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DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media

An anonymous reader writes: DHI Group Inc. (formerly known as Dice Holdings Inc.) announced plans to sell Slashdot Media (slashdot.org & sourceforge.net) in their Q2 financial report. This is being reported by multiple sources. Editor's note: Yep, looks like we're being sold again. We'll keep you folks updated, but for now I don't have any more information than is contained in the press release. Business as usual until we find a buyer (and hopefully after). The company prepared a statement for our blog as well — feel free to discuss the news here, there, or in both places.

552 comments

  1. Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Apharmd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stay tuned!

    1. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bennett Haselton could always buy it.

    2. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Funny

      The cure is worse than the disease!

    3. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Don't even joke about such things...

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    4. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be StartsWithABang... Err, I mean, medium.com.

      --sf

    5. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not Slytherin ... Not Slytherin ... Not Slytherin ...

    6. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LNUX anyone?

    7. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Deadstick · · Score: 1
    8. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by schneidafunk · · Score: 0

      Watch Fox News buy it and bring back myspace.

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    9. Re: Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zombie Hitler has money to burn, I hear.

    10. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      One can only hope that things will get better.

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    11. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, it could just merge with Hot Hardware or Technology Trends.

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    12. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Nimloth · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear Donald Trump is interested as well.

    13. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by JazzLad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can we buy it with funding via kickstarter? How much do we need to raise?

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    14. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Donkey_Hotey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure it could. HuffPoo, anybody?

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    15. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill Gates.

      Replaces the front page of /. with a picture of him naked, rolling in money, pointing at you and laughing.

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    16. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Watch Fox News buy it and bring back myspace."

      Worse, Slate could buy it, trying out a succession of new commenting systems that don't work properly. At the end the first year, we'll be wishing we had Beta back.

    17. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by will_die · · Score: 5, Funny

      Adobe wants to purchase it and make it the showpiece for flash.

    18. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by binarylarry · · Score: 2

      I hear Oracle is interested in the IP....

      Stay tuned, gang!

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    19. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      We could all contribute to a kickstarter or go fund me to buy Slashdot. How cool would it be if we all owned Slashdot.

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    20. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Quote from earlier thread that did not get greenlit:

      I would tender a realistic offer if such were possible, It would be nice to have it in user control mode again. All staff would be fired immediately and the place would be run on a volunteer basis. Income (after paying back the purchase price) would go solely to the updating of the site. I would work on automating listings based on the firehose as the default with moderators being able to change that. I would get rid of the silly post limit. Any income left over would be donated to a worthy cause that we decided on.

      Give me an idea of what they think the site is worth and I will contact my lawyer and give a return bid. I will need to see a list of assets, assumed values, projections, and current and historical trends. I may need more data.

      Alternatively, we create a board and kickstart this.

      I should clarify that only editorial staff would be let go though I do think much of the administration overhead could easily be done by volunteers and probably *would* be done by volunteers.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    21. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      I'd chip in $5 to the kickstarter (which, granted, isn't much, but on my budget it's a decent commitment).

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    22. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      iSlash!

    23. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stay tuned!

      Yay! It will either get better, or finally die.

      Honestly, I'd rather see it die than muddle along like this. And, it could be great again!

      I see it as win-win. I'll either come here more, like I used to, or less, like I should already.

    24. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Holi · · Score: 2

      That would solve my slashdot habit. I ban flash on my network

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    25. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      One of the spin-off anti-beta sites raised a thousand buckeroonies, we're such big spenders, sure, sure, we can fund it... or at least, we might be able to fund one nostalgic slashvertisement.

    26. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was the `80s Bill. I think he has actual hobbies now, like fighting malaria and ruining education.

    27. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      VerticalScope

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    28. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Sure. Buzzfeed, Gawker Media, or the worst of all, Answers.com.

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    29. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hell yeah. There is nothing wrong with that amount because it is, perhaps, even more than you *should* be paying.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    30. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Or it could become a Kinja blog under the Gawker umbrella. *shudder*

      I honestly think giving it as a present to moot would be better than that.
      http://boards.4chan.org/v/
      http://boards.4chan.org/b/
      http://boards.4chan.org/\./

    31. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      I gave $0 to the spinoffs, but if a tech non-profit asked for donations to buy it, I'd chip in for that - they aren't really the same thing.

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    32. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I should clarify that only editorial staff would be let go

      If you're not going to shoot the UX team then count me out.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    33. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      Marissa Mayer called, she's offering 1 million, umm I mean 1 BILLION dollars.

    34. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I think that is just drunk/dumb admins doing what they are told and that they probably do not have a UX team. (They might, if they do they suck.) Those responsible will be sacked where possible and prevented from touching UX code in the future.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    35. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by TrimTabTim · · Score: 0

      Good point. God i dislike that StartsWithABang dude and his medium blog. I should hope new overlords do a better job of stopping blog posts from being represented as news. It is not generally speaking a newsworthy event if a blogger wrote another blog post. And I say that as a total fan of all things space and astronomy. I might even have liked that dude's blog if he weren’t spamming us every time he wrote another post.....

      And to the new buyers I say this: Fuck Beta.

    36. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2

      All comments displayed as embedded PDFs.

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    37. Re: Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Well I wish a Merry Fuck Beta to Bennett, a Merry Fuck Beta to you, and a Merry Fuck Beta to all!

    38. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Ruining education" is accurate, but "fighting malaria" is not -- he's more into "reducing populations through forced vaccination."

    39. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Any more improvements like the last ones*cough beta cough* and we're done for.

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    40. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Flashdot?

    41. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the UX team that forced Beta on us generated this site. They were trying to consolidate or synergize their web crap to make it easier for them to maintain. Of course, the obvious (to us) drawback is that it made /. look and act like one of their cookie-cutter websites.

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    42. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Lil'wombat · · Score: 2

      Slashdot UI Team- First against the wall when the revolution comes

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    43. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Slate bought it we'd get even more SJW and global warming nonsense than we already do.

    44. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Could be worse: SCO could still have some money left, and...

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    45. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a great idea.

    46. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they can, but the low quality of the community will continue to be a problem even with good management. It's hard to attract smart people to a paranoia-blog. They should probably either pull the plug, or go with the Glenn Beck business model and start fleecing the rubes that congregate here with gold, guns, and seeds.

    47. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Bring Back Cowboy Neal!!!!!!

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    48. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Oh, sure, I'm just saying it would be funny. Revenge for all the epithets /.ers have hurled at him from this site. Not nearly so many since he retired, but you remember what it was like in the late 90s and early 2000s.

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    49. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Yay! It will either get better, or finally die.

      That is NOT the only option. It could get worse AND stick around for a very long time.

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    50. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      You monster.

    51. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Yes! And then each time you got a reply, it would send you a helpful email. But you would have to then click on a link to download the reply, rather than it being displayed directly in the email :-p

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    52. Re: Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you know how vaccines work.

    53. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by ponraul · · Score: 1

      DICE could sell it to Vice.

    54. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      I hope CmdrTaco buys it back for $250. God damn would that be funny.

    55. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      or the worst of all, Answers.com.

      *horrified shudder*

    56. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Megane · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't underestimate them. They could make it impossible for the enemy to shoot, possibly bringing the whole city down for maintenance. Or just change things around that the enemy gets lost.

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    57. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Slytherin ... Not Slytherin ... Not Slytherin ...

      And certainly not Ravenclaw...
      Given the color scheme, maybe Slytherin, but heritage of slash-code and beta, I doubt it...

      On the other hand, there's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin.

    58. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Well... I guess that they could get bought out by someone like Microsoft or Oracle.

      If you think that the stealth sponsored Dice posts are annoying now, just wait for the "10 reasons why you should upgrade to ProductX today! Number 7 will SHOCK you!" type product promo posts.

    59. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      There no moron like an anti-vax moron, taking stupid to a new level.

    60. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Shoten · · Score: 1

      Can we buy it with funding via kickstarter? How much do we need to raise?

      Whatever the sum...if you can start a rumor that Bennett Haselton is a viable competing bidder for the site you'll hit the needed Kickstarter goal in no time.

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    61. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo! does need more irrelevant properties to add to itself.

    62. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Bill_Mische · · Score: 1

      Go the whole hog, call CdrTaco & Hemos and get the band back together...

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    63. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Slashdot sold to EvilTroll for $10 million, whose vision for the site is to replace every page on the entire website with a GoatSe picture.

      Or some popup ads and possibly some Adware/Spyware and fakeAV popups/links.

    64. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If he really wanted to torture us, he'd buy it and have Balmer help him rewrite the moderation system.

    65. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Bill Gates purchased Slashdot, wouldn't the logo be the classic "Gates as Borg" with the caption "You have been assimilated"?

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    66. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      If he really wanted to torture us, he'd buy it and have Balmer help him rewrite the moderation system.

      "Ugh. That post is horrible. I'm going to down-mod it." *clicks THROW CHAIR link*

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    67. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is NOT the only option. It could get worse AND stick around for a very long time.

      Slashdot's my mother-in-law?

    68. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Resistance was futile!

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    69. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      How about bring them back and crowd fund a slashdot commentators buyout. We know the goal is to get maximum value by pretending the purchaser will be able to control commentating and moderation to turn it into a propaganda channel but we also know that fails every single time they try it.

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    70. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Infections for everyone!

    71. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never seen Bennett Haselton and Donald Trump in the same room at the same time...

    72. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Probably more than the site is worth from an advertisers' point of view.

      What do you get with the site? Basically, a lot of eyeballs. That's it. You can use it as an ad platform or as a platform to get your information out.

      That in turn only is something you benefit from if you have something to offer that will not IMMEDIATELY be ripped apart by tech-savvy people, along with people who pretend to be tech-savvy but are essentially just here to run their mouth without any measurable knowledge in the subject. You have a crowd here that is rather toxic to anything even remotely "big business" or corporate. Anything that comes out of management or C-Level is by default regarded with suspicion or outright hostility, and any legal changes are at the very least met with the same sentiments.

      You can't even do the FOX bit and drone on the same political agenda with the option to reinforce and resonate the agenda you wish to push, for this the audience is far too diverse, ranging in the political spectrum from the far right to the far left.

      This all makes it a great place for a discussion and to get input from various opinions and stances, but it' horrible from a corporate point of view. Corporations want consent about their agenda. They don't want you to question it.

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    73. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I hear Ellen Pao needs a new job, maybe she could form a VC firm and buy it. Improve Slashdot like she did with Reddit.

      Or how about Gawker? They could post stories from their other sites like Jezebel and Lifehacker. Replace the video section with re-runs of Tropes vs. Women, since they don't have one of their own.

      Ooh, what about Buzzfeed? Those guys and gals are pretty hip.

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    74. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Does this mean Nervals Lobster can fuck off and stop spamming us about certification?

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    75. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Slashvista?

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    76. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno -- the high concentration of 'smart' oddballs here may make Slashdot a good fit for Ravenclaw.

    77. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      iSlash!

      The new Viking Broadsword from Apple!

      If it doesn't make the cut... you're holding it wrong

    78. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BuzzFeed?

      You must wait a little bit (2 minutes) before using this resource; please try again later.

    79. Re: Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by LordNightwalker · · Score: 1

      Nice :-P

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    80. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the "Approve"/UpVote/UpVoat button when we need it? This was BRILLIANT.

    81. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then shut down because they don't see the value in it.

      In this case, it would be a mercy killing.

    82. Re:Can the new buyer be worse than DICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every day feminist Friday!!

  2. Thank Fucking Christ by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    That's all I've got to say about that.

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  3. Is it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    April Fools? I think their calendar is off...

    --sf

  4. Guess they couldn't make any money ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    ... time to find another sucker ^H^H^^H buyer ...

  5. Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Kunedog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For me, the three* agendas of this /. regime that best demonstrate how out-of-touch it's been with the users (if not outright saying "fuck you" to them) are:

    1. ramrodding of Beta down everyone's throats
    2. shameful attempt to ignore Gamergate (still not a single article on /. covering the journalism scandal, when there should have been at least one for each of a dozen or so events/milestones), and later (after the cover-up and news blackout didn't work) joining the campaign to intimidate and libel those who spoke out against the corruption
    3. constant stories about women being less represented in STEM vs. the general population, with analysis of the cause always limited to accusations of sexism (and devoid of analysis of innate female preferences, or corporate agendas designed to inflate the workforce)
    * Honorable mention for Bennett Haselton

    The Company, however, has not successfully leveraged the Slashdot user base to further Dice's digital recruitment business

    I, for one, am damn proud you were also unable to "leverage" the user base against Gamergate in order to protect corrupt journalists and fall in line with rest of the colluding outlets who tried to cover up the scandal and smear the dissenters (fuck knows why you thought it was a good idea to try). Countless other forums outright banned pro-GG discussion, and Slashdot's long history of user moderation and fierce opposition to censorship must have been a much-needed thorn in your side.

    1. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by halivar · · Score: 1

      Bennett Haselton and Nerval's Lobster.

    2. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They say why in the press release:

      The reason for this decision is that the Slashdot Media business no longer aligns with the broader DHI strategy, which has been refined to focus on providing digital recruitment tools and services to connect employers and recruiters with talent in multiple professional communities.

      Their slashvertisements were not working.

    3. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fuck your gamergate. Nobody even knows what it's about except for a bunch of people trying to make it more mainstream than it is. It's not important. It doesn't affect actual (pro e-sport or casual) gamers. It's nothing, and it's NOT worthy of news.

    4. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 0, Troll

      A bug-eyed screed justifying misogyny. Thanks for sharing.

    5. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty much. The quality of articles seems to have gone down significantly, with a very strong bias towards pushing "synergy" with the rest of Dice. They weren't even subtle about it, either. Add to that the whole clusterfuck debacle with them trying to push Beta...

    6. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Hadlock · · Score: 0

      2. Nope not even going to touch this, go home. Adults have better things to do with their time.

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    7. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought, i don't know, well-adjusted adults posted on here.
      take your gamergate rubbish and go.

    8. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by LaurenCates · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who ends up on the side of the pro-GG side of the argument more often than not, I can't imagine that Gamergate is all that important to anyone that far removed from either the people directly affected or anyone willing to jump in and be a part of it.

      In fact, the reason I ended up doing any research on the matter at all is because another site I frequent tends to use terms like "Gamergater" as a derogatory term without any context as a reminder that we're supposed to think of that guy as bad (much the same way that "MRA" is used and misused) and thus disregard any opinions that the accused has for fear of catching the plague.

      So I researched it. I had to do more work than I wanted to, really, particularly in proportion to how big it is. And it's not big. It's a teeny-tiny little world that to escape, all I have to do is browse away from any site talking about it and it's gone from my sight.

      Point being, I'm actually quite glad that Slashdot didn't add Gamergate to the stinking, festering pile of identity politics it already took upon itself to be responsible for.

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    9. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      I love how quickly after you mentioned GG that there's so many posts bashing you on it. As of this writing I even see a post telling you to stfu and grow a sack getting insightful mods

      And we're told that it's the pro-GG side that has a secret cabal of misogynists going around down modding and shit posting. Clearly that's how you got your insightful mods, you dirty misogynist woman hater you.

    10. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. The complaints about beta I felt were misplaced. They shouldn't have made the beta default for anyone (and perhaps they should have refined it just a little more first...) but I think Slashdotters seriously overreacted to what was an easy to opt-out of test of a new UI. (And frankly, with D1 broken - thanks Pudge - and D2 horrible, I was looking forward to someone doing something about the /. UI.)

      2. I'm pretty sure that if they'd covered GamerGate in depth, you'd - based upon what you've written here - been so unhappy you'd never have come back.

      3. I go the other way - there was a failure to ensure discussions wouldn't be derailed by trolls and anti-diversity fanatics, especially in the aftermath of a somewhat extreme anti-diversity campaign in one corner of tech. Slashdot's articles were of interest to some of us, unfortunately the massive wave of abusive moderation and anti-diversity crapflooders meant we couldn't have an adult discussion about the issues.

      Where we agree however is that, much as I'm reluctant to attack anyone by name, the types of articles that were posted by Haselton were never right for Slashdot.

      Haselton wasn't even the first time they did this. Real Slashdotters remember a guy called Jon Katz who Malda brought in largely to introduce original commentary - just like Haselton. It was a disaster. Slashdotters became increasingly annoyed by the posts, just as with Haselton.

      Why did Slashdot do it again? No idea. I'm guessing they thought it might be worth a try again, perhaps thinking it was Katz, not this kind of commentary, people disliked.

      As an aside, when I used to blog more actively, people (nobody working for Slashdot I might add) asked me if I should offer to write similar pieces for Slashdot et al. Leaving aside my appalling writing skills, this is why...

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    11. Re: Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, are you guys still trying to dig up dirt on a chronically ill woman because her husband made jokes about you on the Internet? Super classy move, it's a total mystery why the only other community to embrace you was Stormfront.

    12. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because ethics in journalism is misogyny. Thanks for that revelation sock-puppet!

    13. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure they're bots, at this point. Wouldn't be hard to script. Search for any top-level post that mentions "gamergate," and reply with vulgarity. Second-level posts can safely be ignored, since they're probably legitimate users replying with vulgarity. Third-level posts are probably defensive, so reply with return salvos. Rinse/repeat, and you have your gamergate bot.

    14. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody even knows what it's about except for a bunch of people trying to make it more mainstream than it

      Like the fucking mainstream press? If the mainstream press wouldn't continue to keep gamedropping and featuring the con artists involved, gamergate would have disappeared last year. But it continues to draw the clicks, so it keeps showing up in just about every story having to do with video games. Which is just fine, because the longer it goes on, the more people are red pilled and SJW's and their press lackeys continue to lose their grip on The Narrative, kek.

    15. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Wow. Could you not be more wrong.

      1. Bound to happen. Old slashdot was a dinosaur. Updates happen. Interfaces become more modern, for better or worse. Get over it.

      2. Gamergate was ignored because gamergate is not news. It's especially not news for nerds. Its a howling circlejerk for basement dwelling antisocial fuckwits who are too dysfunctional to talk to women and express their frustration in online misogyny. Nothing notable happened. Your rights were not impinged. Claiming otherwise is a good way to make sure everyone knows exactly what kind of toxic loser you are, and will thus get you ignored.

      3. Sexism is real. (See number 2) And STEM is a hot topic right now.

      Nobody has an agenda against your toxic antisocial "gamer culture" or your impotent manhood. Get over it. (I've been a 'gamer' since the 2600 was new. I can tell you a thing or two about 'gamer' culture. The screaming man-babies that clustered around whatever-gate are not 'gamers' and never will be)

      There are reasons to be annoyed with Dice's ownership of slashdot. How they tried to turn it in to a generic soapbox to peddle their boring products, and turn it in to a clickbait shitfest like anything gawker media runs. Or how they completely fucking destroyed sourceforge, once THE nexus of opensource software development. Now just another shitty download site that tries to push malware on to your computer.

      Get your priorities in order son.

    16. Re: Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the simplest solution - that a bunch of SJW's created shitposting bots to scour various fora for any mention of gamergate - is usually the correct one. You're very smart!

    17. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who cares about gamers? its time they moved out of moms womb^H^H^H^Hbasement and became a contributing part of society.

    18. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have I been reading a different Slashdot for the past year? This site was about the only one that kept reminding me once a week that this whole GamerGate thing had ever happened, it was coming up about once a week in one way or another. This and Cracked, though they were running actual articles but it was for the most part SJW BS on their end.

      The rest of the Internet forgot about GG before it's 15 minutes were even up.

    19. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adults try not to contradict themselves when they are wasting their time like you have just done.

      BTW, pro-tip adults know that /. is a waste of time.

    20. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      -1 Disagree. You're on here all the time, AC!

