Since race is a purely made up and subjective concept it simply shouldn't be used as a factor in the data AI or algorithms use to make decisions. I suspect the issue here is the opposite, there is no reverse racism being built into the algorithms. Frankly, there shouldn't be as the algorithm results disprove a great deal of the justification for reverse racist policies both corporate and legal.
Apples and Oranges. Nobody said anything about perfecting soccer as GP indicated and they are not teaching the same AI that won go how to play soccer, they are building a new AI custom designed to win at soccer. Arguably AlphaGO wasn't even a single AI.
The problem is the assumption that AI will beat humans at every given task. When we can interactively teach a running program a variety of tasks and have it perform on par with human subjects we've accomplished a human level AI. If we are trying to outperform humans with a program that has less processing power and memory than actual humans like AlphaGO we need specialized implementation. Also, there is the slight problem that the AI isn't truly intelligence until it is deciding for itself what it cares to learn and how it cares to spend it's time.
This has nothing to do with "poaching talent" and everything to do with opening a backdoor for Tech companies. Tech companies are claiming "shortages" in tens of thousands while slashing hundreds of thousands of US workers each year. What tech companies want isn't to be able to fill chairs, they can do that with US talent, they don't want tech workers to have a negotiating position with rising salaries year over year. Since the US remains the largest market it isn't practical to export most positions due to poor/distant infrastructure. Canada doesn't have the labor pool but it is right next door and has decent low latency infrastructure. So import your asian labor into the canadian wing of your company.
Remember this every time somebody tries to sell you something that benefits the US economy by stimulating "US based" companies, these are global companies now. They and the top 0.01% by wealth who hold 40% of US wealth have absolutely no loyalty to the US beyond the size of its market, they are NOT US companies and they will gladly jump ship with the wealth they've siphoned off us in a heartbeat the moment it yields the best numbers on paper. They have no qualms about using imminent domain for their latest building project that will ruin lives but for some reason they've got you snowed into thinking turnabout to reclaim 40% of our nations wealth "ruining their lives" to the tune of getting a job would be the greatest of evils.
"Did you just seriously say "who cares if they influence our election"?"
Yes, yes I did. What difference does it make if the people who provided the information that swayed your vote are American, Chinese, Russian, etc? The information matters not the source. Would you shoot yourself in the foot with a shotgun if Putin was trying to convince you not to?
If the Russians were the only reason we saw the accurate information which swayed us in the polls they did us a favor, their reason for doing so is beside the point. Accurate information is knowledge, knowledge is power, providing information to sway our voters is also empowering them.
I was referring to enterprise scale, it is not a good plan to "spin up an admin" with any level of seriousness in a large fortune 500 environment. You can move a dev onto the team and have him spend a few years becoming an admin but by the time he is up to enterprise level as an admin he won't be up to date as a dev anymore and you'll have an admin with some dev skills and not a dev. Which isn't to say he couldn't become one again or handle a dev hat at some places.
You aren't simply going to adopt another hat and build an environment that can deliver 3+ 9's and take 10,000+ thousand requests per second with petabytes of data on the backend and PCI complaint pieces etc. But sure, a dev could probably get the job done taking over as the sole hand somewhere small enough that is feasible like the local library system or a university or something.
Coders have a higher potential ceiling but enterprise level ops people make well into six figures and that is on par or better than most coders and within the ballpark of enterprise coders outside the Valley. Devops people around here (not NY or Cali) pretty much universally make six figures.
"Yes, because the extreme minority of transsexuals is the deciding factor here, not the fact that America denies basic science and shifts all the money towards useless managers."
I think the issue is that transsexuals and all things concerning them is an issue that impacts few enough people to effectively amount to statistical noise and those in power keep us so busy talking about issues like this and dumbing down our education.
If they didn't keep us divided and uneducated someone might realize that almost all of the problems shared by 99.99% of our population could be solved or improved by exercising imminent domain on the half of nations wealth being siphoned off by just 0.01% of our population. Best of all the group negatively impacted is smaller with a much smaller individual impact than the disruptions caused by that group each day. It's the easiest lesser of evils decisions you will ever make and the best choice both for personal and community interests for 99.99% of us. Hell, the worst you are doing to any of them is making a handful of people who have had every advantage in terms of education get jobs and join the working class.
