Limitations of slashdot's ecode tag, sorry. The for loop is the only part of that code that doesn't typically show up in a c or c++ "how-to" book.
Also, you seem to have been paying more attention to the code rather than noticing the year I cited that I wrote it. It's not logical to assume I wasn't even born then, but I wasn't. Furthermore, the GPL didn't come into existence until the mid or late '80s, and C probly didn't even have as much structure as I put there in 1969 (UNIX was still in development in a lab).
I don't know why I responded to Anonymous Coward, though. Even when I troll I still use my username.:)
What if those three lines are just the function signatures, and you write your own implementation?
Then either you're safe or free software is in serious danger. GNU started to be a "free unix" by implementing all the same api's (and making whatever changes and improvements were logical and necessary). When you implement an api, the function signature has to be the same as the one you're trying to implement, otherwise other apps can't use your implementation.
It's gotta be a combination of stuff besides function signatures. Like, you have to have function signatures, and then blocks of 8-20 bytes of instructions that are identical, stuff like that.
Ok, I wrote the following code fragment and GPLd it back in 1969:
#include <stdio.h>
void main(void) { int a; printf("Hello, World!\n"); for(a=0;a<100;a++); }
ANd I have seen variants of this code all over the place where they only took like 3 lines of it, but I just can't get ANYONE to admit to stealing it and giving their code away!
But either interpretation leads to the same conclusion. If this derivative work was created by making an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, then any copyright claim on this work is invalid, and we're all free to copy and distribute it as we see fit.
I think you might've missed something. I didn't RTFA, as a matter of fact, but the GPL doesn't require you to distribute the source code with the software. Not specifically, no, but it is the recommended way to meet the license (what if you go out of business and all the source code is destroyed? etc etc etc).
First we need to ask them for the source code. Then we need to keep asking them, leaving a paper trail. If they fail to provide the source code, then they are violating the GPL. You can't distribute the binary and not distribute the source code in machine-readable format. (So you can't just send me a printout, you *must* send it on a floppy, or a CD, or a dvd, or send me a hard drive with a modern filesystem (not that I care, GNU/Linux reads any filesystem anyway) )
If you distribute the binary of a GPL derivative work, and you don't distribute the source code for the derivative (i.e. you can't distribute with modifications and then not give the code for your modifications as well as the rest), then you've violated the GPL.
Finally, you have to inform the person to whom you are distributing that the software they are receiving is GPL. Ususal methods apply, like README, or the click-through license agreement, and so forth. Because you have to give them the license under which you received the software, because it's the only way you have permission to distribute the software.
IANAL, after all that.:) However, it's entirely possible that this would best be attacked as a class-action lawsuit, on behalf of the free software community. Then they could give the money to Mandrake or someone.:) (Better yet, and seriously this time, give it to Debian and tell 'em to give us a graphical installer)
No one has had the proper combination of balls and stupidity yet
Heh, I know someone who has the proper combination. Problem is, he's not a programmer. In any case, he has to find it himself. If I give it to him, he'll just say I gave it to him, and then I'll have to prove I abode the GPL (which shouldn't be that hard, really, since I would of course fulfill my obligation:) )
So, then, since the United States has so much good, strong, and healthy litigation, that makes us more civilized than the rest of the world?:)
I thought negotiation and compromise were the cornerstones of civilization, rather than arguing about "my toy" or "my code" or "my way".
Just for the record, I'm not supporting people stealing Linux code, I just question the use of the word "civilization" with regard to present times. (I also just spent half an hour reading Google News, and I'm thinking that was a mistake)
I mean we still use law, mathematics and science from 200 year ago don't we?
Nah, our dictate, er, President has been repealing everything left and right. 200 years ago is still too new for him, he wants us to only worry about laws laid down 2000 years ago.
I forgot to mention that meditating for me was a phase I went through. I don't actually do it anymore.:) (unless you count the thinking that goes along with smoking a cigarette by yourself, since I have to go outside to smoke and nobody ever goes with me, at least, not in the winter time)
I read a long time ago that hiccups are a sudden muscle contraction. Somehow I found out and actually felt which muscle it was. Actively controlling it ensures that I never have a second hiccup either.
When I read up on Eastern meditation techniques, the first thing all the experts talk about is breathing. But you don't breathe like a white guy breaths, you have to breathe big, fill your stomach up first, and then your chest. Hold for a couple of counts, then let it out at the same rate you took it in.
You're supposed to breathe like this all the time (or rather, breathing like this all the time has proven itself somehow, but I forget how), but I only started doing it to meditate. I started getting serious hiccups when I wasn't meditating.
After awhile, the hiccups just went away. I don't know when I noticed that I was breathing the "fancy way" all the time now, but I dn't normally consciously notice it. I also don't get hiccups anymore.