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    21. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. The complaints about beta I felt were misplaced. They shouldn't have made the beta default for anyone (and perhaps they should have refined it just a little more first...) but I think Slashdotters seriously overreacted to what was an easy to opt-out of test of a new UI. (And frankly, with D1 broken - thanks Pudge - and D2 horrible, I was looking forward to someone doing something about the /. UI.)

      I agree with you on #2 and #3 but disagree on the issue of Slashdot Beta. Slashdot beta was part of an industrywide UX antipattern. It goes something like this.

      1) You have a functional site or application and a large userbase.
      2) You hire some UXtards whose job it is to change things for change's sake.
      3) The UXtards implement changes like those involved in Digg v3. GNOME 3. Firefox 4-without-the-status bar through Australis inclusive. Windows 8. Google Maps. And, of course, Slashdot beta.
      4) The users revolt.
      5) The devs' jobs depend on constantly learning new frameworks/tech and polishing up their resumes for their next job. The UXtard's job depends on implementing "the vision." The UX manager's career relies on not having the UX redesign project fail. The CEO's career depends on monetization, and he/she is told by the CTO and VPs of engineering that the UX redesign is part and parcel of this. Everywhere along the chain of command, somebody's personal career goals are in direct conflict with the overwhelming negative user feedback.
      6) Everyone in the chain of command issues patronizing puff pieces and blog posts with verbiage like "we're making it better for you!" which are intended to placate the userbase, but which only anger it more, because the users aren't that stupid.
      7) The user feedback is ignored, pageviews/clicks/marketshare, and revenue, plummets.
      8) Nobody gets fired, because everybody was just doing their jobs / covering their asses. Devs implemented the UX team's spec and got to play with cool tech. UX team got buy-in from marketing. Marketing had orders from C-suite. C-suite wanted to monetize. Everybody gets their paycheck, even if all they accomplished was ruining the underlying asset.

      It has happened over and over and over again, and seems to be the hallmark of this decade in tech: take a working project, rip out everything useful in order to make it "cleaner" or "simpler," ignore overwhelming feedback until long after the damage to the asset or brand is permanent, pretend nothing was ever wrong in the first place, liquidate.

    22. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its so unimportant virtually every mainstream press site has had an article about it and they continue to write about it to this day. GG has had an SVU episode written about it. GG has had the FBI investigate it. GG has college academics creating studies and writing papers about it. GG has been the subject of congressional testimony. A bill is being submitted with GG in mind. Some people are making a fuckload of money off of the notoriety of GG (you think /. gives to shits about Brianna Wu? They just wanted the clicks). GG is here, get used to it.

    23. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your response to the accusation that this site ignores Gamergate coverage is that Gamergate is irrelevant because no one knows about it? ... because the news site refuses to cover it?

    24. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Hadlock · · Score: 0

      You need to find a new hobby, dude. Like, take up kites or something.

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    25. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I looked at "gamergate" for about 2 minutes and realized it's a tempest in a teapot. One thing that bothers me about your post though is the phrase, "anti-diversity fanatics". After the last 10 to 15 years of the constant "diversity is good" bullshit drumbeat, it's apparent where the fanaticism truly is.

    26. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can be a anti-diversity non-fanatic if you don't the need to try to shut down all discussion of the subject...

    27. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      The suppression of the malware on Sourceforge story?

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    28. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by fightinfilipino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      that's because Gamergate wasn't about ethics in game journalism, hilarious memes be damned. it was PRECISELY about white men continuing to be gatekeepers against gaming opening up to other people, including women. in sum, get your paranoid persecution complex out of here.

    29. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Jodka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reason for this decision is that the Slashdot Media business no longer aligns with the broader DHI strategy, which has been refined to focus on providing digital recruitment tools and services to connect employers and recruiters with talent in multiple professional communities.

      What that means in plain English is that DHI thought they could use this place as a jobs board until they noticed that companies want to hire productive employees who do actual work instead of wasting time on Slashdot.

         

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    30. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.wired.com/2014/11/a...

      Bad ethics in game journalism hurts the gamers. This isn't the only example, just a big one that happened recently. Ethical outlets would have released poor reviews that belonged being released in order for the games to get fixed, or allow people to not preorder a game that barely runs on high end hardware.

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    31. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a reason no one defended the idiot gamergate punks. You guys made sure you were indefensible. When no one called out the threats and the doxing you proved you had no moral leg to stand on. Not to mention that most of your allegations were proved false. It was your own actions that drowned out your words.

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    32. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree. Not giving more than occasion coverage to game gate was about the most journalisticly responsible thing Slashdot could have done.

      GG is and never was anything more than a bunch of self righteous and self important bloggers on both sides spewing lies and distortions. There is so much bad information that really can't be fact checked out there it isn't possible its not possible to write an intelligent article on the subject let alone have a discussion about.

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    33. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has happened over and over and over again, and seems to be the hallmark of this decade in tech: take a working project...

      ...and that's where I have the problem, because really, I think D2 is terrible, and D1 is far too ridden with bugs and limitations that exist because /. was once running on a 386 in Malda's closet over a 14.4 modem.

      Of course, there's a good case to be made that the existing code base should just be fixed, namely:

      - Remove sillier numeric limits for D1.
      - Unicode. It's 2015, there's no excuse. Page widening is not a problem with CSS's max-width. - Some CSS clean up.

      Which would probably not take anything like as much time as Beta was going to, but, oh well...

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    34. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      http://www.wired.com/2014/11/a...

      How is fighting this anything to do with the sex of anyone involved?

      Trying to cast people as misogynistic in order to cast doubt on their position is pretty crappy. What did he say that had anything to do with misogyny? Did you dislike that he tried to respond to all the stories about women in tech that have been studied over and over and found that women don't go into tech because they don't like it rather than anyone hurting their feelings?

      Do you work in tech? Do you work with women? Do you see them treated badly? If you can give examples, then there are things we can fight for, not just nebulously saying that women are discriminated against and that is why, without any proof.

      Why aren't there more men in nursing? Why aren't there more women in construction?

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    35. Re: Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See? This one keeps to the methodology, responding to a third-level post by defending itself.

      Look, feces-for-cranial-matter... it's not the SJWs that are the problem with gamergate, and it never has been. That's the false narrative that you and your lackeys have been telling since day one. The problem is a corrupt media that has the power and the inclination to manipulate the news stream to tell whatever story it wants, up to and including whitewashing or vilification of individual actors, as necessary, to ensure its own well being. Do you fucking get it, now? Or are you just programmed to fling more shit at the wall until something sticks?

      Captcha: lemmings

    36. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You MUST be new here.

    37. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Holi · · Score: 1

      How many of the threats and posts wishing people were raped or killed did you personally condemn? Di you stand behind releasing peoples home addresses as a valid argument? These are what you consider ethical acts? When you threaten your opponent with physical harm in a debate about ethics, you lose the debate.

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    38. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by khasim · · Score: 1

      Gamergate was ignored because gamergate is not news.

      My problem with it is that even if the initial event happened EXACTLY AS CLAIMED then it is still nothing.

      The "story" became the reactions to that nothing event.

      And then the reactions to those reactions to that nothing event.

      And now we have a post mod'ed +5 Insightful for claiming that Gamergate wasn't covered.

    39. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody even knows what it's about

      That is the problem he was pointing out.

    40. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many of the threats and posts wishing people were raped or killed did you personally condemn?

      All of them committed by aGG. I also condemned the doxing and swatting of GG members, and bomb threats made by aGG.

      When you threaten your opponent with physical harm in a debate about ethics, you lose the debate.

      I agree. So why do aGG keep doing it, if they bother to try to debate all. Also, I assume since you wrote that that you will publicly condemn Zoey Tur physically assaulting and threating Ben Shapiro on camera.

    41. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Gamergate' is is a bunch of whining neckbeards. Not very interesting. The whole angst over women and their role in tech is a bit more interesting, but not really news for nerds (more news for sociologists).

      The whole 'gamer culture' is a buch of self aggrandizing wannabes.

      Back in the day /. was about hard science/maths or interesting coding. You know, *technical stuff for nerds*.

      Very much agree with 1. but 2 and 3 (which are basically the same point). not so much...

    42. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      BigBangTheory and it's !!!! 'journalism'

    43. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by canowhoopass.com · · Score: 1

      I think you are overblowing Slashdot's biases a bit. I just did a google search and found many articles on Slashdot referencing Gamergate, people invovled, and its issues over the past years. I ended my search after finding 12. I didn't find any editorials which I guess is what you were angling for...

      Here's a couple quick ones:

      As to your women in STEM complaint... that's a story which does come up often. I've read many articles posted via slashdot listing one potential cause or another. Here's a post which blames ad's in the 80's.

    44. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The "ethics" complaint is already known to have been a lie, based on rumors. There is no substance to the accusation itself. Even if you believe the accusation, the only thing to believe is that some people believe a rumor about somebody's personal life. That isn't ethics, and doesn't involve journalism. That you're still trotting out the lie, yes that really does raise questions about your true motives. Especially when there are lots of examples of serious, serious ethical violations in attacking people seen as being "on the other side." Simply saying it isn't you, while standing next to them and repeating the same lies about it, that isn't going to convince anybody of what you want to convince them. People do learn from it though, sure.

      And since when is social justice a bad thing? It is just laughable when people think "social justice warrior" is an insult. You do know that justice is good, right? And that people who fight for something good are seen as... good people?

    45. Re: Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell did you type all that with all those blacks cocks in your hands? Did you just slap their dicks on the keyboard or are you typing with your feet?

    46. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical SJW bullshit. Disagreement isn't trolling or trying to "shut down all discussion". SJW's are the ones who support doxing,who support SWATTING, who support calling in bomb threats, who support trying to get people fired for holding opinions SJW's don't like, who support press lies and unethical conduct, who rely on bogus social science studies to perpetuate agendas, who are making lots of money positioning themselves as pro diversity but who are really racist and sexist against anyone who doesn't go along with their narrative.

    47. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Adults try not to contradict themselves when they are wasting their time like you have just done.

      BTW, pro-tip adults know that /. is a waste of time.

      How would you know what adults think? You haven't even been born yet. Go sign up so I can tell you to get off my lawn.

    48. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4. Ramrodding CO2 = pollution stories down everyone's throats without ever addressing the facts and science of the other side of the debate, instead focusing on personal attacks as defence.

      Plus the average slashdotter probably uses ad blocking which makes their advertising model not work very well.

      You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

      If you disbelieve facts and call it an opinion, don't hold your breath waiting for people to want to "debate" it.

      BTW, this is exactly what puts the "coward" in "anonymous coward." You admit to being a regular, and yet you don't have the courage to use your own pseudonym.

    49. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is your comment for real?

      First of all, it attacks an entire group of people based on their race (i.e. "white" people).

      Second of all, it attacks an entire group of people based on their gender (i.e. "men").

      Third of all, it accuses these people of allegedly having a "paranoid persecution complex", while your comment is the one making claims of organized persecution, while itself engaging in the persecution of others!

      Fourth of all, it has been modded up to "5, Insightful", despite being comically hypocritical.

      Last of all, you're probably 100% serious about what you're saying, and 100% oblivious to the rampant hypocrisy that runs through your entire comment.

    50. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly GG has nothing to do with ethics in gaming journalism...

    51. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Why would anybody get fired? They weren't making money off us, all they did was fail to squeeze blood out of rocks. Their bosses would be idiots to fire them for that. Just because what they do doesn't work for this community, doesn't mean that is a bad thing from their perspective. They never wanted to be what we wanted them to be.

      I'm just glad they're moving on. Live or die, we'll be better off without them, and they'll be better off without us. There are other bits in the bucket.

    52. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    53. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 0

      Oh? I haven't heard anything but complaints about ethics in game journalism by people in the GG group.

      Can you point to any example of something different? Or are you just trying to smear a group over something completely unrelated to the complaint they are voicing?

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    54. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by penandpaper · · Score: 0

      that's because Gamergate wasn't about ethics in game journalism, hilarious memes be damned. it was PRECISELY about white men continuing to be gatekeepers against gaming opening up to other people, including women. in sum, get your paranoid persecution complex out of here.

      What? How did the white man keep you from playing/making games you want? No one stopped my wife. No one stopped the people in #notyourshield. So.... Please, tell me how the white man oppresses you in the 1st world video game industry through hot coffee mods and NPC's.

      Like it or not, GG has influenced ethics in game journalism. A number of sites have updated their ethics policy in response to GG.

      Honestly, I can't tell if this is a Poe or not.

    55. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by BrookHarty · · Score: 0

      The editors ignored the pro-gamergate news, pro male news, but kept the healthy does of anti-gamergate news like the Wu around. Lets have more articles on harassment of women, how women have it tough in Amazon, how women are being ostracized in tech!

      With a readership of mostly males interested in tech, they really did push a feminist liberal agenda over tech news. And look what it got them, most of the users left, the quality of news went down, and click bait appeared.

    56. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, fuck off with your GamerGoober bullshit, Neckbeard. Seriously.

    57. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. Sexism is real. (See number 2) And STEM is a hot topic right now.

      Your response misses the poster's point. He said "with analysis of the cause always limited to accusations of sexism (and devoid of analysis of innate female preferences, or corporate agendas designed to inflate the workforce)". He didn't say sexism doesn't exist, he said the articles tend to favor labeling all under-representation of a gender as sexism instead of seeing if there may be any other contributing factors. It's akin to saying that since a person who smokes has a strong chance of getting lung cancer, then all lung cancer cases must come from smoking. No one denies the smoking-cancer link, but that doesn't mean all cases are caused by it, and refusing to consider other possible causes is as biased an approach as those who see all under-representation of females as a result of sexism (as I suspect is your opinion based on your post).

    58. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many incidents of doxxing and swatting from your innocent heroines in distress are you going to personally ignore? Do you stand behind releasing peoples' home addresses as a valid argument? These are what you consider ethical acts? Robblerobblerobble.

      White knight harder.

    59. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair: anything remotely related to gaming gets buried on this site. On the other hand, I am very happy that Slashdot kept most of the GG FUD off the site. I only wish mods were more proactive at doing the same in the comments.

    60. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody's talking about disagreement, idiot. Shitposting and abusive moderation most certainly are attempts to get the discussion shut down.

      Most of you even admitted it at the time, but now you're being called up on it it's "disagreement".

      Kinda like harassing women with rape threats is "ethics in gaming journalism", right? Or using a handful of useful idiot women and racial minorities as shields against criticism you're a deeply sexist, racist, and homophobic movement, is "Not a shield"?

    61. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, GG got just about every big gaming site out there to revise, or even create an ethics policy for their writers to adhere to.

    62. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you actually want to discuss ethics in gaming journalism, you need to stop associating that conversation with "gamergate," because that buzzword is now associated with a campaign of harassment and terrorism against women who speak out about it.

    63. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by evilviper · · Score: 1

      2. shameful attempt to ignore Gamergate (still not a single article on /. covering the journalism scandal

      Pipedot had a pretty good GamerGate write-up a few months ago:

      http://pipedot.org/story/2014-...

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    64. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTFucktard? Abusive moderation? It's currently the SJW /. contingent that has more higher moderated posts in this thread. +

      Or using a handful of useful idiot women and racial minorities as shields against criticism you're a deeply sexist, racist, and homophobic movement, is "Not a shield"?

      Holy shit, just listen to yourself you fucking racist, sexist pig. You multicolored-haired illiberal fascists really show your true character whenever someone disagrees with your viewpoints.

    65. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone who ends up on the side of the pro-GG side of the argument more often than not,

      Out of interest, why are you pro these people:
      http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/...

      Or perhaps you'd like to wile away a few minutes watching "the sarkeesian" effect. I do notice that the gaters on Slashdot banging on about fraud have finally given up 12 months after literally no one asked for their money back from Sarkeesian.

      much the same way that "MRA" is used and misused

      I think you're confusing the men's movement with the men's rights movement. The latter is the one with return of kings, mgtow and so on and who's adherents are known as men's rights activists.

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    66. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by fightinfilipino · · Score: 2, Informative

      you. post. on. slashdot. you of all people should know anecdotal evidence means squat.

      especially in the face of ample evidence contradicting your naive claim: http://www.latimes.com/busines... http://www.npr.org/sections/al... http://genderandset.open.ac.uk...

    67. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Touche my man, touche. Like so many of the most insightful posts it's hard to choose between funny and insightful.

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    68. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by ninjagin · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work in tech, only for about 25 years, though, and I see (and have seen) women being treated badly all the time. They have a much harder time getting their ideas into play, their opinions heard & listened to, and their work and credibility accepted. It's very hard to push back against it, too, without risk. I could go on, but you don't seem to be open to other points of view on the subject.

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    69. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Why aren't there more women in construction?

      Curious thing. It's my personal observation, but I've seen a lot more women in hi viz round London recently. Other funny thing is they behave much like the guys and wolf whistle. I suppose it's something to do with large scale construction not relying on physical strength nearly as much as the smaller scale things.

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    70. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by lgw · · Score: 1

      I've been a software dev for that long, and I've never seen an idea rejected because a woman proposed it (and I've worked in some extremely shitty places with overt racial discrimination).

      You say you work "in tech"? Where? IT? Dev? Ops? Is it a regional thing?

      I hear terrible things about misogyny in Ruby on Rails dev jobs, but not yet a firsthand account.

      Can you share some examples or details to make your point? At least what industry and region?

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    71. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has happened over and over and over again, and seems to be the hallmark of this decade in tech: take a working project...

      ...and that's where I have the problem, because really, I think D2 is terrible, and D1 is far too ridden with bugs and limitations that exist because /. was once running on a 386 in Malda's closet over a 14.4 modem.

      Of course, there's a good case to be made that the existing code base should just be fixed, namely:

      - Remove sillier numeric limits for D1.

      - Unicode. It's 2015, there's no excuse. Page widening is not a problem with CSS's max-width.
      - Some CSS clean up.

      Which would probably not take anything like as much time as Beta was going to, but, oh well...

      Really? Diablo 2 was my favorite out of the 3

    72. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet Q&A with brian wu

    73. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      noonu fucking cares about your pronouns when they frag you, imagine that, your imaginary gatekeepers, yeah right

    74. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the fact that they (Gawker) were forced to indicate what reviews and articles were sponsored?
      That doesn't sound like lies and rumors to me.

    75. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by lgw · · Score: 1

      that's because Gamergate wasn't about ethics in game journalism, hilarious memes be damned. it was PRECISELY about white men continuing to be gatekeepers against gaming opening up to other people, including women.

      People actually believe this? Really? Game companies just want money. Gamers just want fun games. The only corner of "gaming" where misogyny can be found is Call of Duty and a handful of similar games where the player base is predominately teenage boys. That's a very small part of gaming these days.

      "Gaming" is not the small "first person shooters played on consoles" games market: it's Plants v Zombies, and Candy Crush, and Angry Birds, and MMOs, and Necrodancer, and a million rogue-lite single-player games (and far too many shitty Unity-engine games and visual novels). Last time I saw the stats, the median gamer was around 30, and most game-buyers were female, and the game companies certainly know the stats.

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    76. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When no one called out the threats and the doxing you proved you had no moral leg to stand on.

      Simply put, your assertion is factually incorrect. We constantly and consistently called out both the threats and the doxing. The thing is, from what we could tell of the way these infernal social-media websites operate, most of the threats and the doxing came directly from the supposed "victims."

      Now, having been present for many of the formative discussions that led to the GamerGate movement, I can tell you that a lot of people did express a desire to dox and threaten the professional media trolls that started the whole mess. But every time they did, we patiently reminded them that GamerGate was not a "raid", that it would defeat the purpose of the entire movement to lash out in such a way, and that if you wanted to be a /b/tard asshole about it you weren't part of GamerGate. As a matter of fact, when we were able to identify someone threatening the movement's opponents, we reported him to the authorities ourselves.