Definitely, this was true throughout the dial-up days when bandwidth was precious and you depended on the vendor providing the bandwidth by hosting a demo version of the app and piracy just required passing around the crack files to unlock the demos. Reverse engineering was hard and took a great deal of time and skill and most of my warez contacts were from eastern Europe.
The president is a moron but currently I'm a lot more concerned about the media. Normally claiming the media is controlled and working for a political party or special interest is the stuff of paranoid conspiracy theorists but what is happening now is so blatant and overt you'd need to have no critical thinking skills whatsoever or be completely blinded by partisanship to the point of failing to employ them to come to any other conclusion.
Bullets are typically jacketed, lead is no longer in our paint, fuels, pipes or anything else we've been able to find an alternative for. The dangers of lead are taught early and often as are the dangers of a weak population that demands of those in power without having any teeth to go with their bark.
The dangers of having a disarmed population should become very apparent after having suffered a foreign invasion but apparently being mowed down like grass at the hands of fairly small and weak military during world war II failed to teach that lesson to Europeans. Note what a sharp contrast there was when the most powerful military in the world attacked a nation like Iraq or Afghanistan where the governments collapsed quickly but even the poorly armed population was able to hold out and make life uncomfortable for the occupiers until they left or the even more obvious example of the heavily armed Swiss population which the Nazi's skirted right around despite the great wealth located there. Perhaps Europeans will learn from history eventually.
Why be ashamed? Americans are generally reasonably well versed in US geography, knowing the capitals, major cities, and some of the more notable features of the 50 states any one of which is comparable to most nations and the least of which is more significant than Malta. Europeans are not used to nations that are large enough to be geography course of their own rather just be part of one.
I also suspect there is probably more of a remnant of the dated idea that volume and detail of memorization equates to education and intelligence in European education. If you are taking more time memorizing something than you are likely to spend looking it up should you need it you are managing your time poorly. You could use that wasted time to learn or something useful or enjoyable and time is the one resource none of us can get more of.
" It's not your job to educate me, and I'm not entitled to your elucidation."
If one is going to burden others with a tale relating to an obscure topic or destination one has implicitly assumed the burden of answering any questions required to familiarize the listeners with what one is talking about. To do otherwise would suggest one just likes to oneself speak and perhaps even enjoys feeling superior to others and that is something one should be ashamed of.
"We should be ashamed of everything we don't know. That we can't know everything is a given, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards the unreachable goal"
So by your logic if we were having a conversation and I mentioned I'd be visiting a cousin of mine you weren't familiar with, your solution would be to go awkwardly silent with your extreme shame and attempt to look up my cousin in a crusty and dated encyclopedia set later? You must spend a great deal of time wallowing in shame.
Failing to ask questions of those who have knowledge when you don't know things seems like a poor way to cure ignorance.
Yes, but in fairness massaging that data and evidence to suit a position has become so much an art that nobody really trusts anything unless it reaffirms what they suspect already or are neutral toward.
One I often point at is "gun crime" statistics where guns are more readily available. Of course "gun" crime goes up when guns are more readily available, but "gun crime" was only labeled and categorized separately so someone could have a statistic which implies, but in no way supports, the idea that crime goes up when guns are more readily available. In other news the "wood construction" statistic goes up when wood is more readily available and pointing that out along with my advocacy of the lumber industry would imply, but in no way support, the idea that more construction happens when wood is more readily available.
Maybe guns lead to more crime, maybe wood leads to more construction but "gun crime" and "wood construction" rates don't establish either because availability could simply could have changed which tool someone used for a job they would have done anyway. Anyone with critical thinking skills recognizes this, sadly we've become a culture where they lack the integrity to point it out if they support the underlying cause.
Unfortunately the major media has become so heavily and blatantly politically biased in the US that it isn't a credible source of information. Even our science is often that way with the bias in what is being investigated and what not being investigated and the spin and bias applied to the interpretation of the data if not the actual data itself. When you can't trust information from others personal experience becomes your most reliable source of information.
Nah, those are just political tools. If you give people an enemy to war against they spend less time examining you and give you a tool you can use to justify power grabs and watering down their rights. If you get really lucky it will be controversial and divide people into strongly in support and against, division is the first step to conquest. Why do you think the powerful elite decided to control the populace with two political parties and then carefully choose hot button issues that don't hurt the wealthy either way and neatly split up the population down as many lines as possible.
