I imagine that it makes a whole lot of customers feel better that HP is willing to Indemnify them, it does me since all my hardware at work is Compaq/HP equipment. Just in case hell does freeze over and SCO wins now I am covered. And yes they do put it in writing by the way.
In this world money is king and I dont care who you are if you feel you are being wronged then guess what, you can sue. iTunes and the iPod are making major inroads in the music industry and Apple Corps is just protecting their arrangement and if they dont sue then somebody else will try it in the future and for your general info the Beatles sucked.
I doubt the validity of these tests because A) Apple is being very closed mouth about the specs on the Dells used B) everyone knows how buggy and crappy GCC is on the PowerPC
I was talking more as a standalone system. What makes OS X interesting to me and many geeks I think is not Aqua, Its not the Applications that Mac OS X has to offer its the core, the essentials. And I run Darwin standalone on my Athlon XP as well as My ThinkPad standalone. I dual boot with SuSE Linux because of some Hardware devices that I need to run, but with X11 as well as these ported Open Source Apps you have a perfectly viable system, with the introduction of a few more device drivers (USB, FireWire and Sound) and I will dump Linux.
" So when it comes to development models, you're claiming the edge? If you want a fix now, we may need to perform better, but you know where to go. There is nobody to turn to if you as a (Linux) customer says, 'I need this.' You can't turn to IBM. They don't write the thing. It's not like IBM can support Linux the way they support the mainframe operating system. They don't write the code for it. All they can say is, 'You can call us and ask us a question, but if you actually want something done we can't do it.'"
I know that statement is bullshit because I used to work for IBM and IBM has a team that does nothing but work on the linux kernel and administer and distribute patches and security fixes. They also have a seperate team that works on AIX and security issues. Whil in Microsoft, if you need an extensive patch done, the response is " wait until the next version, or service pack " Thats the beautiful thing about Open Source, IBM can write the fixes and if they are significant, outside of a controlled environment, they release it to kernel.org
" But why do you think people are adopting Linux? Is it because they can look at the code? Is it because they don't have to go through an 80-page licensing agreement? No. There are some scenarios where people consider it. People don't really consider Linux much on the client--that's my market observation. On the server side, you have people who have skill sets and applications on Sun that they want to move now to Intel hardware to save costs. I think we have a pretty good story, but I tell you, game's on. We've got to prove ourselves, and some people are choosing Linux. I don't think that is going to continue to be the case. "
What another load of crap, In my current position and on my own freelance consulting jobs, I find many people who are considering and implementing Linux as the client. I for one offer different suggestions on what Applications that the customer can implement to achieve their goals, and my customers have been on Linux for awhile now with no problems or complaints.
" On the desktop, in developing countries, computer dealers will tell you that they sell Linux-based PCs, but in a lot of these places, Windows only costs $1 in the street. A Linux PC in most countries is a PC in which somebody is being encouraged to pirate Windows. We conducted some surveys about this in one large Asian country, where we found that, of all PCs that didn't have Windows installed on them when they were sold, 99 percent wound up with Windows on them within 30 days. "
Maybe through VMWare or Win4lin, but going back to my IBM experience. The asian clients I worked with that had implemented Linux, all ran Linux, some VMWares installed, Some Win4Lins installed but they only ran them until a viable solution for the Application they needed came to pass or until they ported the Application over to Linux, in-house apps mostly. But now I see more CrossOver Office implementations more than VMWare or Win4Lin. As for consumers, In Asia 99.9% of the Windows installations are pirated so I dont know how they would even keep track of how many Windows users there are. So I doubt that 99% is accurate. I think they need to actually do some research before spouting ridiculous numbers.
I think MS needs to get a clue and realize they are in trouble if they keep dismissing Linux, one day Linux will dismiss them. Everyday Linux gets better and better, and in terms of technical design, has surpassed Microsoft Windows along time ago. More and More Apps are coming and more and more desktop Linux users and Enterprise Linux users are starting to come into the light Linux might not knock Windows out of the #1 slot for some time but, It will have a larger marketshare than the Mac has ever had, and it will be much more successful than UNIX ever was on the desktop.
