on the other partition on my MBP.
AFAIK Mac's come with OSX and you can't order them without OSX either.
Sorry to be rude but "no shit sherlock". Macs bought from Apple come with OS X installed for "free". The hardware sales subsidize OS X development. If you really want linux, you could install it yourself or talk to the guys at terrasoft solutions. MSFt do not make hardware solutions, Apple does. Therein lies the difference.