That is going a bit far. There is only so much time in the day, even someone who spends all of it learning (which is certain going to minimize their ability to DO anything) would have to "not bother" learning more things than not. The probability that a piece of knowledge will be useful is a reasonable filter for choosing which things to "bother" learning.
That said, learning at least the locations and capitals of every nation in the world is standard curriculum in U.S. elementary schools but most don't retain that information because they never use it. For most it falls under the category of trivia, the most you'd get out of it is saving a google search when something that also won't impact you happens there and is mentioned on the news.
"It's not that he didn't know, but that he had no embarrassment or shame whatsoever."
Why should be ashamed? Everyone is ignorant so there is no shame in it. He immediately took action to cure his ignorance by asking the question. Literally every question asked by anyone is a declaration of ignorance. The only time it is shameful is if you are wasting someone's time looking for easy answers you should be puzzling out for yourself but for the purpose of having context in the middle of a conversation geography self-study is hardly more practical than just asking.
I have to wonder, is there something about Geography in particular you think makes it shameful? In the US our schools certainly spend more time on that within the US than the world at large but at some point in grade school everyone memorizes the capitals and fills out names on the map.... most people don't retain that since it is only practical knowledge for a small subset of the population.
Look at this another way, do you think it likely that man's life would personally impacted if every person in Malta died of a plague that died with them tomorrow or someone started bombing them? Probably not. On the other side of the pond there are an extremely large number of countries that are relatively important, the only thing knowing their names and being able to point to them on a map will do is save you the trouble of looking it up to satisfy your curiosity when some disaster that has no impact on you gets mentioned on the news.
I'm assuming you haven't driven a Telsa which can go in reverse just as quickly as forward without needing silly mechanical shifting or even messy and leaking explosions under the hood like those antiquated caveman cars.
I'm sure you are right, they are certainly spending mountains of time covering everything not leak-worthy he is doing and trying to spin it as much as possible. They were always biased but the overt level of bias, spin, and falsehood on CNN and friends is on par with Fox News these days.
They spent days trying to spin a tweet by Trump that Comey better hope there aren't any tapes of their conversations as some kind of threat when any sane person can fill in from context "because they'd prove you are lying and told me I wasn't under investigation."
Hell, Putin said the most sane thing yet in any of this, the only evidence of Russian hacking are Russian IP's, a child can spoof their IP. No Russian state hacker is going to show up in your logs with a Russian IP, they aren't incompetent. Who cares if Russia wanted to influence our elections? Are we bringing back the conversative anti-Russian nonsense and propaganda from McCarthy and the cold war? The material revealed showed active collusion between the DNC and Clinton campaign against sanders and that domestic corruption is a much much more serious issue.
"So you think the reverse makes sense? Have you seen some of the code ops people put together (shudders)? "
But they aren't building applications here, the "code" is just a syntax for configuration of ops systems. It's better to have someone with poor coding style than someone who doesn't know what that code SHOULD be doing on the underlying systems and how to manually validate that result for sound practices. Honestly, the whole concept is terrible. You use home grown scripts to fill holes and any sane ops person minimizes the amount of code you have to maintain in ops, devops makes your entire environment an unstable home grown application. We don't put packages into production that haven't cooked as "stable" releases for half a decade or more but we are going to continuously deploy changes in a system written this week with little more some automated tests and maybe some minimal stage environment testing? *shudders*
As an American I fail to see how any of this is a bad thing. There was never a shortage of US talent who could fill jobs just a shortage of companies who liked the fact talented workers were scarce enough to command high salaries and had leverage at the table. They also don't want to admit that learning on the job is the job in technology, any large environment takes a year or so to become versed with the tech details as implemented in that environment and in that time a skilled tech worker can fill any gaps or blanks in their experience vs what is used at that company. You don't actually need someone skilled with all your devops tools in a devops roll for instance, anyone with a solid ops record can learn the additional tools alongside unwinding the mess that is your corporate environment and the person who can "hit the ground running" without that year simply doesn't exist though some are more effective at faking it during the transition than others.
Actually you still need the system administrators as well. Developers might think they are competent to administer the systems and that is fine for dev but they aren't up to engineering stable production environments. The problem with "devops" is that far too many people think developers handling ops is a sane choice when proper use of these systems is for real ops engineers to employ some dev tools.