They try to sue SuSE they will get their asses handed to em, SuSE has IP in the version of Linux that is UnitedLinux, YaST among other things is not open source, let SCO sue, I can see a major SuSE countersuit. If thats how SCO treats its friends, I hate to see how they treat their enemies.
You guys have waaaaaay to much time on your hands if you can sit there and examine the pictures LOL. Just kidding. But seriously this gives you a new found respect for the guys that do Windows. Some of these conditions sound very grueling, and uncomfortable. Im glad I dont work there.
I for 1 love this initiative, and since all those Distros use the Superior desktop KDE things will just get better. I am glad Lindows is not a member and i hope they do not let Lindows join. Lindows has already proven that it cant play fair so lets hope this puts them inline or better yet lets hope Lindows quits. This is a great idea and I for 1 am extremely excited about it.
It has no importance because it is a load of crap. It is impossible, even on a G4 AltiVec to get a margin like that, to process a raw image from a 52m time to a 5m time. If he had said that it came down to a 30m that would have been believable. Its a load of rhetoric from the software maker to sell software, as soon as someone does a comparison you will be shot down again. The only reason why this was posted was by some poor Mac cultists who couldnt even bear the thought that PCs were faster than his beloved Mac, he probably lost sleep because it was finally proven that a true benchmark was done and his perception that he had a supercomputer was shot down like a scud missle over kuwait. He was looking searching for a reason to continue living because everything he believed in with all of his heart was gone like a virgin on prom night and now he found a Software maker, who even suggested that his beloved Mac was indeed faster, so now he got his reason back to live. He probably was contemplating suicide. Now, listen carefully all you Mac cultists. It has been proven that Apples claims are wrong, by number of benchmark tests. The PC is faster than a Mac. The war is over, you lost get over it. The world will not end because the PC is faster, the Mac is fine as a toy computer. If you want to be productive, buy a PC.
Ok all flames and namecalling begin........NOW
Because i read the news and everyone acts like everytime Apple releases something the PC industry came up up with 6 yrs ago they think its a big friggin deal, I kinda think its funny.
Yeah keep dreaming about the G5, go ahead it doesnt hurt but Im going to give you a wake up call....IT IS NOT COMING. Wish in one hand for the G5 and crap in the other and see which one fills up first. If Apple does go 64 bit it will be a big Mistake many companies have tried to go 64 bit and it turns around and slaps them in the face. You will also see the price of the Macs skyrocket. Im sorry for 64 bit computing I would rather stick with SGI and Irix which is a much better Operating System and it is the king of 64 bit performance.
Who the hell cares if it doesnt come with OS X. OS X is crap, the Macintosh computers are crap, I would never own a Macintosh, I will never let my spouse get a Macintosh nor would I ever let my kids have a Macintosh. The only thing Macs have going for them is that the cases look cool, they are much slower than the IBM compatibles and I just dont like the look of OS X, it has way to much eyecandy I think Apple needs to tone it down alot...
This is a very stupid thread. Steve Jobs nor Woz would make a great president, they arent even political figures. Woz is a good guy tho but I doubt seriously anyone would ever take him seriously, hes too much of a practical joker. Jobs would be too willing to bomb all countries unless they bought a Macintosh
I think if Apple plays it right it will be okay, charge existing customers include it for free with new Macs, but this brings back some memories, remember when Stevie cut the clone program and caused Mac OS marketshare to bomb, then he sent his lapdog Avie Tevanian to the Microsoft anti-trust trial to blame microsoft that Mac OS marketshare was so low, Steve Jobs seems good at cutting Apples throat and filling Mac users heads full of bullshit and grandeur, Apple better dump him again before it is too late, I say this tho thank god I use Yellowdog Linux, XMMS will always be free
Who the hell cares ? It gives people something to argue about. All mac users are dead in the head, but if you do this. Take Apple put them in Microsofts spot today, then take Microsoft put them in Apples spot and guess what you will have, you would have a whole lot of people claiming that Microsoft was the best and that the Mac OS X sucked. It has been my experience that most mac users are people tht just want to be different they cheer for the low man on the pole, the underdog, but if Apple was to die tommorrow and these people had to use a Windows PC, they would use it with no complaints. Windows is a very good OS, Mac OS X is a good OS, but it isnt all that...
