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SCO Threatens Red Hat and SuSE
Guy Smith writes "CRN reports that SCO will target SuSE and Red Hat with lawsuits after they are finished with IBM (providing that IBM allows them live). To quote Sco, "There will be a day of reckoning for Red Hat and SuSE when this is done." They seem bent on destroying the Open Source community and they deserve to hear the community's opinion on the matter."
Ya think? As you may or may not recall, SCO had ties to Microsoft back in the day, when it was called XENIX. So I guess it's still in it's blood to threaten the other operating systems on the block.
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
Props for the first A/S/L post on /.
Huzzah.
Santa Cruz sucks anyway.
CRN: Some are worried that a court case might give Microsoft a legal precedent that could be used to deaccelerate adoption of Linux at customer sites. What do you say to that?
McBride: In our case, Linux comes from Unix and we own the Unix operating system. How this plays out with other code bases, I don't know.
CRN: What are you trying to do? Some say you are trying to compete against Linux by destroying it.
McBride: We will use our best efforts to protect our source code.
If that's not a battle cry, what is?
I probably won't join the flamewar on their inbox, but in EVERY circumstance where I find their products from this point forward I will offer that client a special discount on the hours I spend replacing it with any other product that will do the job.
SCO is dying....
...there won't be anything left. :)
"Hey, you! When I'm done kickin' these four bouncers' asses, you're next! You and your huge friends, there!"
Do they actually have a snowball's chance in hell of winning any of these cases?
Bring it! ..... 6 months later
and yet in another episode of the yesterdays tech, we talk about the now defunct sco
Someone should remind SCO that their United Linux offering is built on SuSE. Hell, SuSE is United Linux. Everyone else in the group is just along for the ride.
Believe me, all the feedback in the world won't matter to the SCO folks. They want attention. They want everyone up in arms. They want this to hinder the adoption of Linux in business.
Why? They want to be bought. SCO figures that if IBM's linux related sales start to drop (and IBM makes a fair amount of cash on linux related sales) IBM may just buy SCO to shut them up and end the lawsuit. It's pretty slimy on SCO's part. It's downright microsoftish.
I'm not saying don't send SCO feedback. I'm saying that whatever you send won't matter to them. They're not interested in using linux for anything other than making a quick buck and exiting the market. They're like LinuxONE was, just a lot more insidious and poisonous.
It's plainly obvious that Sco wants IBM to buy them out to end the lawsuit. Threatening Redhat, or anyone for that matter, just adds fuel to the fire. Eventually, a large group of angry open source developers will descend upon Sco's offices, burning and pillaging everything in their wake. At least we can hope.
SCO is a piece of garbage, hope they die painfully.
Who has a business policy of pissing off your customers by going after your competitors? A day of reckoning? SCO has always been angry with RedHat. And now that SuSE is all about AMD Opteron, they are a threat to SCO in the heavy duty 64-bit space.
samrolken
I keep seeing these stories about SCO wanting to sue people over code in Linux but they never will answer the question of what code they have a problem with. The problem will never get fixed if they won't say what's wrong.
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
Doesn't they sell a Linux distro? They can't sue someone for selling something they provide themselves under the GPL. Another point would be that if IBM release their trade secrets, you could only sue IBM unless the actual source code was the sectret. If someone is selling an implementation of your "trade secret" that's tough cookies, unless it's actually a stolen implementation. IANAL but this seems simple enough.
Call their bluff. Delay. Befuddle. Use the legal system to drive SCO into the ground in the same way SCI is trying to burn everyone else. The legal system rewards the richest litigant, and that is not SCO. IBM should draw this out until 2010 and let SCO die a slow agonizing death at the hands of their own legal fees.
What if some substantial (either quantity or quality) amount of their proprietary code has made its way into the Linux source? If IBM put it there, should they not be punished for doing so? If RedHat et.al are making/made money from it, shouldn't they pay royalties? I know that SCO is the popular bad guy right now, but what if they have a point, does this still make them bad?
The Open Source infidels will cower at the will of SCO. Even now Linus Torvalds is jumping off a cliff and Alan Cox is shaving his beard before the might of Sad^Wour lawyers. There is only one UNIX system. All other UNIX systems do not exist, and have never existed. We have nothing against Linux users, just against the hegemony of greedy oi^Wcode-stealing developers. May Al^Hshcroft have mercy upon you ALL!
Doesn't Redhat have more money in the bank than SCO's market capitalization?
I'm going to need a scheduling app to keep track of who turn it is to turn our wrath on. Now, I've got Firebird(the DB) mail bombing scheduled for moday mornings, and a random senator on thursdays at noon. But this is 1:30PM wednesday and Sun is scheduled from 1 to 3 for a DNS, followed by a quick annonomous hate mail to Pat Robbertson at 3:30.
Does someone have an update for the hate list. Apparently I'm behind because I still have IBM scheduled for the first and second tuesday of each month.
Thanks ahead of time. Rant on.
Why can /. ask the community to email SCO but the IBPheonix people cannot ask the community to email Mozilla on behalf of the Firebird project?
Do I take all these companies for cold hard cash, and lots of it.......
or
Do I succumb to the pathetic demands of the Slashdot weenies, that don't actually BUY our products anyways?
Thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking............
Next thing you know SCO will be sueing Microsoft for having a command line interface in their OS...
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
McBride: Everyone just says we're a company going out of business, and throwing a Hail Mary pass, but once we get to court, those who say that will look as strange as the Iraqi information minister on TV saying the infidels are defeated and did not get into Baghdad.
Wow. That's like the Iraqi Information Minister saying that Rummy is going to look as strange as the Iraqi Information Minister when this is all over...or...something.
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
but they clearly don't care about the opinions of the OSS community or the /. crowd. The only things that will put a stop this nonsense is a half-sane judge or lack of legal funds to pursue these ridiculous claims.
For the first time I am actually hoping that a company will get crushed under the iron fist of IBM. Armeggedon cannot be too far off!
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
SCO has very few resources left to pursue these cases against IBM, Red Hat and SuSE. That all could change if Microsoft buys SCO for very short money. Suddenly, Microsoft would have a very strong tool to threaten Open Source Software companies.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
is for SCO to end their financial troubles by selling everything to Charlie Northrup. Then, the company would be happy because it wouldn't be in the hole, and their public opinion would be better because they wouldn't be the ones looking bad with a lawsuit.
They are not targeting the Open Source community. They are targeting the Linux community. The BSD-family of operating systems (and its zillion derivatives) are completely protected from SCO by the 1994 (check the year) judgement in the Regents/USL suit.
the subject says it all.
this looks and smells like a microsoft tactic.
please, everyone that reads this.. use their feedback link and tell them that this is just NOT ACCEPTABLE.
we cannot allow companies the rights to use the laws that they lobby for against us.
This goes deeper, I encourage anyone to vote for your independants. not these 'bought' politicians.
Remarkable. Most companies would have gone after SuSe to build precident, Red Hat to gain momentum, and then worked out some sort of deal with IBM. That, sadly, is the American way. These guys, though, just walked right up to the 800lb gorilla, punched it in the mouth, and tried to take its bananna.
This should be amusing.
Thomas Galvin
Can anyone think of one lawsuit by a company for a technology or product that was "stolen" by another company that ever panned out? The only one I can even think of getting close to a "success" was Stac vs. Microsoft. Even then, we all know who won out in the end.
McBride: In our case, Linux comes from Unix and we own the Unix operating system. How this plays out with other code bases, I don't know.
Okay, now unless minix was based on original Unix source code (which I don't believe it was), then this is entirely false. Linux was based on the API for Unix, but that's about as far as it goes.
Now to say that it might contain some Unix IP these days, that's possible. But to say that it "comes from Unix"?
Who looks like the Iraqi information minister? That's another great one.
--ZS
-- sigs cause cancer.
their income is plummeting, so they have very little to lose by threatening all this.
To be honest , I am still surprised that they would even think of talking about it.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Why don't we just slashdot their contact page? ;)
-c
What on earth do they hope to accomplish? Getting rid of Linux vendors? That's futile, since the source is already available on the net for free. Chunks of cash from Linux vendors? That would be stupid too. If they are awarded a settlement, it would likely result in bankrupting the targeted vendors. But that wouldn't remove them from the marketplace, since the distributions are, once again, already available on the net for free. Do they think that former customers will suddenly come to them? That's arrogant. The hackers would find out through the course of the trials what parts of the Linux kernel, if any, violate patents, and re-implement such that it's no longer in violation. The only thing SCO can hope to do is temporarily dispose of popular Linux vendors and piss off the very demographic that might ever be interested in their product.
We all know the public FUD "Linux is like UNIX and WE OWN UNIX" ...
but have they actually said what it is they are suing over? What code is it, exactly, that the lawsuit is over? Linux wasn't derived from BSD or SYSV.. it was written from scratch.
Sco appears to be basically mounting nothing more than a smear campaign.
If there IS copyright infringement... and there IS code that SCO has the rights to in there:
It would be awfully hard for them to show intent - that the code was actually knowingly used without their permission. This is obvious.. as the entire linux world is going "HuH? What are you talking about?"
That means that all we would have to do is politely remove the code covered by their copyright, and have it re-implemented.
First they came for IBM, and I didn't speak up, because I don't like corporations.
Then they came for Red Hat, and I didn't speak up, because I'm too 7331 for Red Hat.
Then they came for SuSE, and I didn't speak up, because its too Euro-centric.
Then they came for Gentoo, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
Let's see the evidence. If there is no evidence, or the evidence turns out to be bogus, then you can accuse them of trying to destroy OSS and flouridating our precious bodily fluids.
But even if they're right, licensing won't be the answer. The infringing code will have to go, instead. Well, unless the license they have in mind is the GPL, which I kind of doubt. ;-)
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Is there anyone among us who would not bet money that when SCO - - as a corporate entity unto itself - - bites the big one, it will more resemble a puff of breath than an explosion? I see SCO making its way, slowly but surely, into the Bozos Inc. Hall of Fame. I've rarely seen such a series of boneheaded maneuvers as that which has come from Caldera and its permutations. I mean, shouldn't they have sued Redhat first? If they'd won, they might have had a warchest to use against IBM. But to take on IBM first . . . . now THAT'S idiotic.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
McBride: System V is the basis for all operating systems outside of Redmond, AIX, HP UX, Solaris, Apple and Linux. Linux is the only one not rationalized [from a licensing perspective].
I didn't know BSD wasn't "outside of Redmond". It looks like McBride has a firm handle on things. No wonder he thinks they have a case!
This isn't the sig you're looking for...
We should all be contacting IBM NOT to buy SCO not for the lowest price.
And by the way we need the SCO's CEO name and home address. Lets target the flames properly, not out aloud on the net where it will just give the community a bad name. For this reason we should stop referring to "SCO", rather its CEO's name.
I would only buy SCO just to have the pleasure of firing everyone without reference letters.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
This guy keeps pasting the same body over and over. It's fun, but that's not the point.
System V is the basis for all operating systems outside of Redmond, AIX, HP UX, Solaris, Apple and Linux.
Ever heard of:
OS/2
MS/DR/PC DOS
BeOS
OpenVMS
AmigaDOS
etc.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Better would be a systematical analysis of their patents and a search for prior art. This will be a case at the courts and no popularity contest. If you need to vent some air, /dev/null allways has an open ear for you.
Bye, Martin
"McBride: Everyone just says we're a company going out of business, and throwing a Hail Mary pass, but once we get to court, those who say that will look as strange as the Iraqi information minister on TV saying the infidels are defeated and did not get into Baghdad."
He equates Linux supporters to the Saddam's repressive regime! I think he's got it backwards.
cat sig >
We'll all just move over to FreeBSD, which has already settled their USL lawsuit and works just as well or even better than SCO.
Please Select a Location /home/www/www.caldera.com/phplib/db_mysql.inc on line 73
Warning: Too many connections in
Database error: pconnect(teak.lg.center7.com, web, $Password) failed.
MySQL Error: ()
Session halted.
Here's a crazy idea - could we get the SCO board of directors to join up with the spammers in Syria?
We could kill 3 sets of birds with 1 nuk^H^H^Hstone.
www.eFax.com are spammers
Join Tor today!
