The legal example is a neighbor climbing a tree to see over your fence, and over the curtain that protected the ground-level view. That is legal.
A drone is more like the neighbor installing a tree that wasn't there before so that they could climb it and look in your window. In fact, the drone is more like someone putting in a 12 foot stepladder so they can climb up and look in your window.
So the shooter will have to prove that the firing of his weapon was "immediately necessary" to prevent the trespass, and he would have to prove that the pilot *knew* he was trespassing.
How could he possibly NOT know that he was trespassing? As soon as his drone left his own yard he was trespassing. Is stupidity now an excuse for disobeying the law?
If a drone is hovering "in" your suburban back yard, then shooting it with a shotgun is wildly inappropriate, because you're shooting at an angle barely above the horizontal. We also have no idea if the guy's toy copter was hovering "over" his yard, or just near it. It's much more difficult than most people think to gauge a small quadcopter's actual position over objects on the ground. I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't personally operated a given machine for many, many hours who was ever correct about that sort of thing.
Well, the drone owner showed up at his house to retrieve it, so it was in the yard enough to fall in the yard when it got shot. I'm surprised the drone owner showed up. You would think he would take his lumps for his illegal spying and be thankful it only cost him a drone and not jail time.
So he should have gotten a large net that is used to catch bats, wait for the owner to show up wanting it back to get their identification? The alternative is to call the cops and say there is a drone flying over your property. By the time they get out there, would it even be there, much less would they be able to do anything about it?
The police would say "stop wasting our time. Next time just shoot it down."
deadly force should only be used to defend people, not stuff.
How come it is okay for criminals to use deadly force to take your stuff, but not okay for you to use deadly force to keep your stuff?
What about the fact that criminals will often kill you anyway even if you let them have your stuff? Do you wait until after they have killed you before shooting back?
How about everyone getting the right to retract anything embarrassing every birthday?
This is what I came here to say. Social Media sites should just allow you to retract posts at any time for any or no reason. I am not sure why so many people are so violently against something which could not possibly harm them in any way. The only thing i can think is that they are all jackbooted nazi thugs that think they have the right to know every private deal of everybody else's lives.
Speak for yourself. Anyone pushed enough fights back. When those that prefer peace (not bullies) finally lash out it is with with much greater ferocity and lack of control.
Yes, but when you fight back against a bully, you are punished by the system as an example to others. When a bully constantly picks on you, the system looks the other way, sometimes actually chanting "zero tolerance policy" while they look the other way.
Legislators: Stop pretending that you can fix all the world's ills with the sweep of a pen. Start learning what IS and ISN'T possible in the online world.
But it IS possible to delete posts off of Social Media, the sites just don't allow it.
Sure it can. It just can't support them in the manner in which they are currently deployed. Many people are born every year in places that have no food and have no ability to grow food. Unfortunately, people in those areas aren't bothered by the issue and continue to have more children.
If the entire populations of India and China perished overnight it would be a net benefit to the planet.
That depends what you mean by net benefit. India and China on the whole produce more food than they need and send food and aid to Africa. If India and China were to be wiped out, the average amount of food per person in the world would go down.
I'm sorry but when your entire facebook feed consists of anti-Obama trolling, that isn't being judgmental. That's making a conscious decision you don't want horrid people like that working at your company.
I"m not sure I follow that reasoning. Plenty of businesses, especially small businesses don't like Obama because of his efforts to drive small business out of business.
Obama's approval rating is less than 50%, so the majority of people don't care for him. Do you really think it likely that we would refuse to hire 54% of the people in the country because they don't like Obama?
The irony is that these days if you let your little darlings wander physical streets unsupervised, they'll come and arrest you and take away your children leaving them traumatized because the police hauled Mommy and Daddy off to jail and the Social Services people told the kiddies that their parents were horrible abusive creatures who deserved never to be allowed to see them again.
For doing what everyone thought was natural 20 years or so ago.