      I don't discount the possibility that some of those threats and dox attempts were legitimate. Twitter didn't exactly invite us to examine their records to determine whether or not people were threatening themselves, and by nature of the movement it's entirely possible that some idiots went off on their own and engaged in such deplorable behavior. But I have to ask: What more could we have done to stop those idiots? GG isn't some industry mailing list where everyone knows your real name, it's a grassroots consumer movement. There's no roster, no payroll, most of the movement was conducted anonymously. What were we supposed to do, hack the mainframe and get the bad apple swatted?

    77. Re: Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Cederic · · Score: 1

      It's easy, just shift a couple to your mouth while you type.

      You should practice, it'd be educational for you.

    78. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by penandpaper · · Score: 0

      The only claim I made was that GG has influenced ethics in game journalism because a number of sites have updated their ethics policy. A quick Google search and the first link says that kotaku and polygon will: " post public messages about how they will handle disclosure between the relationships of journalists and developers from now on."

      Honestly, I don't know how to take your posts seriously... I thought the first one was a poe and then this out from left field. What is your point? What point of mine are you trying to address in your reply?

      GG and women in STEM because evil white men!! Have I got it right or did I miss something when you changed subjects?

       

    79. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its so unimportant virtually every mainstream press site has had an article about it and they continue to write about it to this day

      GG was the fad, the big uproar du jour for about a month. Then it slowly died down. Now you find references to the obscure corners of the Internet laughably called "gaming journalism," and on feminist websites, and very little of it anywhere else. If you're on slashdot, if you're on Kotaku, you're in an echo chamber. No one else cares.

    80. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Yep, that one screamed "conflict of interest" pretty damn loudly.

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    81. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, it was totally suppressed.

      I think the worst suppression was when submissions like SourceForge and GIMP [Updated], nmap Maintainer Warns He Doesn't Control nmap SourceForge Mirror, SourceForge Responds To nmap Maintainer's Claims, and SourceForge Suspends Independent Project Mirroring ended up on the front page.

    82. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Hear hear!

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    83. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I had to do a bit of my own research to figure out how Magnetic Resonance Angiography could be used to diss someone.

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    84. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I had no idea the the Three Stooges' first flick "The Women Haters Club" would be so prescient.

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    85. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNNMoney just had Brianna fucking Wu on last week talking about the usual shit and GG. In fact any retard could do a search and find a mainstream press article gamedropping. It ain't dying.

    86. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define justice.

      I'm waiting.

    87. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The ethics complaints were all valid, and all involved journalists, so I don't know what you're talking about. You can view the laundry list at http://deepfreeze.it/

      Justice is holding a person responsible for their actions. Social Justice is holding a person responsible for the actions of their race, gender, or creed. Social Justice is just another form of racism.

      That is a totally made up definition of "social justice." That is never what it meant. Actually, fighting against what you describe is what "social justice" is! D'oh!

      And no, I'm not going to click some weird link. Just say what you have to say, no need to link weird stuff. You haven't even signed up for an account here, so you don't know this, but people here only click links to websites they already visit, like wikipedia or something. You can keep your goats to yourself.

      So what was the ethical complaint that you claim is "valid?" Spoiler: I already looked into the details of the original accusations. But please, for the sake of other readers, what was this ethical lapse? You're not going to say, because it would be embarrassing for you to admit it is gossip that isn't about ethics or journalism. Honestly, none of the people whining about a journalist maybe having had sex with a person they're not reporting on... have any idea what work ethics means. Presumably, they think it is also unethical for a mechanic to date a person who owns a car, or for a medical doctor to date a human. Or for any two people in related industries to date. Of course, none of those have ethical implications at all. Just like, a programmer who writes free games isn't prohibited from dating people who write about games. There is no ethical lapse there at all. The accusation is that two people may or may not have had sex, and some other person may or may not have been offended. It isn't anybody's business, and doesn't invoke ethics.

    88. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      That last paragraph is not very well thought through.
      Not all ideas of social justice seem so bad. On a basic level it's fine to give people a chance when they otherwise had less ability to. It doesn't have to hurt anyone to be accomplished.
      But Justice really does not have a static representation. Every side of a war has a different view of justice. Otherwise there would likely be way fewer wars. Justice is something that changes based on who is determining what is just. It's subjective, as well as objective. The justice system is constantly under scrutiny, constantly being amended. And I'm sure plenty of the worst atrocities and social terrors ever committed were considered somebodies version of justice. And putting the word "Free" on an advertisement doesn't mean the buyer is actually gaining something at no cost.

      Social justice is just as corruptible by radical viewpoints as any other cultural ideal.

    89. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      I understand that Gamergate is more complicated than most people realize, while not being all that far reaching (at least not Gamergate specifically, the larger picture spans far beyond it and can't be tackled in the same arena made to concentrate on gaming journalism/culture). But it does seem like /. was trying to turn it into a binary "with us or against us" situation, geared toward one said catapulting harassment at the other.

      It would have been nice to see a more representative view of both ends, to maybe get an idea of what someone in the middle might be seeing, as opposed to the "men are doing all the bad things and women are the helpless victims" idea we are presented with all the time here. It is a battle of extremes as well as moderates, but the extremes get the most attention (surprise surprise) and the extreme a lot of tech communities want to go with are the more social justice commando viewpoints, I guess since it's new and seems like since bad things do happen, they must be completely true, right? The kernel of truth covered in lackluster or biased commentary. Sure does make for some juicy clickbait, if nothing else.

    90. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. Back in the early/mid 90's I worked with many women software developers and frankly they all sucked. Everyone was always nice to them and many were kept on when they should have been fired (and would have been if they were male).

      Women do fill important niche roles in software development though, as long as they are used appropriately (generally this means not writing much actual code).

    91. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Found the racist.

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    92. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      That is exactly why people don't listen to the aGGros that much.

    93. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      And since when is social justice a bad thing? It is just laughable when people think "social justice warrior" is an insult. You do know that justice is good, right? And that people who fight for something good are seen as... good people?

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    94. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the double post, but you are aware that there have been multiple, massive ethics breaches that have been uncovered. The movement is not related to a solitary event that you seem to think it has. And if we are talking about the same thing, nobody has ever refuted what was said. Taking the side you are taking in this also makes you a rape apologist.

    95. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      Places like HuffPo and The Guardian still gamedrop at least once a week.

    96. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Because I search sites that aren't blatantly biased pro-radical-feminist garbage?

      I have a feeling that no evidence for my side of the argument is ever going to be good enough for you, so I'm not even going to bother trying to refute anything you're saying here.

      And no, I've actually done more research on the MRA, it seems, than you have.

      MRAs =/= MGTOW =/= Return of Kings.

      They are separate paradigms. I know this because I'm not afraid of hunting down information from the source. It seems you have a problem doing that.

      In fact, RoK detests MRAs, but, if you'd even bothered to look past pro-feminist literature on the matter, you might know that.

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    97. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how women being driven out of engineering jobs is keeping women form playing videogames. As for your first link, they throw out a lot of percentages, but they lack one huge, core thing - What are the percentage of female graduates from STEM fields? With the companies that they are getting on their case about hiring percentages, they fail to realize that the percentage of female graduates is only 20% of all STEM bachelors holders. So technically, they are pretty damn close to hiring what graduates from schools. I mean, if these numbers were closer to 5%, yeah, that would be a problem, but when 20% of STEM graduates are females, and the women working in STEM fields is around 20% at these companies, it seems like everything is where it should be.

    98. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by LaurenCates · · Score: 2

      "men are doing all the bad things and women are the helpless victims" idea we are presented with all the time here.

      That's the thing that continually irks me about this whole business.

      Under this whole idea does the whole feminist house of cards fall down.

      You're a strong, capable woman, until you're confronted with *gasp* bad words on the internet?

      Fuck, if someone calls me a cunt (because, apparently, that's the worst thing you can call a woman), guess what? I'm having a really good day. If that's the worst thing you've got for me, and not, say, a bullet to the head, I'm-a have me a party because life is good, and, bonus, I managed to piss someone off enough that they decided on the nuclear option.

      Except it's not "nuclear" because it doesn't bother me.

      Guess what, Slashdot, and incoming new owners, there are more women like me out there, who don't give a fuck about a few naughty words on the internet. We drink, we smoke cigars, we watch porn, we swear, we play and watch sports, and we're not weepy little damsels who need a leg up, because sistahs be doin' it for ourselves.

      We don't need no stinking women's "initiatives", because we got the goods already. Always have. And any woman who says different isn't in the game for the love, they're in it to be a "woman in..." because they want a pat on the back for being a woman doing it.

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    99. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by LaurenCates · · Score: 2

      The fact that feminist websites still bother with the business make me wonder why feminists are taken seriously at all.

      The loudest feminist voices about the "crimes" against women in first-world nations are often the ones least qualified to talk about it.

      (Oh, so you're in "gender studies", but you're marching into tech offices across the country to demand how shit should be done, huh? How precious of you. Would you also like to wear a tiara while you take your afternoon tea?)

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    100. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

      Gamergate is vastly larger than being about "gamers" now, so so much vastly bigger. The word "gamergate" is actually doing it a disservice.

      The crux of most of the discussions which still continue about it, is mostly about the censorship, fear of discussing things for fear of being labelled, pushing a particular agenda.
      There's most certainly extremists on both sides but from where I'm sitting it appears the "SJW camp" are utterly incapable of sitting back, self reflecting and saying "whoah, hang on a minute, perhaps we're being overly critial here"

      If you don't INSTANTLY and completely agree with them and some of their batshit crazy triggering / abuse / sexist / racist / "wrong" concepts, then *you're* clearly the problem and you must be an ignorant / racist / sexist / homophobe.

      I am *not* stupid enough to think that all the pro-gg people are nice people, there's obviously people who hate women, are racists, are insensitive fucks - but for the most part, the stuff I've been reading the last 3 months, they honestly seem fairly well balanced and capable of correcting themselves or others in that community to "hey, don't be the piece of shit, the SJW's claim you're being"

      I grew up with a lot of British humour, I have a dark sense of humour. I've SERIOUSLY adjusted my humour over the years to try to be more sensitive but the batshit loopy "trigger this" nutters who want everything covered in cotton wool are driving me from being a lefty to a righty, something I never thought I'd say.

      "Gamergaters" have harassed people online, those harassers are foolish.
      HOWEVER, some "gamergaters" have simply had the audacity to refute incorrect points or even just ask questions, how dare they...
      "SJW's" however have never and would never harass anyone, they are "in the right!" they've never cost anyone their job or harassed anyone,... nope, never hipocritical. They have carte blanche in dictating what you say and deciding what you intended by saying it.

      Ultimately gamergate is much bigger than video games, so much bigger, that name is a massive disservice.
      (Note: I am not endorsing abuse, I'm simply saying "hey, how about some fucking plain old common sense" which appears to have vanished)

    101. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You. You are what's wrong with slashdot. Useless jerks who have to tell everyone exactly why every story posted is actually about them and their favorite things.

    102. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -------- Tumblr is that way, SJW.

    103. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2. shameful attempt to ignore Gamergate (still not a single article on /. covering the journalism scandal, when there should have been at least one for each of a dozen or so events/milestones), and later (after the cover-up and news blackout didn't work) joining the campaign to intimidate and libel those who spoke out against the corruption

      3. constant stories about women being less represented in STEM vs. the general population, with analysis of the cause always limited to accusations of sexism (and devoid of analysis of innate female preferences, or corporate agendas designed to inflate the workforce)

      Spoken like a young white IT male...

    104. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      Modded down,think my point is made.

    105. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I read stuff about GamerGate and I *still* have no fucking idea what it was about. I can only guess mostly just SJW stuff in the US, because no-one else seemed to really have any idea and it all sounded like a bunch of whining schoolkids bitching about whether to be overly PC or not.

    106. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you including the ones the so-called 'victims' were proven to enact on themselves? Or do those not fit the narrative?

    107. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, why doesn't that coward have the COURAGE to use his real fake name?

    108. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Note: The fact I was and am part scared posting this with my normal account, rather than anon, is **exactly** why we have a problem.

      To question, clearly means you're a bad person.

    109. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Ian+A.+Shill · · Score: 1

      Why can't you awful people let Gary Gygax rest in peace?

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    110. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Not really. Most of the articles of GG that I've found were linked to from actual news sites. And I've found, the more conservative the site, the greater the pep talk for GG.

    111. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Careful of how you define "good". I hear there have been whole groups of people who have done horrendous things for "the good". That's why SJW is typically aimed at people doing bad things for their personal "good" cause. It's sarcasm indicating that it's obvious they're really not doing what they proclaim they are.

    112. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by cusco · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they'll spin off SourcForge as well. Dice was the absolutely worst thing to ever happen to them.

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    113. Re: Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think after seeing this comment and its moderation I might be ready to watch /. die. So, thanks for that.

      Gamergaters live in a weird place if they still think they're fighting corruption.

    114. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Because I search sites that aren't blatantly biased pro-radical-feminist garbage?

      I noticed you dismissed the site as "garbage" without actually addressing my point. Do youbelieve those IRC logs are a fabrication? If so, say so. If not, then being pro gamergate means you are pro that stuff.

      I have a feeling that no evidence for my side of the argument is ever going to be good enough for you,

      Touche. I like how you dismiss my evidence while claiming I *will* dismiss yours and then passing the buck on addressing it. Your sophistry has been noted.

      Anyway, most (all?) of the evidence I've seen has been to show that some anti-gaters have done some shitty things. You know what? That doesn't make me pro gamergate because two wrongs don't make a right.

      MRAs =/= MGTOW =/= Return of Kings.

      Well, last time I addressed that point, you ignored my reply. I'll do it again because what the hell why not. No they're not all strictly identical, and sure they will all trade insults for not doing it "properly". From the point of view of someone at a distance, they all peddle the same brand of regressive drivel of which an amazingly large amount seems to be spent grousing about women. The fact that they've given themselves different names and have one or two points that differ by epsilon isn't a good reason not to put them under the same broad banner of "manosphere".

      They are separate paradigms.

      Barely. I've gone to the original sources, you know, the websites or subreddits where they're based and no, they're barely any different at all. Saying they're different reminds me of this:

      I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. -- Emo Phillips

      From the point of view of someone not in the manosphere, the difference between MGTOW and Red Pillers and ROTK etc is the difference between the reformed baptist church of god reformed 1879 and 1915. So sure they're technically different but not in any meaningful way no matter how much fuss they make about it.

      In fact, RoK detests MRAs, but, if you'd even bothered to look past pro-feminist literature on the matter, you might know that.

      You are under the impression I didn't know that. I do know that but I just don't care. Infact it's th opposite. The closer some split is to being the same I think the more likely they are to revile each other. The reformers of 1879 detest the reformers of 1915 but to everyone else they look more or less identical.

      And to anyone not deeply embedded in the manosphere, they all share mostly the same regressive, blinkered views and no one except for them cares about the tiny, minor but very heartfelt differences.

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    115. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Troll

      You are deluding yourself if you think a bunch of people on Twitter using the #GamerGate hashtag means you are taking control of the narrative or gaining credibility. If anything, the biggest achievement of GamerGate has been to bring attention to online harassment and viewers to Feminist Frequency's YouTube channel. Sarkeesian's Kickstarter would have been a small affair and the videos much lower quality, with far fewer views if it hadn't been for GamerGate lashing out at her.

      Thanks to GamerGate we have new tools to deal with online harassment. Even 4chan reached its limit and had to draw a line, and Reddit finally decided to act as well. Law enforcement is slowly becoming aware of the issues too.

      It's a shame we had to hit rock bottom to get here, but at least now things are steadily improving.

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    116. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are problems with ethics in game journalism, but that's not what GamerGate is about. Don't forget that the original claim was that a developer slept with a journalist in exchange for positive coverage of her game, which turned out to be completely and demonstrably untrue. Even now, if you head over to Reddit or 8chan, that lie is still being pushed. If GamerGate really cared about ethics the first thing it would do is put its own house in order and apologise.

      GamerGate uses the ethics angle as an excuse to harass. When confronted the harassers can point to the people posting about ethics as a way to deflect criticism and disown their actions. If you really care about ethics in journalism, you need to either find a new hashtag or make a real effort to clean up GamerGate. Get over to Reddit and heavily down-mod all those misogynist posts on the GG boards, for example. That isn't happening right now, completely discrediting the ethics angle.

      In short, if you want to complain about ethics, you need to have them yourself first.

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    117. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There is so much bad information that really can't be fact checked

      The allegation that Quinn used her relationship with a journalist to get positive coverage is demonstrably false. The alleged review does not exist, no-one has ever been able to produce it, Google cannot find it. There is no question that the original claim which started it all is untrue.

      There are many more, such as the allegation that Sarkeesian is some kind of Shylock character (easily disproved by the fact that she isn't actually Jewish). There are plenty of articles that did bother to fact check these things too.

      Don't believe the hype. There is no doubt, no two sides to this.

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    118. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I was fine with beta existing, right up until they announced that classic was going away and beta would eventually become the only option. That's when the revolt happened, because many of us knew that if beta became the only option the site would die. I'm not exaggerating, the comments are the only reason to come here (there are plenty of other tech news sites) and breaking them would be suicide.

      I agree with your other point, it would be nice to have a rational debate about gender and diversity issues in tech, but MRA rage makes it pretty much impossible.

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    119. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That and the fact that everyone here is demanding higher wages, like $200k for a programming job, to push the average up. Slashdot allows the cattle, sorry talent pool, to conspire against Dice's customers.

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    120. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem is that GamerGate boards are overrun with posts harassing people and trying to justify the harassment. If you want to talk about ethics you first need to be ethical yourself. That seems to be against the fundamental GamerGate philosophy of absolute freedom of speech though, meaning that there is no coherent message and any legitimate concerns are overshadowed by the fact that harassment is tolerated.

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    121. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you need prefix your commentary by defining what gamergate is and isn't then you've already lost the definition argument. Things must be obvious for mildly disinterested parties to follow them, and gamergate is non-obvious. From the outside it's two large groups of people acting in a most abhorrent manner which happens to also damage two smaller groups of people who are trying to make some point (but can't, as they have to redefine their movement each time).

    122. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go home, /pol/, you're drunk.

    123. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only proves you haven't even attempted to look into it. There are plenty of easily verifiable facts regarding the rotten shell that is gaming journalism, see f.ex deepfreeze.it for a starting point.

      Funny that you should post this a week after Brianna Wu (you know, Literally Wu of GamerGate fame) was given /. space to beg for money and spread her shit.

    124. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolute twaddle. Unless you're thinking of aGG .

    125. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And since when is social justice a bad thing? It is just laughable when people think "social justice warrior" is an insult. You do know that justice is good, right? And that people who fight for something good are seen as... good people?

      Because they don't give a damn about justice. They want harsh, indiscriminate injustice against the set {straight males, white people, conservatives} and they'll happily hang you if you dare have an opinion that doesn't toe the party line.

      Justice isn't objectively good because justice is relative, as is your claim of SJWs being good people. SJWs are the most intolerant, bigoted people I've ever encountered, they just happen to hate groups of people that fear speaking out or standing up for themselves, with backing in leftist/communist academia and über-politically correct media. They are despicable.

    126. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The thing is GG is spilling out elsewhere. Randi Harper infiltrated the FreeBSD community and is using them as leverage to push her hate and dog piling. It's going to spill out onto the rest of the world sometime soon and it's going to be a train wreck.

      DHI probably thought the anti-GG crowd was profitable and found out they weren't.