"There will be a day of reckoning for Red Hat and SuSE when this is done."
Wow. Reminds me of every cardboard villain in every hokey 1980s action cartoon...
SCO: "You haven't seen the last of us, do-gooders!"
Thanks for the memories, SCO. We'll miss you after your well-deserved demise...
Wow, and here I was thinking that Linux was programmed by do gooders throughout the world, but then I come to find out that the important parts of it were written for commercial purposes, and blatantly ripped off by IBM. Linus gulped it in with a wink and a nod, and Linux is now complicit in thr crime.
A ripped off OS.
The Linux crowd is a bunch of I want stuff free, free as in someone else should pay for it, progarmming wannabees who probably could not get paid writing decent commecial code if they tried.
Wow...that was fun
He says in his interview:
but once we get to court, those who say that will look as strange as the Iraqi information minister on TV saying the infidels are defeated and did not get into Baghdad.
But some of his assertions are just as audacious or odd:
IBM has been very arrogant in the last few years. They're having their oats.
System V is the basis for all operating systems outside of Redmond. - "There is no BSD, it is nowhere!"
If we're wrong, we deserve people throwing rocks at us. - And shoes, don't forget the shoes.
-Ryan C.
-Ryan C.
Contact SCO and tell them what you think of their buisness methods:
1-888-465-4689
1-800-726-8649 (Support)
801-765-1313 (FAX)
Or if you perfer the personal touch you might want to BCC these people:
jant@sco.com, rr@sco.com, sco@schwartz-pr.com, andrewk@sco.com, anz_info@sco.com, rhondap@sco.com, bstowell@sco.com, skunkware@sco.com, jkj@sco.com, patrickm@sco.com, phatch@sco.com, polska@caldera.com, louisi@sco.com, murray@sco.com, maindesk@sco.com, rogerv@sco.com, alf@sco.com, asirotin@caldera.com, alee@sco.com, rickpo@sco.com, kathyp@sco.com, deanr@sco.com, evanh@caldera.com, jls@sco.com, dfp@caldera.com, carlsa@sco.com, kieramy@caldera.com, belal@caldera.com, rhondap@caldera.com, jlw@caldera.com, bobs@caldera.com, petrs@caldera.com, robertl@caldera.com, jgale@caldera.com, tim.rose@caldera.com, wynnw@caldera.com, tbird@caldera.com, andyb@caldera.com
SCO History
Caldera, Inc. was founded in 1994 by Ransom Love and Bryan Sparks. In 1998, Caldera Systems, Inc. was created to develop Linux-based business solutions. In 2001, Caldera Systems, Inc. acquired the assets of the Server Software Division and Professional Services Division of The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. (SCO), forming a new company, Caldera International, Inc. In 2002, Caldera changed its name to The SCO Group (Nasdaq: SCOX).
Only question being: how do you boycott a company
nobody was buying from anyway?
Before Linux emerged on the scene, Unix was dying slowly. Sure it was useful in data centers running on expensive hardware managed by professional system administrators but it was not Unix For The Rest Of Us (TM).
Why ? Corporate greed. The desire to package Unix as an advanced solution that commands high prices (and high margins). I looked at the SCO website. The Base edition of their SCO Linux Server 4.0 costs $599 and the Enterprise edition costs $2199.
Sheesh. They suceeded in killing themselves and now they want to kill the rest of us so that they can live a little longer. There would be less vitality in the *nix community if people were not allowed in for cheap (or for free).
Isn't SCO's claim on System V variants? If so, then shouldn't their executives at least have a clue who's infringing (in their minds)?
Just wondering... maybe I'm wrong.
Idiot, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant
Let me guess the order of their victims:
1. IBM; Big and Blue
2. RedHat and SuSE; Arguably two of the most succesful distro's
3. Apple?
From their own site:
NEW YORK -- April 22, 2003 - UnitedLinux, the industry consortium comprised of Conectiva, The SCO Group, SuSE Linux and Turbolinux, today reaffirmed that UnitedLinux Version 1.0 supports AMD Opteron processor-based systems. Jeezz...
There's a Microsoft connection in here.
I can feel it. There's a definite disturbance in the Source...
Blockquoth the article: Jeez, does IBM have so many lawyers that they have to catapult them in?
"Understand you're having a little Jimmy Page trouble."
Obviously, they have to be claiming that some of the code within Linux wasn't originally GPLed. Which code is that? Are their complaints legitimate? In other words, can they point out the code that was lifted from them, and then provide documentation to support their claims? If so, then they're actually in the right, whether or not everyone happens to think they're a bunch of goatse's.
their lawsuit was enough to scare my employer from buying an updated AIX machine and now we're in the process of migrating that app to NT.
Yeah, send them a piece of my mind. Well if they piss of enough of us, then they might just find out that we are a bunch of merry men just willing to get back, just like in Robin Hood!
OpenBSD going down at the hands of a serious DARPA taint, RedHat (never mind the rest) and IBM getting slaughtered by a vicious left-behind SCO, man ... I just don't know what to think.
...
What other OS'es are there to switch to? I guess OSX is safe, sorta
*sigh* See kiddies, this is why it was sad to see Be die. *sniff*
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
I haven't looked at the linux sources for a long time, but weren't they SVR-free? I thought they owed far more to BSD and GNU than to USL/SCO.
If I'm mistaken, the question becomes why wasn't the lesson learned from the USL / BSD legal mess?
It looks like they have been /.ed already. Hey are they using Linux?
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jdrabb/images/sco.png
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
This makes me proud to run BSD on my home server.
Do whatever you want. Just because you can't decide which rants you want to do doesn't make contact info any less usefull. /. isn't here to lead you, just to inform. If you wish to ignore a particular article then believe me, people would rather hear your silence then your sarcasm.
"as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee" - Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz. (One man's humorous is another mans flamebait)
Let's face it. All of 'em are out for dosh. When the realize a way to get it without lawsuits and bickering I'll jump behind one. But so far there doesn't seem to be even one without it's hand in the till or other such buggery. I'll stick with XP (it's free after all; ... well it came with my PC).
I went to battle MC Escher but drew a blank
Reading that article you couldn't help thinking "there are no tanks anywhere in Baghdad." McBride (the SCO shill) had a few al-Sahhafisms in his comments:
"There will be a day of reconning for RedHat and SuSe when this is all done."
"We have a good relationship with Sun."
"If we get no benefit from it, then the dog won't hunt."
"IBM will blacken the Utah sky with Lawyers."
Unbelievable.
-- $G
If IBM was really threatened, whouldn't they just buy SCO? It is not like there stock is worth much.
I am not worried.
I swear, half the tech companies in Utah have the following plan:
1. Make lame software.
2. Whine until you get buyer.
3. Profit!!!
Unless you have worked with or for some of the lameasses there, you would not realize that this is part of bussiness culture out there. SCO is the lamest of the buch, but a few others have done the same thing over the past few years, with about as much success.
WAR TUX!!!
Although this argument gets a little iffy when discussing mycoplasms.
Just being a biologically weanie.
Their day of reckoning ?!?!
:(
Is this guy for real? I guess lawsuit cash is better than no cash as far as McBride is concerned... though not in my book.
Too bad that everyone has to put up with shit like this.
Linux with kernel panic...
MadPenguin.org
Personally, I think that's a marketing tactic. If they lose against IBM, it's less damaging than if they lose against RedHat.
Look at it this way:
If they sue IBM, there's a sizable percentage of the Linux community that will say "whatever...".
If they sue RedHat or SuSE, then almost the ENTIRE community will tar and feather them, destroying any potential revenue base they could possibly have in the future.
--ZS
-- sigs cause cancer.
There is nothing worse than being stalked by a fat, pasty, smelly, dirty, mama's basement living, slashdot troll!
-- the BSD booth babe
We're the source of AIX, HP UX, Solaris, Linux, Mac OSX. It all comes from us.
...
System V is the basis for all operating systems outside of Redmond, AIX, HP UX, Solaris, Apple and Linux.
This sound very arrogant and egotistical to me.
So SCO is saying that they own every operating system available...except BSD. That's good to know, in a few years the world will be either SCO free, or two OS's to use...BSD or SCO =(
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
If SCO really is persuing pissing off IBM to a point where IBM buys them to make them stfu, that could be a pretty decent bonus to the Linux/Unix community.
Consider this - one of the main arguments I've heard M$ use against Unix is it's lack of a 'single directing body'. If SCO would get off their get rich quick through court kick, and instead grow the cahonies to become one of the 'main directing bodies' to drive the Unix world, embrace the open source community, and simply play nice with the software world (not the litigating world - read "lawyers")... well, M$ would no longer have that argument point when approaching foreign countries to adopt Wind'ohs.
If IBM were to buy SCO, they would inherit the 'license' of UNIX as well - thus becoming the 'main directing body'. True, IBM has f'd up lots of software packages in the past (just not as many as CA has), but they would be a much better driving body than SCO has turned out to be...
PG.. Law of probable dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.
Is SCO so ignorant as to think AIX is the ONLY operating system IBM has? IBM has probably FORGOTTEN more about Operating System design than most companies will ever know! Their OS/390 systems power Fortune 500 companies 24x7, with 99.9999999% uptime, processing hundreds of millions of transactions a SECOND!! SCO doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of making their allegations stick.
Jaime Cruz
Buzzing the information Superhighway at Warp speed
SCO is a big time looser so was johnson.
IBM is a very successful company with a long history , so is carl lewis (9 oly. gold medals is no joke).
But sadly now with all the aligations against lewis comming true, i am no longer sure what's going on.
If indeed the code contributed by IBM to GNU/Linux is a IP of SCO , then may be they are right ?
The issue whether IP are unethical or destroy innovations etc etc is totally a different one.
What we have here at hand is one company alleging another company violated their IP, which is illegal under the current LAW. Almost like me selling your town-house, you wouldn't like that would ya ?
So keeping all emotions asides what needs to be done is to verify the legitimacy of their claim and pass a ruling accordingly.
And the great american law also doesn't prohibit IBM from suing SCO with a bundle of their own lawsuit
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
It's just a shell now. The only hope for the situation is for SCO to get bought out by IBM, or go broke before they can collect. If they can squeeze money out of IBM, that will give them the precendent to destroy RedHat and all the others in court.
Please put all predictions of doom on the shelf with the other stupid predictions that are made every day about computers and business.
You're right, a) that they don't really have any hard proof. Their argument is that there is NO WAY linux could have advanced so fast if IBM hadn't been feeding them code. Completely ignoring the whole "Open Source Movement" thing, which isn't exactly a small workforce, not to mention the major companies who build bits of it. (ie Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake...etc etc.)
Beyond that, however, when Caldera bought SCO, they did it for around 7 million dollars. And now they're suing IBM for like a billion for DEVALUING their 7 million dollar product. It's completely retarded, and I eagerly await the righteous can of whoopass that IBM is about to unleash.
Even if IBM had stolen ALL of SCO's code verbatim, and Linux had incorporated all of it verbatim, it is highly unlikely, based off past precidents, that they could recover even a fraction of what they are asking for.
I would almost welcome MS buying SCO, just for the amusement value of watching a convicted monopoly, and a convicted code stealer trying to sue someone else for monopolistic code stealing.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
Is it time yet?
Personally, I think that MS has about as much chance of getting FTC approval to buy SCO as I have of seeing pigs flying down the street. If MS did do so and won the lawsuit, it would prove that it is a monopoly, since it would then own the base patents for all current OSes (the Linuxes, the Unixes, Mac OSX, Windows).
It would be like GM trying to buy Ford.
Mod Ghods, please moderate this post up. It's not flamebait, it's insightful.
Santa Cruz really does suck. It's full of mean people who suck.
Maybe we should all just switch to GNU Hurd :)
Maybe a little too pissed right now, but this is what I sent.
Well, as a consultant who has moved more than a few copies of your software I am appalled at your lawsuits against linux vendors.
You will lose in court and you have just lost a supporter.
I will stridently attempt to move every customer running a SCO system to a MicroSoft solution if your suite is successful.