It still is natural. It's just that most people are idiots who can't keep their nose out of your business.
it's like saying gays getting married somehow hurts heterosexual marriage. and we see how well that mental diarrhea has persuaded
I don't know about hurting heterosexual marriages, but it sure hurt our dictionary. Look, even you can't just say marriage now, you have to preface it with heterosexual marriage or gay marriage. The definition of the word marriage had to be changed. That has far reaching effects. If a historical book says "Bob was married", we used to know exactly what that meant. Right now, we know what that meant. In a generation, it will be more ambiguous. We will have to rewrite tons of literature because we changed the definition of a word that has had the same definition for thousands of years.
lots of people trying programming only hurts mediocre programmers.
Lots of people trying programming has no effect on any programmers. It only hurts people who didn't want to try programming and aren't any good at it, and were more interested in pursuing a different career which they now cannot do because there are only so many electives.
meanwhile, i welcome anyone who wants to try programming and i wish them well
I can't imagine anyone here feels differently. What everybody is unhappy about is that the government wants to force people who DON'T want to try programming to do it.
I thought it was about a long-term effort to flood the job market to reduce the average programmer salary. Why should anyone pay 100k+ per year to someone who can do a job that any High Schooler can do?
Unfortunately for hiring companies, it will become like cable TV. Instead of 3 channels with somewhere between 0 and 3 interesting things to watch, we now have 400+ channels with somewhere between 0 and 3 interesting things to watch.
Companies will have to hire armies of HR personnel just to weed through all the drones to find the people out there who are actually worth hiring, which I predict to be approximately the number of people who would have gone into STEM if the government just let people pursue the career they are interested in.
Youtube makes it simple for anyone to upload videos, and 0.01% of them are worth watching. Appstores have made it easy for people who already know how to program to release programs, and 0.1% of them are worth having for free and 0.01% of them are worth having for the price charged.
Sounds great, as long as they don't have to take off or land. The huge amounts of money they will have to spend on sensitive ground radar measurement equipment will be a boon for the economy, and the constant crashing at the border of the two airspaces will make for pleasing entertainment and personal injury lawsuits.
I wonder how they handle all those cases with respect to activities such as:
1) RC model airplanes
2) Model rocketry
3) Sporting (think golf, skeet shooting, baseball)
all of which may involve objects exceeding 200 ft but below 500 feet. Whatever do the poor misunderstood helicopters do?!?
All of these have designated areas in which they can happen. So do drones, but the problem is that people have been using them outside of those confines.
So what should DICE have done to add value to the site and turn it into a money-maker?
The first thing would be to understand that slashdot is not something that needs to be turned into a moneymaker.
There was no need to add value to the site as it was already perfectly fine as far as the clientele were concerned. The only improvement would be perhaps a single readthrough of the article submission before posting it.
> this means developers must make the difficult choice between using the latest tools or risking crippling bugs such as this one.
Not so difficult. Just don't use the latest and not-so-greatest stuff.
Que 1000 "waaaaah, I wanna to use teh new shiney!!11!!" replies....
Agree. How is the choice difficult? It is a tool, it is not the code itself. It is not your project. You could write your project WITHOUT the tool entirely. It is merely the hammer that you use to pound your nails. So the latest one has been "upgraded" with a shiny new "2015" sticker. As it happens, they also removed the claws on this hammer. Your old hammer has a head AND claws, but it has a "2014" sticker on it. Guess what, I'm going with the tool that works over the new shiny.
I might be flamed for saying this, but if you can't be a software developer without "community support" like asking questions on StackOverflow, then you're not really a software developer. (Likewise, if a tool can't be used without asking questions on stackoverflow, it's the wrong tool to be using for anything serious).
