Levep II AspeLite means somesone who wrote a utility like
http://www.aspfriends.com/search which is a front end I wrote to accompany Rob Caron's search. I wriote about 16 ASP and ASP.net Tools and designed and maintained others see http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/moderatehow.a sp is for exam[le a tool I designed AND CODED PORTIONS thereof along with Feliope Coury and Brian Bilbro and Mac. The other Elite Level IiI wrote tools to earn that rank.
I fought to get my desrving people (many of whom I am kot friendly with) MVP to improve MVP Quality in general.
Level I Members answer questions. Level2 answered and wroite tools.
Ask Benmi@microsoft.com (ASP.net MVP rep) if I was thrown out of MVPs. I was not, and have not violated ndas. I tried to quit 3 times and each time MS reps asked me to stay, and the 3rd time I decide to not take their advice and TO RESIGN!!!!
The below is 100% True
I only criticized two MS employees IN A PRIVATE LIST not a public one and some unscrupolous people forwarded it.
One of those people was quite ticked I had the gall to criticize him privately and formulate do contract perhaps because HE THOUGHT I said so publicly. A search of every message at http://www.aspfriends.com/search will not turn up me insulting a MS employee. I mostly just answer questions.
http://www.aspfriends.com/search/MSG.ASP?msgid=754 337
is my reply.
http://www.aspfriends.com/search/MSG.ASP?msgid=724 672
explains why I don't see my kids much and my time to deal with MS nonsense is limited in Dec -Feb when my kids are home (since MS promised no strings attached funding through June 2003 in Feb 2002 I didn't expect any strings or contracts and I suddenly got a Fedex contract a few days ago by surprise literally).
MS should not have promised in Feb 2002 no strings funding June 2002 - June 2003 if they were adding strings later. I could have had time to review the contract or quit before June if they sent me contracts earlier.
They did pay June 2002 - Dec 2000 without strings as per half of their Feb promise and first contract I saw was in Dec so if this contract was so vital why wasn't it presented to me prior to June? I got it Fedex a few days ago in Late Nov!
Any person who is redlines a contract written by a legal staff the size and intellect of Rdmonds and does not pay for a very good attorney to examine it is not a businessman.
I am not stupid enough to redline or sign a contract that large without paying for professional advice.
Microsoft sent this contract at a busy time of year for me and totally by surprise (I am not at home for next 2 months and am picking up my 2.5 and 4.5 year old kids in Japan and wife and spending quality time with my kids in December I have not seen for 4 months).
Normally one signs contracts to gain benefits. The $18,000 promised if that contract is signed is given to an ISP not to me (i get $0 if the contract is signed) and benefits the 70,000 people not me. I can't really sign on behalf of the 70,000 without those people hating me (the contract for example allows MS to won all emails sent to list).
So I ain't redlining a MS contract as an amateur, I WOULD HIRE A LAWYER to revise it if I wanted to stay in December. But I see much risks in signing the contract in any form a $1k to $2k lawyer bill at lest given the complexity of the contract or a $0 bill if I don't sign and just drop out and spend time with my kids instead of a lawyer.
As a businessman I don't sign contracts unless I get something, and I don't obligate 70,000 people I don't know to terms I can't disclose automatically when they join the list. I am happy to not sign it, not revise it, and get out of helping their users in December.
Atlas held the world on his shoulders. What if he shrugged and let the world fall?
The book is amazing. It would spoil the story to give you details but buy the beek and read it and I will send you a check for it to reimburse you if you don't love it.
You fedexed a contract last Thursday. The 12 month commitment you made in Feb did not mention a contract. The 12 month commitment started in June 2002 to June 2003. Do you always deliver your June 2002 contracts in mid-november 2002?
Scott Guthrie 406 posts in the forums since 6/15/2002. 16 posts in [aspngfreeforall] in whole year of 2002. Wow you and your people are really helping us thrive over here.
Rob Howard 10 posts in [aspngfreeforall] not to help but to announce 36 in [aspngcache] 733 posts in the forums since 6/8/222
Nuff said. Plus you have tons of people on the teams who NEVER POST HERE.