You have lost mindshare with the very people who put your products in place, WE determine if your products sell or not, upper management has little to do with decesions at this level, no one ever got fired for buying IBM or Microsoft, this is not the case for a litigious company such as SCO, enjoy the steady decline into nothingness.
maybe what SCO needs is an organized effort to migrate their existing clients to the linux distro of their choice, for less than they pay sco in support. I could probably donate some time to this effort.
IWARS.
People, in general, disappoint me. Politicians even more so.
Is that even if the source code is theirs (which I don't see how it could be), the BUSINESS was never theirs. The popularity that IBM and the likes enjoy was never SCO's nor will it be if they try to eliminate Linux, at least in the not-underground corporate world.
We should consider the possibility that SCO is right, as well. They're undertaking a billion dollar lawsuit against one of the largest technology corporations on the planet. Everyone says they're stupid, but it looks to me like they know something we don't.
I wrote SCO, but I couldn't tell them that they should stop because they're wrong, because we just don't know that. We want them to be wrong, but we really can't say. They should stop because they won't get anything with it except general hatred from a very large part of the IT world. SCO was never popular or "poised" to take the X86 server market. MS stole more "umph" from SCO's strategy than Linux did. Blaming Linux is just a convenient way to explain their company's loss.
but at least BSD got rid of the spectre of SCO lawsuits ten years ago.
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
I'm trying to recall a time on Slashdot when people were generally in consensus that what a company was doing sucked balls, and it wasn't Microsoft that they were ranting on about.
I have to admit, from the looks of all of this, they are really shooting themselves in the foot... or both feet, a kneecap, and their right hip in this case.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
I'll just use Free/Net/Open BSD
That man tried to kill mah Daddy
That's it. SCO is now at the top of my hitlist. Come on people. They are waging war on the open-source community itself. It's clear that they don't care if Linux lives on or dies. They clearly said, "Linux comes from Unix and we own the Unix operating system". Its evident that they don't care about Linux, and think that since it comes from UNIX, they don't care if it lives or dies as long as they get their precious royalties. This is war! We can't let this go!
Read my journal here.
Has someone looked at the money trail yet? Microsoft.....
'nuff said
I simply can't load the CRN page! Can someone show a mirror of the news?
Cesar Cardoso can be found at cesar at zyakannazio dot eti dot br (or at least I believe so)
The original poster is correct. Remember, Red Hat has a sweet pile cash from their sales of stock ot the public.
... $64 million. That's right, customers are paying more real money to Red Hat than they are to SCO.
Spend a few minutes on http://finance.yahoo.com and you will see:
The SCO Group (SCOX) has a total market capitalization of $38 million. That is how much money it would cost to buy all the shares of SCOX, 12 million shares, at the recent price of $3.20 per share.
Red Hat (RHAT) has a lot of cash in the bank (actually, in "long term investments") from their two stock offerings. Red Hat has about $230 million cash in long term investments, short term investments, minus ALL their outstanding debts. That's as of November 30, 2002. I'm too lazy to find more recent balance sheet figures.
Red Hat's market capitalization is a lot more than its cash. Its market cap is $1.07 billion.
So the original poster is correct: Red Hat has more than 5x as much cash as SCO's entire market capitalization. And on top of that, Red Hat's market cap is several times bigger than Red Hat's cash.
Lastly, if you want to compare revenue, Red Hat had revenues of $91 million in the last 12 months. SCO
I belive their lawers and PR people are confused. Last I heard, they were more interested in IP, not source. SysV is SCO's IP, and the Linux kernel doesn't have SCO code in it, but lots of linux software is based around the SysV design, even if the software itself was written from scratch to behanve like SysV. They also seem to think that IBM and other United Linux partners might have included SCO IP into verious software.
Seems like their issue isn't the kernel, but the software being distributed with the kernel.
Remember folks, Linux is the kernel, not the OS. Distributions are the OS. SCO is after distributers, not the kernel. If anyone tells you Linux is an operating system, they're wrong.
I'm going to go back in my box and will think within the limits of my box: MS Sucks Linux Good I read too much Slashdot.
"The one thing I could never stand about Santa Cruz all the Goddammned bloodsuckers!"
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
*yaaawn*
SCO needs to find a better revenue method. This path is getting old.
"Klaatu, verada, necktie!" -Ash
Maybe I am not enough of a Linux geek to understand this, and I guess this is bound to be snowed under given what seems to be the prevailing opinions, but if the fundamental claim made in the interview - that IBM gave away or otherwise violated significant amounts of proprietary code owned by SCO - then of course they have a snowball's chance. Maybe no more since IBM has those basements full of lawyers they feed only the blood of virgin geeks. But if there is significant proprietary code in open source that the owner did not put some type of open license on then any open source project that has that source code in it has a problem - and incidentally, I interpret that as being the intention of the "day of reckoning" comment regarding SuSe and RedHat, not a promise of a lawsuit, just the reality of having to expunge or otherwise deal with any proprietary code mucking up a project.
It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries
I used to love unixware before I discovered Linux. Even inside the company its already dead. But this thing, derived from the original UNIX (sysv?) was a monster in its day. Now we have yet another UNIX variant rotting on someones shelf somewhere.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Does anyone not see this. Has this been swept under the carpet? Jeez.. fuggin Microsoft at it again. SCO sucks, always has, always will
Give me a J...
give me an I...
Give me a J - I - H - A -D
Conspiracy, or is Novell trying to take over the linux envrionment because it's the only way they can stay a float.
Obama = Socialism.
Back in the beginning of april there was a slashdot article where "SCO has agreed to allow us to submit a list of questions ahead of time, and we will contain some of the highest moderated slashdot questions."
What happened? Were the question answered?
It also means that IBM could do the same thing as SCO should they so desire. It might very well be in Big Blue's best interests to keep this as an ace in hand to anyone who might pose a threat to their linux operations.
"...we dont care about the economics; we just want to be able to hack great stuff."
Does it seem to anyone else that SCO is a lot like North Korea. They made loud irrational tirades, hold powerfull weapons that would be foolish to deploy, both are relitivly poor and have worsening situation. I mean the parallel's seem numerous and comical to me =) Of course no lives are at stake in the case of SCO.
Why is everyone bagging on SCOTTLAND?
I don't get it?
You know it's BSD when women are being demeaned.
Pointing out the pun is an exercise left to the reader.
If GNU/Linux had SCO code in it, it would suck. It wouldn't run on most hardware. It would be a downright flop, just like SCO.
But,even if that was the case -- if somehow there was something in SCO worthy of being placed into GNU/Linux -- it's pretty irrelevant. IBM could easily buy out SCO. Hell, RedHat could probably buy out SCO. When was the last time this company turned a profit?
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
You will be hearing from us soon."
I seriously doubt it.
The History Of Unix.
Being a FreeBSD Zealot, I don't care about Linux. As much as I'd love to see the Linux folk join the BSD crowd, SCO's antisocial behaviour is certainly unsettling and they deserve the decay their market share has suffered.
SCO's Xenix was itself an offshoot of other stuff that they did not invent. Linux was a Minix clone. Minix was itself designed to teach Unix and was a clone of another Unix branch that was unrelated to Xenix. I find it hard to believe there are any valid patents to be infringed.
If anyone has a claim to have the "real Unix" they're lying. There are many bloodlines given the storied past of Unix. Their lawsuit battlecries are an insult to the intelligence of their customers to insist otherwise.
"There will be a day of reckoning for Red Hat and SuSE when this is done."
I think I know where the the Iraqi Information Minister is now working.
:)(smile)
I always knew that in Santa Cruz you got some real good quality weed. I think its time for me to go buy some now.
2000lb man??
hehe..maybe he metaphored his way to the top! Hmm...maybe I can make it too since the early dog gets the oats!
FUNK!
[For the humor impaired, this is sarcasm]
- "History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men" -- Blue Oyster Cult, 'Godzilla'
Just two cents: ... yes Linux ;-)
1: http://www.sco.com uses
2: Their contact information says 1-888-GO-LINUX
These guys are schizophrenic? with linux or against it?
http://www.caldera.com/scosource/ip.html
This contains links to the complaint and 5 exhibits. If you're going to write to SCO, you really ought to RTFDocs.
Graham
Linux - Fast Pane Relief
Certainly no one will mourn SCO when it's gone or absorbed.
but use an e-mail address of sales@sco.com
Maybe the issue is that they have so little money that they only have one shot at litigation - If that is the case, might as well go after the big dog, (who might settle) rather than the little guy (who's survival might depend on the outcome, and so might drag it out).
"The plural of anecdote is not data" -- Bruce Schneier
Assuming they have specific examples of infringement, they must be witholding the specifics because it's small and/or easily removed/replaced stuff.
If SCO were talking about serious structural things, and were to make them public, maybe we all wouldn't be so mad at them. As it is, people are talking about boycotting all SCO products.
Then again, from the sound of the SCO interview, it looks like they're going to try to make the case that cloning unix is in and of itself a theft of IP. A big gamble there, but if it works, well, bye-bye Linux.
So they're either hoping for an ideological judge to come down on their side or just that the trial will drag on long enough to scare the marketplace away from Linux. If that happens, and RedHat goes down, then SCO might stand a chance of surviving when it's all over. But more likely, Microsoft would wade into the vaccuum and SCO loses anyway.
Posted from my Android phone. Oh, I can change this? There, that's better...
As a member of the open source community
I emailed SCO and told them what I thought.
See below...
--
If in fact IBM, RedHat, and Suse have
stolen your intellectual property then
I say that you pursue any and all
legal recourses against them and that
you seek to obtain the maximum amount
of recompense that you are able. I say
this as a member of the open source
community.
You will (or are) getting bombed with
whiny emails from a lot of people
from from within the open source
community. Please ignore them. For
some reason they feel that they are
above the law.
I remember the CEO of SCO back in 1997 or 1998 making a comment that "Linux is just a bunch of punks."
I laughed over what a moronic and short sighted statement it was.. I look forward to their demise.
I hope that every last kludgy ancient thread of SysV-style crap is pulled out, and the whole thing is forced into a rewrite from the ground up, perhaps adopting some more BSD style semantics, perhaps something new. Ultimately that would be good for the OS in the long run.
Much better than striving to be state-of-the-art for 1975.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
they are using Rumsfeldian tactics and are now in the "shock and awe" part of the campaign.
A radio maverick jumps to internet only. The Future of Rock n Roll
The fact of the matter is, I don't give a rat's jabutty. If I have to, I'll modify my kernel and Apache code to say it is running a "Non SCO Proprietary OS"
If you look at their SCO filings, right now the upper management at SCO's selling their company stock and cashing in their options. Their financials are not looking good either. They've come close to being delisted...
The end is nigh for SCO. This is but the last-gasp of a dinosaur. They will never be able to survive the legal fees, unless the case gets turned out immediately (and IBM can probably make sure that happens without so much as blinking).
SCO Oooo ooooh ooooh big blue is gonna put the hurt on you. Oh yeah
you forgot the best one:
t te /wow1.jpg
http://www.madchat.org/artgfx/girls/bsd-daemone
Think air burst artillary shells
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SCO is like North Korea, threatening people to help them out because they are starving. This is not a joke it is a sad thing.
Their source code/secrets etc. is out in the wild, there is no way SCO can sue everyone in this planet.
Some good soul has made a transcription of the interview here: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=News &file=comments&sid=5005&tid=29327&mode=&order=0&th old=0
Wow, this sounds even more awful...
Cesar Cardoso can be found at cesar at zyakannazio dot eti dot br (or at least I believe so)
LOL @ fighting frenchman...
anyone who saw the Bernard Hopkins vs. Morrade Hakkar fight will most likely agree...
the guy didn't throw a punch while he ran for his life during the entire first round.
I have dug up my copies of Unixware, SCO Vision, OpenLinux (== Caldera == SCO) and Oracle for SCO.
I intend to send the CDs to my local representative. After I have treated them with sandpaper, that is...
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Warning: Slashdot may contain traces of nuts.
The CRN interviewer obviously doesn't follow the RIAA.
Sigs are bad for your health.
How many Open Source advocates are there in the world?
/. :o)
What do you say we all chip in and buy SCO ourselves?
We could then OpenSource thier IP, end this silliness, and the world will be a better place since we can go back to hating Microsoft on
What next? They'll claim Linux is infringing on their phone number?