I have yet to ask a question on stackoverflow, but I refer to it a lot when dealing with third party tools and libraries. The reason being that documentation is usually extremely weak. You can usually find a reference to the methods, but to understand when you might want to use one or another is not really explained. it is helpful to find an example of someone who has used it. Then, you have to figure out what the latest hipster way to instantiate an object is since apparently constructors aren't cool anymore, and the best practice for instancing changes from week to week and the documentation is sometimes not updated to reflect that, it just has a constructor. Of course, examples are always point in time, and nobody ever goes back to edit those, so a lot of the time, you at least get deprecated warnings in example code, if not just outright failure because methods have gone away or signatures changed.
In other words, the same community that complains about MS constantly fixing what ain't broke, is constantly fixing what ain't broke.
The folks I feel sorry for are the students - Win 10 is released Friday, all the new computers being bought for Fall term starting will have it, students taking programming courses will often be stuck with the newest of the new since the instructor adopted (or wrote) the latest text book,
That certainly wasn't the case when I was in school. They were years behind on versions of programming languages. As for IDEs, there weren't any in use. I used vi for my programming assignments. Borland C++ was available, but only on Windows, and the University mostly had Sun and SGI workstations.
On the whole, though, I think it worked out better, because I got an understanding of working with libraries and linking that would enable me to understand how to get something to work if it didn't work automatically in an IDE.
This sounds like an organized, well thought out network. It's a shame that they are only getting $20 a pop. If they were to use their powers for Good instead of Evil, they could probably be making many times more money.
The thing that pisses me off about theft is that the thief only gets away with $5, but the damage they cause is $500. When they steal 40 cents worth of copper from your AC, you now have to buy a new $5,000 AC. When they steal your identity for $20, they ruin your credit for the rest of your life and reduce you to begging on the street. I guess you could steal, too, in order to get by, but most people's ethics wouldn't allow them to do that, even if they are destitute. Human beings don't steal.
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That is exactly clear view.
The legal example is a neighbor climbing a tree to see over your fence, and over the curtain that protected the ground-level view. That is legal.
A drone is more like the neighbor installing a tree that wasn't there before so that they could climb it and look in your window. In fact, the drone is more like someone putting in a 12 foot stepladder so they can climb up and look in your window.
So the shooter will have to prove that the firing of his weapon was "immediately necessary" to prevent the trespass, and he would have to prove that the pilot *knew* he was trespassing.
How could he possibly NOT know that he was trespassing? As soon as his drone left his own yard he was trespassing. Is stupidity now an excuse for disobeying the law?
If a drone is hovering "in" your suburban back yard, then shooting it with a shotgun is wildly inappropriate, because you're shooting at an angle barely above the horizontal. We also have no idea if the guy's toy copter was hovering "over" his yard, or just near it. It's much more difficult than most people think to gauge a small quadcopter's actual position over objects on the ground. I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't personally operated a given machine for many, many hours who was ever correct about that sort of thing.
Well, the drone owner showed up at his house to retrieve it, so it was in the yard enough to fall in the yard when it got shot. I'm surprised the drone owner showed up. You would think he would take his lumps for his illegal spying and be thankful it only cost him a drone and not jail time.
So he should have gotten a large net that is used to catch bats, wait for the owner to show up wanting it back to get their identification? The alternative is to call the cops and say there is a drone flying over your property. By the time they get out there, would it even be there, much less would they be able to do anything about it?
The police would say "stop wasting our time. Next time just shoot it down."
deadly force should only be used to defend people, not stuff.
How come it is okay for criminals to use deadly force to take your stuff, but not okay for you to use deadly force to keep your stuff?
What about the fact that criminals will often kill you anyway even if you let them have your stuff? Do you wait until after they have killed you before shooting back?
How about everyone getting the right to retract anything embarrassing every birthday?
This is what I came here to say. Social Media sites should just allow you to retract posts at any time for any or no reason. I am not sure why so many people are so violently against something which could not possibly harm them in any way. The only thing i can think is that they are all jackbooted nazi thugs that think they have the right to know every private deal of everybody else's lives.
Speak for yourself. Anyone pushed enough fights back. When those that prefer peace (not bullies) finally lash out it is with with much greater ferocity and lack of control.
