Depends... The point is to port Mozzila to AmigaOS
API compatible systems, not on the Amiga hardware.
These compatibles do not necesserily run on slow
hardware:
MorphOS runs on Pegasos and soon on the Pegasos 2
(G3/600and hopefully G4/1000). This hw platform is
profitable, cause it's not OS centric, there are
several OSes for it in development.
AROS runs on almost anything, including x86 boxes.
AmigaOS4 (the official update to AOS) will run on
AmigaONE(MAI's Teron) hardware, which usually comes
with a G3/700 or G4/800.
Mozzila would be fine, running on any of these.
The Amiga, as a hardware platform is surely dead.
The OS is not dead just yet, even if development
for it is not profitable enough. It and MorphOS,
which is AmigaOS compatible, although improved
a lot, are still fun and great to work with.
I enjoy it a lot.
Well, I wouldn't call G3/G4 motherboards totally
outdated hardware. They are not on par with x86
ones, but they do the job. Even better, when the
PegasosII motherboard is launched, based on Marvell's chipset.
The G4 module they will give with it (they already
have protos) is 1-1.3GHz (they made 3 protos at
different clock rates at that range, to see what
has the best speed/price ratio and sell that).
1) Get real.
2) FORGET asm opts and ANY hardware banging HW
acceleration. The port should be a clean, MUI
using port, for anyone using 68040/60 (slow but ok), 603/604(acceptable) or G3/G4 (cool!).
Forget any of the old baggage.
Actually that is a long forgotten past, nowadays, most users have PPC accelerators, REAL graphic cards (even if they are old, like the Voodoo3), >64Mbs of RAM or even better, a new PowerPC motherboard like the Pegasos (running MorphOS, if you want AmigaOS compatability), with modern hardware like the Radeon series, etc.
Ok, then go on and use the Amiga stuff on MS
PocketPC... Amiga owners didn't use to be sheep...
You're an example of one... and a pseudojournalist
that admits that he is a Therapist whenever he
gets stuck in a corner.
With hardware indepentent I meant that they do NOT
need the Amiga chipset and can run FINE without it
(physically or emulated). In Amithlon, exec V4x.x
NEEDS the Amiga chipset and so, it emulates the
CIAA chip.
BEEP! Wrong... ExecPPC and ExecSG are coded to be
hardware independent. ExecPPC runs on Quark as any
other program, it does NOT try to access any of
the Amiga chips, emulated or not. In Amithlon,
Exec DOES that, and that's why the CIAs are
emulated. ExecSG doesn't "think" it runs on an
Amiga either, it runs on it's HAL and is totally
hardware independent, to make it run on a
different system, you change the HAL.
So, Mr Therapist... Why do you argue abou stuff
you don't know anything about?
You clearly have no knowledge about how exec
actually works... It's NOT hardware independent,
parts of the Amiga hardware are emulated on
Amithlon and exec runs on top of that.
Exec thinks that it runs on a regular 68k Amiga.
And yes, that's the truth.
*We are about to be crushed.
He means Genesi (Pegasos/MorphOS) + Hyperion
(AOS4) and Eyetech (AmigaONE) if they act as
competitors and not partners.
*Do you understand what needs to happen before this will? There is a Pegasos G4 now
He talks about the Terrasoft TeronPX G4 and
AmigaONE XE GE (the same board actually).
*And, before you think this is a "group hug" thing
He actually wants them to cooperate.
*There is no leadership or vision and we need both fast or we can forget it.
He talks about Amiga "We sell coupons to make a
living" Inc.
You're wrong here. On Amithlon exec does the low
level stuff. Exec thinks that it's actually in
an Amiga environment, as some stuff are emulated.
Exec still runs as it would run on any Amiga
computer, except that it is patched to be able to
run x86 executables.
See now? You're wrong:)
That's a reply I wrote to some person that
I believe that is interesting to read.