Product and Sales Inquiries
1-888-GO-LINUX
1-888-465-4689
I guess 1-888-BUY-*NIX didn't work as a phone number.
HIV Crosses Species Barrier... into Muppets
MS-DOS owes more to CP/M than Unix when it comes to command line interfaces. Given the very different command line structures of Unix and CP/M, SCO doesn't have a chance. =)
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
What if SCO is trying to get bought either by IBM _OR_ Micro$oft? If M$ bought them and decided to keep the lawsuits going they could easily go up against IBM (and RedHat and SUSE and ...). M$ would own SCO's IP (including UNIX IP) at that point.
So... Perhaps it would be best of IBM bought SCO to prevent this nightmare scenario. (and of course, this is probably SCO's motivation in making these threats since they know they can't survive on their own).
OS/2 started as a joint IBM/Microsoft OS.
The cake is a pie
Yes.
News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.
CRN Interview: SCO CEO Defends $1 Billion Lawsuit Against IBM
By Paula Rooney, CRN
Salt Lake City
1:10 PM EST Wed., Apr. 23, 2003
Darl McBride, president and CEO of The SCO Group, recently met with CRN Senior Writer Paula Rooney to discuss his company's $1 billion lawsuit against IBM over IP violations. IBM will respond to those allegations in its court filing by the end of this month.
CRN: Why did SCO Group file a $1 billion lawsuit against IBM?
McBride: At the end of the day, our most prized asset is our ownership of the Unix OS. And that's what IBM said they'd obliterate. It's a punch in the nose. You can either take flight, or fight for what's right. We're the 200-pound weakling and IBM is the 2,000-pound man. But this is about misappropriation of trade secrets and contractual violations. We have 30,000 licensees of the Unix OS. We've always been very open with the source code to any institution that wanted it, whether it's a university, government or a corporation. If they turn it to commercial use, there are royalties. In our contract, it states that licensees must use their best efforts to protect our source code.
CRN: How many licensees pay royalties to SCO Group now?
McBride: A lot of people are getting the source code, but not a lot are paying royalties now.
CRN: What components does SCO allege IBM donated to the open-source community?
McBride: I can't answer that right now for legal reasons. It will be discussed in court. But we're not talking about insignificant amounts of code. It's substantial System V code showing up in Linux.
CRN: When you decided to license the source code libraries last fall, did SCO Group approach IBM on this?
McBride: The open-source guys were cool with it. IBM wanted to keep IP issues under the rug. They said not to talk about IP. And they talked about source code libraries. They told us if we didn't retract it, IBM would stop doing business with us. IBM threatened us and told us if we didn't back off, life would be ugly.
CRN: But some would claim you are trying to destroy the Linux industry.
McBride: No. Whose making money off Linux? Red Hat barely had its head above water and it's right back down again. If you look closely, a lot of the Linux distributors have gone out of business on this model. You have to ask, who is making money? And it's IBM. IBM is making money on boxes and IBM Global Services. If you're this company, don't you have an interest in the operating system being commoditized because there's more money in hardware and services? Linus Torvalds regulates the trademark and determines what goes in and out of the kernel. So who is the policing agency that checks the code and makes sure there aren't IP violations? Linux doesn't have IP roots. If it's true that IBM has violated, let's get some roots in the ground on this.
CRN: Have you talked to Red Hat?
McBride: Yes. We approached Red Hat [about licensing source code libraries] and they thought [our claim] was interesting. They said they'd talk about it, but then called back and said we'll pass [on licensing the source code from SCO]. [Red Hat Chairman and CEO Matthew] Szulik said copyright issues scare him. But Red Hat has had a free ride. In its IPO filings, one of the warnings to investors stated clearly that Red Hat may be violating IP and one day they may have to step up and pay royalties. Why not? Every time I ship a copy of my operating system, I pay royalties to Novell and Veritas. There will be a day of reckoning for Red Hat and SuSE when this is done. But we're focused on the IBM situation.
CRN: How much of this stems from Project Monterey? [Project Monterey was a joint venture between IBM, Intel and SCO to produce a Unix-based cross-platform operating system.]
McBride: IBM walked away from Project Monterey, and they told us if we didn't like it, sue us. That took two years out of our life. IBM took chunks out of Monterey, a derivative of AIX, and gave it away. Y
I've discovered SCO's secret weapon... and if I'm not judging incorrectly, they may even come after slashdot. It appears as though "/" is the intellectual property of SCO. See.. that's why they can't really go after MS, they just don't want anyone to know so they can try and scare them into giving them large amounts of money. My God. They really have their stuff together, don't they.
It would be awfully hard for them to show intent - that the code was actually knowingly used without their permission. This is obvious.. as the entire linux world is going "HuH? What are you talking about?"
But they don't have to show intent to prove infringement, all they have to do is show that they owned the copyright and that IBM copied the code. Copying can be shown inferentially, since it is almost impossible to prove directly. See Roth Greeting Cards v. United Card Co., 429 F.2d 1106, 1110 (9th Cir. 1970). Presumably, they are going to attack IBM's ability to sequester their Linux coders from the coders involved with the SCO code.
If they claim that GNU/Linux infringes their IP, and then they turn around and distribute their own version of Linux via the GPL, doesn't that mean they are GPLing thier IP? Thus if it was "stealing" when the IP was "copied" (which is crazy anyway), it isn't anymore.....
I'm sure that doesn't work out in the legal world, but it's a nice brain-teaser.
Why don't they ( SCO ) just simply die w/out making any noise ? Even God would have substantial problems in resurrecting that Company.
SCO is kind of like Microsoft.
"CRN: What are you trying to do? Some say you are trying to compete against Linux by destroying it.
McBride: We will use our best efforts to protect our source code
"
That is some really scary stuff. He flat out wants to destroy Linux.
Througout the entire interview it is apparent, the guy is full of BS. I'm sick of the entire industry fighting over IP. The entire subject of IP is BS. If IP was out of the picture, then quality service would be priority, not who thought up an idea first. Linux is not UNIX. It was based on it, and it is compatible in many respects to it. In the end, it was written from scratch. Whether there is something within Linux now that came from them, that isn't important. The important thing is that we need to stop this IP BS. Linux has givin the IT industry something it needs. The open source philosophy is something better, stronger, and more important than anything any commercial entity can throw at us (or sell for that matter). Commercializing everything and breaking it up into small fragments where one owns this another owns that and then all the lawyers jump in to the join the big cock fight orgy only ruins the industry. It never ceases to amaze me how people hurt themselves, from smoking cigarettes to ownership of ideas. Will people ever wake up and smell the ethics?
Question everything.
...when they start suing the people who developed various versions of Berkeley Systems Development (BSD) UNIX.
:-/
Such an act will effectively have SCO piss of the ENTIRE UNIX community, and G*d help McBride when the Macintosh crowd with its noisy supporters get involved, given that MacOS X is built heavily on BSD UNIX.
Sad, but ultimately, I think this is SCO's last ditch move.
If SCO wins the lawsuit, then it will be a witchhunt. They will go after every business that has Linux under their wing like MS has been doing.
People will basically look at SCO and see it no different from the monster that is Microsoft.
However, if SCO loses, then they lose in totality.
Businesses don't like other businesses who are sue-happy. Why would you do business with a company which thinks nothing of sue'ing to get it's way even when it would be a losing proposition?
They will have no support from the OpenSource community since their very actions seek to taint Linux and potentially other open code bases by claiming they took code from illegally gained code.
Companies will also quite likely ban together in either a class action or multiple lawsuits, sue'ing for damages in lost business which SCO has inflicted, should SCO be proven wrong.
I for one hope the issue goes to trial. Should SCO lose, it will be the end of them. And should they win, then they will be a monster up there with, but in the shadow of, MS.
Personally, I found the Rambus suits to the distasteful. I find this one equally so.
Winged Power Photography
SCO supports the rights of capitalistic engineers everywhere who want the sin of profiting from their work.
While OSS has the opposite effect of making their work free, thereby devaluing their earning ability, and allowing corporations to profit from their support package at engineers expense.
As an engineer thats wishes to be rich one day and earn money from his ideas not just give them away while making corporations like Red Hat profitable all I can say is,"Go SCO!!!"
Long live making money from your own IDEA's!!!!!
Just thought I'd post my comments to SCO here as well.
Hello. I'm an admin at a medium sized company that currently uses SCO OpenServer 5.0.5 to run our accounting package.
I just thought I would voice my opinion that I am totally disgusted with the lawsuit against IBM, and after reading the threats to RedHat and SuSE I'm making it a personal goal of mine to see that Server stripped of SCO software, and running RedHat Linux within a time frame of 1 month. I'm currently testing the Linux version of our software which our vendor has agreed to supply us with free of charge.
I think your actions are well deserving of a response such as this, and would also recommend other admins in my position do the same.
I'll keep you posted as to the date of our SCO license burning festivities.
Thanks for your time.
Get yourself an account and get some karma, then you can do your own fucking moderation. Otherwise, STFU!!
... no one cares 'bout SCO and their stupid lawsuits.
The City on the Edge of Forever.
DFL
Never send a human to do a machine's job.
If IBM, Redhat, and Suse haven't done anything
wrong then why are you sweating it? If you're
so convinced that SCO doesn't have a case then
relax, it will just go away and SCO will have
simply earned themselves bad publicity for all
their effort.
Kent Wilson
What's really funny about this is IBM has tons of patents, and I'm sure SCO's SYSV must have violated at least one of them. A smell counter-suit. This is the only reason to have software patents... protection of the self.
Virtually, Edward Wolpert
" so you guys are being hurt financial by the move towards open source software, that is usually free of charge?" "yes" "and how does that make you feel?" "angry" "why?" "...do you have any idea how much insurance costs for my third ferrari???"
...well, exactly WHICH code did they *allegedly* steal? Got a link?
Of course they will. Will it save them? No. They can eliminate IBM, Red Hat and Susi but free software will remain. The contributions of such companies are considerable but far from required. Microsoft will run out of whores faster than the world will run out of free softare developers and users. IBM is not going to lose either and SCO is going to find that the faster they prosecute this nonsenes the quicker they die.. The demise of such whores only makes working with M$ that less atractive and free software that much better.
It's like watching your buddies in 1970 vintage Soviet tanks getting splattered because they were too afraid of Sadam to run away. You don't need to see much of that before you move onto the bigger better thing.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
MacOS X is BSD based, without a lick of Sys V in it. AIX is it's own thing, derived from the old OSF standard that was never adopted. (Not to be confused with the OSF pushed by DEC, which became Digital Unix, which became True64, which is BSD-based.)
Palm and Symbian are most certainly not System V based. Nor is VMS or OS/400. QNX, Plan 9, OS/9, RTOS are not Sys V based. The Amiga OS and its derivatives, Pheonix and Morph/OS are not Sys V based. Atheos is not Sys V based.
NetBSD has picked up some Sys V flavor in the past couple of years, but it's still, well, BSD. The other BSDs are definitely not Sys V, and free and clear of it with BSD 4.4 Lite based implementations.
Sys V based:
SCO (Unixware and SCO Unix)
Solaris (but with BSD flavor)
IRIX (Ditto.)
HP-UX (But with a Mach microkernel.)
Whatever name Fujitsu-Siemens is shilling Pyramid Unix as these days.
UNICOS
Non-Stop Unix
Doesn't Unisys still flog their own Unix?
You get the hint. Apart from Solaris and HP-UX, Sys V is only seen in ultra-tiny market segements boasting big server hardware.
SoupIsGood Food
If there is IP embedded in Linux, what is it? What can we do to replace it? How should the linux community move forward? What can people do to help?
I just thought I'd write in my feelings regarding your companies recent (and threatened) legal actions against respected members of the open source community. I am a technically inclined person and in fact make almost all major decisions regarding technologies at my place of work (non-profit company, 20+ employees, two websites, 10 workstations). Because of your companies recent litigious behavior you can be certain that I will never recommend a product produced by your outfit. In fact I would go one further and actively dissuade any persons that cross my path whom I might think would be looking in your direction and I will carry this decision with me for the rest of my career. This is a bad business move and while I realize that sales member are not responsible for these types of decisions I also know that you are the first in line to see and hear their repercussion. Please pass my message on to the appropriate persons. Thanks for your time. Zach **** San Diego, CA 92101
Quack, quack.