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Since race is a purely made up and subjective concept it simply shouldn't be used as a factor in the data AI or algorithms use to make decisions. I suspect the issue here is the opposite, there is no reverse racism being built into the algorithms. Frankly, there shouldn't be as the algorithm results disprove a great deal of the justification for reverse racist policies both corporate and legal.
Apples and Oranges. Nobody said anything about perfecting soccer as GP indicated and they are not teaching the same AI that won go how to play soccer, they are building a new AI custom designed to win at soccer. Arguably AlphaGO wasn't even a single AI.
The problem is the assumption that AI will beat humans at every given task. When we can interactively teach a running program a variety of tasks and have it perform on par with human subjects we've accomplished a human level AI. If we are trying to outperform humans with a program that has less processing power and memory than actual humans like AlphaGO we need specialized implementation. Also, there is the slight problem that the AI isn't truly intelligence until it is deciding for itself what it cares to learn and how it cares to spend it's time.
That isn't going to help Netflix, startups, and my plex server is it?
This has nothing to do with "poaching talent" and everything to do with opening a backdoor for Tech companies. Tech companies are claiming "shortages" in tens of thousands while slashing hundreds of thousands of US workers each year. What tech companies want isn't to be able to fill chairs, they can do that with US talent, they don't want tech workers to have a negotiating position with rising salaries year over year. Since the US remains the largest market it isn't practical to export most positions due to poor/distant infrastructure. Canada doesn't have the labor pool but it is right next door and has decent low latency infrastructure. So import your asian labor into the canadian wing of your company.
Remember this every time somebody tries to sell you something that benefits the US economy by stimulating "US based" companies, these are global companies now. They and the top 0.01% by wealth who hold 40% of US wealth have absolutely no loyalty to the US beyond the size of its market, they are NOT US companies and they will gladly jump ship with the wealth they've siphoned off us in a heartbeat the moment it yields the best numbers on paper. They have no qualms about using imminent domain for their latest building project that will ruin lives but for some reason they've got you snowed into thinking turnabout to reclaim 40% of our nations wealth "ruining their lives" to the tune of getting a job would be the greatest of evils.
"Did you just seriously say "who cares if they influence our election"?"
Yes, yes I did. What difference does it make if the people who provided the information that swayed your vote are American, Chinese, Russian, etc? The information matters not the source. Would you shoot yourself in the foot with a shotgun if Putin was trying to convince you not to?
If the Russians were the only reason we saw the accurate information which swayed us in the polls they did us a favor, their reason for doing so is beside the point. Accurate information is knowledge, knowledge is power, providing information to sway our voters is also empowering them.
I was referring to enterprise scale, it is not a good plan to "spin up an admin" with any level of seriousness in a large fortune 500 environment. You can move a dev onto the team and have him spend a few years becoming an admin but by the time he is up to enterprise level as an admin he won't be up to date as a dev anymore and you'll have an admin with some dev skills and not a dev. Which isn't to say he couldn't become one again or handle a dev hat at some places.
You aren't simply going to adopt another hat and build an environment that can deliver 3+ 9's and take 10,000+ thousand requests per second with petabytes of data on the backend and PCI complaint pieces etc. But sure, a dev could probably get the job done taking over as the sole hand somewhere small enough that is feasible like the local library system or a university or something.
Coders have a higher potential ceiling but enterprise level ops people make well into six figures and that is on par or better than most coders and within the ballpark of enterprise coders outside the Valley. Devops people around here (not NY or Cali) pretty much universally make six figures.
"Yes, because the extreme minority of transsexuals is the deciding factor here, not the fact that America denies basic science and shifts all the money towards useless managers."
I think the issue is that transsexuals and all things concerning them is an issue that impacts few enough people to effectively amount to statistical noise and those in power keep us so busy talking about issues like this and dumbing down our education.
If they didn't keep us divided and uneducated someone might realize that almost all of the problems shared by 99.99% of our population could be solved or improved by exercising imminent domain on the half of nations wealth being siphoned off by just 0.01% of our population. Best of all the group negatively impacted is smaller with a much smaller individual impact than the disruptions caused by that group each day. It's the easiest lesser of evils decisions you will ever make and the best choice both for personal and community interests for 99.99% of us. Hell, the worst you are doing to any of them is making a handful of people who have had every advantage in terms of education get jobs and join the working class.
This is the myth, the reality is this just results in you having to do all the work.