--
Ehm, MorphOS consists of the Quark kernel
(a micro/pico kernel mixture) on which,
the A/Box, an AmigaOS reimplementation with MANY
extensions and improvements, runs hosted. It's
VERY cleanly implemented. It's main concern is to
run PPC native applications but it includes Trance
a 68k>PPC JiT that can produce code that runs at
50%-70% of the native PPC speed (tested by users,
not some wierdo benchmark they did themselves).
But, that's not it's future, they already plan
the Q/Box, a new operating system that has nothing
to do with AmigaOS, running on the Quark kernel.
AmigaOS and PPC A/Box applications will still be
able to be run in the A/Box, in parallel, like
Classic in OSX. More information about all these
are here.
--
Feel free to reply with any questions, or flames;)
Ehm, MorphOS consists of the Quark kernel
(a micro/pico kernel mixture) on which,
the A/Box, an AmigaOS reimplementation with MANY
extensions and improvements, runs hosted. It's
VERY cleanly implemented. It's main concern is to
run PPC native applications but it includes Trance
a 68k>PPC JiT that can produce code that runs at
50%-70% of the native PPC speed (tested by users,
not some wierdo benchmark they did themselves).
But, that's not it's future, they already plan
the Q/Box, a new operating system that has nothing
to do with AmigaOS, running on the Quark kernel.
AmigaOS and PPC A/Box applications will still be
able to be run in the A/Box, in parallel, like
Classic in OSX. More information about all these
are here.
You're VERY wrong... Exec+the rest IS the A/Box.
You don't seem to know anything about MorphOS.
MorphOS is Quark>A/box right now. Exec is A/box's
kernel.
The Amiga is dead but this doesn't mean that I
don't like the AmigaOS, I LOVE it and that's why
I'm interested in MorphOS. The Amiga platform is
dead, the AmigaOS is not just yet. And MorphOS
is certainly not dead:) As long as it's fun to use
and has the stuff I need everyday, I'll use it.
If it doesn't, I already have a PC.
MacOS X...
Mach>Darwin>OSX&Classic...
See?Actually generally this is more efficient. In fact this was a design goal and one of the excellent benefits of Amithlon, that many drivers are fully native.
--
Ehm, you clearly don't know ANYTHING about MorphOS...
The drivers ARE native... The a/box has DIRECT
access to the hardware, it does not go through
the kernel.
Also Linux offers Amithlon a large scala of device drivers to take advantage of, offering people the choice between a very wide variety of hardware.
--
Also the Linux solution is MUCH slower and not
native... And it will NEVER be native...:)
Note that a Pegasos with a 600mhz 750CXe can get
the speed Amithlon gets on a nice Athlon 1.4...
See the speed difference? It's *NOT AT ALL* minor.
I can see that you're anything BUT technically
educated... Quite a few microkernel based OSes
use what you call the 2 kernel approach... Are
they Amithlon like as well? In Amithlon, you have
a FULLY working linux kernel with it's own drivers
and stuff... With MorphOS, you've got a minimal
microkernel, on which A/Box runs. All but the
VERY lowlevel drivers are in the A/Box.
You have to actually RUN something on a
microkernel to be useful, currently that's the
A/Box, in the future it will be the Q/Box.
But I forgot it... You'll just get a way by saying
that you're a therapist, not a technician...
Then DON'T say technical stuff you know nothing
about.
(BTW, anyone, feel free to correct me if I said
anything wrong about microkernels and I'll follow
my own advice:))
The Pegasos is open for any OSes. Linux already
runs on it, MacOnLinux is very fun on it:)
BSD and some other stuff are being worked on.
Theoritically, porting darwin and tweaking OSX
to run is not a problem.
MorphOS also runs on the Terrasoft/MAI TeronCX/PX
boards, Eyetech's AmigaONE(renamed TeronCX with a
different BIOS), the Pegasos and Amiga PowerUP
cards. Mac support is being looked on.