    127. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      The mistake you're making is that you think GG wasn't already a thing.

      It just wasn't called "Gamergate".

      Talk to anyone in any given subculture with a propensity for getting a bad rap from the outside and you'll find someone with a story of how some group of outsiders walked in, demanded to be paid attention to before earning status, and decided it wanted to rule the roost by taking authority away from the people who built it by power of slandering using blackmail:

      "You nerds change your ways to suit us, your new overlords, or we're going to tell everyone how awful you are. And don't think for a second they'll believe you over us. Confirmation bias, bitches!"

      It's been seen in comics, sci-fi, BDSM, metal and atheism. All groups subject to one level or another of people coming in for a hostile takeover and demanding "safe spaces" and "diversity" instead of promoting their own corner and unity despite differences. It's making enemies where you should be making friends. It's the hypocritical posturing of saying: "We're not the threatening ones, but cross us and there will be hell to pay!"

      Make no mistake. This kind of fight has been around for years.

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    128. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It was suppressed for like a week, just because they finally posted the stories doesn't indicate that it was not suppressed.

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    129. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Proof? Or are you just going to slander a group of people yet again?

      The story of the developer sleeping with the journalist came out as true, who's slanted now? Where is your proof of the falsehood of the statement? After all the journalist is in the by line of the article and came out and admitted to both facts, but I guess you just care about the poor female developer that was sleeping around.

      The anti GG side uses the excuse of mythical misogynistic statements to harass people, so how are they any better in your eyes?

      Trying to say Gamergate is not about ethics in journalism is pretty stupid as that is the only stance they have taken. Sleeping with the subject of an article you are writing is against ethics, therefore it is all about ethics to call it out. You may THINK that it didn't happen, but the proof is out there when you take your blinders off. Considering that Gamergate was able to get many game review sites to improve their ethics statements, it looks like they won the fight. Stupid people trying to claim it is all about sexism without any kind of proof is pretty sad. You need to go out and read all the info there and stop being so damn biased and blinded by your side of the fight.

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    130. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Slander and harassment to get your point across, but still no links, no fact. Keep defending that lie to the very end.

      The Gamergate philosophy is nothing but ethics in game journalism. A journalist admitting to sleeping with the subject of his article is unethical. You may think it never happened, but the information is out there if you would stop being persistent in your incorrect views.

      So if you view that tolerating harassment overshadows the legitimate concerns, why do you keep being on the side of these women who harass and dox others? Why do you support these women who spout racism, sexism, and hate while claiming they are being harassed?

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    131. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just going by what you've said here, GG absolutely CANNOT be about ethics in games journalism because all the hate is on the female developer. Nobody in GG is complaining about the male journalist whose own journalistic ethics should have been the focus right from the very beginning.

    132. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What do you want me to link to? A 404 error on Kotaku where the non-existent review is?

      And by the way, having a relationship with someone after they wrote about something you do (and 49 other things you didn't do) isn't unethical. What is ethical is that the journalist in question didn't write about Quinn after their relationship began.

      You need to provide proof if you dispute their account. So far GamerGate has provided nothing. Well, the jilted boyfriend was unable to find any evidence to submit to the court and avoid getting a restraining order. Well done for failing to help him out with your 100% proven facts.

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    133. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They weren't forced by anything. They did a lot eye-rolling and patting you on the head while giving you the "sure, kid, here's our regular policy in writing for you" lollipop to shut you up about it.

      See, just because it isn't in writing doesn't mean the policy doesn't exist. If it wasn't already their policy, it would have taken them a lot longer to roll out the new policy because business contracts are more powerful than ethics.

    134. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I'm so productive that I have lots of extra time to spend on Slashdot.

    135. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      and I will quote myself:

      Sleeping with the subject of an article you are writing is against ethics, therefore it is all about ethics to call it out.

      I am calling out the male journalist, not the female developer. What she did may or may not be ethical, but I know what he did is unethical. It could also be considered rape, as he had a position of power over her, though that is unlikely to be prosecuted.

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    136. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      After? This was before and during, not after, who cares about after?

      https://wiki.gamergate.me/inde...

      Wow, that was HARD, so hard to look up the evidence and read all about it. The guy is slime, Zoe wasn't even the first time he had a conflict of interest. But all you care about is poor Zoe being dragged through the mud for something she DID do. This took me a single Google search, I had more issues with my company's proxy blocking me from reading the Kotoku article than actually searching and finding this content. Are you ready to take your blinders off yet?

      Oh and before you try denigrating the source, all the references are at the bottom like any good Wiki. However it is entirely possible that the subjects have since deleted things from their histories to try and cover it all up.

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    137. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      1. The complaints about beta I felt were misplaced. They shouldn't have made the beta default for anyone (and perhaps they should have refined it just a little more first...) but I think Slashdotters seriously overreacted to what was an easy to opt-out of test of a new UI. (And frankly, with D1 broken - thanks Pudge - and D2 horrible, I was looking forward to someone doing something about the /. UI.)

      I don't think they were misplaced. I mean, I don't think that the grousing was because the beta was opt-out. The anger was because "this is coming. And it's an absolute disaster."

      The Beta absolutely eviscerated the comments system. Slashdot is, first and foremost, about its comments, not its stories, not its editorials, but the user comments. The comments and discussions are the entire reason for coming, and the Beta was all too similar to other poorly-designed flashy sites that are all about flashy stories and ads, with comments added in as a half-functional afterthought. It's like the Beta design team had no idea what made Slashdot... Slashdot.

      It was a clear "fuck you" to the readers of the site that a system that was so clearly inferior would be put in place. There were more pictures, the story layout was... it was ok. But the comments section was awful and that's why there was such a firm revolt over it. Fuck Beta started popping up in every unrelated story because people knew, correctly, that if Beta went live, Slashdot would go the way of Digg. You couldn't have a more important discussion than that. The site shutting down. That's what we faced. Nothing less than a user revolt would save it, and so far (knock on wood), it's saved.

    138. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, we're talking community-consensus level "good."

      Is Justice good or bad? If you think that is an example of "people doing bad things for their personal `good' cause," you're an ignoramus.

    139. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      2) You hire some UXtards whose job it is to change things for change's sake.

      I have to absolutely agree with this point. This was the point of view of a developer on another website I frequent that was pondering major changes (and fortunately they sucked too much to be able to implement those changes), and I remember going back and forth here with a Slashdot designer who was brave enough to venture into a beta discussion, and his entire argument was "the website has to change! It's looked like this for a few years! It becomes stale and people hate it and we'll lose all of our readers because we didn't muck around with the layout!"

      This group of people seem to think that every website reader is an "if it's old, it's stupid" teenager. That someone could come along, think, "hmm, the site is pretty nice, maybe I'll poke around a bit," but if you showed them a screenshot from three years earlier, they would shriek "WWwwwwwhhaaaa? You mean it's looked like this the entire time? Forget it, I'm out. Why is it so fast? Shouldn't it have more javascript bogging down your browser? Where are all the sliding windows with auto-playing video ads? Look at all this space dedicated to the story and comments, shouldn't a website page be 20-25% content, max?"

    140. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      It seems like the sort of discussion that is supposed to be happening on Slashdot. It's nerd/tech/detail-obsessed site, a reasoned bullet list (and his points pretty well reflect what's happened on Slashdot and many other sites) doesn't seem out of place.

    141. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Really? Diablo 2 was my favorite out of the 3

      I really liked Diablo 2 as well, but the recent changes to Diablo 3 have just barely pushed it ahead for me.

    142. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I suppose that really shouldn't surprise me about HuffPo, which ranks up there with Fox News when it comes to journalistic standards.

    143. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Hadlock · · Score: 0

      No, this is like bringing up abortion in an economics discussion. It's intentionally inflammatory and only tangentially related at best. Maybe we should be discussing animal rights too, I just have to put it behind a bullet point and a well reasoned argument and it's ok to derail the whole discussion to advance my agenda, right? No. That's stupid. Let him start a newsletter about his issues and people can subscribe to it if they want, there's no reason to drag that topic in here today.

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    144. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, we're talking community-consensus level "good."

      Which is a kind of personal "good", where one advocates their own (personal) community over other communities. The GP hinted at it already, but the Nazis had a very strong consensus level on what "good" is for their blond haired blue eyed Aryan community (but you can't call them racist, some of their best Fuhrers don't have blond hair or blue eyes!)

      Is Justice good or bad?

      Depends. Universal justice for all? I'd say good, but I could be wrong since I haven't seen it exist anywhere in human history to properly assess. Community-consensus level justice in a world with more than just one community? Usually bad

    145. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The references on the GamerGate wiki are compete crap. Let's take one of the most important ones. The wiki claims:

      "Grayson first wrote a favourable article about game developer Zoe Quinn on 5 September 2012, which highlights her games and includes a link to her products.[31]"

      The reference goes to an article titled "Green For Greenlight: Valve Now Charging $100 Fee" and which includes a bit about Quinn but also other affected developers. A journalist speaking to their established contacts, what a scandal.

      Face it, the GG wiki is a steaming pile of shit designed solely to slander GG's opponents and give it a veneer of legitimacy, as a cover for harassment.

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    146. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      LOL, still refusing to remove those blinders. You have proven that you are instead a flaming idiot unable to read a little bit of evidence that proves you wrong.

      No point in engaging you any more. Enjoy your ignorance.

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    147. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Beta was unfinished, everyone knew that, so the grousing that somehow it was "clearly inferior" or would break Slashdot was completely misplaced. Slashdot made it clear from the start that this was being put out for feedback purposes, not because it was feature complete. They said it wasn't feature complete.

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    148. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why /. is done. There is an army of trolls like AmiMoJo who mod up their own ideological drivel and outright lies.

    149. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      Hey now, at least Fox News released a statement telling you what is actually "News" and what is not. HuffPo is just all editorials that say they are news.

    150. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      The moderation of the above post is just more evidence of the problem.

      Did I dare to question what SJW's are doing is right? Yes.
      Did I accuse all SJW's of being a problem? No - not even slightly.
      I asked for some recognition that both sides of the fence in the debate have bad eggs.

      So someone goes and accuses *all* gamergaters of being a problem. I try to be more reasonable, not only do I agree SOME are a problem, I then make a very reasonable claim that perhaps some SJW's are extremist and bad eggs too.
      I'm rewarded with downvotes, oh no, groupthink has spoken.

      It's clear from my posts, I'm an abusive "shitlord" someone who is obviously racist, homophobic, ignorant etc.
      It couldn't even be remotely possible that I'm just applying some common sense to a debate between 2 angry sides here, no sirree! by not towing the line, I MUST be a bad egg, a "troll" according to the moderation.

      And this exact behaviour, from the group, ever looking for more reasons to be offended, is precisely what "scares" people into doing more research into gamergate and the general SJW "culture".
      Censor anyone who doesn't agree, accuse them of racism, misogyny, etc and give them ALL labels, you're just making more people defensive even though the "primary" principles of SJW's are actually good things!
      As I said in my other posts, I've had very little luck finding anyone even remotely willing to discuss this sensibly is presicely why I found myself going from what I thought was a left leaning person, the other way.

      Keep up the great moderation, please. I'm definitely a bad and hateful guy here! Trying to push my agenda,... Anyone else reading this will likely wonder why I've suddenly been moderated in such a way and perhaps they too can do some reading into the hardcore "our way or the highway" SJW approach to discussion on the internet.

    151. Re:Everybody List What You Think Went Wrong by dwpro · · Score: 1

      the original claim was that a developer slept with a journalist in exchange for positive coverage of her game, which turned out to be completely and demonstrably untrue

      I haven't followed this very closely, but I hadn't heard that, do you have a source?

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  6. Has Netcraft confirmed it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they're keeping Beta, right? RIGHT?

  7. My $.02 by Zibodiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would love to see Slashdot purchased by an open-source-minded non-profit. That's the core audience, why not let the lunatics run the asylum?

    1. Re:My $.02 by Soulskill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would be awesome.

    2. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear Hear!

    3. Re:My $.02 by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's the price? The community could conceivably use some crowd-funding platform and everyone could pitch in $5 if they wanted to. I would imagine that ads could cover most of the hosting and bandwidth expenses and the community can just take turns filling the editor role such that the ongoing costs should be minimal. Anything extra could always go towards supporting open source development efforts.

    4. Re:My $.02 by Soulskill · · Score: 2

      No idea. I am not privy to such things.

    5. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this post up to +5 Troll and I'll start filing the needed paperwork. I'll keep organizational expenses low, but will work entirely by donations. Since I can't think of anyone more interested in donating to maintain an independent /., I will add funding drives (wikipedia style) every month that ad revenue and prior resources are insufficient to cover expenses.

    6. Re:My $.02 by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

      Kickstarter to save Slashdot and Sourceforge from the clutches of evil? So for how much will you be selling this non-profit?

    7. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are all the jobs safe? Anyone getting canned?

    8. Re:My $.02 by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems like it would be cheaper to just stand up your own Slashcode server and call it NextDot or something. I'd rather spend the money on hosting than give it to Dice.

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    9. Re:My $.02 by troylanes · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points for parent. A community owned slashdot would be ideal. Slashdot has been far too valuable of a resource for me personally and professionally to be at the mercy of evil corporate overlords with an agenda to sell its users as advertisement fodder.

    10. Re:My $.02 by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, maybe float the idea to the powers that be. I remember the Free Blender movement on /. being one of the first successful crowdsourcing efforts and thought a similar strategy would get as much (or better!) support here.

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    11. Re:My $.02 by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seems like it would be cheaper to just stand up your own Slashcode server and call it NextDot or something. I'd rather spend the money on hosting than give it to Dice.

      But then your 3-digit UID would be worthless! And my 6-digit one!! And think of the lost karma! Oh, the humanity!

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    12. Re:My $.02 by maestroX · · Score: 1

      I would love to see Slashdot purchased by an open-source-minded non-profit. That's the core audience, why not let the lunatics run the asylum?

      Start a crowdfund and make people subscribe with a yearly fee.
      Even lunatics need to be housed and fed to prevent them from escaping.

    13. Re:My $.02 by Soulskill · · Score: 1

      I will do so.

    14. Re:My $.02 by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Seems like it would be cheaper to just stand up your own Slashcode server and call it NextDot or something. I'd rather spend the money on hosting than give it to Dice.

      A bunch of them did. One that I signed up for even raised $350. There were lots of pledges of support, until it came time to actually agree on editorial principles. Then it turned out, the users all hated each other when it came down to brass tacks. Most of us came to slashdot because of a connection to free software or the open source movement. That includes everybody from radical communists to wild west libertarians. We're more likely to agree on what web framework to use than what editorial policies to have.

      There is no possible way for this community to be a community without a benevolent dictator.

    15. Re:My $.02 by zenbi · · Score: 1

      Like Soylent News and Pipedot?

    16. Re:My $.02 by GlennC · · Score: 1

      You mean like the folks at Soylent News did?

      They host it themselves, and accept donations...even in Bitcoin.

      https://soylentnews.org/

      My only association to SN is as a user.

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    17. Re:My $.02 by pr0nbot · · Score: 1

      You're in luck! The Mozilla Foundation have just announced their building slashdot into the core source of their browser.

    18. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and to add to that, I wouldn't donate dime one unless price/deal specifics made completely public.

    19. Re:My $.02 by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Make the slashdot UID the new UID for incoming ex-slashers. New users get numbers beyond the current max.

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    20. Re:My $.02 by Eristone · · Score: 1

      Previous sale price was $20 million in 2012. Arguments could be made for declining readership and fragmentation of the community - they could also be made for increasing readership etc. Low ball number would be $14 million... upper end is $28 million. No idea what the revenue is vs. expenses, and how much was being covered due to DHI's economy of scale vs. stuff just being left to rot and being milked (which would explain the most recent outages).

      Silliness sake - PowerBall is at 100 million - take home would be enough to make an all cash offer and still have money left for operating funds...

    21. Re:My $.02 by Megane · · Score: 1

      Any comment from the emacs development team about that? They can't let the feature gap get wider!

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    22. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What advertiser in their right mind would put ads on /.?
       
      Is there any community with higher adblock usage?

    23. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would gladly pitch in with $100 if I could help the website run without ads. I paid for ad-free Slashdot in the past, but there are still spyware scripts that run regardless of what you pay.

    24. Re:My $.02 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Blender only cost then â100,000. How much is Slashdot worth? Would the sell it without Sourceforge? TFA says that Slashdot Media is expected to pull in $15-16m this year. So it's not going to be cheap... $10m at least. And the group that took it over would have to incorporate and put a management structure in place to handle that kind of revenue.

      In other words I think that while it is an interesting idea, it's a lot more complex than buying Blender and uploading the source code somewhere was.

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    25. Re:My $.02 by kju · · Score: 1

      But then your 3-digit UID would be worthless!

      Isn't it already worthless now? Seriously.

    26. Re:My $.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That included salesforge. They are keeping salesforge, and selling just slashdot.

    27. Re:My $.02 by c · · Score: 2

      Isn't it already worthless now? Seriously.

      The real money is in short usernames... I hope.

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  8. DHI tried so hard to break /. but /. persists by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Maybe the next company will have more of a clue in managing the /. asset.

    1. Re:DHI tried so hard to break /. but /. persists by Kobun · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd like to see someone buy all three of Slashdot, Reddit and Digg. "SlashRedDigg, where trolls are the news."

  9. Hell, I'd buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be more than happy to chip in some scratch if it meant the new overlords rolled back the UI by a few years, and perhaps bought the editors some bifocals. A guy can dream...

    1. Re:Hell, I'd buy it by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Not with that amount of cash you can't..

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    2. Re: Hell, I'd buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, those would be some pretty big bifocals.

    3. Re:Hell, I'd buy it by cusco · · Score: 1

      Of course as an AC it wouldn't be possible to actually hold you to any sort of accountability so why not just volunteer to contribute a gazillion dollars? The last couple of years the number of Anonymous Cowards posting in every thread has exploded, while the average quality of their posts has deteriorated to only slightly better than what is found on Free Republic. I hope the buyer finds some way to get the AC plague under control. Something Awful got fed up enough they got rid of the Anon option entirely, and they never looked back.

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    4. Re:Hell, I'd buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you think he'd be buying it HERE, in a /. comment section, paying under the name of Anonymous Coward? How many purchases have you made in a message thread here? You're right in one regard, however. The post quality certainly has deteriorated over the past few years, but bone-headed comments such as yours are more to blame than GP.

  10. GOOD RIDDANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They came, they shat on, they left.

    1. Re:GOOD RIDDANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The behavior was so bad over at Sourceforge that it was probably illegal:

      https://forum.filezilla-projec...

  11. Now it's Zoidberg's turn! by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a website read by NERDS, not people wearing business suits.

    If you want to make money with this website, don't do the same stupid mistakes as DHI Group Inc.

    Keep the news and topics nerds-related. Make sure you have nerds on your staff to manage the website and keep your hands off everything.

    1. Re:Now it's Zoidberg's turn! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Agreed, the lack of nerdish news threads makes one less likely to visit.

      If I wanted reddit or some other clickbait slushpile, I'd be on reddit or some other clickbait slushpile.

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    2. Re:Now it's Zoidberg's turn! by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      This is a website read by NERDS, not people wearing business suits.

      I've been using this site, well for a long time. Clothes do not make the nerd nor does it distinguish a nerd from a non-nerd. Now go back to your mom's basement in your Red Dwarf T-Shirt smeghead.

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    3. Re:Now it's Zoidberg's turn! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Newsflash, this site dates back to when nerds wore pocket protectors, and often even ties. At least, to dinner. Not at work, obviously, nerds are too important to be subjected to dress codes. Then the internet bubble happened, and people from the wrestling team realized they could make money studying computers, and then the asserted that that makes them "nerds" too. Then eventually we got gamergate.