As a developer I will not port anything to Mac OS X at this time for many reasons:
1) Myself and many others consider Mac OS X to be a toy, something to play with. No business except for graphics and schools use the Macintosh, so it would be a huge waste of time
2)I see more of a future in Linux and in Windows, as long as Apple keeps thinking its a Hardware company instead of porting Mac OS X to Intel and AMD I am not going to waste my time writing for it, Mac OS X was just alot of hype, nothing more nothing less, I got pulled into it I bought a Mac and I used OS X for a long time Rhapsody, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2. I got less impressed with each release until finally 10.2 left me with disgst
among many other reasons, I will not port over to the Mac OS X. Many others share my views and I personally cannot wait until Apple dies the long painful death it so richly deserves.
The TCO is not lower at all, The cost of hardware and having to trackdown a Mac tech is very costly, also if you rely on Macs to run your business and you need parts replacement you will have some serious downtime to go along with it. PCs with Linux are very easy to maintain, I service 12 servers running Red Hat Linux and I have not had any unintentional downtime over the 2 yr period and I have not had any problems, now the Windows and Macintosh workstations, they are a different story.
It is a shame you losers cannot take anything seriously, Personally I would like to see key MS Apps ported to Linux such as MS Office and Internet Exploder, and not have to run them under emulation. I think microsoft should produce linux software and then it can finally crus the life out of Open Office which is not a very good app under Linux.
You dont have to worry about it, Lindows will be out of business long before Xandros and Desktop LX will be. I have tried Xandros and Lindows and Xandros is a much much better desktop distro than Lindows. Maybe one day Mikey will take a hint and figure out no one likes him and he will take his ball and go home
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Quicktime works with Crossover Office just fine, iTunes fails install on Crossover because Crossover emulates Windows 98 and not 2000
I imagine that it makes a whole lot of customers feel better that HP is willing to Indemnify them, it does me since all my hardware at work is Compaq/HP equipment. Just in case hell does freeze over and SCO wins now I am covered. And yes they do put it in writing by the way.
Where the fuck do you get your information? Dont go around spewing that funk because its so full of shit it maes you look like a fucking stupid ass.
Grow up man,
In this world money is king and I dont care who you are if you feel you are being wronged then guess what, you can sue. iTunes and the iPod are making major inroads in the music industry and Apple Corps is just protecting their arrangement and if they dont sue then somebody else will try it in the future and for your general info the Beatles sucked.
I doubt the validity of these tests because A) Apple is being very closed mouth about the specs on the Dells used B) everyone knows how buggy and crappy GCC is on the PowerPC
I was talking more as a standalone system. What makes OS X interesting to me and many geeks I think is not Aqua, Its not the Applications that Mac OS X has to offer its the core, the essentials. And I run Darwin standalone on my Athlon XP as well as My ThinkPad standalone. I dual boot with SuSE Linux because of some Hardware devices that I need to run, but with X11 as well as these ported Open Source Apps you have a perfectly viable system, with the introduction of a few more device drivers (USB, FireWire and Sound) and I will dump Linux.
" So when it comes to development models, you're claiming the edge?
If you want a fix now, we may need to perform better, but you know where to go. There is nobody to turn to if you as a (Linux) customer says, 'I need this.' You can't turn to IBM. They don't write the thing. It's not like IBM can support Linux the way they support the mainframe operating system. They don't write the code for it. All they can say is, 'You can call us and ask us a question, but if you actually want something done we can't do it.'"
I know that statement is bullshit because I used to work for IBM and IBM has a team that does nothing but work on the linux kernel and administer and distribute patches and security fixes. They also have a seperate team that works on AIX and security issues. Whil in Microsoft, if you need an extensive patch done, the response is " wait until the next version, or service pack " Thats the beautiful thing about Open Source, IBM can write the fixes and if they are significant, outside of a controlled environment, they release it to kernel.org
" But why do you think people are adopting Linux? Is it because they can look at the code? Is it because they don't have to go through an 80-page licensing agreement?