"I am a strong supportor of the opensource and the free software movement. I and millions like me are the ones who will be making the business and purchase decisions of the future. Do not think your attack on the open source movement will go UNPUNISHED it will cause your very downfall. If SCO continues this pathetic lawsuit and think that strong arming the open source movement will cause it to fail then you are very badly mistaken. Instead of trying these underhanded and cheap ticks maybe SCO should focus on writing some good code for a change. If you do not stop trying to destory the open source and free software movement the movement will destory you. Also if SCO does not publicly apologize for their actions immidialty I will make sure that in my entire life I will never ever endorse SCO products. I will make sure to advise every people that I meet in the technology field not to ever even go near a SCO product or technology since according to me they are a pathetic company which intead of fixing their sorry list of products, tries to cloak thrir shortcommings in by sueing others who are truely doing innovative and good work thank you "
did anyone else read that in a wrestlemania tone? is sco going to start throwing chairs at red hat?
Can someone catch me up in three URLs or less?
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
it is better, just ask the lemmings :)
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
ONE BIIILLLLLLION DOLLARS!!!!
Muuuuhhhhhhhhhhaaaahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!
To paint the picture of just one of them: arms and legs wrapped around his briefcase, white-knuckled, bug-eyed from terror, suit flapping behind him, waiting for the meaty thud.
That cartoonist R. Crumb could really do it justice.
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
"..if it hadn't been for you pesky kids!"....I think that's how it always ends on Scooby-Doo.....
The war's got my fever up on this....I say rob, rape, pillage and destroy SCO....burn everything down, leave nothing standing....
This is a really important milepost for OSS...we need to start leaving "heads on stakes" to warn others like SCO. Trivial/unfounded/money-grubbing lawsuits will result in your own death....every single time, no exceptions.
Thank you.
www.sco.com
Server: Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1
I just thought I'd write in my feelings regarding your companies recent (and threatened) legal actions against respected members of the open source community.
I am a technically inclined person and in fact make almost all major decisions regarding technologies at my place of work (non-profit company, 20+ employees, two websites, 10 workstations).
Because of your companies recent litigious behavior you can be certain that I will never recommend a product produced by your outfit.
In fact I would go one further and actively dissuade any persons that cross my path whom I might think would be looking in your direction and I will carry this decision with me for the rest of my career.
This is a bad business move and while I realize that sales member are not responsible for these types of decisions I also know that you are the first in line to see and hear their repercussion.
Please pass my message on to the appropriate persons.
Thanks for your time.
Zach ****
San Diego, CA 92101
Quack, quack.
Yes, FUNNY!! Yep, that's the FUNNIEST goddamn thing I've EVER HEARD!
Fucking worthless dipshit moderators......
SCO has a market cap of 37.1M today. Shares are $3 and change.
12 million shares outstanding.
I bet there's enough slashdot readers to just buy the company and opensource they're holdings.
Redhat & IBM both could buy the company without hurting too much.
SCO is blasting their feet with a shotgun just as fast as they can pump shells into the chamber. SCO distributes Linux themselves. Since Linux is GPL licensed, they've basically handed the IP in dispute to the world. Assuming there's anything other than a smoking ruin when IBM gets through with them, anyone else they harass can probably turn right around and countersue them for violating their own licence. At most, the kernel hackers might have to "refactor" their development around a SCO kernel source tree.
I've also seen some Chicken Little ranting that MS might buy SCO so they can turn their IP into a Doomsday Weapon. Nope! MS won't touch 'em with a 10,000 foot pole because SCO already cut the legs from under most any possible offensive use of that IP.
The only problem is that SCO distributes Linux themselves. Anything they own (which I doubt) in the Linux kernel is now properly GPLed and has been downloaded by thousands. They can point out code till the cows come home. They've already committed a Scientology-style Footbullet.
Subject: I will go out of my way....
...to make sure that at any job I ever have, I conciously and visciously go out of my way to remove every trace of your company's software from my workplace.
I find your attack on the linux community appaling and sickening, and hope that those in charge of this horrible plot to damage the opensource community do not get golden parachutes as they drive SCO into the ground.
I am not a fan of IBM, Redhat or SUSE- however I hope these lawsuits backfire and cripple your company. This is just lame.
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You know what to do:
Kill the mail server!
Make Tux proud......
Seems like an easy way to let them know what the Linux Community really thinks. I guess this would be the best way to send them some feedback :)
i guess now is a nice time to say GNU/Linux .....and Gnu Not Unix !!!
The SCO Group
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Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042 USA
801-765-4999 phone
801-765-1313 fax
They especially like pr0n, weird sex, and lots of furniture and tool catalogs.
They've already been thru the court system and
came clean.
Check it out. It's an old version of Apache old mod_ssl old openssl.... hmmm
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All adressed to "Mr Tux" ;-)
Slashdot - The one stop shop for procrastination
Jeez, does IBM have so many lawyers that they have to catapult them in?
You didnt know that laywers have wings?
Is there any real news comming from the IBM case?
What would happen if IBM turned around and backstabbed Linux?
SCO is using all sorts of GPL'ed code. They are in violation of the GPL with their actions, and as such, the FSF and other holders of copyright on that code can REVOKE their license to use it.
I'd imagine there are even GPL'ed apps bundled in UnixWare...
SCO is announcing to the world that they are prepared to go nuclear on this. So, everyone else needs to nuke them FIRST.
How strong will they be with no product to sell?
Corporatism != Free Market
i looked at scox's web page. from what i see, they've made a wrapper for linux, a mail server, and their own flavor of linux. that's what i see.
i checked out their stock price and noticed a volume of 7,333 shares at 3.10 per share. that's a bad omen. it almost looks like i.b.m. won't be able to get their wallets out fast enough to save the everyday people of 'scox'.
i'm no lawyer, but i think a patent isn't valid if the process is a common industry standard. hell, linux is nothing more than a bunch of simple everyday routines. so just what did scox buy when it bought the rights to unix?
i can't help but wonder if scox bought the brooklyn bridge thinking they could then charge tolls on it...
Gee, sounds a lot like Osama's, "The day of reckoning will come upon the infidels." Wonderful role model for SCO ...
Looks like someone's server is having some trouble...... SCO just fucked themselved up the ass.
/. /. /."
The crowd cheers: "/.
The server falls to it's knees.
>:-)
For example, we could make autocon, autogen, automake, binutils, gcc, emacs/xemacs, KDE, Gnome, gdb, gnu tar, cpio, ghostscript, gzip, bzip2, and any other essential GNU tools refuse to compile or run on SCO. SCO would then have to go and spend all of their time patching everything to run on their dead platform. Just make certain that any new GNU software does not work with SCO.
That will get their attention.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
They are also going after IBM for alleged improper use of IP resulting from Project Monterrey (which involved SCO and IBM). SCO claims IBM terminated Monterrey, then started pushing Linux instead. To make the leap that therefore IBM was putting SCO-derived Monterrey code into Linux seems a bit of a stretch.
And, I've seen AIX headers (from 4.x); I think they still had some Unix copyrights in them. But, I seem to remember that the AIX kernel is not at all derived from AT&T/USL/SCO code.
That is to say that even Red Hat several years ago (1999's IPO filling) knew they may have IP issues in the future. SCO is not threatening Red Hat, SuSE or Grandma's Apple Pie despite some people's reaction. McBride is simply saying that the fears Red Hat had in 1999 are accurate, not because of anything they did, but because of IBM's arrogance.
Further, the Slashdot post makes the statement "They (SCO I guess) seem bent on destroying the Open Source community." What a stupid statement especially since McBride says specifically:
Since when is the Open Source movement 100% dependant on IBM? Open Source grew and flourished for years before IBM got on board, and it would do fine without them. Sure, if IBM looses OSS projects may be much more careful about where they get their code, but is that a bad thing? The GNU folks don't thinks so.
The best word on the subject was what McBride said himself:
Unfortunately for McBride the
No text for YOU!
What's IBM:s view one this whole mess? There must be some kind of official (or inofficial) remark or comment from them on this.
Are they playing this safe, or unleashing Utah-covering-hoards of lawyers on poor SCO?
I can't help but feel gleefully expectant of what will happen when IBM makes their move. It's a little like watching those MTV-crazys take a kick in the groin or going down a stairway in a shopping cart.
Isn't it great to finally have the big gorilla in the right corner!
Die dulci fruere. Have a nice day.
+1, true.
No, Microsoft can't get rid of IBM; what would lead you to think they could?
There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
-- David D. Friedman
They don't give a shit if they kill everyone else as long as they get a few dollars more. They are a bankrupt business and this last throw of the dice may give their investors one more payout. And who knows, maybe this action does have malicious intent; who benefits the most from this selfish action?
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
The mafia don't resort to the courts either. They don't have to.
Magnus.
They want to say they own the "idea" of Unix. The flowcharts, tech data, research papers--if any was based on unix and reimplemented elsewhere they think they should have a cut!
They're going after IBM because they have devoted a chunk of their AIX engineers to linux patches. Those engineers know Unix inside and out--but porting "their" (ibms) code outside the "club" is against some tradesecret rule in the contract.
They may have an infringment case against Red Hat and Suse as they distributed actual SCO files with linux for a while (pulled a while ago?) so their distros would have compatibility.
It would seem that the original Bell-Lab Unix patents would have ran out long ago. SCO may have it's own portfolio, but not really, unless there's a cross-license in all the Unix licenses that allows them to claim all the other Unix patents for redistribution. Messing with IBM is dangerous. They could pound SCO into the ground on patents alone! They could get the patent chain offically ended by the courts though-It's been long enough for the originals to expire--derivitive works should be allowed from the original Bell Labs work with no licensing at all, that's the point of patents to get into the public. Right now SCO is only holding a tradmark for "unix" that's of any legal value.
I think this was previously mentioned in a past post about the SCO vs IBM case, but which IP are they suppose to have been abused?
While reading the case
41. Shared libraries are by their nature unique creations based on various decisions to write code in certain ways, which are in great part random decisions of the software developers who create the shared library code base. There is no established way to create a specific shared library and the random choices in the location and access calls for "hooks" that are part of the creation of any shared library. Therefore, the mathematical probability of a customer being able to recreate the SCO OpenServer Shared Libraries without unauthorized access to or use of the source code of the SCO OpenServer Shared Libraries is nil.
If someone compiles something with these shared libraries, does that make that derrived work dependent upon the share code and subject to having used the shared library IP?
If someone creates a compile (say gcc), including its own libraries (say libc), it does not then violated source code duplication, unless code was used in the compiler or library....right?
If someone creates something that has the same interfaces (say posix) as someone else, is that subject to violation?
It makes reference to 4000 applications written for SCO OpenServer. Are any of these specifically gnu related applications which are ported to a given platform? Does that mean if something was written for a different platform, is it subject to the same viloations?
50. As SCO was poised and ready to expand its market and market share for UnixWare targeted to high-performance enterprise customers, IBM approached SCO to jointly develop a new 64-bit UNIX-based operating system for Intel-based processing platforms. This joint development effort was widely known as Project Monterey
53. Specifically, plaintiff and plaintiff's predecessor provided IBM engineers with valuable information and trade secrets with respect to architecture, schematics, and design of UnixWare and the UNIX Software Code for Intel-based processors.
So does this mean they provided any sort of possible NDA Intel information to IBM? Did SCO in turn violate any agreements with Intel in doing so?
Are schematics and design IP? By that I mean, if I write something that conforms to a specific design or schematic, am I in violation? Or since it is new code, is it not in violation?
Has IBM developed any 64-bit UNIX for the PowerPC chip line?
AIX is not currently on the Intel platform correct?
54. By about May 2001, all technical aspects of Project Monterey had been substantially completed. The only remaining tasks of Project Monterey involved marketing and branding tasks to be performed substantially by IBM.
55. On or about May 2001, IBM notified plaintiff that it refused to proceed with Project Monterey, and that IBM considered Project Monterey to be "dead." In fact, in violation of its obligations to SCO, IBM chose to use and appropriate for its own business the proprietary information obtained from SCO.