I don't care whether MS pays for it - their customers are affected mostly and it is one less thing for me to do each month:) I was going to close it a while ago for a varity of reasons and MS contacted me and insisted that it should stay and they wanted to support it through June of 2003 no strings attached. Then they chaed their mind.
I am 100% fine with them not supporting it and breaking their promise, and the story ends in December and I am 100% fine with that.
I just made the FAQ to let people know why it closes then. It affects 73,000 people and they deserve a true accounting as to why it closed.
I learned a lot and invented a lot of new moderation tools like Our Moderate Tool and many useful private tools that make mailing list easy to manage. I intend to launch a bunch of very low volume lists using those tool in areas in non-MS ares I love that don't have such a large audience that the server capacity has to be so high and costly.
By the way I linked to the forums to remind people where MS is emphasizing, delibrately and calculatingly. It is not to be kind to MS it is to be kind to the users that need support in some form. Many of my users don't know there are forums that MS is emphasizing in favor of our support. I will add links to P2P and Developmentor mailing lists to not forget the users that need support. The users are why I started this, and they should not be forgotten.
And a "one shot 6 month deal" won't satisfy. I just wanted people to know why I closed, and what MS thinks is better. It would take a lot for me to "put the genie back in the bottle" - they have already shown their true faces in "out competing" a site that is trying to helpthem instead of co-operating with the many support options as I do.
MS presented a Draconian contract to the high tech equivalent of a soup kitchen helping their sers and opens a competing soup kitchen and refuses and delays to mention the other soup kitchen to needy coders. I am fine walking away, but I want PEOPLE to know where they need to get help from.
Because I ain't penniless and I control the DNS/Internic records. I will keep the domain names forever and keep the story of the rise and fall there as a warning to others who build MS communities.
They can certainly do it under different domain names, but the Simpson's quote "that reeks of effort" comes to mind. They are being pretty lazy in the forums and while the code and interface are whizbang the human touch and effort is missing. Stealing it means running it and they prefer the forums not email and parallel newsgroups.
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Levep II AspeLite means somesone who wrote a utility like http://www.aspfriends.com/search which is a front end I wrote to accompany Rob Caron's search. I wriote about 16 ASP and ASP.net Tools and designed and maintained others see http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/moderatehow.a sp is for exam[le a tool I designed AND CODED PORTIONS thereof along with Feliope Coury and Brian Bilbro and Mac. The other Elite Level IiI wrote tools to earn that rank.
I fought to get my desrving people (many of whom I am kot friendly with) MVP to improve MVP Quality in general.
Level I Members answer questions. Level2 answered and wroite tools.
Ask Benmi@microsoft.com (ASP.net MVP rep) if I was thrown out of MVPs. I was not, and have not violated ndas. I tried to quit 3 times and each time MS reps asked me to stay, and the 3rd time I decide to not take their advice and TO RESIGN!!!!
The below is 100% True I only criticized two MS employees IN A PRIVATE LIST not a public one and some unscrupolous people forwarded it. One of those people was quite ticked I had the gall to criticize him privately and formulate do contract perhaps because HE THOUGHT I said so publicly. A search of every message at http://www.aspfriends.com/search will not turn up me insulting a MS employee. I mostly just answer questions.
http://www.aspfriends.com/search/MSG.ASP?msgid=754 337
is my reply.
http://www.aspfriends.com/search/MSG.ASP?msgid=724 672
explains why I don't see my kids much and my time to deal with MS nonsense is limited in Dec -Feb when my kids are home (since MS promised no strings attached funding through June 2003 in Feb 2002 I didn't expect any strings or contracts and I suddenly got a Fedex contract a few days ago by surprise literally).
MS should not have promised in Feb 2002 no strings funding June 2002 - June 2003 if they were adding strings later. I could have had time to review the contract or quit before June if they sent me contracts earlier.
They did pay June 2002 - Dec 2000 without strings as per half of their Feb promise and first contract I saw was in Dec so if this contract was so vital why wasn't it presented to me prior to June? I got it Fedex a few days ago in Late Nov!
Any person who is redlines a contract written by a legal staff the size and intellect of Rdmonds and does not pay for a very good attorney to examine it is not a businessman.