No. There are some scenarios where people consider it. People don't really consider Linux much on the client--that's my market observation. On the server side, you have people who have skill sets and applications on Sun that they want to move now to Intel hardware to save costs. I think we have a pretty good story, but I tell you, game's on. We've got to prove ourselves, and some people are choosing Linux. I don't think that is going to continue to be the case. "
What another load of crap, In my current position and on my own freelance consulting jobs, I find many people who are considering and implementing Linux as the client. I for one offer different suggestions on what Applications that the customer can implement to achieve their goals, and my customers have been on Linux for awhile now with no problems or complaints.
" On the desktop, in developing countries, computer dealers will tell you that they sell Linux-based PCs, but in a lot of these places, Windows only costs $1 in the street.
A Linux PC in most countries is a PC in which somebody is being encouraged to pirate Windows. We conducted some surveys about this in one large Asian country, where we found that, of all PCs that didn't have Windows installed on them when they were sold, 99 percent wound up with Windows on them within 30 days. "
Maybe through VMWare or Win4lin, but going back to my IBM experience. The asian clients I worked with that had implemented Linux, all ran Linux, some VMWares installed, Some Win4Lins installed but they only ran them until a viable solution for the Application they needed came to pass or until they ported the Application over to Linux, in-house apps mostly. But now I see more CrossOver Office implementations more than VMWare or Win4Lin. As for consumers, In Asia 99.9% of the Windows installations are pirated so I dont know how they would even keep track of how many Windows users there are. So I doubt that 99% is accurate. I think they need to actually do some research before spouting ridiculous numbers.
I think MS needs to get a clue and realize they are in trouble if they keep dismissing Linux, one day Linux will dismiss them. Everyday Linux gets better and better, and in terms of technical design, has surpassed Microsoft Windows along time ago. More and More Apps are coming and more and more desktop Linux users and Enterprise Linux users are starting to come into the light Linux might not knock Windows out of the #1 slot for some time but, It will have a larger marketshare than the Mac has ever had, and it will be much more successful than UNIX ever was on the desktop.
They try to sue SuSE they will get their asses handed to em, SuSE has IP in the version of Linux that is UnitedLinux, YaST among other things is not open source, let SCO sue, I can see a major SuSE countersuit. If thats how SCO treats its friends, I hate to see how they treat their enemies.
You guys have waaaaaay to much time on your hands if you can sit there and examine the pictures LOL. Just kidding. But seriously this gives you a new found respect for the guys that do Windows. Some of these conditions sound very grueling, and uncomfortable. Im glad I dont work there.
I for 1 love this initiative, and since all those Distros use the Superior desktop KDE things will just get better. I am glad Lindows is not a member and i hope they do not let Lindows join. Lindows has already proven that it cant play fair so lets hope this puts them inline or better yet lets hope Lindows quits. This is a great idea and I for 1 am extremely excited about it.
It has no importance because it is a load of crap. It is impossible, even on a G4 AltiVec to get a margin like that, to process a raw image from a 52m time to a 5m time. If he had said that it came down to a 30m that would have been believable. Its a load of rhetoric from the software maker to sell software, as soon as someone does a comparison you will be shot down again. The only reason why this was posted was by some poor Mac cultists who couldnt even bear the thought that PCs were faster than his beloved Mac, he probably lost sleep because it was finally proven that a true benchmark was done and his perception that he had a supercomputer was shot down like a scud missle over kuwait. He was looking searching for a reason to continue living because everything he believed in with all of his heart was gone like a virgin on prom night and now he found a Software maker, who even suggested that his beloved Mac was indeed faster, so now he got his reason back to live. He probably was contemplating suicide. Now, listen carefully all you Mac cultists. It has been proven that Apples claims are wrong, by number of benchmark tests. The PC is faster than a Mac. The war is over, you lost get over it. The world will not end because the PC is faster, the Mac is fine as a toy computer. If you want to be productive, buy a PC. Ok all flames and namecalling begin........NOW
Because i read the news and everyone acts like everytime Apple releases something the PC industry came up up with 6 yrs ago they think its a big friggin deal, I kinda think its funny.