Definitely, this was true throughout the dial-up days when bandwidth was precious and you depended on the vendor providing the bandwidth by hosting a demo version of the app and piracy just required passing around the crack files to unlock the demos. Reverse engineering was hard and took a great deal of time and skill and most of my warez contacts were from eastern Europe.
The president is a moron but currently I'm a lot more concerned about the media. Normally claiming the media is controlled and working for a political party or special interest is the stuff of paranoid conspiracy theorists but what is happening now is so blatant and overt you'd need to have no critical thinking skills whatsoever or be completely blinded by partisanship to the point of failing to employ them to come to any other conclusion.
Bullets are typically jacketed, lead is no longer in our paint, fuels, pipes or anything else we've been able to find an alternative for. The dangers of lead are taught early and often as are the dangers of a weak population that demands of those in power without having any teeth to go with their bark.
The dangers of having a disarmed population should become very apparent after having suffered a foreign invasion but apparently being mowed down like grass at the hands of fairly small and weak military during world war II failed to teach that lesson to Europeans. Note what a sharp contrast there was when the most powerful military in the world attacked a nation like Iraq or Afghanistan where the governments collapsed quickly but even the poorly armed population was able to hold out and make life uncomfortable for the occupiers until they left or the even more obvious example of the heavily armed Swiss population which the Nazi's skirted right around despite the great wealth located there. Perhaps Europeans will learn from history eventually.
Why be ashamed? Americans are generally reasonably well versed in US geography, knowing the capitals, major cities, and some of the more notable features of the 50 states any one of which is comparable to most nations and the least of which is more significant than Malta. Europeans are not used to nations that are large enough to be geography course of their own rather just be part of one.
I also suspect there is probably more of a remnant of the dated idea that volume and detail of memorization equates to education and intelligence in European education. If you are taking more time memorizing something than you are likely to spend looking it up should you need it you are managing your time poorly. You could use that wasted time to learn or something useful or enjoyable and time is the one resource none of us can get more of.
" It's not your job to educate me, and I'm not entitled to your elucidation."
If one is going to burden others with a tale relating to an obscure topic or destination one has implicitly assumed the burden of answering any questions required to familiarize the listeners with what one is talking about. To do otherwise would suggest one just likes to oneself speak and perhaps even enjoys feeling superior to others and that is something one should be ashamed of.
"We should be ashamed of everything we don't know. That we can't know everything is a given, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards the unreachable goal"
So by your logic if we were having a conversation and I mentioned I'd be visiting a cousin of mine you weren't familiar with, your solution would be to go awkwardly silent with your extreme shame and attempt to look up my cousin in a crusty and dated encyclopedia set later? You must spend a great deal of time wallowing in shame.
Failing to ask questions of those who have knowledge when you don't know things seems like a poor way to cure ignorance.
"faced with actual data and solid evidence"
Yes, but in fairness massaging that data and evidence to suit a position has become so much an art that nobody really trusts anything unless it reaffirms what they suspect already or are neutral toward.
One I often point at is "gun crime" statistics where guns are more readily available. Of course "gun" crime goes up when guns are more readily available, but "gun crime" was only labeled and categorized separately so someone could have a statistic which implies, but in no way supports, the idea that crime goes up when guns are more readily available. In other news the "wood construction" statistic goes up when wood is more readily available and pointing that out along with my advocacy of the lumber industry would imply, but in no way support, the idea that more construction happens when wood is more readily available.
Maybe guns lead to more crime, maybe wood leads to more construction but "gun crime" and "wood construction" rates don't establish either because availability could simply could have changed which tool someone used for a job they would have done anyway. Anyone with critical thinking skills recognizes this, sadly we've become a culture where they lack the integrity to point it out if they support the underlying cause.
Unfortunately the major media has become so heavily and blatantly politically biased in the US that it isn't a credible source of information. Even our science is often that way with the bias in what is being investigated and what not being investigated and the spin and bias applied to the interpretation of the data if not the actual data itself. When you can't trust information from others personal experience becomes your most reliable source of information.
"the Wars On Stuff "
Nah, those are just political tools. If you give people an enemy to war against they spend less time examining you and give you a tool you can use to justify power grabs and watering down their rights. If you get really lucky it will be controversial and divide people into strongly in support and against, division is the first step to conquest. Why do you think the powerful elite decided to control the populace with two political parties and then carefully choose hot button issues that don't hurt the wealthy either way and neatly split up the population down as many lines as possible.