So was anything ever done with Project Monterey? Did IBM ever produce a 64-bit Intel platform product? Perhaps this would be a breach of contract between IBM and SCO, but is it a violation if one decides after working on something not to follow through for other reasons such as performance, or outdated by something else?
If IBM felt that Linux was a better platform to make a 64-bit Unix then Unixware, etc, then this doesn't seem to be a violation to move to that platform verses SCOs derrived platform.
However, if while analizing the platform, they found weaknesses or strengths in the product, does that count as a violation since it is derrived from SCO work? If that was then feed into so
Eric B
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I want to read the story but it's already slashdotted. Now the IBM lawsuit earlier I thought was just a big press stunt, but saying that after IBM they'll go after RedHat and SuSe is psychotic. They honestly can't be thinking they'll make it past IBM to begin with and secondly aren't they going after stuff that is GPL'd in the kernel? Which would mean they would HAVE to go after every single person and/or vendor who has compiled and sold the kernel for anything. Regardless of what the judge says should be proper penalties. I'm not a judge or lawyer but I can already see; "What took you so long to address this problem, surely you had a vested interest". I mean Linux did exist before IBM and if you make it past IBM which i'd probably fall over dead at that news but if, infact you do there is just no way you'll be allowed to exist selling "Unix" anymore. If you are an investor and invest in SCO; I'd sell right now before the IBM lawyers decide to rip SCO down to bare nothing, make them go bankrupt and then buy all their shit at an auction to recoup the lawyer fees.
SCO, you will not be missed and I think the place where you once stood will be scorched earth and well deserved. You're terrorists by every definition of the word.
The comment was meant to be a parody / paraphrasing of SCO's thinking.
The fact of the matter is that SCO has already heard the feelings of the Slashdot "legions"; Here, here, here, here, here, here and several more. They know exactly where the Slashdot "legions", as you say, stand and yet they choose to continue to lie about their intentions and press on with litigation. SCO could NOT care less what the Slashdot crowd thinks.
One last note: Don't kid yourself! Slashdot users have a much higher opinion of themselves and their "power"(buying or political) than the rest of the world does. I think that this quote might be best "stop taking arrows from the Slashdot kiddies and their spiritual kin", it was made by ESR. You can read it for yourself here.
If the UNIX IP suit fails, he can try to collect royalties on over-used cliches.
you mean xfs? whoop-dee-doo. :-)
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
SCO - Stop Creating Open-source...
Dude, where's my karma...?Dude, where's my Karma?
SCO: Suing Competitors Operation
As tenuous as that line of reasoning is, shouldn't SCO be able to point to some Linux code and say "This is derived from AIX"? I mean, the LKML is an open forum. If they have a legitimate claim, it should be ridiculously easy to go back through the archives and find the code _contributed_by_someone_from_IBM_ that supports their allegations. Yet in their complaint, the best they can offer is "There's no way Linux could have advanced that quickly, so IBM must have done something sneaky".
Hell, IBM has a slam-dunk defense. They can just filter the archives for all the contributions that were made by someone other than IBM employees, dump it in the judge's lap and say, "Here's how Linux progressed so quickly!"
Now what would happen to SCO if everyone who read this filed a suit against them in their own local jurisdiction?
If there is one thing SCO is known for, its support for massively SMP machines. Why, I once saw this 1024 CPU behemoth... oh wait, that was IRIX on mips. Well, there was this screamer of a system with 64 CPU's that collectively managed a sustained flops somewhere in the trilli... oh wait. That was Solaris on SPARC. Well how about that 128 CPU monstrosity...ooh, nevermind. Tru64 on alpha.
[thumbs through unix reference for 'SCO']
Here it is. SCO Unix is known as "the lamest unix implementation on the lamest CPU family in the history of technology, several notches below Minix, which itself was an intentionally incomplete unix implementation meant to teach students OS theory".
There you have it.
McBride: No. Whose making money off Linux? Red Hat barely had its head above water and it's right back down again. If you look closely, a lot of the Linux distributors have gone out of business on this model. You have to ask, who is making money?
* these "open-source people" aren't the kind of
* greedy SOB that I am. Linux is killing any
* hopes that I have for solvency....*/
And it's IBM. IBM is making money on boxes and IBM Global Services. If you're this company, don't you have an interest in the operating system being commoditized because there's more money in hardware and services?
* code into parts of an open-source OS, people
* will buy more of the hardware and services
* that IBM sells? */
* what SCO is claiming Linux has now. (and as
* that moron kludged we're not actually talking
* about the kernel) */
* of everyone who has implemented derivatives of
* his algorithms. */
Linus Torvalds regulates the trademark and determines what goes in and out of the kernel. So who is the policing agency that checks the code and makes sure there aren't IP violations? Linux doesn't have IP roots. If it's true that IBM has violated, let's get some roots in the ground on this.
* that society &
* agent and if someone tossed something in and
* we all knew that it was infringement, it'd be
* out before Linus could put out the fire in his
* inbox. */
comments?
I hate to say it, but I agree with the fellow. IBM is big, remember how they trashed the people who cloned microchannel? SCO won't stand on their own, Microsoft will have to probably move hundreds of millions if not billions into the coffers of SCO to get victory. The IRS gets info on any transaction over 10 grand, so if it's not leaked internally, the IRS is sure to leak it on one level or another. I'll wager that IBM will find something to countersue on after this, and will either run SCO into the ground or end up owning them, as well as start harassing Caldera, which I believe is their parent corp. (They've got that "openunix" now instead of a Gnu/Linux style OS)
Don't call my crazy, that's what they called me back in the home!
Wow. That's like the Iraqi Information Minister saying that Rummy is going to look as strange as the Iraqi Information Minister when this is all over...or...something.
Or as strange as Rummy having investments in China's Red Flag Linux (look it up).
They have employees. The employees have families. Some of us in the Linux community are some seriously crazy people. Linux. Keiretsu. Think about it. This SCO thing should not represent a problem.
Washington, DC: It's like Hollywood for ugly people.
mmmm... hermaphrodite penis
-ESR
I really don't know either. Something about Linux stealing 'unix source code', then about stealing 'libraries source code'. Linux comes from Unix? Since when? Is the idea of a posix operating system IP? It isn't to my knowledge.
I think it's pretty obvious what's going on. SCO is spiraling down, and in an attempt to get some business back, they're trying to portray using Linux as illegal. Unless their lawyers are complete idiots, they realize suing RedHat would result in a) them losing b) RedHat not having any money to give them even if they won.
..I'm not angry whatsoever, just wondering which part of linux that sco still owns, that's all. Simple enough and obvious question, they claim to want to "protect their source code". Where is it? In discovery it has to come out anyway, there's no practical reason to not release the information now. It will neither hurt nor help any case they might have, near as I can see, but will make their case at least clearer to the "community" at large. You'd think with all the press they would want to at least give some hints to back up their claims. So far all I have seen is "in general". They own unix so linux must therefore be their's because it couldn't have been written without IBM releasing propietary code. that is their general claim. Well.., I'll repeat,where's the beef, WHAT code? If it's been released, that means it's "out there" all over now, so that part is in the wild, all they need is to publish a road map where to look. I doubt anyone wants to run propietary, and if they KNEW about this, why did they wait so long? To bump up the potential damage award? That starts to get into some squirrely legal grounds then on their part.
:"can't tell ya, it's a seekrit, but he did it and I want it back plus damages"
I run some linux, sure, but I have confidence that no matter WHAT "unlawful" code might be in this or that distro, that the coders can fix it forthwith, and would be glad to do so, if they knew which code was stolen IP.
Can you see joe sixpack going to small claims court--> "yrr honor, my neighbor schlomo stole something of mine". Judge: "well, what?" Joe sixpack
This case so far is just as ludicrous. SCO can remedy that with a simple text page press release of the code in question on the web,or at least a decent description, and shoot off some emails. That they don't is what most folks are wondering about, to most people it appears to be some sort of scam or scheme. Me, personally, don't care, it's not like I can't find a "lawful" operating system to use, got several sitting within 5 feet of me right now, several of them still sitting inside shrinkwrap for that matter.
If I had to guess and I was joe colombo, I would start with "gee, what do aix, suse and redhat all have in common that's slick enough to do a major lawsuit over?"
SCO DOES believe that IBM has illegally taken SCO Intellectual Property and deliberately fed it into the linux community. If you read the complaint the scenario goes something like this...
SCO and IBM enter into agreement to produce 'hardened' Unix for the Intel Platform. When this development is done, and SCO expects IBM to market it, IBM says "nevermind we don't want to go in that direction anymore". Months later IBM announces an initiative to help the linux community 'harden' linux
SCO claim that IBM illegally used what they learned from SCO to make IP contributions to Linux. So even if the code wasn't copied the knowhow was illegally transfered from a private partnership with huge NDA coverage, to a public project without SCO's consent. If this is true, they have a case against IBM
I do not know what there case may be against Red Hat etc.
Keep passing the open windows...
but I'll quote this from SCO's website anyway:
:)
In the case at hand, SCO initially approached IBM about this diplomatically. However, in the end we came to an impasse. More than three decades and billions of dollars have gone into developing UNIX, and SCO has a responsibility to protect that investment for the benefit of every customer, developer, reseller, shareholder, employee and partner. Thus it has become necessary to protect this highly valuable asset through the legal system.
Isn't it obvious that UNIX today is so valuable that Linux and any OSS competitor must pay licenses and royalties to SCO even though GNU/Linux is NOT UNIX.
I think SCO's board is just sad because they lied to their investors about the value of UNIX.
And these are the execs responsible for their recent childish actions:
Darl C. McBride - President, CEO
Robert K. Bench - CFO
Sean Wilson - SVP Corp
Jeff Hunsaker - SVP Sales / Marketting
Chris Sontag - SVP GM SCOsource division
Opinder Bawa - SVP Engineering, Global Services
Reg Broughton - SVP Worldwide Ops
All of them stupid white men except Opinder Bawa, which I suspect doesn't have much to do with this. But I don't know all the details, so please comment and fill in anything I'm missing or correct me where I'm wrong.
I hope they take BSD too ... it would help the opensource community ... Who needs redhat ... I have my Genuine copy of Windows XP off KaZaA ...
In Soviet Russia, You try SCO!
I think people are a bit confused. It is not SCO vs Linux or SCO vs Open Source. It is SCO vs IBM. The same IBM that licensed their code, the same IBM that broken their contratual agreements with SCO. IBM is using linux as a scapegoat. Throwing the new guy, the new guy that everyone (except Microsoft) loves, including SCO.
See! This is what happens when you leave the GNU off the front of Linux. GNUs not Unix...remember?
Maybe now this can finally be rectified and we will learn to prepent the GNU..
We can only hope.
I would say it's more like a parasite. If a virus doesn't have a host it can stay dormant for a long time, until it finds one whereupon it springs to life and spawns many copies of itself.
Here's a stick in the eye to the Canopy group and Norda!
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Hmmm ... let's see ... 3 copies * $0.52/copy total = $1.56 total. We're dealing with a lot of money here!
My boss just claimed to have some inside scoop about Larry Ellison is getting ready to buy out Caldera/SCO before IBM does it.
Anybody have any ideas about how that takeover will affect our world?
Anybody stop to think about what might happen is Larry Ellison buys them instead?
If you strike Red Hat and SuSE down, the rest of us will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
That is all.
From a business perspective, such a policy can make good sense. According to a book I once read, Xerox came to the same conclusion. Back in the 60's and 70's, they chased after everybody that might be violating their patents, but in the 1980's they decided that chasing people through the courts was a distraction from their main business and more trouble than it was worth.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
"Just wait for the IBM forces to commit suicide on our UNIX IP! Oh we're killing them all over. In fact they're begging for mercy! What? I don't see any tanks..."
-- B. Bob, Sr VP SCO
...and then fire every last one of the fuckers. That would serve them.
suppose I copyright my DNA (how do i do that?) and the copyright expires - could SCO threaten my life?
If I couldn't or wouldn't pay up - then what?
Er wait in 20 years - "who the hell is SCO?"
My hyperlinks aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
...is like going to war without France.
Yeah, flamebait. It's a joke kids.
If not . . . kill 'em.