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Depends... The point is to port Mozzila to AmigaOS API compatible systems, not on the Amiga hardware. These compatibles do not necesserily run on slow hardware: MorphOS runs on Pegasos and soon on the Pegasos 2 (G3/600and hopefully G4/1000). This hw platform is profitable, cause it's not OS centric, there are several OSes for it in development. AROS runs on almost anything, including x86 boxes. AmigaOS4 (the official update to AOS) will run on AmigaONE(MAI's Teron) hardware, which usually comes with a G3/700 or G4/800. Mozzila would be fine, running on any of these.
The Amiga, as a hardware platform is surely dead. The OS is not dead just yet, even if development for it is not profitable enough. It and MorphOS, which is AmigaOS compatible, although improved a lot, are still fun and great to work with. I enjoy it a lot.
Well, I wouldn't call G3/G4 motherboards totally outdated hardware. They are not on par with x86 ones, but they do the job. Even better, when the PegasosII motherboard is launched, based on Marvell's chipset. The G4 module they will give with it (they already have protos) is 1-1.3GHz (they made 3 protos at different clock rates at that range, to see what has the best speed/price ratio and sell that).
1) Get real. 2) FORGET asm opts and ANY hardware banging HW acceleration. The port should be a clean, MUI using port, for anyone using 68040/60 (slow but ok), 603/604(acceptable) or G3/G4 (cool!). Forget any of the old baggage.
Actually that is a long forgotten past, nowadays,
most users have PPC accelerators, REAL graphic cards (even if they are old, like the Voodoo3),
>64Mbs of RAM or even better, a new PowerPC
motherboard like the Pegasos (running MorphOS,
if you want AmigaOS compatability), with modern
hardware like the Radeon series, etc.
Ok, then go on and use the Amiga stuff on MS PocketPC... Amiga owners didn't use to be sheep... You're an example of one... and a pseudojournalist that admits that he is a Therapist whenever he gets stuck in a corner.
With hardware indepentent I meant that they do NOT need the Amiga chipset and can run FINE without it (physically or emulated). In Amithlon, exec V4x.x NEEDS the Amiga chipset and so, it emulates the CIAA chip.
BEEP! Wrong... ExecPPC and ExecSG are coded to be hardware independent. ExecPPC runs on Quark as any other program, it does NOT try to access any of the Amiga chips, emulated or not. In Amithlon, Exec DOES that, and that's why the CIAs are emulated. ExecSG doesn't "think" it runs on an Amiga either, it runs on it's HAL and is totally hardware independent, to make it run on a different system, you change the HAL. So, Mr Therapist... Why do you argue abou stuff you don't know anything about?
You clearly have no knowledge about how exec actually works... It's NOT hardware independent, parts of the Amiga hardware are emulated on Amithlon and exec runs on top of that. Exec thinks that it runs on a regular 68k Amiga. And yes, that's the truth.
*We are about to be crushed. He means Genesi (Pegasos/MorphOS) + Hyperion (AOS4) and Eyetech (AmigaONE) if they act as competitors and not partners. *Do you understand what needs to happen before this will? There is a Pegasos G4 now He talks about the Terrasoft TeronPX G4 and AmigaONE XE GE (the same board actually). *And, before you think this is a "group hug" thing He actually wants them to cooperate. *There is no leadership or vision and we need both fast or we can forget it. He talks about Amiga "We sell coupons to make a living" Inc.
You're wrong here. On Amithlon exec does the low level stuff. Exec thinks that it's actually in an Amiga environment, as some stuff are emulated. Exec still runs as it would run on any Amiga computer, except that it is patched to be able to run x86 executables. See now? You're wrong:)
By knowing how it was developed and how helpful and open the core developers are, I can assure you that it's nothing like this.