On the other it seems quite a trivial thing to be searching for answers on. Why does it matter, really?
Because in a couple of weeks they'll put out an article saying "Oral Sex cures hiccups", and that is expected to improve the author's sex life dramatically.
He also sneezes 3-4 times in a row on a regular basis, and quite enjoys that.
I'm like 28, and I still enjoy sneezing 3-4 times in a row. I usually it enjoy more afterwards, although it does get tedious. I do *not* enjoy sneezing when I'm sick, because of the headache associated (like right now).
Early early in my marriage my wife used to get the hiccups a lot. I tried telling her I had AIDS and the hiccups went away! She was so shocked, and upset, she was ready to dismember me. So, to save my member, I told her "No, I was just saying that to get rid of your hiccups." So she started hicupping again.
When you yawn, you're readjusting the pressure inside your head. It's why your ears pop. When someone else yawns, they've just altered the pressure around your head so now YOU have to calibrate your pressure to match the NEW air pressure.
I think this post has altered the air pressure around my head, YAWN.
While I realize you're just being a dick I've got to ask why you picked me for such an ignorant post. I'm the typical Irish-English moronic imigrant (as you so eloquently illustrate and personify) so I don't know why your anti-black comments are directed at me. If you're going to post ignorant insults like that shouldn't you at least know who you're talking to?
Whoah dude, calm down. Don't take the AC so seriously when he was obviously trying to get a rise out of you. He succeeded, apparently. Fact is, if we ignore people like that guy, they'll go away eventually. but if we feed them...
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
I don't know how to tell you this, but 10 in binary represents the number 2, but can/can't is a boolean relationship. Perhaps it would be better to say "There is 1 type of people in this world..." and then describe the boolean relationship.
No, I'm not a geek. I can just count binary, that's all.
some of the people are hard-working people doing the jobs that American's refuse to do,
In Texas, these aren't jobs that americans refuse to do. They're jobs that Americans can't do and make a living. They wind up on welfare, and unable to get jobs. The sheer number of illegal immigrants drives the starting wages to the lower-echelon jobs down almost to minimum wage. Many companies favor hiring the illegals over legals because they can write it off differently, and save money that way (or take more home).
but some of them cross the border to use our medicine, fill our jails, and ship illegal drugs in (I'm not talking pot here folks, Coke|Heroin doesn't all come in by the container ship load), while not paying a dime in taxes.
If they paid taxes, would that make it ok?
Jokes aside, this isn't a problem that comes about as a result of illegal immigrants. Drugs are a separate social issue. I've seen plenty of American citizens drive across the border and buy pot/coke/heroin/valium/whatever and bring it back to sell. (Seen a few good friends go down as a result) Dealing with this problem at the immigration level is the wrong place to deal with it.
but do not abuse the system,
Agreed.:) Use it, don't abuse it.
I guess my only real point is that immigration isn't the place to settle these problems. I'm not saying that our immigration department (or whatever the fuck it's called) is doing a picture perfect job or anything, because it's not. In fact, I know a lady that came over from England with a Visa from England. She in turn went to England from another country and there from her home country, with all the visas involved. She had a visitation permit, rather than a work permit, for 3 months. She says she got it renewed and extended for a long time, but I don't think so. She was always afraid of getting deported and complained that she couldn't get a "real" job (ie one that didn't pay cash). I know an illegal when I see one (provided I have enough time to spot the signals, it's not a visual cue), and she was definitely illegal.:) Immigration, or whoever it is that grants these temporary visas, definitely fell down on the job with her. It wouldn't have been hard to follow a paper trail to her. They probly could've found it without ever leaving the office.
It's the same exploit as an attacker using an old user account on your machine to login. You need to keep your user accounts clean and current, only. Or an attacker that logs in with a valid account and just stays logged in, while you delete everything around him. If you don't terminate the session, he's still there.:) (not necessarily the most practical attack, but a better comparison anyway)
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void main??? no indenting?? for loop not used?
Limitations of slashdot's ecode tag, sorry. The for loop is the only part of that code that doesn't typically show up in a c or c++ "how-to" book.
Also, you seem to have been paying more attention to the code rather than noticing the year I cited that I wrote it. It's not logical to assume I wasn't even born then, but I wasn't. Furthermore, the GPL didn't come into existence until the mid or late '80s, and C probly didn't even have as much structure as I put there in 1969 (UNIX was still in development in a lab).
I don't know why I responded to Anonymous Coward, though. Even when I troll I still use my username. :)
What if those three lines are just the function signatures, and you write your own implementation?
Then either you're safe or free software is in serious danger. GNU started to be a "free unix" by implementing all the same api's (and making whatever changes and improvements were logical and necessary). When you implement an api, the function signature has to be the same as the one you're trying to implement, otherwise other apps can't use your implementation.