... it's always a surprise
What is the deal with the phone number on their contact page:
1-888-GO-LINUX
I thought you looked at me because you liked me?
That's why we look at eachother, right?
Oh hell, leave me out of this! I'm going home...to my basement. You should go back to yours too, in Hellhole-Idaho or Hell-Michigan.
Bonus points go to the first person to break into the www.sco.com website and use their site to mirror the article...
May we never see th
At least a nuclear blast has a chance (depending on proximity) to kill you instantly. Death by lawyers? Slow and extremely painful. I know what I'd pick.
They try to sue SuSE they will get their asses handed to em, SuSE has IP in the version of Linux that is UnitedLinux, YaST among other things is not open source, let SCO sue, I can see a major SuSE countersuit. If thats how SCO treats its friends, I hate to see how they treat their enemies.
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Actually civil cases are decided on "preponderance of the evidence" as opposed to criminal cases which are decided on "reasonable doubt."
Correct, though IANAL. I would bet, however, that it still requires evidence, and so far most of the claims are nebulous enough to be laughable. The real question is what *evidence* SCO is willing to show in court-- will they actually show their source code? it seems to me that the glory of open source here is that the process is transparent enough that SCO may have a hell of a time proving their case.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
To whom it may concern,
This is to inform the SCO Group that as of May 1st, 2003 if all litigation against IBM and possibly Red Hat and SuSE is not halted that I, Orlando Echevarria will cease to recommend and use ALL SCO Group products.
As a result of the recent legal actions by the SCO Group against IBM and the Open Source movement, I have come to the conclusion and believe that they have no merit. I, along with others feel this way and as a result, I am taking this action. This is nothing personal against anyone in the SCO Group company, but from the standpoint of the customer and user, this legal action by the SCO Group is being viewed as an attack against the Open Source movement and is based on greed. We all have mouths to feed and roof to put over our heads but through litigation; this is not the responsible way to handle this situation.
Please note that the ban and dis-promotion of all SCO Group products will not take affect until May 1st, 2003 or SCO Group terminates its litigation against IBM before the May 1st 2003 deadline.
Please know that, I have evaluated the situation at hand and have come to this very difficult decision after a lengthly deliberation based on the facts available.
Former OpenLinux User,
Cycloneous
How dare you compare Ford to being SCO!
Where can you buy a GM truck from a junkyard, fix the tough frame, throw in a transmission and engine, and light the fire as always would a Ford?
GM is shit, Ford is tough! My friend was in a frontal collision with a little rice burner about one year ago. The front of his Ford was pushed-in about a foot, and the only thing needed to be replaced was the radiator and one fuel injector, and some good ol' American pounding with a mallet to push the front back into form. The rice burner...marked as salvage and taken to the dump...its engine compartment was where the driver was and the driver became an unhappy rear passenger.
I mean, which is more preposterous, going from Dos->Windows->NT, or going from Minix->Linux? My copy of Silberschatz & Galvin's "Operating Systems Concepts" isn't too detailed, but I do recall that in addition to the Vax/VMS heritage (Dave Cutler being the architect) that there was a Mach kernel influence...hm... Anyway, SCO, listen up. There's potential here, at least as solidly founded as your case against IBM/RedHat/SuSE. Or maybe HP vs. M$?
I am looking into the patent that Linus Torvalds holds as the trademarks known as "LINUX". To my understanding, if anyone is to indemnify and hold harmless the owner of the patent being used, then such action of declaring clame on the property held as "LINUX" would be what?
I think Linus Torvalds, with a Pro Per Attorney, may be able to collect royalties in SCO's slander that "LINUX" is a part of SCO. Anyone else, other than me, has explored the prospect?
Yawn!
someone needs to give SCO a serous attitude adjustment...
I am going to Kill all the open source movement
from SCo Lawsuit.
this proves M$ is a evil empire .
Might I remind people that Linux is not the entire open source community. That's how MS thinks it is and I hate it when people use the term "Linux" and "Open Source" interchangeably.
It's the same misconception that makes people think that all software for Linux is free.
The authors can't revoke the license; it either remains valid, or it's automatically revoked due to a violation (the authors could perhaps sue to enforce such a revocation however).
In any case, simply suing IBM is not a violation of the GPL; are there any actual violations taking place, such as not publishing source code to modified binaries they distribute?
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Hmm... I would think that Linus could make them cease and desist using the LINUX there as he owns the trademark.
McFly777
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"What do people mean when they say the computer went down on them?" -Marilyn Pittman
Message from M$ Info Minister(former Iraq Info Minister)
Never will windozes ever have bug now if linux is stopped by sco. We support SCO my leader Bill Gates is paying SCO to do this.
I repeat the SCO's belly will roast in hell if they lose it.
Folks,
... seek a cyber-military advantage over the cyber-community/economy.
....
SCO is just a crippled Proxy for others' covert activities.
This is what cyber-war and cyber-sabotage/espionage is all about.
So, "Follow the Money", does MS and others, Capitalist Republics, the Illuminati, the Patriots, the
Be Paranoid be very Paranoid
OldHawk777
Reality is a self-induced hallucination.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
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I do not understand why you are pursuing these blatantly insane legal shenanigans. As a SCO stock holder, I do not feel that your present actions are in the best interest of me, my shares or the Linux world in general. I originally purchased $4500 worth of stock at the IPO and had intended to keep this stock for the long haul, even though it is now nearly worthless. But if you insist in your attempts to harm the Linux and, by association, the IT/IS world I will have to dump my shares.
I had great hopes for Caldera. I go back far enough to remember when it first started up; when the name changed from Corsair to Caldera; I helped friends with recommendation to use Caldera Linux and even helped a friend get a job there. Now, it seems like you are doing everything you can to kill Linux, UnixWare & SCO Unix. It is a shame.
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If I actually could spell I'd have spelled it right in the first place.
Not one mention of how IBM has leaked any SCO IP into linux. Not one mention of how any IBM contributions might are SCO derived.
Not one mention of how any particular part of linux is contributed directly (instead of jointly developed with) IBM.
They successfully made PDF copies of the individual IP and Trademark transfers between parties (AT&T, IBM, SCO, etc.).
Hurrah. Real informative.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
Get out there boys and girls and show the market that we consider SCO to already be dead. If they lose the lawsuit against IBM, they're dead. If they win it, the open source community can rebuild around another kernel such as *BSD or GNU/Hurd and keep going without SCO. We'll bury them.
Furthermore, if they win the lawsuit, I can picture some licenses appearing that are open/free in every respect but one. They will prohibit use by SCO or on any platform that SCO derives revenue from.
As much as the Unix world has grown and blossomed through community development, it's hard to believe this is happening. But considering that the CEO is a guy who starts a sentence with, "At the end of the day," maybe it's not so hard.
Maybe SCO will grab a big pile of money from IBM, SUSE and Redhat. After lining the pockets of some execs and their lawyers, the net effect on the world will be to drive everybody to Linux, then SCO will dry up and blow away along with the recording industry.
Garbage can be composted and recycled. All I got is a lousy CD-ROM.
I gave SCO a shot a couple years ago, with every intention of using it in a production server. It worked ok, but everything had to be done the SCO way or no way, and I'll second the "horrible to maintain" remark. Linux was a lot easier and friendlier, so I threw out SCO after a month-long nightmare.
I'm guessing that Slackware is immune from SCO's wrath since it doesn't use SysV inits. If it isn't, there's always *BSD. I wouldn't have bought SCO again anyway, but I certainly won't after this stupid legal crap they're pulling.
Argh! I'm late to the rant party. I suspect this will never get read by anybody, but here's a thought for you:
Let's say IBM chooses to fight this (this seems to be the plan), and let's say some idiot US judge actually sides with SCO, and let's say SCO looses on appeal. Won't this really end up meaning that all Linux development will happen outside of the states? (a whole slew of it does already.) Think about Alan Cox's "I can't describe this security patch because it's a violation of the DMCA." Think about how open source cryptology was developed when encryption was considered a munition. Remember poor Phil Zimmerman?
I figure if they do win, they'll only be screwing over those of us who live (and program) in the states. Will China care? Especially two years from now when Red Flag Linux has gotten that much better. Will Europe care? (It's not like there is a whole lot of love between the US and Europe these days.) I suspect the rest of the world will shrug their shoulders at the silly Americans and their inane legal system and that will be the end of it.
I had the "luck" to admin some SCO servers in the past, and I can attest to OpenServer v4 and v5 being horrible pieces of crap to admin, but once they were up and running they chugged along without too much trouble. All in all, they were the only game in town for x86 *nix for a while, which basically led to their stagnation. I went from learning Unix on Sun hardware to Linux, and let me tell you, even Linux circa 1996 (redhat 3?) was way better than SCO at that time!
I don't know where you got some of your info, but the open source Skunkware CD was about the only thing that made SCO bearable, even if the packages were _waaay_ out of date.
Openserver didn't even come with networking OOTB until the 4.x version (I had to transfer files over a null-modem cable one time to save an old OS 3.x system since it had no networking installed -- took forever). It also didn't have a compiler installed by default, just a linker to relink the kernel after changing driver options. BTW, don't ever relink the kernel while users are logged on to the system! Openserver went *crazy* when I did that one time.
The modem thing sounds completely bogus, since I had single modems hanging off of each of the boxes for remote admin stuff (never tried an internal one, though).
You brought back horrible memories from the SCO days. There were even console programs *written for SCO* that didn't understand the 'scoansi' term type! AAHH!!!!
If only "common" sense was actually that common...
Every cool OS technology has been invented in Multics. Ask any OS researcher :)
Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
They seem bent on destroying the Open Source community
Really? Gosh, Novell settled with the BSDs. And SCO bought that settlement with the BSDs when the bought UNIX from Novell.
And this suit doesn't seem to effect Apache, Sendmail, PostgreSQL, MySQL, GNOME, etc la.
Looks like Open Source is fine. Unless you are defining Linux == Open Source out of ignornace or FUD.
I mean, it's not like there are hundreds of x86 OS's out there... M$ has seen to that.
A better question with the answer you hint at, would be "who could possibly have worse SMP support than SCO on x86?".
But, if you insist on an answer, I'll indulge. Either linux or a BSD, and I'm not guru enough to decide either way. Anyone else want to comment?
Dear Sir or Madam:
I have followed with great interest your company's Linux-related lawsuit against IBM, as well as the more recent announcement indicating that you will pursue lawsuits against RedHat and Suse.
I am frankly astounded that a once-honourable company like SCO would take such a stance against Linux and the Open Source community as a whole. I find it deeply troubling that you feel the need to punish others in a court of law for the development of their own, superior, modern, freely available, Posix-compliant operating system.
Based on my readings of your allegations -- and my experience as a software and computer engineering professional -- it is my opinion that your company will utterly fail in its lawsuit against IBM. Not only will you lose financially, I think that you will lose whatever remains of your respect in the IT profession. Though you may think that this is doing your company a favour (say, by trying to win money in the short term), I feel that it will only come back to damage SCO in the long run.
I believe that the tarnishment already inflicted upon SCO may be irreparable -- one need only follow popular Linux and IT websites (such as www.slashdot.org) to gauge user sentiment in this regard. Unfortunately, I must wish your company the worst of luck in trying to tarnish such an excellent operating system and a trend-setting company like IBM; however, I will happily wish you well when it leaves you looking for a new job.
Regards,
Anonymous
Ibm - when piling license fees for obscure technologies.
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OK from what I can see, on the IBM side it goes like this:
1) SCO licenses Unix source code to IBM, under a limited non-exclusive contract.
2) IBM incorporates that source code into their 'open source Linux' offering, violating the contract.
3) SCO sues for breach of contract.
Now on the RedHat/Suse comment, he barely implied that they would eventually have to look at those products, to see if there was any of the original Unix source code in them. If so, then they would also be targets.
I don't CARE if IBM gave their code to the happy happy open source world. If they violated the terms of their license with SCO, then SCO has NO CHOICE but to sue them, or their IP ownership becomes forfeit. As he said, they're in defense mode.