Yes, but when you fight back against a bully, you are punished by the system as an example to others. When a bully constantly picks on you, the system looks the other way, sometimes actually chanting "zero tolerance policy" while they look the other way.
Yay. The right to be as big an ass as you want before you turn 18, because there's no repercussion.
Yes, just like people did before the internet. Oh, wait, no, they didn't.
Legislators: Stop pretending that you can fix all the world's ills with the sweep of a pen. Start learning what IS and ISN'T possible in the online world.
But it IS possible to delete posts off of Social Media, the sites just don't allow it.
Life does not have a reset button.
But Social Media could. Why shouldn't we let it have a reset button just because life doesn't?
The planet cannot support 7 billion humans
Sure it can. It just can't support them in the manner in which they are currently deployed. Many people are born every year in places that have no food and have no ability to grow food. Unfortunately, people in those areas aren't bothered by the issue and continue to have more children.
If the entire populations of India and China perished overnight it would be a net benefit to the planet.
That depends what you mean by net benefit. India and China on the whole produce more food than they need and send food and aid to Africa. If India and China were to be wiped out, the average amount of food per person in the world would go down.
I'm sorry but when your entire facebook feed consists of anti-Obama trolling, that isn't being judgmental. That's making a conscious decision you don't want horrid people like that working at your company.
I"m not sure I follow that reasoning. Plenty of businesses, especially small businesses don't like Obama because of his efforts to drive small business out of business.
Obama's approval rating is less than 50%, so the majority of people don't care for him. Do you really think it likely that we would refuse to hire 54% of the people in the country because they don't like Obama?
The irony is that these days if you let your little darlings wander physical streets unsupervised, they'll come and arrest you and take away your children leaving them traumatized because the police hauled Mommy and Daddy off to jail and the Social Services people told the kiddies that their parents were horrible abusive creatures who deserved never to be allowed to see them again.
For doing what everyone thought was natural 20 years or so ago.
It still is natural. It's just that most people are idiots who can't keep their nose out of your business.
what the fuck are you talking about? where do you morons come from?
From slashdot, of course, where just yesterday we had this article in which the government has made computer science a core class.
it's like saying gays getting married somehow hurts heterosexual marriage. and we see how well that mental diarrhea has persuaded
I don't know about hurting heterosexual marriages, but it sure hurt our dictionary. Look, even you can't just say marriage now, you have to preface it with heterosexual marriage or gay marriage. The definition of the word marriage had to be changed. That has far reaching effects. If a historical book says "Bob was married", we used to know exactly what that meant. Right now, we know what that meant. In a generation, it will be more ambiguous. We will have to rewrite tons of literature because we changed the definition of a word that has had the same definition for thousands of years.
lots of people trying programming only hurts mediocre programmers.
Lots of people trying programming has no effect on any programmers. It only hurts people who didn't want to try programming and aren't any good at it, and were more interested in pursuing a different career which they now cannot do because there are only so many electives.
meanwhile, i welcome anyone who wants to try programming and i wish them well
I can't imagine anyone here feels differently. What everybody is unhappy about is that the government wants to force people who DON'T want to try programming to do it.
I thought it was about a long-term effort to flood the job market to reduce the average programmer salary. Why should anyone pay 100k+ per year to someone who can do a job that any High Schooler can do?
Unfortunately for hiring companies, it will become like cable TV. Instead of 3 channels with somewhere between 0 and 3 interesting things to watch, we now have 400+ channels with somewhere between 0 and 3 interesting things to watch.
Companies will have to hire armies of HR personnel just to weed through all the drones to find the people out there who are actually worth hiring, which I predict to be approximately the number of people who would have gone into STEM if the government just let people pursue the career they are interested in.
Youtube makes it simple for anyone to upload videos, and 0.01% of them are worth watching. Appstores have made it easy for people who already know how to program to release programs, and 0.1% of them are worth having for free and 0.01% of them are worth having for the price charged.