Yeah keep dreaming about the G5, go ahead it doesnt hurt but Im going to give you a wake up call....IT IS NOT COMING. Wish in one hand for the G5 and crap in the other and see which one fills up first. If Apple does go 64 bit it will be a big Mistake many companies have tried to go 64 bit and it turns around and slaps them in the face. You will also see the price of the Macs skyrocket. Im sorry for 64 bit computing I would rather stick with SGI and Irix which is a much better Operating System and it is the king of 64 bit performance.
Who the hell cares if it doesnt come with OS X. OS X is crap, the Macintosh computers are crap, I would never own a Macintosh, I will never let my spouse get a Macintosh nor would I ever let my kids have a Macintosh. The only thing Macs have going for them is that the cases look cool, they are much slower than the IBM compatibles and I just dont like the look of OS X, it has way to much eyecandy I think Apple needs to tone it down alot...
This is a very stupid thread. Steve Jobs nor Woz would make a great president, they arent even political figures. Woz is a good guy tho but I doubt seriously anyone would ever take him seriously, hes too much of a practical joker. Jobs would be too willing to bomb all countries unless they bought a Macintosh
I think if Apple plays it right it will be okay, charge existing customers include it for free with new Macs, but this brings back some memories, remember when Stevie cut the clone program and caused Mac OS marketshare to bomb, then he sent his lapdog Avie Tevanian to the Microsoft anti-trust trial to blame microsoft that Mac OS marketshare was so low, Steve Jobs seems good at cutting Apples throat and filling Mac users heads full of bullshit and grandeur, Apple better dump him again before it is too late, I say this tho thank god I use Yellowdog Linux, XMMS will always be free
Who the hell cares ? It gives people something to argue about. All mac users are dead in the head, but if you do this. Take Apple put them in Microsofts spot today, then take Microsoft put them in Apples spot and guess what you will have, you would have a whole lot of people claiming that Microsoft was the best and that the Mac OS X sucked. It has been my experience that most mac users are people tht just want to be different they cheer for the low man on the pole, the underdog, but if Apple was to die tommorrow and these people had to use a Windows PC, they would use it with no complaints. Windows is a very good OS, Mac OS X is a good OS, but it isnt all that...
As a developer I will not port anything to Mac OS X at this time for many reasons: 1) Myself and many others consider Mac OS X to be a toy, something to play with. No business except for graphics and schools use the Macintosh, so it would be a huge waste of time 2)I see more of a future in Linux and in Windows, as long as Apple keeps thinking its a Hardware company instead of porting Mac OS X to Intel and AMD I am not going to waste my time writing for it, Mac OS X was just alot of hype, nothing more nothing less, I got pulled into it I bought a Mac and I used OS X for a long time Rhapsody, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2. I got less impressed with each release until finally 10.2 left me with disgst among many other reasons, I will not port over to the Mac OS X. Many others share my views and I personally cannot wait until Apple dies the long painful death it so richly deserves.
The TCO is not lower at all, The cost of hardware and having to trackdown a Mac tech is very costly, also if you rely on Macs to run your business and you need parts replacement you will have some serious downtime to go along with it. PCs with Linux are very easy to maintain, I service 12 servers running Red Hat Linux and I have not had any unintentional downtime over the 2 yr period and I have not had any problems, now the Windows and Macintosh workstations, they are a different story.
It is a shame you losers cannot take anything seriously, Personally I would like to see key MS Apps ported to Linux such as MS Office and Internet Exploder, and not have to run them under emulation. I think microsoft should produce linux software and then it can finally crus the life out of Open Office which is not a very good app under Linux.
You dont have to worry about it, Lindows will be out of business long before Xandros and Desktop LX will be. I have tried Xandros and Lindows and Xandros is a much much better desktop distro than Lindows. Maybe one day Mikey will take a hint and figure out no one likes him and he will take his ball and go home