It's gotta be a combination of stuff besides function signatures. Like, you have to have function signatures, and then blocks of 8-20 bytes of instructions that are identical, stuff like that.
Ok, I wrote the following code fragment and GPLd it back in 1969:
ANd I have seen variants of this code all over the place where they only took like 3 lines of it, but I just can't get ANYONE to admit to stealing it and giving their code away!
There is so such thing as a legal proceeding outside the U.S.A. you know :)
We're taught in school to call those "wars" when we win, and "police actions" when we don't win. We never lose.
But either interpretation leads to the same conclusion. If this derivative work was created by making an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, then any copyright claim on this work is invalid, and we're all free to copy and distribute it as we see fit.
I think you might've missed something. I didn't RTFA, as a matter of fact, but the GPL doesn't require you to distribute the source code with the software. Not specifically, no, but it is the recommended way to meet the license (what if you go out of business and all the source code is destroyed? etc etc etc).
First we need to ask them for the source code. Then we need to keep asking them, leaving a paper trail. If they fail to provide the source code, then they are violating the GPL. You can't distribute the binary and not distribute the source code in machine-readable format. (So you can't just send me a printout, you *must* send it on a floppy, or a CD, or a dvd, or send me a hard drive with a modern filesystem (not that I care, GNU/Linux reads any filesystem anyway) )
If you distribute the binary of a GPL derivative work, and you don't distribute the source code for the derivative (i.e. you can't distribute with modifications and then not give the code for your modifications as well as the rest), then you've violated the GPL.
Finally, you have to inform the person to whom you are distributing that the software they are receiving is GPL. Ususal methods apply, like README, or the click-through license agreement, and so forth. Because you have to give them the license under which you received the software, because it's the only way you have permission to distribute the software.
IANAL, after all that. :) However, it's entirely possible that this would best be attacked as a class-action lawsuit, on behalf of the free software community. Then they could give the money to Mandrake or someone. :) (Better yet, and seriously this time, give it to Debian and tell 'em to give us a graphical installer)
Alright dude, I think you've just topped the hill of the best soviet russia jokes. :)
In soviet russia, hill tops YOU.
No one has had the proper combination of balls and stupidity yet
Heh, I know someone who has the proper combination. Problem is, he's not a programmer. In any case, he has to find it himself. If I give it to him, he'll just say I gave it to him, and then I'll have to prove I abode the GPL (which shouldn't be that hard, really, since I would of course fulfill my obligation :) )
Litigation is what civilized societies do.
So, then, since the United States has so much good, strong, and healthy litigation, that makes us more civilized than the rest of the world? :)
I thought negotiation and compromise were the cornerstones of civilization, rather than arguing about "my toy" or "my code" or "my way".
Just for the record, I'm not supporting people stealing Linux code, I just question the use of the word "civilization" with regard to present times. (I also just spent half an hour reading Google News, and I'm thinking that was a mistake)
I mean we still use law, mathematics and science from 200 year ago don't we?
Nah, our dictate, er, President has been repealing everything left and right. 200 years ago is still too new for him, he wants us to only worry about laws laid down 2000 years ago.
I forgot to mention that meditating for me was a phase I went through. I don't actually do it anymore. :) (unless you count the thinking that goes along with smoking a cigarette by yourself, since I have to go outside to smoke and nobody ever goes with me, at least, not in the winter time)
I read a long time ago that hiccups are a sudden muscle contraction. Somehow I found out and actually felt which muscle it was. Actively controlling it ensures that I never have a second hiccup either.
When I read up on Eastern meditation techniques, the first thing all the experts talk about is breathing. But you don't breathe like a white guy breaths, you have to breathe big, fill your stomach up first, and then your chest. Hold for a couple of counts, then let it out at the same rate you took it in.
You're supposed to breathe like this all the time (or rather, breathing like this all the time has proven itself somehow, but I forget how), but I only started doing it to meditate. I started getting serious hiccups when I wasn't meditating.
After awhile, the hiccups just went away. I don't know when I noticed that I was breathing the "fancy way" all the time now, but I dn't normally consciously notice it. I also don't get hiccups anymore.
don't women hiccup when they get my 10cc delivered at 38mph? Are they just *that* good at closing off their glottis?
Why you asking me? Isn't this something you should be telling instead of asking?
watching a medical TV emission
That sounds nasty, what did you do about having observed a medical TV emission? Did you report it to the authorities so they could remove it?
That way the next time I get the hiccups, she'll understand why I start going for, uh well, if you read the article you'll know.
Researchers have also confirmed that doing that prevents hiccups.