  12. Kickstarter? by moosehooey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe we can buy it and make it not-for-profit or something. Does anyone know how much they're asking?

    1. Re:Kickstarter? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      I don't know but I'm ready to put 100 Dogecoins on it.

    2. Re:Kickstarter? by What'sInAName · · Score: 1

      Maybe we can buy it and make it not-for-profit or something. Does anyone know how much they're asking?

      This was, seriously, the quote at the bottom of the page -- right below your post:

      "If you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it."

      LOL

    3. Re:Kickstarter? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The way DICE has treated it, it's worth about whatever I can find stuck between the lint at the bottom of the pockets of my pants. Everything they've done in the last 12-24 months has only served to devalue the site.

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    4. Re:Kickstarter? by ffsnjb · · Score: 1

      I came here to suggest the same. Kickstarter to fund the creation of a new legal entity, with the pledges becoming shares in that new entity. I'm in with some pledge money, I just don't have the time to do it.

      It'd be fantastic if CmdrTaco came back to lead the new entity.

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    5. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fork it, (like the soylent news guys did). You could call yourself colon-slash if you're planning to expel all the shit that goes up round here.

    6. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what should DICE have done to add value to the site and turn it into a money-maker?

    7. Re:Kickstarter? by Dadoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Does anyone know how much they're asking?

      Given the rough estimate of a company's value (if it's not publicly traded) is about 4 times its yearly profits, I'd say Slashdot is worth somewhere between $12m and $16m.

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    8. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely nothing. The problem was trying to monetize it. The problem is ALWAYS trying to monetize something community driven. G.R.E.E.D.

    9. Re:Kickstarter? by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't have bought it to be a money-maker in the first place but just cover salary and bandwidth with the ad revenue. Before they started mucking everything up they almost certainly had enough traffic for it. According to the press release they lost 22% of their revenue the last quarter attributed to /. and yet still made about $4 million. How many people work on this site and how much do the servers/bandwidth cost?

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    10. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the links shows their earnings report... They say they categorize it as "held for sale"...

      Assets Held for Sale: $4,416,000
      Liabilities Held for Sale: $2,704,000

      So assuming that's all Slashdot (Those numbers are zero for Dec 2014), looks like they're valuing it at $1.7 million.

      (Heh... Captcha: "accost")

    11. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really like the idea of a KickStarter campaign, but I think it'd be a massive challenge to make it happen...

      Looking at the report, the Slashdot Media part of the business has assets of $4,416k, with liabilities of $2,704k.

      They forecast full year revenues, adjusted EBITDA and profit of $18 - $20 mm, $5 - $6 mm, and $3 - $4 mm respectively.

      Realistically, if they can find the right buyer, they could be looking at anywhere between $60-180m. Admittedly, the fact that they've failed to monetize it suggests valuation would be at the lower end of that scale, but nevertheless, still well outside the KickStarter range...

    13. Re:Kickstarter? by Holi · · Score: 4, Funny

      So it really is worth nothing then?

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    14. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the links shows their earnings report... They say they categorize it as "held for sale"...

      Assets Held for Sale: $4,416,000
      Liabilities Held for Sale: $2,704,000

      So assuming that's all Slashdot (Those numbers are zero for Dec 2014), looks like they're valuing it at $1.7 million.

      (Heh... Captcha: "accost")

      Your numbers are good, but your finance-fu is not.

      Valuation = (Assets - Liabilities) * (a hidden number from someone like Accenture or Goldman)
      So,
      $4,416,000 - $2,704,000 = $1.7 billion

    15. Re:Kickstarter? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      So what should DICE have done to add value to the site and turn it into a money-maker?

      The first thing would be to understand that slashdot is not something that needs to be turned into a moneymaker.
      There was no need to add value to the site as it was already perfectly fine as far as the clientele were concerned. The only improvement would be perhaps a single readthrough of the article submission before posting it.

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    16. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, as soon as you start to talk about money, most neckbeards here will turn tail and move to another site.

      Huge talk, nothing more.

    17. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the links shows their earnings report... They say they categorize it as "held for sale"...

      Assets Held for Sale: $4,416,000 Liabilities Held for Sale: $2,704,000

      So assuming that's all Slashdot (Those numbers are zero for Dec 2014), looks like they're valuing it at $1.7 million.

      (Heh... Captcha: "accost")

      Your numbers are good, but your finance-fu is not.

      Valuation = (Assets - Liabilities) * (a hidden number from someone like Accenture or Goldman) So, $4,416,000 - $2,704,000 = $1.7 billion

      s/billion/million

    18. Re:Kickstarter? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If there was a missing word "projected" in there, then you fell victim to being credulous of numbers in press releases.

      They planned to make a bunch of money selling us junk because many users have high incomes. Then they found out, we're allergic to advertising, and grew up pre-spam-filter; we know intuitively not to click their links that make it past the filter. I'm surprised they didn't lose 98% of their projected revenue.

    19. Re:Kickstarter? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I came here to suggest the same. Kickstarter to fund the creation of a new legal entity, with the pledges becoming shares in that new entity. I'm in with some pledge money, I just don't have the time to do it.

      It'd be fantastic if CmdrTaco came back to lead the new entity.

      If Taco came back, it would work. But I think he has better things to do. I hope so, anyways. Without him, it is easy for everybody to think they could do a great job running the place. And I don't doubt, most of these people talking about crowdfunding could indeed do a better job at their own personal nits. However, I doubt any of them could actually run it in a way that would appeal to the long-term luserbase.

    20. Re:Kickstarter? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      $1.7m is basically, "it is worthless but has a known minor brand name."

    21. Re:Kickstarter? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Actually I disagree. Slashdot could have been a phenomenal money maker and being a money maker brings nice things. What they needed to do was to leave the core part of the site untouched except for improvements such as unicode and looking to find a way to tweak some of the moderation bombing and then used the captive audience to feed other business areas. To see the ultimate example of that have a look at google. They didn't ever mess with search but they used it to push other services they could make money with.

      If you had a base of slashdot users you could have built an effective news publication around them. The users would give you information on what they find interesting and act as free news hounds. You could write articles with traditional advertising in them that then linked in to the slashdot discussions. You spawn a site called slashnews and you leave slashdot alone. Once you had some of the original slashdot traffic moving through your wider network you open up more and more ways to monetise that traffic without pissing off the original community. Then the original community can start to benefit from things you would do to bring more people in, such as curated Q&A sessions, brining in subject matter experts to explain things in more detail etc.

    22. Re:Kickstarter? by Zmee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd say Slashdot is worth somewhere between $12m and $16m.

      So in roughly 3 years, Dice/DHI slashed Slashdot's value by $4M to $8M (or 20% to 40%) from when it was purchased at $20M (Dice buys ... Slashdot ... in $20M deal).

    23. Re:Kickstarter? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that they're coming in way below their yearly outlook which said:

      Revenue:
      $18 - $20 mm
      Adjusted EBITDA:
      $5 - $6 mm
      Net income:
      $3 - $4 mm

      But later they're giving Q2 figures saying for the last 6 months:

      Revenue:
      7,667 mm
      Adjusted EBITDA:
      0,852 mm
      Net income:
      0,316 mm

      If the last half of the year is the same, they're only making about 15%-20% of their planned net income. In fact, the last quarter they made no money at all. So I'm thinking way, way less.

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    24. Re:Kickstarter? by cusco · · Score: 1

      what should DICE have done to add value to the site
       
        Eliminate the Anonymous Cowards.

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    25. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eliminate the Anonymous Cowards.

      Why not go further? Why not force everyone to use their Social Security number as their ID and submit a blood sample before submitting a comment correcting a small factual error in someone's fifteen-paragraph manifesto about the Micronauts?

    26. Re:Kickstarter? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Well why buy something if you can't monetize it? Community-based? Does the community pay for the servers? Does the community pay staff salaries? (I did donate to Slashdot, way back when, but not many people did that) Where does the substantial amount of money that it takes to run a major website come from? Why gives that money?

      People who cry foul that "it's about the money" aren't the ones paying the bills.

    27. Re:Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no way we could crowdfund $1M

  13. Beta... by bengoerz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even Dice hates it now.

  14. Kickstarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crowdsource this shit!

  15. "Business as usual"? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    That sounds like terrible news. Really, it would be hard to have a less coherent business plan than the ones that have been used thus far.

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  16. I'll bid a dollah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even though fiddy cents is a bit much already.

  17. Sugar Daddies? by Hartree · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey, any of you Slashdot geeks won the lottery lately and have lotsa money you don't know what to do with?

    Just think, you could be the new hero riding in on your shining horse to save us all! (Until we all become disillusioned with you, and we'll flame you like we have everyone else. :) )

    1. Re:Sugar Daddies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new nerd-owner elite could have their name used the same way CowboyNeil had his used in polls.

    2. Re:Sugar Daddies? by evilviper · · Score: 2

      /. is just an empty name, and it has less value than ever. All the best parts of /. can and have been forked.

      SoylentNews is like HuffingtonPost on slashcode, while PipeDot is a working rewrite of slashcode that kept the sci/tech focus and high standards, but hasn't managed to build a big community of users so far. Just pointing /. readers to Pipedot instead would do the job, and rescue millions of dollars from Dice's pockets.

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    3. Re:Sugar Daddies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      /. is just an empty name, and it has less value than ever. All the best parts of /. can and have been forked.

      Disagree. You point out sites such as SoylentNews and PipeDot, but the thing Slashdot has that said sites don't are the audience, the commenters. Those sites are completely barren for conversation, and that's the primary reason I still go to Slashdot - not so much for timely postings of stories, but the insightful commentary.

    4. Re:Sugar Daddies? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I believe in quality over quantity, and /. doesn't have the intelligent conversations with knowledgeable people that it once did. They've nearly all fled.

      I learned a huge amount from submitting stories to Soylent and Pipedot, and comparing them to the crud was on Slashdot at the time... Namely, /. likes to publish a completely inaccurate and twisted stories any idiot knows is slanted and wrong, and then 99% of the comments are made-up of people correcting (and ranting about) the bad story. If you don't publish such crap, you can have informative discussions with 1% of the audience...

      In addition, it's the very few, high-quality commentors that make the site, not the rest of the horde. You can have a very small community, as long as it contains a few very smart people, and have just as much insightful conversation. I saw it working wonderfully back in the early days of /. but there's nothing of value left here, now. If Pipedot can continue to maintain the high signal-to-noise ratio as it grows, it *could* be better than /. ever was. But who knows what the future may hold...

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  18. I hope they don't fire the editors by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    I hope they don't toss the editors out on the street!

    1. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      No kidding. They need to be dropped on to the street from a very high altitude.

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    2. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with readership base like the above poster, is it any wonder?
      its been a good run, /. rest in pepperoni.

    3. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You really hate this place, right?

    4. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I, for one, think the editors will welcome they're new non-DICE overlords. Let's hope for everyone's sake, this idea catches on.

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    5. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I was just being mischievous. I think the editors are... adequate.

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    6. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      I, for one, think the editors will welcome they're new non-DICE overlords. Let's hope for everyone's sake, this idea catches on.

      "their"

      Remember, it is never too late to go back to school.

    7. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by Dragonslicer · · Score: 0

      I hope they don't toss the editors out on the street!

      What editors?

    8. Re:I hope they don't fire the editors by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      the editors will welcome they're new

      Hopefully the new platform will still support irony.

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  19. Obligatory by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  20. Maybe the Systemd Foundation could buy /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys feel like working for Lennart?

    1. Re:Maybe the Systemd Foundation could buy /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lennart already has two forums, why would he need a third?

      Then again, I guess neowin and tenforums don't mind the competition. I can imagine them saying, "Welcome back into the fold!" instead.

    2. Re:Maybe the Systemd Foundation could buy /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better, moot could buy it. Turn Slashdot into /g/.

    3. Re:Maybe the Systemd Foundation could buy /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just.... No.

    4. Re:Maybe the Systemd Foundation could buy /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEEDS MORE CHAN

  21. Does this mean Bennett Haselton will be fired? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 5, Funny

    From a cannon, perhaps? Please?!?

    1. Re:Does this mean Bennett Haselton will be fired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a cannon, perhaps? Please?!?

      What do you have against cannons? Why, just last week I passed a statue of a cannon in Some Obscure Park That Means Something To Me, and what I saw there made me think about how cannons have [65536 bytes of drivel snipped] on Slashdot. What do you think?

  22. Ya think, DiNozzo? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    [DHI], however, has not successfully leveraged the Slashdot user base to further Dice's digital recruitment business;

    Maybe they should have, I don't know, worked on making their "recruitment business" less of a steaming pile of sub-mediocrity? It's been a joke since before they started shitting all over slashdot and chased most of the users who might have been valuable enough to "leverage."

    And Sourceforge? Christ, even that NAME is a liability now.

    1. Re:Ya think, DiNozzo? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As bad as what they did to Slashdot has been, I feel Sourceforge got shafted far, far worse.

      I mean, the Slashvertisements and other abortive attempts to ram Dice content down our throats really weren't all that surprising. If anything, the only surprise was that they thought it work in the first place, especially given how ham-handed they were about doing it.

      With Sourceforge, however, they were basically caught injecting malware/crapware into downloads. That's about as shady as it gets, and it's going to be extremely hard to get anyone to trust code from there in the future. It would be like... I don't know, maybe if Slashdot was discovered to have been running disinformation/propaganda campaigns for the government/intelligence agencies or something that were paying Dice for it.

    2. Re:Ya think, DiNozzo? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2

      >With Sourceforge, however, they were basically caught injecting malware/crapware into downloads. That's about as shady as it gets, and it's going to be extremely hard to get anyone to trust code from there in the future.

      In order to "maximize the synergy", they should sell SourceForge to Sony. You'd know exactly what you were getting with their products.

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  23. Would five dollars do it? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I think I can rummage that much up for this site. Given what I've seen around here lately I would expect $5 would cover the expenses of this site for everything but the web hosting costs (which shouldn't be awful considering how few people still read this site). I could probably get the other users to kick in $5 each as well, as we could really have a party.

    Or do we have to buy sourceforge in the same purchase as well? That is actually worth something. We might need a banker.

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  24. Hold on! by BobSwi · · Score: 1

    Can't handle this roller coaster, almost as much drama as reddit. /s

  25. Bye Bye Dicebags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    next will be your shitty little job site...

  26. Well........ by genner · · Score: 1

    bye.

    1. Re:Well........ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See you tomorrow?

  27. DHI is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    You are all cows. Cows say moo. MOOOOOOOOOOO! MOOOOOOOOOOO! Moo cows MOOOOOOOO! Moo say the cows. YOU COWS!!

    1. Re:DHI is for cows. by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      I finally agree with you, sexconker!

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  28. Too funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd just noticed the new and improved DHI sign on the Dice.com headquarters across the road from where I work.

    When someone asked who they were, I specifically mentioned slashdot.org, which quite a few of my co-workers frequent.

    Oh the irony.

  29. assumed it would. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Beta is awful, thats just a fact of life and so many others have confirmed it in this thread. Among other reasons this turd is being sent to auction:

    s/audience/community. you did that to yourselves, you could have undone it any time you wanted to. we're respected professionals, not a captive audience. we are intelligent enough to run this site. and many, many others like it.

    slashvertisements. how much more do you need to milk from this site. Theres a reason people put "slashdot without adblock is awful" in their sigs. we never asked for videos.

    The layout has gone to shit. Look at soylentnews.org, now back at yourself, now back at soylentnews. note how soylent listened to its users and implemented SSL? they never added tags, they never forced new icons for every iota of topic, and nobody pushed like and share on all social media abilities.

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    1. Re:assumed it would. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      The video ads are what I hate the most.

      Autoplay was the beginning of the loss of audience for slashdot.

      More tech, more geek. Polls that are actually funny and geeky.

      That's what engages us.

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    2. Re:assumed it would. by nnet · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the pointer to soylentnews.

    3. Re:assumed it would. by nnet · · Score: 1

      Yup....trying to load/view this site at work became intrusive, and annoying. Not exactly the experience that drives more traffic to the site. I like what I see at soylentnews.org too.

    4. Re:assumed it would. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It says a lot about people when they claim to be nerds, but they were running around the internet with autoplay turned on.

      The nerds on the site never would have known about it, except for Mr Coward whining about it. It is disgusting, for sure, but the technical fix should have already been applied on the client side given the median quality of the internet.

    5. Re:assumed it would. by raind · · Score: 1

      Ah the videos, like we can't read faster than watch. I still like reading some of the comments, from some users anyway.

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    6. Re:assumed it would. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      The video ads are what I hate the most.

      Autoplay was the beginning of the loss of audience for slashdot.

      Exactly this. Years ago /. said "we really like you, so you can turn ads off". Well, I really like /., so I said to myself, said I, "I don't mind a few ads. Once in a blue moon I'll actually click on something interesting. I don't mind /. making some bucks."

      And then load times started getting annoying. Then...Autoplay!

      I have now de-selected ads.

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  30. Re:Gamergate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Re:Gamergate

    Please keep your twitter nonsense on twitter.

  31. WOOHOO!! by neo-mkrey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally news for nerds that matters.

  32. Interesting in the report by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    They mention plans to sell Slashdot Media and SourceForge... Then the rest of the financial report only talks about Slashdot Media and nothing about SF.

    Perhaps they realized they utterly destroyed SF to the point where it's an unrecoverable lost cause.

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    1. Re:Interesting in the report by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      They mention plans to sell Slashdot Media and SourceForge... Then the rest of the financial report only talks about Slashdot Media and nothing about SF...

      Slashdot Media comprises both Slashdot, (this site) and SourceForge, so yes, they are planning to sell both. I don't think that means that both divisions will necessarily go to the same buyer; heck, Dice might not manage to sell either division, never mind both of them...

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    2. Re:Interesting in the report by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a package deal is in order... buy /. get SF free!

  33. Eventuality? by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

    How many unique visitors does this site get anymore? For many years I would visit this site daily for the in depth discussions of technical news. Sadly, with the scooping by sometimes days by other news or congregator sites, I seem to only visit once a week now. Even the number of comments shown for each story is way down. It's as if our beloved /. is a shell of what it once was because the community left and moved on to other sites. With the declining revenue, anyone could see this coming.

    1. Re:Eventuality? by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hint:

      An article about yet-another-buyout / possible closedown of the site gets 150-ish comments, most of them crowing on how bad DHI have treated us.

      I'm pretty low-numbered nowadays, yet I used to be the "newbie" on here.

      The Reg gets more comments per article and has a lot more articles. Even SoylentNews gets not-much-less than Slashdot does and that's basically a startup Slash-clone.

      Site is not what it was, it would be quite a trick to bring it back now.

    2. Re:Eventuality? by jfengel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It has the advantage of once having been worth something. People have a fondness for it. It might tempt back some of the old users. Social networks have an advantage in that they're worth more when more people are there, and that history might just barely let them leverage that.

      The main value of the site, at least to me, was always its user base. I didn't RTFA because the commenters would often be able to give me a better summary of what was really going on. Especially when TFA was clickbait; I could see why it was clickbait without having to read it myself. Or for sciencey stuff that's out of my domain, Slashdot often had people who could explain it at my level. (That is, more than the average layman, but less than a grad student in that field.)

      I'm not gonna get my hopes up, but I'll note that I'm still here, though mostly lurking. There may be others waiting for an improvement to the site's management to contribute more.

    3. Re:Eventuality? by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      Are you sure there is really that much "technical news?" It seems to me there is very little that is new compared to 15 years ago. Are there any popular new OSes? Programming languages? A new company that makes products for the little guy? The maker stuff is the only thing new. A new version of old software isn't news. People hating on each other isn't news unless it goes felony.