Now if RedHat follows the true Linux model of using completely ground-up from-scratch code to emulate or imitate Unix, then let SCO make as much noise as they want. There's no harm, except to themselves. On the other hand, if RedHat turns out to have some of SCO's source in their own, then they've stolen it either directly or indirectly. (Note that 'unrelated parallel engineering' or whatever it's called is a possible defense, but that's a long and arduous legal process--not really for discussion here)
So what's the problem again? Keep your nose clean, and they'll burn out. Screw up, and pay the consequences.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
Isn't BSD a non SysV OS, and thus not derivative of SCO's IP? Is not mac OSX based on BSD? So how is OSX derivative of SCO's IP?
This will be day of reckoning for Red Hat and SuSE when this is done. Let the Linux infidels come, they will commit suicide on the walls of the SCO headquarters. They think we are retarded - they are retarded.
Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
can someone update the SCO definition, and tell how wonderfull they are.
You stalking freak! You should probably be locked up!
Still, I admit she is kinda cute.
I don't think they can either. That's why I said, "IBM is not going to lose either and SCO is going to find that the faster they prosecute this nonsenes the quicker they die." My point was that achieving their goals would not save them.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Even if by some unimaginable turn of events SCO succeeded in making the Linux kernel illegal to use in the US, all that would do is shift the attention to a kernel not encumbered by SCO crap. Namely, Hurd.
Hurd has the potential to be true next generation, and if put on a proper microkernel such as L4 could really make a quantum leap in computer technology. Hurd doesn't have many developers right now, but can you imagine what a real concentration of effort on Hurd could do? Take the best things from the Linux kernel which aren't possibly SCO contaminated (XFS, resierfs, whatever else makes sense) and just recreate a new system from the ground up based on Hurd. It wouldn't happen on 386 machines this time either, so that would allow new ways of thinking.
All this is so dumb!!!
Linux is so modularized that even in the worst possible scenario, all what would be need would possibly be to dump the IP code and rewrite it again. Linux distributions didn't make money from Linux, since it is free. They are actually making money of putting it together in one easy to install/manage distro. Thus, Linux will survive and we'll have to kill all the lawyers one by one.
Who is willing to kill these guys???
That looks like a clear statement that they plan to sue RedHat and SuSE after the IBM lawsuit.
IBM claims we're about to go out of business, but we've never been as strong a company as we are now. If IBM said that last year, when we were on the ropes, well, OK, that would be different. But we expect to continue to grow our source code revenues, and our projected revenues next quarter will double that of what it is now.
Yea you keep telling yourself and your investors that. If you repeat something over and over again it might turn out to be true! Everything considered I hope they first get a brutal beating in court and then get bought out by IBM. I have this really scary picture in my mind seeing M$ getting their grubby little hands on SCO's IP.
I fail to see how writing software for free will ever be illegal ... thats kind of like saying the act of generosity will be punishable by death.
RedHat is a company, and as such is more than a valid target for any legal dueling in the world of business. If you somehow think RedHat is the embodiment of open source made flesh ... I think you need to reevaluate your definition of Open Source. :)
Just as linux was getting started with 0.9,
AT&T sued to stop fbsd. We've since gotten
a whole new clean code source, and things
are just fine.
Linux should do the same. Honestly, I don't
like SCO, but they *do* have a valid point.
(Valid in the sense that a court could likely
side with them, and linux's acquisition of
technologies was not exactly above board.)
A couple of friends and I used to work for Caldera a couple of years ago. So I feel fairly sure that my fellow ex-Caldera employees would all feel united in this statement to SCO:
"F*CK them!"
Haven't linux distros been using SysV-style stuff since BEFORE 1995, you know, when SCO got the rights to UNIX from Novell? It's not their code in SysV anyway. It has all been rewritten to "act" like SysV. Plus, if they technically "own" UNIX, could they not sue because the entire base for Linux distros "mimics" the UNIX environment?
I dunno, I see this lawsuit as baseless. It is being done by a company that is going under and is merely an attempt at reaching the surface of the water for one last breath of air.
Anyone, by any chance, considered whacking this SCO guy? He seems to be sufficiently evil to negate any bad effects killing him would have to your karma (not slashdot karma, but the real kind).
Starwars isn't cool anymore. Didn't you get the memo?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
SCO is to IBM what a fly is to a Gnu - an annoyance, not a threat.
IBM will kick them in the nuts and that will be that. No more SCO. Full steam ahead.
Remember that SCO has it's own proprietary UNIX product?. You could easily say that Linux has wiped out the sales of OpenUnix whatever. If SCO keeps on doing this, the only distro that will remain safe is probably Debian (It's quite hard to sue them, there all volunteers remember).
:-)
Hey.. hang on.. it's suing SuSE!! Ok.. the future of UnitedLinux is in the balance here.
I only wish there were such thing as the 'Slashdotters share fund'. Umm... it could prove really p0w3rfu1
L = the installed base. Stays positive, and grows.
dL/dT = adoption rate, the number of new installs per unit time. This number would stay positive (new people would keep installing linux). But I think this is what they want to shrink, in order to 'slow down' linux instalation. If dW/dT is higher (installs of windows) then MS 'wins' in the long run.
d2L/d2T is the rate of change in the adoption rate, or the 'acceleration'. if 10,000 people installed last month, and 12,000 people installed this month, then the acceleration 2k/month.
d3L/d3T is the jerk. If you had 10k one month 12k, then 14k, the jerk between the second and third months would be zero, but if you slowed down the acceleration rate, then the jerk would be negative. So like, 10k, 12k, 13.9k, the jerk would be -.1 for a the 3rd month.
Anyway, you can keep going with this forever.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Bidding starts at... One milllllllion dollars.
SCO sells a unix distribution
SCO also sells SCO Unix.
SCO claims IBM stole parts of SCO Unix, and put those peices in linux.
Since SCO has never GPL'd SCO Unix, no one else has any right to use it. If IBM were using parts of SCO unix, they would be in the wrong. Most people do not belive SCO's claims, however.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Well, I'm sure that a fusillade of badly spelt and severely ungrammatical insults and death threats will soon make SCO see the error of their ways and repent.
"Information wants to be paid"
He sounds like the Iraqi information minister to me
"Fighting terrorists with millitary might is like killing a mosquitor on your Dad's forehead with a rifle."
The SCO that Microsoft used to own a bit of is now called Tarentella, this SCO is just Caldera renamed, it's the bastard child of Novell.
Before they sued IBM they sued Microsoft, over DR-DOS.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
at work - won't get sued for using it :-)
Aaaargghh! WHO IS making money... !!! You anal-expulsive assholes!
_I_ am making money off Linux, dumbo! Just sold 2 CDs last night ;-)
SCO is not the answer.
SCO is the queston.
No (or Linux) is the answer.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8734
Could this guy be linked to SCO in some way? Funded by Microsoft?
Al Qaeda.
Ok. Doesn't matter. Nevermind.
* SMP - had it since UnixWare 1.0
* NUMA - since UnixWare 7.0
* Journaled file system - since UnixWare 1.0
* Volume Manager - Since UnixWare 2.0
Things do get a bit less clear if you look at where these things came from, the volume manager and JFS are licensed from Veritas, and the NUMA stuff seems to have been written by Sequent (who are now IBM, of course).
Watch this Heartland Institute video
This is about trade secrets.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
No.
Read the GPL sometime. SCO distribute copies of Linux themselves. If Linux somehow does include this code that SCO claims IBM stole, then they don't have a leg to stand on. SCO have already released their own code. Under the GPL.
SCO have not so much shot themselves in the foot as blown their entire lower body off with a blunderbus. Smart.
As for you. you're. You, your, you're. Learn it. Thanks for the hard line breaks, too. My browser has a hell of a time working out how to wrap a line. If you hadn't have done it for me, I'd have been lost.
I keep seeing the guys name as "McBain" It actually works quite well if you read it in a McBain voice, by the way.
On closer inspection, this does not appear to be SCO intellectual property
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
Just when I thought a company couldn't dig themselves in a deeper hole, they find another shovel.
Good job promoting innovation in the spirit of Progress!!
"The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley..." - ROBERT BURNS
Accidentally going to http://www.sco.com/ and accidentally holding shift and accidentally hitting your refresh button a few accidental times might accidentally cost someone money.
Accidents happen. Did I accidentally spell accidentally wrong?
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
/// \todo Remember to sue everyone in about 20 years (bgates)
If you put todo comments in your code, use some
parsable syntax or you'll never find them again.
Especially after 20 years when all the original
programmers might be dead.
Thanks for being my first bite :)
There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
-- David D. Friedman
He didn't make one single coherent response in the whole CRN interview. He just doesnt get it does he... It doesnt matter anymore if SCO/Caldera's IP has been violated. So what if they can prove qualitatively that SysV code is in Linux and it came from IBM. Talking about it in court just puts it into public record and makes it accessible for the (C)oders to rewrite it. Even if they win this, it would be cheaper for IBM to appeal the verdict for the next 10 years while SCO spends the last of their cash fighting the appeal.
I'm late too. Maybe you will read my reply tho :)
I suspect SCO's whole plan is just to get a little extra cash for the executives before SCO 'dies' and has a garage sale for their IP. I also sense the hand of Bill Gates here, FUDing _business_ adoption of linux. Sure, you and I will download the latest distros from the Cayman Islands or where ever, but you won't see IBM and Red Hat selling support for linux to mainstream companies that are flirting with rolling it out in places held by NT in the past.
The fear of lawsuit will kill the advance of linux into the mainstream server market. SCO has _already_ been paid in some way for undertaking this, and they may extort some more cash out of IBM on the way.
Could you imagine what the world would be like today if SCO hadn't had bought UNIX from AT&T, but instead Microsoft bid and won that purchase?
Sure - SCO sucks, the lawsuit sucks, their action will probably do much more harm than ever any good - but it COULD be worse...
PG.. Law of probable dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.
YAAT FOAD
between the greater and lesser infinities sleep the dreams undreamt
In the article, McBride talks about a "day of reckoning." That could be interpreted in any number of way. The article doesn't state anywhere that SCO is going to sue Red Hat and SuSE. SCO is a partner of SuSE's in UnitedLinux for crying out loud. Why would they choose to sue their own partner?
You people are nuckin futz. The article is about SCO suing IBM and the first freakin' comments all contain some reference to Microsoft. I love Slashdot, really, but this ongoing obsession with the evils of a rather mundanely evil corporation is in itself dogmatic and, truthfully, weird. You people all need to find girlfriends, or get hobbies or do something else besides worry about the nefarious doings of a software corporation. And this is coming from someone that uses FreeBSD on the desktop at home. Let the alternatives speak for themselves. If BSD or Linux are better then great, use them, but don't turn every damned discussion about software into an excuse to worry about WHAT MICROSOFT MIGHT DO NEXT. Jeez, people.
Chr0m0Dr0m!C
IBM should know better than to mess with Morman lawyers, or maybe not.
Will this just another quagmire like ATT Unix vs. BSD Unix?
It would seem to me that Sun's Scott McNealy is hoping this gets very ugly. Interesting to see if Sun people are called to testify, good & loyal Unix licencees that they are.
I was going to ask this to IBM, until I entered the morass of WestLaw , they don't seem to have public email in the brief time I looked.
I did find that there is a whole huge business dedicated to storing legal paperwork. This is a disk based one. There are others dedicated to physical storage.
http://www.disc-storage.com/success/dri.htm
So just how many warehouses do they use to store this stuff? Will archeologists in the future scratch their heads and wonder what all the shiney disks and disintigrating paper is?
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
If this claim is correct, then there should be no further need for discussion.
I was dubious about SCO, and this was because I assumed IBM was a bit more "with-it" then SCO was making them out to be. I figured they weren't that naive or sloppy.
Can you give me more information about where you picked that tidbit up?
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
HaHaHaHaHaHa..... SCO is so funny... I will sue the Disney. Just because I want to do it! Ditadura Verbal!
Interesting comment in the article. I was not aware that the Open Source Community was comprised solely of IBM, Redhat and SuSe. Have we forgot about NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Apache, Apple, Sleepy Cat, Mysql, PostgreSQL and the hundreds or even thousands of other opensource projects that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Linux at all?
Can you PLEASE leave your Linux Zealotry at the door when you decide to put articles on the front page. The death of Linux itself would be a fatal blow to the Linux community, not the Open Source Community, you clod.