I am not stupid enough to redline or sign a contract that large without paying for professional advice.
Microsoft sent this contract at a busy time of year for me and totally by surprise (I am not at home for next 2 months and am picking up my 2.5 and 4.5 year old kids in Japan and wife and spending quality time with my kids in December I have not seen for 4 months).
Normally one signs contracts to gain benefits. The $18,000 promised if that contract is signed is given to an ISP not to me (i get $0 if the contract is signed) and benefits the 70,000 people not me. I can't really sign on behalf of the 70,000 without those people hating me (the contract for example allows MS to won all emails sent to list).
So I ain't redlining a MS contract as an amateur, I WOULD HIRE A LAWYER to revise it if I wanted to stay in December. But I see much risks in signing the contract in any form a $1k to $2k lawyer bill at lest given the complexity of the contract or a $0 bill if I don't sign and just drop out and spend time with my kids instead of a lawyer.
As a businessman I don't sign contracts unless I get something, and I don't obligate 70,000 people I don't know to terms I can't disclose automatically when they join the list. I am happy to not sign it, not revise it, and get out of helping their users in December.
I made ZERO $$$$$$ I make my money other ways. I spent several thousand on top of what MS pays the ISP for various reasons to support this community.
Justin Wong nailed this one: http://www.aspfriends.com/search/MSG.ASP?msgid=753 489
Atlas held the world on his shoulders. What if he shrugged and let the world fall? The book is amazing. It would spoil the story to give you details but buy the beek and read it and I will send you a check for it to reimburse you if you don't love it.
You fedexed a contract last Thursday. The 12 month commitment you made in Feb did not mention a contract. The 12 month commitment started in June 2002 to June 2003. Do you always deliver your June 2002 contracts in mid-november 2002?
Scott Guthrie
406 posts in the forums since 6/15/2002.
16 posts in [aspngfreeforall] in whole year of 2002. Wow you and your people are really helping us thrive over here.
Rob Howard
10 posts in [aspngfreeforall] not to help but to announce
36 in [aspngcache]
733 posts in the forums since 6/8/222
Nuff said. Plus you have tons of people on the teams who NEVER POST HERE.
I don't care whether MS pays for it - their customers are affected mostly and it is one less thing for me to do each month :) I was going to close it a while ago for a varity of reasons and MS contacted me and insisted that it should stay and they wanted to support it through June of 2003 no strings attached. Then they chaed their mind.
I am 100% fine with them not supporting it and breaking their promise, and the story ends in December and I am 100% fine with that.
I just made the FAQ to let people know why it closes then. It affects 73,000 people and they deserve a true accounting as to why it closed.
I learned a lot and invented a lot of new moderation tools like Our Moderate Tool and many useful private tools that make mailing list easy to manage. I intend to launch a bunch of very low volume lists using those tool in areas in non-MS ares I love that don't have such a large audience that the server capacity has to be so high and costly.
By the way I linked to the forums to remind people where MS is emphasizing, delibrately and calculatingly. It is not to be kind to MS it is to be kind to the users that need support in some form. Many of my users don't know there are forums that MS is emphasizing in favor of our support. I will add links to P2P and Developmentor mailing lists to not forget the users that need support. The users are why I started this, and they should not be forgotten. And a "one shot 6 month deal" won't satisfy. I just wanted people to know why I closed, and what MS thinks is better. It would take a lot for me to "put the genie back in the bottle" - they have already shown their true faces in "out competing" a site that is trying to helpthem instead of co-operating with the many support options as I do. MS presented a Draconian contract to the high tech equivalent of a soup kitchen helping their sers and opens a competing soup kitchen and refuses and delays to mention the other soup kitchen to needy coders. I am fine walking away, but I want PEOPLE to know where they need to get help from.
Because I ain't penniless and I control the DNS/Internic records. I will keep the domain names forever and keep the story of the rise and fall there as a warning to others who build MS communities.
They can certainly do it under different domain names, but the Simpson's quote "that reeks of effort" comes to mind. They are being pretty lazy in the forums and while the code and interface are whizbang the human touch and effort is missing. Stealing it means running it and they prefer the forums not email and parallel newsgroups.