    4. Re:Eventuality? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Well said. Yes. I'd mod you up, I have the points, but I've posted, so the broken slashcode won't let me. So kudos, anyway.

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      I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
    5. Re:Eventuality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't post in and moderate the same discussion. That's not new, that's by design.

    6. Re:Eventuality? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The Register has articles on topics I find interesting, but the "whimsical" British styling tests my patience. I don't want to see the word "boffin" in every other headline (or any headline, for that matter), or a CAPITALIZED word for emphasis. The site is too loud, gaudy, and grating for prolonged viewing.

    7. Re:Eventuality? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      "The main value of the site, at least to me, was always its user base." Absolutely. I also don't RTFA, because of the reasons that you stated. I'm guessing at this point I might RTFA 1-5% of the time.

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    8. Re:Eventuality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SoylentNews definitely gets MUCH less than Slashdot.

      "Site is not what it was?" Subjective, though I tend to agree.

  34. Kickstarter to buy out slashdot? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    What would it cost to buy out slashdot, presuming it was running at a profit with a skeleton crew before it was sold to dice? Form a non profit, buy the site, rights, etc etc. $2 million? Is slashdot even worth that much? Would they take $300,000 in return for perpetual dice.com banner ads or something? Their tax lawyers would be able to write it off as a loss/capital gain and shareholders could swallow it due to the perpetual advertising presence. We could keep the existing staff and just turn it back in to the independent walled garden it was at one point.
     
    If dice.com, an IT jobs site, could not turn a profit with this, and weren't able to monetize slashdot without destroying what little value it had, I doubt the market value is much more than 95% of the current ad revenue they're getting. These sorts of sites aren't really geared towards being sold to the highest bidder, as the community is ready to walk at any point so you're kind of stuck with the revenue it's already generating via banner ads.
     
    Maybe they could just gift it to the community with the advertising condition? We all knew the buyout was a terrible idea, maybe it's time to just give back the site.

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    1. Re:Kickstarter to buy out slashdot? by imidan · · Score: 2

      $2 million? Is slashdot even worth that much? Would they take $300,000 in return for perpetual dice.com banner ads or something?

      Well, when Dice bought Geeknet media properties Slashdot, SourceForge, and Freecode three years ago, they paid $20 million for the bundle. All three sites have undergone significant decline since then (Freecode is basically dead), but I very much doubt that Dice plans to take that big a loss on the sale.

    2. Re:Kickstarter to buy out slashdot? by Lodlaiden · · Score: 1

      Post b/c no mod points today.

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    3. Re:Kickstarter to buy out slashdot? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      They may not plan to...

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  35. Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by random+coward · · Score: 2

    I expect the end is near for slashdot. Its been a nice run, but all things must come to an end. Either it doesn't get sold and shutdown or it gets sold to someone who used the domain names for something else, but slashdot is now in hospice.

    So long and thanks for all the fish!

    1. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 2

      Slashdot has been bought and sold several times before. I don't think we need to panic -- yet.

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    2. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not saying I know who's going to buy it, but a little birdie told me the new name is going to be "Trump News For Nerds".

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    3. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      LOL, well at least that won't be Rupert like someone else suggested.

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    4. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      has netcraft confirmed it yet?

    5. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I can see it now:

      "Slashdot: Bad Hair for Billionaires; Stuff that still does not matter."

      --

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      "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
    6. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What looks worse, Trumps hair or Beta?

    7. Re:Goodbye Slashdot! Been a nice run by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      It's gonna be HUGE!

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  36. bad content by nnet · · Score: 1

    The site has become unviewable due to flash and other stupidity used for advertising tying up CPU.

    1. Re:bad content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, slashdot is like a cheap whore, she gets constantly resold, yet we come back for more

    2. Re:bad content by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I suggest flash block or whatever you have to do to prevent flash loading by default in general. Terrible sites require flash- slashdot just offers it, and works fine without.

    3. Re:bad content by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you're still using flash without any blockers in 2015, wow. Gramps, meds.

    4. Re:bad content by grouchomarxist · · Score: 1

      Use a Flash blocker.

  37. Potential Buyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since sourceforge is also part of the package, it might be nice if github bought them...

  38. The Last Bastion by xenotransplant · · Score: 1

    People here don't use "fail" as a noun, and we don't think everything is epic. Please, oh great and mighty flying spaghetti monster, don't let the next owner turn /. into another digg.

  39. Re:Fuck, we need a new acronym! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    [X] CowboyNeal made me, you insensitive clod!

  40. Yay no more stupid videos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, guess they realized noone on /. likes having stupid videos crammed down their throat.
    Videos are 5x slower than reading

    1. Re:Yay no more stupid videos! by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Videos are 5x slower than reading

      Yep. And they're extremely difficult to deal with contextually, unless you take the time to generate a full transcript - ugh. So (a) waste your time watching, (b) waste your time writing up a transcript, (c) take the time to post... and (d) everyone has already moved on.

      Most video "stories" are for droolers. If you can't write it up, it often isn't worth saying. Exceptions being movies of Pluto, that sort of science-y goodness. I don't think I've ever seen *anything* on the idiot box that was worth a full page of actual cogent explanation. And "interviews".... ffs, just write it down.

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  41. Low GayWAD Membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GayWAD really tried to turn this place around. Free enrollment, no adware or malware bundles, encouragement of safe trolling practices, acceptance of all comers, no faux-misogynist agenda. And they weren't racist like their predecessor union.

    (X) I met some nice people on Slashdot

    Rest in peace, GayWAD. Slashdot, goodnight sweet prince.

  42. Slashdot might be worth $100,000 by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I figure Slashdot can't be worth more than about $100,000 USD. Valuing SourceForge is a bit more complicated. A lot of traffic, but major damage to the brand lately.

    Something like. Kickstarter, or a purchase by a successful community member or three, isn't out of the question.

  43. Damn it, foiled again by Dazza · · Score: 1

    I'm moving house next week and that was going to bring my number of house moves equal to slashdot owners since I've been a member.

    And then this happens.

    Damn you all!

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    -- "I know that this is vitriol, no solution, spleen-venting, but I feel better having screamed, don't you ?"
  44. The Shining by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    REDDIT! REDDIT! REDDIT!

    I told you people!

    ¾ ¾ somethin' about a filter

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  45. My two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't try and increase the pageviews or market share. Focus on your original audience of nerds who work in IT and you will keep the audience you have.

    Cut back on the high-response, low-quality articles about politics and personality, and stick to news about machines, programming languages, and science / engineering breakthroughs. News articles that are actually useful for your readership. Sociopolitical stories with a technology slant are weak sauce and belong on lesser sites like reddit.

    The Register is a good example of a site that caters to its audience with a wide range of informative and entertaining articles. Try to replicate their mix of topics.

    Get rid of the blatant attempts at getting money from us (like Slashdot Deals). It's sleazy and I doubt you make any money on it.

    If you're going to tweak the web page design, make a better mobile site and cut back on the javascript.

  46. Hostile Takeover by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I've offered them 14,500 bottle caps and $100 in NCR money. They want me to throw in 12 bottles of Nuka-Cola and a box of Fancy Lad Snacks because of some contractual obligation to Pudge.

    We're still in negotiations. If I end up buying the place, I plan to paint it green and forward the link it to Soylent News.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  47. You forgot the awful moderation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The moderation has been particularly awful lately. Many perfectly fine comments get modded down to -1. Usually they don't even show the reason for the downmod. It's even getting common to see stories with only a few comments, and all have been modded down. Moderation mistakes are to be expected, of course, but a lot of these downmoddings appear to be targeted. It isn't just GNAA or BSD-is-dying trolls being downmodded, but rather people who have dared to present an independent viewpoint. It's getting to be like Reddit or Hacker News, where if you don't barf out whatever has been deemed to be the "correct viewpoint" then you're treated as a pariah and downmodded without restraint. It wasn't always like this. Dissent and disagreement used to be one of the best parts of /.'s discussions.

    1. Re:You forgot the awful moderation. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Oh dear. I'm agreeing with AC. I'm not sure what it was that I said that started it but if a post of mine is deemed to be worth getting +1'd to 4 or higher I will get overrated modifications put on within 24hrs. Of course my posts could always be over-rated, but it only started happening about 3-4 months ago.

    2. Re:You forgot the awful moderation. by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go out on a limb here and just say that if you are taking how you get modded too seriously, you probably need to back off the internet and get some fresh air.

    3. Re:You forgot the awful moderation. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      As went America, so went Slashdot.

    4. Re:You forgot the awful moderation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't always like this.

      It has been like this for at least ten years.

  48. Buy a small lake, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    then piss in it every day for three years or so, and invite your corporate buddies to do the same. Wonder why fewer and fewer people come by for a swim, and why you can't make any money from fishing in the lake. Sell it, probably at a loss, and move on to your next 'conquest'. Way to go Dice!

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    1. Re:Buy a small lake, by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      Well at $4+ million/year earned income they could sell it for about $8 million and still come out roughly even. Note that this also includes Sourceforge which presumably requires a lot more capital and people than the /. website alone.

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  49. I hear... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    ...Ellen Pao and Tommy Craggs are looking for new opportunities.

  50. Nick Denton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear he's trying to unload Gawker Media. Maybe when he does he could then buy Slashdot. Imagine the possiblities.

    captcha:stupid ;)

  51. Sell it cheap. by ledow · · Score: 1

    AKA "Fuck, we can't make money by just buying an established site and then trying to shove our shit into it without consideration of our userbase".

    To be honest, I'm already elsewhere - even paying to go elsewhere in some cases. Slashdot is just nostalgia nowadays. Partly because of the various DHI "user monetisation" cockups.

  52. could be worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could be getting sold to some rag like jezebel.com lol.. or infowars

  53. Will they keep the ability by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    for me and others to comment about the story with out reading it first? If not I'm out of there...

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    1. Re:Will they keep the ability by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If not, how would they tell you? Fear not, as long as you don't read it, you'll never know!

  54. Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how much is Microsoft paying? Do tell...

  55. Bitcoins? Quaatlus? by tekrat · · Score: 1

    I bid 25 Quaatlus on the newcomer!

    The question is; can you buy Slashdot with Bitcoin?

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  56. LOL wow! by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    "We couldn't destroy the forum because the users complained, so we've gotta sell!"

  57. Re:Fuck, we need a new acronym! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK, is that you?

  58. Editor's Note? by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    When did they get an editor?

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  59. You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You've basically just described SoylentNews, a Slashdot clone that appeared when the Slashdot Beta shit really started heating up.

    And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even!

    That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity.

    The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike.

    The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there.

    We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions.

    1. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nah, we'd already be starting with the community and not from scratch. The goal would be keeping folks happy by providing them what they wanted and leaving it at that. I am a member at Soylent though I have not gone in ages. I do not think it would be anything like that. I mostly believe this because it is not a starting community but a community as a whole.

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    2. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Looks like somebody's afraid of Soylent News. Your +5 post seemingly came out of nowhere, with no prompting. How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

      " And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even! "

      No flags, no articles masquerading as stories, no users who are corporate sockpuppets as there are here.

      " That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity. "

      It's small because the users are real, not corporate sockpuppets, and the community is still growing. It has a long way to go but it's already better than this place.

      " The few remaining normal users tend to get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike. "

      People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

      " The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier. The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software. Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there. "

      There is some overlap, but the more political stories encourage discussion from all (dissenting viewpoints included) and your assertion that stories are not about math/tech/computing/software are complete bullshit. As examples, this, this, this, this, and this all in the past 2 days alone.

      " We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot. As bad as things may seem here, they are nowhere near as bad as at SoylentNews, in my view. At least there are some normal users here. Letting the extremists run the show here, too, would just drive away these normal users, resulting in yet another imbalanced, biased environment where moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions."

      There are plenty of "normal" users at Soylent News, in not only the unextreme sense but the "real-and-not-a-corporate-sockpuppet" sense. And most importantly, there aren't any corporate sponsors or advertisers who have a stake in deciding what can or can't go into and be modded down in the discussions. Now, whether or not SN will sell out to Dice in another 15 years, I can't say. What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

      Signed,
      -- A Longtime Slashdot and now Soylent News Reader

    3. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by evilviper · · Score: 5, Informative

      You've basically just described SoylentNews, a Slashdot clone that appeared when the Slashdot Beta shit really started heating up.

      SoylentNews never aspired to be anything like slashdot. Instead NCommander stated clearly "SoylentNews intends to be a source of journalism", which just resulted in it becoming HuffingtonPost with discussion, instead of a /. replacement.

      The only direct replacement for /. that appeared was PipeDot. "pipedot intends to be a better slashdot". https://pipedot.org/comment/2C... Unfortunately, the word hardly got out, and readership over there is pretty low.

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    4. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by purple_cobra · · Score: 1

      Really? Can't say as I've had the same experience. The site is pretty small compared to slashdot. Are you thinking of pipedot? (disclaimer: I haven't looked at pipedot in a good few months and have no idea how things are there ATM; they may be awesome, they may not. Check that out too!) Anyway, feel free to test the waters at soylentnews.org If your personal experience is that it's as bad as this AC suggest, just delete your account and don't go there again. Simple.

    5. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've basically just described SoylentNews, ....

      The one saving grace of that site used to be that it'd get stories faster than Slashdot, often days earlier. However now submissions are appearing at the same time or even slower than on Slashdot and they'll get a 1/3 to a 1/10 as many comments as they do here. The discussions on articles die really fast, if there was any real discussion to begin with. If Slashdot improves with the departure of DICE then there will be even less reason for SoylentNews to exist, especially after Beta had been canned sometime back.

    6. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by demachina · · Score: 2

      I would mostly agree with parent. Soylent is fine execpt the community isnt big enough so the comments are barely there or worth reading, the name is kind of bad and the stories are routinely just old enough to be yesterdays news on Slashdot or Hacker news.

      Their Twitter feed, which is where I get my news feeds, also puts these really annoying lame "from the deptâ attempts at humor in the tweets instead of just the title of the story and the link:

      Razer Acquires Ouya Software Assets, Ditches Hardware from the kicked-down dept

      They will even thorten the title to make room for the utterly stupid âoefrom theâ.

      The best solution to replace Slashdot would probably be if Hacker news grafted the classic Slashdot look, commenting and moderation system on to their generally good stories and great community.

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    7. Re: You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No articles masquerading as stories... WTF is this, I don't even

    8. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SoylentNews never aspired to be anything like slashdot. Instead NCommander stated clearly "SoylentNews intends to be a source of journalism", which just resulted in it becoming HuffingtonPost with discussion, instead of a /. replacement.

      So it's like DailyKos, only with SlashCode instead of Scoop?

    9. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original submissions are typically from the extremists, and usually focus on some obscure and minor political controversy somewhere, typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software.

      You just described slashdot, what with all the "feminist" anti-male articles.

    10. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We run good content and comments all the time over at SoylentNews. We have less submissions to choose from, so more so-called "extremist" and political content makes it to the front page. I think you'll find that all of the "extremist" views are expressed over here as well, and in the tech community in general. Our slogan doesn't exclude political content, but we don't exclusively run political stories. And your assertion that "Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there" is simply false.

      The only interesting thing about your comment is that you mentioned a better site than Slashdot.

    11. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "get modded out of the community quite quickly, merely for daring to express ideas that the extremists dislike."

      Modded out? Yet 'extreme' viewpoints are still there? Logic is 20/20. If extreme viewpoints are still allowed to post there, how are the centrist regurgitators of ideas weeded out?

    12. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by myrdos2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to admit, your post does sound a little, well, angry and extremist.

      How about letting your users go there and see for themselves just how "extremist" it is?

      Do... do we have some way of stopping them?

      People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

      I think what he meant is that people get tired of being modded down all the time and leave.

      What I can say is that a lot of the assertions you are making are bullshit, and you should leave it up to the few remaining non-corporate-sockpuppet users you have to decide for themselves.

      Now you have to admit, this smells of extremism. The hostility. The defensiveness. The strong emotional statements that don't seem based in reality. OTOH, I'm almost certainly a corporate shill who can be ignored? Because Slashdot.

    13. Re: You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant to say, "No ads masquerading as articles/stories."

    14. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't get modded out of the community. They may be modded down, like here, but SN doesn't permaban people for expressing unpopular opinion like Slashdot does.

      Proof or you're lying.

    15. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SN has a pretty severe problem with political ideologues and zealots.

      I think you and your comment are actually a superb example of this.

      You clearly have an anti-business, anti-capitalist agenda that you wish to force.

      We see this through your repeated references to these alleged "corporate sockpuppets" that you claim exist.

      We also see this through how you are unable to recognize that many of SN's articles are the political equivalent of paid content; they tend to reference atrociously bad and blatantly biased sources, yet the editors push those stories to the front page there anyway.

      Your political beliefs have rendered you blind to these problems with SN.

    16. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whenever someone takes the time to respond point by point I just assume they're some shithead white male.

    17. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except HN is not as free to exchange opinions and quick to mod discussion out (as recent FreeBSD drama around anti-abuse activist that abused a contributor)

    18. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Soylent has a +0 Disagree mod, too, which I've seen used regularly and I've used it myself. Unlike Slashdot where dissenting opinions are just modded -1 Troll.

      -SGT CAPSLOCK

    19. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so I uncommented Slashdot from my hosts file when I heard this was going down on Soylent even though I said I wasn't going to ever again last week. New ownership might just have a snowball's chance in hell of revitalizing this site. On the other hand, I've been suspecting for a while now that this site is on the verge of implosion, so we'll see.

      It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity.

      Yes, we've got some right-wing extremists over there, even mikeeusa. We've even got Ethanol-Fueled. There are plenty of moderates and lefties as well, notably gewg_ and Thexalon. Also worth a mention are resident engineer and armchair pontificator VLM, Aristarchus of Samos, and source of information about the upper echelons of society Phoenix666. I'm being unfair by leaving out mention of many regulars who frequently make meaningful and insightful contributions from many different points of view and walks of life for the sake of brevity. That's what makes it interesting. If you can't handle people who hold opinions you disagree with (or even disgusting opinions) and a troll here or there, I would suggest seriously considering leaving the internet or at least religiously avoiding comment sections.

      If anything, I'd say Soylent at present time is a lot like a small town. Everybody knows everybody else for the most part.

      The submissions are affected, too. Many of them are pretty much identical copies of submissions that appeared on Slashdot hours or days earlier.

      The editors have said many times that they don't follow this site. Many submitters post to both sites. However, in the last few months, I've even noticed submissions showing up on Soylent before showing up here! Not only that, but did you know that Soylent has breaking news now? Good luck seeing mention of things in the Breaking News nexus over here for a day or two.

      Remember how Soylent reported on Sourceforge's crapware bundling and takeover of "abandonded" projects, what was it, four or five whole days before we saw it here? As I implied above, even this news is hours behind being published as Breaking News on Soylent.

      Besides, we all started coming here in the 90s for the comments. We stayed around for the comments. All the articles mostly serve for is a conversation-starter. Not reading TFA is a time-honored tradition.

      typically without any relevant connection to science, or mathematics, or technology, or computing, or software

      Just like I always used to rebut that sentiment here by citing "stuff that matters," SoylentNews is people!

      Good stories don't have a chance at making the front page there.

      If you mean gender lunatic shit-stirring, no, those don't have a good chance at making the front page over there.

      moderation is used to attack people with original or controversial opinions.

      I think I've only suspected mod-bombing once or twice. Everybody with 30+ karma gets 5 mod points every day, so it usually sorts itself out. Very rarely a comment reaches -1.