I tried that with my wife and got milk squirted in my face. It was a bit too literal for me to handle....
On the other it seems quite a trivial thing to be searching for answers on. Why does it matter, really?
Because in a couple of weeks they'll put out an article saying "Oral Sex cures hiccups", and that is expected to improve the author's sex life dramatically.
He also sneezes 3-4 times in a row on a regular basis, and quite enjoys that.
I'm like 28, and I still enjoy sneezing 3-4 times in a row. I usually it enjoy more afterwards, although it does get tedious. I do *not* enjoy sneezing when I'm sick, because of the headache associated (like right now).
BOO!
Early early in my marriage my wife used to get the hiccups a lot. I tried telling her I had AIDS and the hiccups went away! She was so shocked, and upset, she was ready to dismember me. So, to save my member, I told her "No, I was just saying that to get rid of your hiccups." So she started hicupping again.
When you yawn, you're readjusting the pressure inside your head. It's why your ears pop. When someone else yawns, they've just altered the pressure around your head so now YOU have to calibrate your pressure to match the NEW air pressure.
I think this post has altered the air pressure around my head, YAWN.
While I realize you're just being a dick I've got to ask why you picked me for such an ignorant post. I'm the typical Irish-English moronic imigrant (as you so eloquently illustrate and personify) so I don't know why your anti-black comments are directed at me. If you're going to post ignorant insults like that shouldn't you at least know who you're talking to?
Whoah dude, calm down. Don't take the AC so seriously when he was obviously trying to get a rise out of you. He succeeded, apparently. Fact is, if we ignore people like that guy, they'll go away eventually. but if we feed them...
That's why they're called "trolls". :)
Dude, you were winning until you got to the end. :)
I take it back, I misread the last phrase of the second-to-last sentence.
Alright, you won. I yield to a fucking AC. Ah well. :)
I want to live in a world where "NASA - Need Another Seven Astronauts" can be modded as (-1, Tasteless), not (+1, Informative).
What does it say about a guy when I read that sentence and remember the Challenger? Hmm......hopefully nothing about age....
I would have expected the use of something like a methanol mix in the later stages of cleaning.
I'd have made the FNG handle it. (FNG = Fucking New Guy)
Peroxide only bubbles on contact with a wound, but doesn't hurt.
It tickles! Sometimes I want to wound myself just so I can put peroxide on it, I love it!
Other times, I'm more sane.
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
I don't know how to tell you this, but 10 in binary represents the number 2, but can/can't is a boolean relationship. Perhaps it would be better to say "There is 1 type of people in this world..." and then describe the boolean relationship.
No, I'm not a geek. I can just count binary, that's all.
some of the people are hard-working people doing the jobs that American's refuse to do,
In Texas, these aren't jobs that americans refuse to do. They're jobs that Americans can't do and make a living. They wind up on welfare, and unable to get jobs. The sheer number of illegal immigrants drives the starting wages to the lower-echelon jobs down almost to minimum wage. Many companies favor hiring the illegals over legals because they can write it off differently, and save money that way (or take more home).
but some of them cross the border to use our medicine, fill our jails, and ship illegal drugs in (I'm not talking pot here folks, Coke|Heroin doesn't all come in by the container ship load), while not paying a dime in taxes.
If they paid taxes, would that make it ok?
Jokes aside, this isn't a problem that comes about as a result of illegal immigrants. Drugs are a separate social issue. I've seen plenty of American citizens drive across the border and buy pot/coke/heroin/valium/whatever and bring it back to sell. (Seen a few good friends go down as a result) Dealing with this problem at the immigration level is the wrong place to deal with it.
but do not abuse the system,
Agreed. :) Use it, don't abuse it.
I guess my only real point is that immigration isn't the place to settle these problems. I'm not saying that our immigration department (or whatever the fuck it's called) is doing a picture perfect job or anything, because it's not. In fact, I know a lady that came over from England with a Visa from England. She in turn went to England from another country and there from her home country, with all the visas involved. She had a visitation permit, rather than a work permit, for 3 months. She says she got it renewed and extended for a long time, but I don't think so. She was always afraid of getting deported and complained that she couldn't get a "real" job (ie one that didn't pay cash). I know an illegal when I see one (provided I have enough time to spot the signals, it's not a visual cue), and she was definitely illegal. :) Immigration, or whoever it is that grants these temporary visas, definitely fell down on the job with her. It wouldn't have been hard to follow a paper trail to her. They probly could've found it without ever leaving the office.
It's the same exploit as an attacker using an old user account on your machine to login. You need to keep your user accounts clean and current, only. Or an attacker that logs in with a valid account and just stays logged in, while you delete everything around him. If you don't terminate the session, he's still there. :) (not necessarily the most practical attack, but a better comparison anyway)