That is going a bit far. There is only so much time in the day, even someone who spends all of it learning (which is certain going to minimize their ability to DO anything) would have to "not bother" learning more things than not. The probability that a piece of knowledge will be useful is a reasonable filter for choosing which things to "bother" learning.
That said, learning at least the locations and capitals of every nation in the world is standard curriculum in U.S. elementary schools but most don't retain that information because they never use it. For most it falls under the category of trivia, the most you'd get out of it is saving a google search when something that also won't impact you happens there and is mentioned on the news.
"It's not that he didn't know, but that he had no embarrassment or shame whatsoever."
Why should be ashamed? Everyone is ignorant so there is no shame in it. He immediately took action to cure his ignorance by asking the question. Literally every question asked by anyone is a declaration of ignorance. The only time it is shameful is if you are wasting someone's time looking for easy answers you should be puzzling out for yourself but for the purpose of having context in the middle of a conversation geography self-study is hardly more practical than just asking.
I have to wonder, is there something about Geography in particular you think makes it shameful? In the US our schools certainly spend more time on that within the US than the world at large but at some point in grade school everyone memorizes the capitals and fills out names on the map.... most people don't retain that since it is only practical knowledge for a small subset of the population.
Look at this another way, do you think it likely that man's life would personally impacted if every person in Malta died of a plague that died with them tomorrow or someone started bombing them? Probably not. On the other side of the pond there are an extremely large number of countries that are relatively important, the only thing knowing their names and being able to point to them on a map will do is save you the trouble of looking it up to satisfy your curiosity when some disaster that has no impact on you gets mentioned on the news.
Nice. It did shock me to discover that most Vets don't make more than your typical office worker though.
I'm assuming you haven't driven a Telsa which can go in reverse just as quickly as forward without needing silly mechanical shifting or even messy and leaking explosions under the hood like those antiquated caveman cars.
I'm sure you are right, they are certainly spending mountains of time covering everything not leak-worthy he is doing and trying to spin it as much as possible. They were always biased but the overt level of bias, spin, and falsehood on CNN and friends is on par with Fox News these days.
They spent days trying to spin a tweet by Trump that Comey better hope there aren't any tapes of their conversations as some kind of threat when any sane person can fill in from context "because they'd prove you are lying and told me I wasn't under investigation."
Hell, Putin said the most sane thing yet in any of this, the only evidence of Russian hacking are Russian IP's, a child can spoof their IP. No Russian state hacker is going to show up in your logs with a Russian IP, they aren't incompetent. Who cares if Russia wanted to influence our elections? Are we bringing back the conversative anti-Russian nonsense and propaganda from McCarthy and the cold war? The material revealed showed active collusion between the DNC and Clinton campaign against sanders and that domestic corruption is a much much more serious issue.
"So you think the reverse makes sense? Have you seen some of the code ops people put together (shudders)? "
But they aren't building applications here, the "code" is just a syntax for configuration of ops systems. It's better to have someone with poor coding style than someone who doesn't know what that code SHOULD be doing on the underlying systems and how to manually validate that result for sound practices. Honestly, the whole concept is terrible. You use home grown scripts to fill holes and any sane ops person minimizes the amount of code you have to maintain in ops, devops makes your entire environment an unstable home grown application. We don't put packages into production that haven't cooked as "stable" releases for half a decade or more but we are going to continuously deploy changes in a system written this week with little more some automated tests and maybe some minimal stage environment testing? *shudders*
As an American I fail to see how any of this is a bad thing. There was never a shortage of US talent who could fill jobs just a shortage of companies who liked the fact talented workers were scarce enough to command high salaries and had leverage at the table. They also don't want to admit that learning on the job is the job in technology, any large environment takes a year or so to become versed with the tech details as implemented in that environment and in that time a skilled tech worker can fill any gaps or blanks in their experience vs what is used at that company. You don't actually need someone skilled with all your devops tools in a devops roll for instance, anyone with a solid ops record can learn the additional tools alongside unwinding the mess that is your corporate environment and the person who can "hit the ground running" without that year simply doesn't exist though some are more effective at faking it during the transition than others.
Actually you still need the system administrators as well. Developers might think they are competent to administer the systems and that is fine for dev but they aren't up to engineering stable production environments. The problem with "devops" is that far too many people think developers handling ops is a sane choice when proper use of these systems is for real ops engineers to employ some dev tools.