      In fact, I'll say this: browsing at 0 is completely tolerable over there, and I've found myself more likely to browse at -1 to double-check whether the odd -1 mod was in error.

      BUT! I suggest to the rest of the readers who come across the parent comment to head over there and see for yourself!

      -- kurenai.tsubasa

    20. Re: You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baloney - when it first started I submitted hard tech stories there and they got rejected while political and emotional stories ran. I gave up on being a submitter. Stop in once in a while and still cringe at the limiting site name.

    21. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so I uncommented Slashdot from my hosts file

      D'oh! Should be commented out. Maybe I was going for ununcommented?

    22. Re: You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't reject hard tech stories anymore, assuming we ever did, and if you can't get over the "limiting site name", tough.

    23. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you don't, you just pretend to. In reality, you're just intimidated and in need of an excuse to avoid thinking.

    24. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by fnj · · Score: 1

      It strikes me that the userbase of SN has a very strong international makeup, with a substantial portion having a pronounced anti-US viewpoint. SD seems largely US or at least pro-US, and also a fair representation of right-of-center viewpoints. On SN you're some kind of weirdo if you don't join the mob raking the US over the coals for everything. Moderation reflects this bias.

      But SN has a better ratio of signal to noise, and a higher user IQ, or at least far fewer assholes with an IQ of 50 or under.

      Both sites are highly useful. I'd hate for either one to be lost. I'm shaking in fear that (1) nobody will pick up slashdot and it will be abandoned and disappear, or (2) a real piece of shit will pick up slashdot and the result will be unrecognizable and unusable, an orer of magnitude worse than beta ever was.

      Far and away the best-engineered site technically? Pipedot, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is awe-inspiringly well engineered. It just doesn't have a critical mass.

    25. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by fnj · · Score: 1

      utterly stupid âoefrom theâ

      Would you mind translating that drivel into something intelligible? Did you bother previewing?

    26. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I definitely enjoy the differing opinions on Slashdot and hope that doesn't change.

      If an article about some controversial subject comes up, you can be sure that people from both sides will post their views. If, for example, the subject is gun control in the US, you'll have one post from someone proclaiming the Second Amendment as sacred and not to be trampled upon by the federal government, another post from someone calling on the feds to round up all guns and melt them into a giant "peace sign" statue", and a bunch of other posts in between.

      I definitely don't agree with everyone here, but it would be a big loss if the entire community was shoved into one side or the other.

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    27. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      You've basically just described SoylentNews, a Slashdot clone that appeared when the Slashdot Beta shit really started heating up.

      And you know what? I think it's clear that it's an absolute hell-hole that's worse than Slashdot today, even!

      That community is small. It's small because many of the regular users there are best described as obnoxious extremists. They naturally drive away most normal users with their toxicity.

      Then it's not really a slashdot clone (assuming what you say is true). I mean, the site may be a clone, but for most of us the community is what makes it what it is. Without the community, the thing as a whole is not a clone.

    28. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      "SoylentNews intends to be a source of journalism"

      "Journalists" are the people who flunked out of Calculus, and couldn't get admitted to the English Department. So they transferred to J-School, where hanging out at the Lit Tables in the student union (No Nukes!, etc.) counts as homework.

    29. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      We were all, at one point anyways, nerds on Slashdot. Nerds first, and anything else besides.

      That's changed somewhat as Slashdot became perceived as being an 'IT' site. But it still holds in the best threads and topics.

    30. Re: You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd volunteer to do system engineering. I'd even help with coding.
      Spending all day on enterprise stuff makes me miss the pure internet plays I used to work in.

    31. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Soylent got really bad for a while, with the MRAs and other right-wingers in full control, but it's got a lot better lately too. In fact, in some ways it's actually better than Slashdot for some types of story. For example, there was a recent story where GamerGate came up, and people were able to post about the harassment without being modded into oblivion.

      It's a young site, there are growing pains, but it's certainly nothing like as bad as 8chan/4chan/the depths of Reddit, or even Slashdot on a bad day.

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    32. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Whenever the subject is gun control in the US comes up, I skip over it the next submission. Same arguments being made on the same sides. People talking past each other. Same goes for most politics stories. Not just this, but I come here for news for nerds stuff, not what political person said about another political person.

    33. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of your perceived objections would apply if it were the actual /. we were buying, with existing community (=us) and all.

    34. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >toxic

      Opinion discarded.

    35. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Soylent News seems to be a Fark/Reddit replacement with Slashdot moderation.

      I want a Slashdot replacement (news for nerds) with Slashdot moderation.

    36. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need the same sort of toxic environment developing here at Slashdot.

      Too late. Much too late.

    37. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The part I find most amusing about the SN defender is that I've been to sites like Reddit and Voat. If one does not share the hive mind, one is down-voted a lot. In the case of Voat (where there is a minimum contribution requirement before one can "down-voat" anything), this can make it near impossible to attain the "minimum" threshold.

      Slashdot, on the other hand, seems more balanced by comparison. If one thinks that Slashdot is off-kilter, that isn't saying much for those other sites.

    38. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by samwichse · · Score: 1

      I just read through the comments (only 16...) on an article about smart meters there.

      The comments seemed pretty similar to here, but sparse. In any case, I signed up for an account because "yet another site sale."

    39. Re:You just described SoylentNews. by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      I can second this-- this has been my experience as well. Its not really that they are socialist extremists, but, their intolerance of anyone who is not.

  60. Screw Slashdot by Holi · · Score: 1

    But i'd buy Slash Media just so I could fire the ass hats at SourceForge who try to monetize other peoples work. No we won't want your nagware, we never have and never will.

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  61. Revert it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just give the damn thing back to CmdTaco, Hemos, CowboyNeal, Katz^H^H^H^H, etc and let's see if we can reclaim the magic

  62. buy low sell high by Nick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess I should've taken that $2k offer my 3 digit UID when I chance. It's been a fun 18 years or so, but the future of /. doesn't seem to bright.

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    1. Re:buy low sell high by mrbester · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With regards to low UIDs, it's refreshing to see so many posts from sub 1E6 users. It's a pity that the quality of /. has gone so far downhill that it is only news that we're about to get fucked over again that brings them blinking into the light...

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    2. Re:buy low sell high by SgtAaron · · Score: 1

      I guess I should've taken that $2k offer my 3 digit UID when I chance. It's been a fun 18 years or so, but the future of /. doesn't seem to bright.

      Wait, what? Is that for real, $2k? LOL. I didn't come across /. for a couple years after it got really going, hence never had an offer to sell my UID.

      As for the future, I'm going to try and be optimistic.

    3. Re:buy low sell high by basscomm · · Score: 1

      I guess I should've taken that $2k offer my 3 digit UID when I chance. It's been a fun 18 years or so, but the future of /. doesn't seem to bright.

      Wait, what? Is that for real, $2k? LOL. I didn't come across /. for a couple years after it got really going, hence never had an offer to sell my UID.

      As for the future, I'm going to try and be optimistic.

      I haven't had any offers for this UID either. I probably keep too low a profile.

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    4. Re:buy low sell high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a dumb fuck.

    5. Re:buy low sell high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.soylentnews.org

    6. Re:buy low sell high by adolf · · Score: 1

      Selling /. UIDs was a thing that was happening, particularly when karmic bonuses were potentially greater than +1.

    7. Re:buy low sell high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll give you $20 for the UID. I think that's the market rate now.

    8. Re:buy low sell high by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Iacta alea est.

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    9. Re:buy low sell high by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      That and disk-waving contests about who has the lower uid.

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  63. Slashdot NO NOS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well for the new owners, some advice..

    Drop the ads that play with audio, nothing makes me boot a page quicker than someone stuffing something in my ears while i am trying to concentrate on reading whats on the screen, I been on Slashdot for over 10 years, and if those disruptive ads don't stop, i will stop visiting. When I am on another web page, looking at something its even more rude. Really, These days you could easily be replaced by another set of nerds with a eye for quaility content. At the end of the day, the quaility of your content is what made slashdot, slashdot. Lately, Slashdot dosent seem like all the posts are well vindicated at all.

    Post better news stories, recently someone posted something about a OS that was quoted as being based on linux (yet it fit in 10 kilobytes). A) this is impossible without some really revolutionary form of data compression b) the os wasn't based on linux at all but didn't stop Slashdot from using it and looking a bit more like cnn than a real down to earth tech news site. 10 years ago, such posts would not be seen on slashdot, the quality of your posts is slipping. Keep it up and I will lose intrest because if i want to be misled, I can just listen to a Presidential Candidate.

  64. The Register by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Why not The Register? Sarcasm is their biz such that they may be able to tolerate being trashed by nerds....and enjoy shooting back.

  65. Rejoice by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

    The chains will soon be lifted.

  66. Not far enough! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Register as a digital church of Pastafarian and save on the taxes... or was that Boing Boing that started that mess, I forget now.

  67. Good Job! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that whining about the beta version made them think, "Fuck you, I'll just sell your ass to Opra Winfrey"

    1. Re:Good Job! by TWX · · Score: 1

      All that whining about the beta version made them think, "Fuck you, I'll just sell your ass to Opra Winfrey"

      Perhaps they didn't think about the fact that the userbase actually liked things the way they were, didn't really care about a mobile version, and were more upset by the under-the-hood deficiencies than by the UI...

      I may be projecting, but I've been using Slashdot for the better part of two decades, lurking since almost the beginning. Cleanup, evolutionary changes, mild tweaking all work fine, but revolutionary changes like a complete UI shift just piss people off. Killed Fark, killed Digg, and probably a bunch of other sites.

      It seems like when a website's users start leaving it's usually disproportionately the positive contributors more than the run-of-the-mill or the trolls that go. That lowers the quality overall, which further drives away more positive contributors, turning the place into a cesspool that almost mocks what it was intended to be. I've seen it happen probably a dozen times over the years on various forums. Unfortunately management isn't usually smart enough to cater toward their power users even though those people drive the reasons for everyone else to come to the forum. Lose the power users and you have no focus as a draw anymore.

      Slashdot is on the tipping point of that. Consider how long it takes for long-running, obvious troll posts to get modded down after a new article and discussion is posted. Used to be almost instatneous, now the Golden Girls and the G** N****r posts are seen for some time before being modded down.

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  68. Value proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it's exactly like soylent news, except with more users. But the users already hate you to a man, 90% of them run adblockers, half the rest browse with a NVUA, and if you change anything they will hound you until you change it back.

    A snip at $20 million

  69. One Word: Tumblr by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    So slashdot is moving to the new Tumblr format, where everything you say is wrong and sexist and privileged and mysogynistic and ableist?

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  70. Good by Forgefather · · Score: 1

    Good. May the next owner put the "Read XX Comments" link back at the bottom of the story where it's supposed to be.

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    "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
  71. can I get in on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crowd Funding,, any one???
    Lets start a campaign to take our beloved /. back over..

    not to throw salt, lemon, or dirt in a fresh wound but.. Thanks to our overlords mismanaging this into the ground..

    I hope this does not go away forever.. Someone has to STEP in.
    please for the sake of gawd, the geekx, the businessmen, and the kids dreaming/learning about the future..

    Dont let the sun fade down..

    Gkeeper

  72. Seems Fitting by zellfaze · · Score: 1

    After reading all the comments on this, I get to the bottom of the page and the fortune reads: "If all else fails, lower your standards."

    Yup.... sounds about right.

  73. We told you FUCK BETA...Now BETA FUCKS YOU by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    This is so fucking funny. KARMA IS A MOTHERFUCKER!!!! I hope at least one of these assholes eats a fucking bullet.

  74. ACs and crowfunding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about we ACs buy /. and put an automatic -1 initial score on every post by a registered user?

  75. Fuck you dice by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 0

    Good riddance.

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    Buck Feta. You know what to do.
  76. Listen to the Trump-pets play! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear our good friend Donald has some money to spare.

  77. But what of the daily post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what will happen to my daily Climate Change (TM) FUD article? Will they take that with them when they go? *sobs*

  78. Our value is community. Not the broken site. by fyngyrz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Perhaps the new owners will finally fix the massively broken and stupid moderation system that the previous and current owners have left bereft of badly needed attention:

    o Moderators can't post with ID. Stupid. Utterly, completely, stupid. Pointless. Ridiculous.
    o Moderators have zero accountability for what they've done -- only for what they might do later
    o Absolutely no effective mechanism to remove bad moderation (and that really screws up threads here)
    o AC's unjustly penalized, many of the site's best posts never rise above the noise level
    o Trolls go un-handled -- the AC low-runging is a punt at not having to work at moderation. But it doesn't work.
    o Perversely limited set of mod types leaves moderators unable to moderate reasonably
    o Limits on mod ranges penalize the very best posts (and don't adequately address the trolls, either, because...
    o On slashdot, troll is effectively equal to AC with one person disagreeing, and...
    o Because we can't attribute the "disagree" to the mod, it can't be remediated except by the...
    o Random and future-behavior-only-focused meta moderation system.

    And then we have:

    o Ridiculous delays between posts for ACs AND for logged-in users. Big convo? Too bad for you.
    o Inability STILL to handle many character entities after all these years. Not to mention UTF-*8, omg.
    o Retarded signature limits. C'mon. Bad sigs should be moderated. It takes a lot of chars to use HTML.

    And of course there are the short-bus elephants in the room:

    o "Editors" that know nothing about editing. Or writing. Or what constitutes a "story"
    o The "firehose", a way to vote up stuff that won't get posted -- can be a total waste of time
    o And the continuous mucking about with the parts that worked, making them NOT work,
          while all of the above, which ACTUALLY needs fixing, goes unfixed.

    I'd fire the bloody lot of them, frankly.

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    1. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      From the not-likely-to-happen department.

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    2. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) No, that's completely wrong. Think about that one a bit harder.
      2) You'll find this is the situation with moderators pretty much everywhere in real life; you must be young
      3) Also wrong, and obviously so; you know very well posting to a thread you moderated will undo the moderation, and frankly it matters very little since moderation can't completely remove any posts.
      4) You'll find this is also true of the internet in general.
      5) You'll find the distinction between these two types of posts is only clear if you're the one who posted it. This is a universal constant of society too; nothing to do with slashcode.
      6) You didn't think this one out very carefully either, obviously.
      7) See #6. What, do you think getting all your friends to help gang up and moderate some poor sucker's post to -1000 is gonna actually help this situation any? Careful... your hidden agenda is showing...
      8) see #5
      9) Seriously? all your complaints above and you actually still think someone is gonna use a "disagree" moderation when they can call it a troll or flamebait? you said yourself there's no accountability.... come on. if you want to actually address problems you have to actually think out your "solutions" to their logical conclusion. Even if you could enforce use of "disagree" moderation, there's absolutely no sane world where disagreeing with someone's post should be justification for being allowed to moderate it. In fact, quite the opposite; what your suggestion creates here is called a "conflict of interest." At best, this suggestion doesn't change anything at all and just adds server load and development costs. At worst, it actually causes/exacerbates a problem you claim to care about; that legitimate posts are unfairly moderated down.
      10) I'm not even sure what you mean by this. The moderator points are assigned clearly by past behavior. Don't post anonymously so much and you'll get more moderator points to spend. Simple. This point also appears to be wrong, but Its possible I just don't understand what you mean, or you meant to type something else.

      And then we have:

      11) I guess I don't know about any delays, but my guess is its a server-load/hosting-cost issue. Not all ACs are going to be the honorable gentlemen you envision them to be; many of them are actually trying to crash or infect Slashdot's servers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In the real world, I can't imagine any high profile website that allows users to post content anonymously without any sort of throttle whatsoever. You must not maintain web software for a living.
      12) Ok this one you're right about, and I actually agree with you. Someone clearly needs to brush up on their understanding of character sets and regular expressions, because the data handling of this text field is so amateur-hour 1996. Its pretty embarrassing to see it still behaving the same exact way in 2015. They should have put development man-hours into fixing this first, instead of that whole "Slashdot Beta" boondoggle.
      13) God help us all if you actually get your way on this one. The rest of us would rather NOT see every single user's stupid rich-content banner-ad signature. I'm certain the signature character limit was specifically chosen to prohibit the ability for the signatures to carry a Google tracking tag. Your other opinions might just be misguided, but this one makes me suspect you're actually a bad person, who seeks to do harm on those around him.

      And of course...

      14) Ok, I agree here too. The editing sucks. At least they could fix obvious typos and grammatical errors, missing links, outright inaccuracies, etc. Its pretty clear most of them take zero pride in their work, or else their parents just didn't discipline them enough as children.
      15) No, the firehose is there so all submissions are visible by the users. If you think its a waste of time just don't use it. Nobody ever implied you should in the first place. Your lack of self control isn't a justification for removing

    3. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disagree != misunderstand.

      Nice advertisement in your signature.

    4. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been here just as long as you have. I have almost no problems with the moderation systems.

      What actually needs fixed? If someone gets modded down to 0 or -1 and it truly is an insightful, great, whatever post, others will see it if they choose to with browsing at -1. And.. the current moderation system will still allow majority rules and even out the differences so if it was a good post, it will rise back up, if it is average or noise, it will stay there. What I like about the /. mod system compared to other places is you don't have near as many "gangs" or nut swingers that band together and follow others around spreading and modding their ideas up and everyone else down. It is more self correcting here.

      Moderating and posting in the same thread? Isn't it VERY obvious why that is not allowed? It is too easy to push an agenda if that was allowed.

    5. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NO. Just no.

      I agree with you about the stupid character set problem and the need for better editors/editing, but almost everything else you complain about is actually what makes moderation here vastly superior to just about any other site. It's certainly not perfect, and there are perhaps tweaks to be done to moderation, but if we did what you suggest, it would completely fill the site with crap posts and allow the moderation to be gamed as on every other internet site.

      Most of your complaints could be solved by not posting AC and by contributing positively to the site (and thus getting good karma). If users can't be bothered to do that, I don't want to see their posts. I only want to see an AC if it's a really superior post, so the default moderation levels are about right. Again, it's not perfect, but it's superior to most sites and to almost everything you're proposing.

    6. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I'm just an old redneck from the days of 300 baud, but I like the character set on a discussion forum to be clipped at 7 bits.

      Dorks started fooling around with that eighth bit almost as soon as it was allowed.

    7. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I assume this post was meant to be attached to the grandparent post, not mine.

    8. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slashdot only needs some slight tweaks to get back to being excellent again.

      1. 1 minute between posts
      2. User names of people who moderated a post listed
      3. Lower bar to entry for getting mod points, because at the moment you have to choose between commenting freely and gaming the system to get mod points
      4. Get rid of the share button

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    9. Re: Our value is community. Not the broken site. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Utf8 not being implemented is a feature, not a bug. We can communicate quite well in ASCII without having silly quote marks that face the "proper" way and those dumb Unicode drawing characters. It also helps a lot to keep the conversations in a language that all of us speak.

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    10. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by nnet · · Score: 1

      A complete lack of ipv6. Its 2015, get with the times.

    11. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The only thing I would change about the editing is make it markdown.

      Markdown is so much easier and faster to type. HTML made sense when it was the best we had and Everyone on slashdot could type HTML. There are a load of 'nerds' out there that have no need for HTML.

    12. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with slashdot crowd-sourced comment moderation is that if you say something that the in-crowd disagrees with, you can be banned. By other users! Websites need to take responsibility for their own content, whether it is user contributed or not.

      It is not about spam. It is about groupthink.

    13. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      While I agree that there should be no (-1, Disagree) moderation, there have been times I've wished for (-1, Wrong) or (-1, Dumbass).

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    14. Re:Our value is community. Not the broken site. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      The problem with slashdot crowd-sourced comment moderation is that if you say something that the in-crowd disagrees with, you can be banned. By other users!