Sounds great, as long as they don't have to take off or land. The huge amounts of money they will have to spend on sensitive ground radar measurement equipment will be a boon for the economy, and the constant crashing at the border of the two airspaces will make for pleasing entertainment and personal injury lawsuits.
I wonder how they handle all those cases with respect to activities such as:
1) RC model airplanes 2) Model rocketry 3) Sporting (think golf, skeet shooting, baseball)
all of which may involve objects exceeding 200 ft but below 500 feet. Whatever do the poor misunderstood helicopters do?!?
All of these have designated areas in which they can happen. So do drones, but the problem is that people have been using them outside of those confines.
So what should DICE have done to add value to the site and turn it into a money-maker?
The first thing would be to understand that slashdot is not something that needs to be turned into a moneymaker.
There was no need to add value to the site as it was already perfectly fine as far as the clientele were concerned. The only improvement would be perhaps a single readthrough of the article submission before posting it.
> this means developers must make the difficult choice between using the latest tools or risking crippling bugs such as this one.
Not so difficult. Just don't use the latest and not-so-greatest stuff.
Que 1000 "waaaaah, I wanna to use teh new shiney!!11!!" replies....
Agree. How is the choice difficult? It is a tool, it is not the code itself. It is not your project. You could write your project WITHOUT the tool entirely. It is merely the hammer that you use to pound your nails. So the latest one has been "upgraded" with a shiny new "2015" sticker. As it happens, they also removed the claws on this hammer. Your old hammer has a head AND claws, but it has a "2014" sticker on it. Guess what, I'm going with the tool that works over the new shiny.
I might be flamed for saying this, but if you can't be a software developer without "community support" like asking questions on StackOverflow, then you're not really a software developer. (Likewise, if a tool can't be used without asking questions on stackoverflow, it's the wrong tool to be using for anything serious).
I have yet to ask a question on stackoverflow, but I refer to it a lot when dealing with third party tools and libraries. The reason being that documentation is usually extremely weak. You can usually find a reference to the methods, but to understand when you might want to use one or another is not really explained. it is helpful to find an example of someone who has used it. Then, you have to figure out what the latest hipster way to instantiate an object is since apparently constructors aren't cool anymore, and the best practice for instancing changes from week to week and the documentation is sometimes not updated to reflect that, it just has a constructor. Of course, examples are always point in time, and nobody ever goes back to edit those, so a lot of the time, you at least get deprecated warnings in example code, if not just outright failure because methods have gone away or signatures changed.
In other words, the same community that complains about MS constantly fixing what ain't broke, is constantly fixing what ain't broke.
This is just lousy QA.
And who is to blame for lousy QA? You are, the person to whom Microsoft has outsourced their QA.
The folks I feel sorry for are the students - Win 10 is released Friday, all the new computers being bought for Fall term starting will have it, students taking programming courses will often be stuck with the newest of the new since the instructor adopted (or wrote) the latest text book,
That certainly wasn't the case when I was in school. They were years behind on versions of programming languages. As for IDEs, there weren't any in use. I used vi for my programming assignments. Borland C++ was available, but only on Windows, and the University mostly had Sun and SGI workstations.
On the whole, though, I think it worked out better, because I got an understanding of working with libraries and linking that would enable me to understand how to get something to work if it didn't work automatically in an IDE.
This sounds like an organized, well thought out network. It's a shame that they are only getting $20 a pop. If they were to use their powers for Good instead of Evil, they could probably be making many times more money.
The thing that pisses me off about theft is that the thief only gets away with $5, but the damage they cause is $500. When they steal 40 cents worth of copper from your AC, you now have to buy a new $5,000 AC. When they steal your identity for $20, they ruin your credit for the rest of your life and reduce you to begging on the street. I guess you could steal, too, in order to get by, but most people's ethics wouldn't allow them to do that, even if they are destitute. Human beings don't steal.