That's a reply I wrote to some person that I believe that is interesting to read. -- Ehm, MorphOS consists of the Quark kernel (a micro/pico kernel mixture) on which, the A/Box, an AmigaOS reimplementation with MANY extensions and improvements, runs hosted. It's VERY cleanly implemented. It's main concern is to run PPC native applications but it includes Trance a 68k>PPC JiT that can produce code that runs at 50%-70% of the native PPC speed (tested by users, not some wierdo benchmark they did themselves). But, that's not it's future, they already plan the Q/Box, a new operating system that has nothing to do with AmigaOS, running on the Quark kernel. AmigaOS and PPC A/Box applications will still be able to be run in the A/Box, in parallel, like Classic in OSX. More information about all these are here. -- Feel free to reply with any questions, or flames;)
Ehm, MorphOS consists of the Quark kernel (a micro/pico kernel mixture) on which, the A/Box, an AmigaOS reimplementation with MANY extensions and improvements, runs hosted. It's VERY cleanly implemented. It's main concern is to run PPC native applications but it includes Trance a 68k>PPC JiT that can produce code that runs at 50%-70% of the native PPC speed (tested by users, not some wierdo benchmark they did themselves). But, that's not it's future, they already plan the Q/Box, a new operating system that has nothing to do with AmigaOS, running on the Quark kernel. AmigaOS and PPC A/Box applications will still be able to be run in the A/Box, in parallel, like Classic in OSX. More information about all these are here.
It's not exactly an average small company, take a look at the Pretory USA website. They are the mother company of Thendic (Genesi = Thendic+bPlan)
The skin in the screenshots is CERTAINLY *NOT* the default one, thank god:)
You're VERY wrong... Exec+the rest IS the A/Box. You don't seem to know anything about MorphOS. MorphOS is Quark>A/box right now. Exec is A/box's kernel.
The Amiga is dead but this doesn't mean that I don't like the AmigaOS, I LOVE it and that's why I'm interested in MorphOS. The Amiga platform is dead, the AmigaOS is not just yet. And MorphOS is certainly not dead:) As long as it's fun to use and has the stuff I need everyday, I'll use it. If it doesn't, I already have a PC.
Note, Mach3 is a microkernel, FreeBSD is not. Darwin is a mixture. The rest of the MacOSX stuff run ON the darwin kernel... Just like MorphOS.
MacOS X... Mach>Darwin>OSX&Classic... See?Actually generally this is more efficient. In fact this was a design goal and one of the excellent benefits of Amithlon, that many drivers are fully native. -- Ehm, you clearly don't know ANYTHING about MorphOS... The drivers ARE native... The a/box has DIRECT access to the hardware, it does not go through the kernel. Also Linux offers Amithlon a large scala of device drivers to take advantage of, offering people the choice between a very wide variety of hardware. -- Also the Linux solution is MUCH slower and not native... And it will NEVER be native...:) Note that a Pegasos with a 600mhz 750CXe can get the speed Amithlon gets on a nice Athlon 1.4... See the speed difference? It's *NOT AT ALL* minor.
I can see that you're anything BUT technically educated... Quite a few microkernel based OSes use what you call the 2 kernel approach... Are they Amithlon like as well? In Amithlon, you have a FULLY working linux kernel with it's own drivers and stuff... With MorphOS, you've got a minimal microkernel, on which A/Box runs. All but the VERY lowlevel drivers are in the A/Box. You have to actually RUN something on a microkernel to be useful, currently that's the A/Box, in the future it will be the Q/Box. But I forgot it... You'll just get a way by saying that you're a therapist, not a technician... Then DON'T say technical stuff you know nothing about. (BTW, anyone, feel free to correct me if I said anything wrong about microkernels and I'll follow my own advice:))
The Pegasos is open for any OSes. Linux already runs on it, MacOnLinux is very fun on it:) BSD and some other stuff are being worked on. Theoritically, porting darwin and tweaking OSX to run is not a problem.
MorphOS also runs on the Terrasoft/MAI TeronCX/PX boards, Eyetech's AmigaONE(renamed TeronCX with a different BIOS), the Pegasos and Amiga PowerUP cards. Mac support is being looked on.
RadeON drivers are in development.
Check this out.