      Only temporarily. Your post may be downvoted, and perhaps your karma will be hurt if you keep doing it repeatedly. If you build up a reputation as a complete jerk or shill, you may just have to abandon your uid and start over... and that's what you deserve if you end up that way.

      It is not about spam. It is about groupthink.

      Here's the reality: I've posted MANY things here that disagree with the normal "groupthink" of the Slashdot community, and I've gotten +5 insightful. Why? Because when I do so, I support my points. I explain my position. I often cite reputable sources, particularly when I'm addressing something that's particularly contentious.

      You do that here, and people appreciate it. If you provide good information, you WILL get upvoted. Over the years, I've found this site to have some of the most open-minded mods anywhere, as long as you back up what you say. Sure, there have been a few times I've had such a post modded down into oblivion, but only a few. The vast majority of the time when I am reasonable (not a jerk), present rational arguments and evidence, etc., an informative post will get modded up, regardless of whether it agrees with the majority opinion here.

      Does it get tiresome to keep having to explain myself and minority opinions or unknown facts over and over? Sure -- but that's what true discussion requires.

  79. Kickstarter to buy slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dice bought Slashdot for $20 Million. According to this article as of 2006 Slashdot had 5.5 million users per month.

    So if we conservatively assume that Dice want to sell for $40 Million and that Slashdot only now has 2 million users per month that would pay something for it, then that gives us $20 per user as a cost. So if 2 million slashdot users paid $20USD and Dice was happy to double their money then we could buy slashdot.

    The real challenge would be after that, how would slashdot be run? We've recently seen the challenges of reddit's leadership? Perhaps we should bring back the Taco? ;-)

  80. Going to china? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Gut feeling says that you guys go to china.

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  81. I Could've Lived With That by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    Point being, I'm actually quite glad that Slashdot didn't add Gamergate to the stinking, festering pile of identity politics it already took upon itself to be responsible for.

    I would have been all for /. simply covering the journalism scandal (and resulting failed blackout&censorship, and eventual reform to ethics policies) and leaving identity politics out of it. Problem is, they tried to do the exact opposite and it blew up spectactularly in their faces.

    1. Re:I Could've Lived With That by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Except neither side was willing to let any of that go. That's the problem I had with it.

      You want to be about ethics in journalism, then ignore the talk of misogyny, since it's not doing any good anyway. And just because you call the biggest agitators "Literally Who" doesn't mean you've stopped talking about them.

      You want to have games be more "educational" and less "violent"? Stop pretending gaming is a binary world and make your own games, not tearing down the people actually working in the field with thin accusations and petty bullshit. It's not like the market has only so much room in it.

      Both sides were dishonest, about a lot of things. I simply hated the misrepresentation of the narrative the anti-side put forward.

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  82. Left behind. by westlake · · Score: 1

    Business as usual until we find a buyer (and hopefully after).

    Slashdot opened for business in 1997 --- and it remains, despite cosmetic changes good and bad, very much a reflection of the us vs them geek mind-set of the nineties.

    It's been awhile since a new idea has made it past the gates.

    Compared to the Internet population as a whole, far, far, more people who stop by here are still in school --- and they aren't hanging around as long as they used to.

    "The cow goes moo."

    The Slashdot gender gap is real, though much narrower than the Great Divide you see at Ars Technica. "Who visits Slashdot?", "Who Visits Ars Technica?"

    You can't hope to talk sensibly about tech unless you can place it in a larger social context --- and if at least 40% of your audience is female, you can't put gender issues in tech on the back burner and expect to survive.

    1. Re:Left behind. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      I was recently helping my parent clear out their basement (no I wasn't moving out) and came across a box of computer magazines from the 80's. It was all tech and nothing about larger social contexts. They were mostly code with word in between listings.

      The downfall came in the early 90's when code and circuit diagrams were replaced by words, business takeovers, strategies and product recommendations. See BYTE!

    2. Re:Left behind. by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Seriously?

      "Larger social context"?

      Who the fuck cares how many women visit the site, as long as you have quality content? Women can choose to click, on it, or not. The only thing the site should care about is money.

      Good tech news doesn't really care about the contents of your pants.

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  83. The Accusation by Kunedog · · Score: 2

    Nathan Grayson wrote an article that gave positive coverage to Zoe Quinn’s Depression Quest, without disclosing that he was thanked in the credits and clearly knew Quinn. DQ was only one of 50 games covered in the two paragraph article, yet was somehow singled out in three ways:
    a) The article’s title “Admission Quest” was a play on DQ’s title.
    b) The only screenshot (a huge background to the title) featured from any of the games was from DQ.
    c) DQ was the first game (of only four) mentioned in the very short prose, praised as a “powerful Twine darling.”

    Grayson wrote another article about Quinn’s role in a failed game jam TV show, painting her in a positive light. Despite the fact that the two were good enough friends to have planned an upcoming trip to Vegas together, this article also failed to disclose their relationship.

    You can try to ignore the accusation, censor and libel those who exposed what Grayson did, or try to strawman the accusation into something else . . . but none of that makes it go away.

    1. Re:The Accusation by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, that is the false accusation that has already been debunked.

      Depression Quest is not a commercial product. It is a free game, a public service. There is no ethical lapse in mentioning a free public service that somebody you once dated was involved in. There is no accusation there, except of two consenting adults having dated.

      You might want to look up a few things, like: what are workplace ethics? What are the ethical restrictions on mentioning somebody you know personally in your work? What does libel mean? What does censor mean? These are important questions, because you get them all wrong.

      Ethics doesn't mean, "things I don't like." Ethics is the rules agreed by the group. Generally, the overlapping portion of the various moral perspectives. You don't get to make up new, fake ethical rules and then have that count as an accusation when people aren't following it. There is no ill-gotten gains to be had by a free game with no advertising, written by a person who is not even a professional game writer. That is just daft. Ethical lapses involving significant others in the workplace have to include some ill deed; some inside influence that is hidden from an employer or client, or a contract given without normal competition, or assigning some task that has a financial reward. You are absolutely not forbidden from ever mentioning your spouse or date in your job. That is an insane idea that nobody would agree to, and would never become an ethical requirement.

      That you think that is an ethical problem really shows that you haven't even googled for what actual journalistic ethics scandals look like. And the accusation is so small anyways, even if it was something unethical, it would be on the level of J-walking. It would still raise questions as to the real motives, because it would stand next to real ethics violations, like receiving large payments from a company to whitewash allegations against them. That is what the actual "ethics in journalism" issues are. Even in something totally trivial like "gaming journalism," which isn't even journalism but rather professional product reviewing, the actual scandals of the past were much larger; game companies paying media companies for favorable coverage. But generally in journalism nobody cared, because it wasn't about "news" or anything substantial. Even for people buying games, it wasn't news to start with; it was entertainment stories. Those were never considered to be "news" or to be being done as some part of journalistic effort to inform the public. Imagine if the readers of the local newspaper found out that the gardener profiled in the local Home and Garden section of the paper was married to an employee! Major scandal lasting years, or not an ethical lapse because it is OK to brag about your spouse's garden? This happened locally, and it wasn't even a complaint. The only reason anybody talked about it was because their garden looked really awesome.

    2. Re:The Accusation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even if it was a minor issue, nobody from Gamergate ever gave a single fuck about any of the very blatant whoring going on between various gaming journalists and major software companies, where there's potential REAL corruption.

    3. Re:The Accusation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      What you failed to mention is that Grayson was not in a relationship with Quinn at the time he wrote that list of 50 indie games. He didn't write the article about the game jam, unless you have previously undiscovered link to it.

      Anyway, the original claim was sex for a positive review. The review doesn't exist. If all she got was a mention in a list of 50 games and a screenshot at the top I'd say she got a pretty bad deal. If it were my girlfriend I think I'd try harder than that to help her out.

      Also of note is the fact that the guy who made the post with this claim in it is currently under restraining order preventing him from spreading more lies. There is a post on Reddit begging for another $3000 to appeal, if you feel like throwing some money away. Clearly the courts disagree with your position.

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  84. Now that this has happened... by dacarr · · Score: 1

    ...once it sells, I just might come back 'round and clean up my profile a bit, and maybe even start reading here again.

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  85. Plan for the worst by fnj · · Score: 1

    If slashdot does fail to get bought, and disappears, as seems all too likely, everybody go on over to pipedot. Heck, even if that doesn't happen, please split your time and spend some over there too. The site engineering is superb. All it needs is 10 or 100 times the user base.

  86. Potential buyers by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Here's my list of potential buyers, in rough order of preference:

    CmdrTaco
    Crowd-funded non-profit entity
    Some unheard of benign tech group
    Another tech news company
    Some unheard of business acquisition group
    NewsCorp
    Microsoft Corporation

    Unfortunately that same list is much less amusing when sorted on probability.

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  87. So there is a god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or at least there is hope.. Dice fucked this place up bad with their trash. It would be nice to see things get back to the way it was ( and hey, bring back freshmeat too.. )

  88. A few more by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    Great list of things that could be improved. Here are a few more:

    I would like all comments on one page. Current limit is 100 max per page. I suggested to them that, when you pay, you get a new limit -- could be 500, etc. -- as one of the features. Point is, things get faster, bandwidth gets cheaper, every day. Why the limit? When you have a thread with, say, 500 or more comments, the only way you get them all on one page is at +4 or +5. But you miss so much when you browse at that level.

    In the pay-to-play category, some of the things you would like could be rewards for paying. SIG size, for example. Those who don't like big (or any) SIGs would still be able to block them.

    Remove or greatly limit underrated mod -- the stealth mod of choice for mod bombers. (1) use it, you lose 4 other mods, or (2) use it, and it goes up for meta-moderating right away. And (3) abuse it, and lose mod points for a month, then 3, then a year.

    Remove mind-numbingly stupid posts -- Golden Girls, goats.*, etc. If they have been replied to, then *** them out, or put one of the quotes at the bottom of each page in there. Just make it clear the post was useless and has been removed.

    Consider removing mods altogether from controversial subjects -- politics in particular.

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  89. I'm looking forward to useful stories again by dens · · Score: 1

    ...instead of the rehashed crap I've already read elsewhere. I could subscribe to a newspaper if I wanted that.

  90. Re:Lets see by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

    Hey look, Modded Troll because I pointed out the problem. I think the point is made.

  91. Maybe the article quality will get better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more Dice! I am looking forward to

    - No more articles about drugs, drug law reform, or marijuana. It has nothing to do with tech (blah blah everyone in SV is a pothead, enough already. There are TONS and TONS of websites for drug addicts to discuss their favorite mechanism of self-abuse, Slashdot doesn't need to do that too)

    - No more articles about how computers are reforming education. If you know about these initiatives, they are all cash-grabs for taxpayer money which sacrifice education and hurt children. It's a terrible misapplication of technology. Slashdot cherrypicks only the most positive articles on this subject and it drives me nuts.

    - No more articles about mentally ill anarchists like Cody Wilson who are 3D printing weapons. There will always be gun nuts and their ilk; they don't deserve a front-page spread on Slashdot.

    - No more Dice-driven Slashvertisements.

    Let's see what happens!

  92. In Soviet Russia.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot sell you!

  93. Re:Fuck, we need a new acronym! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He would never do something so constructive. APK's modus operandi consists of three things: 1) Posting screeds about hosts files in any discussion related to adblock, 2) Stalking his critics, and 3) Being a total beta cuck.

    My theory is that he does his best shitposting after masturbating while watching his morbidly obese wife get fucked some nigger she picked up off the street. Arms sore and hands covered in cum, he pulls out the laptop to diddle with his shitty little hosts file software and troll slashdot to the sounds of his wifes gigantic ass clapping while being pounded to a screaming orgasm by a 10 inch nigger dick.

    Being unable to pleasure his corpulent wife himself--owing mainly to his micropenis--he convinced himself that if nigger dick made his darling wife happy, then it made him happy. I think secretly, he wishes he was born a nigger with a 10 inch dong, rather than a text book aspergers syndrome faggot with a hard-on for hosts files.

  94. And their little dog freecode/freshmeat too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sale could be a great opportunity to resurrect freecode from its year-long absence.

  95. /. doesn't matter anymore. Reddit is way better an by master_p · · Score: 0

    Really, there is nothing else to say.

  96. Fair to Say by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    Except neither side was willing to let any of that go. That's the problem I had with it.

    Well, I concede you've got me there.

    As I've said before, Slashdot's ownership/editors soon realized that straightforwardly anti-Gamergate articles were getting soundly debunked in the comments, so they stopped mentioning it directly in the title or summary (the recent Brianna Wu interview is rare in that regard, at least these days).

    Instead, they've posted countless articles with the same pattern: "Harrassment, mysogyny, threats. Harrassment, mysogyny, threats . . . oh btw Gamergate" (i.e. they attempted to wrap GG in identity politics). Many /. users (including me) still recognized the propaganda for what it was and call it out. Yes, I admit it's very difficult for me to "let that go" unchallenged. Fortunately, even that editor tactic didn't work for very long.

    1. Re:Fair to Say by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I'll concede that it's difficult to just let that go when the charge goes basically unchecked in the court of public opinion.

      However, I would tell anyone in the debate the exact same thing I said about Brianna Wu a few days ago:

      You project what you want to be seen as. If the main thing you talk about is identity politics, then do you really have the right to claim you want to have a discussion about something else?

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  97. Public Auction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opening bid $1 no reserve.

    In Soviet Russia beta fucks Dice

  98. It could be worse. by ChadSmith4920 · · Score: 1

    slashdot.aol.com

  99. Re:Fuck, we need a new acronym! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh c'mon, quit mincing words, tell us how you REALLY feel.

  100. Stallman should buy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would find it amusing if Richard Stallman purchased /. and greeted users on the first day with a herd of GNU's running across the front page.

  101. The rumour says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FOX News...

  102. Best news on Slashdot in a long while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good riddance Dice and know that we all worked to make slashdot not work for you.
    Hate your guts and hope you all rot at Dice.com.

  103. I knew It, I've said this in April by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Where is my nobel prize, I can predict the future by reading the website of DHI, and drawing clues.

  104. Re:Fuck, we need a new acronym! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About your theory, apk would most likely say you are projecting.

  105. [Seriously] by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    Can we just follow the GreenBay packers model of business? I would honestly chip in money if I could own a part of /. or what ever it became. /. has been a part of my life for longer than it hasn't been. I read it through highschool. I read it between classes. I read it at work. It will forever be one of the few places that could stay up for 9/11.

    I've been reading here long enough to know that there are some movers and shakers in the industry. Heck even 'nobodies' like me could probably pull some strings or help contribute to Slashdot 2.0. I would buy a share of Slashdot if it became a 'contributer owned community' rather than some big conglomerate. It started out as a few guys wanting to chat online. It's a bit bigger than that so just add more owners, don't sell it to someone big.

    Reddit is going to shit. I'm not a fan of Voat. I just want my old slashdot back. It's the only place I can type more than a paragraph and people will possibly actually read it. No 'tl;dr'. I actually treated mod points

    And if not, anyone here want to make a distributed slashdot style platform? NNTP for messages, IRC for chat, *Coin (for distributed voting/Karma). The world has moved on since Perl 20 years ago. Lets take what we've learned and make something new.

    https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

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  106. Microsoft (MSFT) to buy Slashdot by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    Microsoft chairman John Thompson announced today its intention to buy Slashdot Media from DHI Group Inc. "It's our intention to buy these two properties [slashdot & sourceforge] from DHI; first thing we'll rename it to Backwardslashdot, as that's more in line with our corporate culture, and that other thing we'll need to look at." Asked as to the reasoning behind the acquisition on the financial reporters conference call, Thompson added "It's a bit like when Ballmer bought Skaip... Sky-pee... this will all become clear in the near future."

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  107. We need a taco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Reddit brought back their founder..............

  108. How about that? by unitron · · Score: 1

    My Slashcott finally worked!

    : - )

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    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  109. This is a test... by unitron · · Score: 1

    ...to see what happens to posts with the word Slashcott in them, since the one a few minutes ago disappeared without a trace.

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    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    1. Re:This is a test... by unitron · · Score: 1

      That's weird.

      My post about the Slashcott finally working posted, but without my username attached, even though it looked normal in Preview, and then when I reloaded the page it was gone completely.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  110. Re:Fuck, we need a new acronym! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are absolutely correct. I want to watch his fat wife get fucked by niggers too! Why should he have all the fun??

  111. Meant to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remove or greatly limit OVERrated mod

  112. Donate Slashdot to Archive.org & take tax writ by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    The title says the main idea, but here are some more details in my usual rambling style... :-)

    == More details (and should be better/conciser, but headache plus other stuff to do)

    When you wake up in the early morning before sunrise, you may feel you need to turn on a lightbulb to get around safely otherwise in the dark. That lightbulb seems blindingly bright -- so bright you can't look at it. You need that lightbulb though. Then, hours later, after the sun is up, you may forget the lightbulb is even on -- it is bright everywhere, and the bulb hardly stands out. Is that the story of Slashdot? As well as the story of many other tech innovations and communities and individuals (perhaps even myself)? These tools, communities, and individuals help bootstrap something greater and then just fade into the background.

    As a different analogy, each year, seeds produce the next generation of plants that produce more seeds, but generations later, who thinks of (or thanks) the seeds from years ago that made everything possible? It remains important for our own mental health to be thankful for the past generations that made our life possible (an idea very strong in some Native American culture, and even made into politics by C. H. Douglas and Social Credit) -- but it is perhaps too much to expect direct gratitude for our own contributions. "We do what we must because we can"? :-) Or maybe because we "should". Or even just because it was "fun" (a preference for fun perhaps shaped by millions of years of evolution and selection for survival). Sure, some people get remembered and celebrated because they won some commercial popularity contest (Edison, Gates, Jobs), but most just get mostly forgotten (Steinmetz/Tesla, Kildall, Wozniak/Wayne). Even Doug Engelbart's obituary did not even get a full open article on the Slashdot home page, just a title line (and I and others complained about that at the time). People like Peter H. Huyck & Nellie W. Kremenak (who wrote the very insightful "Design & Memory: Computer Programming in the 20th Century" in 1980) get essentially no mention, as does William Kent (who wrote "Data & Reality" in 1978). I'm continually amazed how little mention Smalltalk (Kay, Ingalls, Goldberg, etc.) gets these days -- it seems almost entirely forgotten, even if Java and now JavaScript is step-by-step reinventing most of it (often badly) -- even as the Smalltalk community struggles on, and when I squint just right, I see the web as a Smalltalk image Theodore Sturgeon envisioned ubiquitous mobile networked wearable nanotech-built computing in the 1950s in "The Skills of Xanadu", which inspired Ted Nelson and other technologists (myself included), but who remembers him for that? Chuck Moore (Forth) and James Martin (everything IT) likewise are near forgotten at this point, as far as their name coming up much in discussion. Even Clifford Berry and John Vincent Atanassoff are pretty much forgotten, even given their Atanasoffâ"Berry Computer (ABC) the main reasons digital computing was not burdened with core patents early on. And those are just a few I know who are public or published figures. And that does not include the people like high school teachers Jack Woelfel, Joe Maurer, David Gray, or many others (including my father) who made a big difference in my own personal computing education (but few others would ever hear of outside of where I grew up).

    I can also look at old computer magazines and catalogs from decades ago and see so much diversity of hardware ideas before the PC monoculture took over. Still, as Manuel De Landa said, uniformity at one level can promote diversity at another. A lot of different software has been built on the Windows/Intel hardware/OS monoculture. Hardware and OS diversity seems also to be going up again with Smartphones and Chromebooks. Although again, with lots of soon to be forgotten developers -- even if it may mean a lot to the developer and their local community and successors that they did what they did. An

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