Yes, I think I'm better than him. No, actually I know I'm better than him, because I would never sink so low as to start killing innocent defenseless children for any reason, political or otherwise.
I would never take a human life, not even his. And the vast majority of Norwegians agree with me, which is why Breivik failed in his mission to change anything at all.
Because it is likely that he will always be a danger to society, he's completely unrepentant.
The sentence includes mandatory re-assessment when a term is over, but you can be 100% sure that he will be found unfit to re-enter society at large, every time.
Nope, ain't ever gonna happen. His sentence is "forvaring", which can be extended indefinitely to protect the populace, fully in accordance with the applicable human rights.
The "law" of Jante has been severely misused over the years, especially by people who think it's about envy or keeping others down.
It describes the behavior of small semi-insular societies, where everyone was expected to pitch in and work for the good of the community. If you took off on flights of unproductive fancy in such a community, you would be shunned and shamed for not contributing to the common good.
But we've moved beyond that. No one is really keeping anyone down anymore, talents are praised and encouraged. But we do have a severe dislike of ostentatious displays of material wealth for the empty and pointless self-promotion that it is. So actual talent = awesome, but meaningless displays of money = idiotic. Pretty sensible attitude, I'd say.
By treating him the same as any other prisoner, his intended end result of his actions is nullified. He will not have changed society, he will not have made any kind of political impact, he will be worthless (in his own eyes), the same as everyone else.
It's the ultimate punishment for a narcissist like him.
If society chooses to jail people insted then you are limited by various human rights laws.
And rightly so. As monstrous as his actions were, he is still a human.
If Norway were to enact special Breivik laws, he would have achieved part of his goals of changing society with his actions. By treating him with the same basic respect as any other human being, he will have achieved exactly nothing, the ultimate punishment for a narcissist like him.
Having him sit alone in prison, with no means of spreading his sick ideas, is the greatest punishment you can give a narcissist like him. If you kill him, it's done and over (and you'll be a murderer), but this way he gets to know that his actions did not change a damn thing, that his actions (and him, by extension) were pointless.
If we exact vengeance on him, either by letting him into genpop so he can be slaughtered by the other prisoners, or by sentencing him to death, we will be murderers, no better than he his. This is the greatest test any modern system of criminal law can be subjected to.
The headline is highly misleading, he only won part of the case.
He won on the argument that article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights was broken, the part about inhumane treatment, referring to repeatedly invasive searches and complete isolation.
He didn't win the rest of the case, the part about the food and other general conditions, the whiny crybaby part.
I get 5 weeks paid vacation, another 6 days paid optional vacation (which can be paid out in cash instead, effectively a week of double salary) and as much paid sick leave as I need, though I'll have to provide a note from my doctor for extended sick leaves. I can roll up to one week of vacation over to the next year.
My work week is 34.5 hours, as my lunch break is on the company dime. The downside is that I have to drop everything and get back to work ASAP if needed. This has happened less than 10 times in the 8 years I've been working at this company.
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Yes, I think I'm better than him. No, actually I know I'm better than him, because I would never sink so low as to start killing innocent defenseless children for any reason, political or otherwise.
I would never take a human life, not even his. And the vast majority of Norwegians agree with me, which is why Breivik failed in his mission to change anything at all.
His sentence is "forvaring", which can be extended. It's still the same sentence.
Because it is likely that he will always be a danger to society, he's completely unrepentant.
The sentence includes mandatory re-assessment when a term is over, but you can be 100% sure that he will be found unfit to re-enter society at large, every time.
Nope, ain't ever gonna happen. His sentence is "forvaring", which can be extended indefinitely to protect the populace, fully in accordance with the applicable human rights.
The "law" of Jante has been severely misused over the years, especially by people who think it's about envy or keeping others down.
It describes the behavior of small semi-insular societies, where everyone was expected to pitch in and work for the good of the community. If you took off on flights of unproductive fancy in such a community, you would be shunned and shamed for not contributing to the common good.
But we've moved beyond that. No one is really keeping anyone down anymore, talents are praised and encouraged. But we do have a severe dislike of ostentatious displays of material wealth for the empty and pointless self-promotion that it is. So actual talent = awesome, but meaningless displays of money = idiotic. Pretty sensible attitude, I'd say.
Justice is not an unfeeling iron fist, can it with the Judge Dredd fantasies.
Who gets to decide who lives and who dies? Who would just trust with such absolute power over life and death?
No, because it will contribute to an escalation of the acceptance of violence in society.
No, but extremists who share his views on immigration and politics certainly would.
He's a whiny cowardly manbaby who wouldn't last a minute against an opponent of his own size.
Because then he will have achieved at least one his goals, to prove that his way of doing things is right.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
You're right, of course, but I'm fairly sure a lot of prisoners would be willing to make an exception in his case.
He won't, because he will never be released.
And even if he did, he would be dead within a day. Which is part of the reason why he will never be released.
No. By doing that, you're just playing into his hand, he would have achieved part of what he set out to do, namely changing the Norwegian society.
By treating him the same as any other prisoner, you completely nullify his goals, the ultimate punishment for a narcissist like him.
No, it proves that Norway is correct.
By treating him the same as any other prisoner, his intended end result of his actions is nullified. He will not have changed society, he will not have made any kind of political impact, he will be worthless (in his own eyes), the same as everyone else.
It's the ultimate punishment for a narcissist like him.
If society chooses to jail people insted then you are limited by various human rights laws.
And rightly so. As monstrous as his actions were, he is still a human.
If Norway were to enact special Breivik laws, he would have achieved part of his goals of changing society with his actions. By treating him with the same basic respect as any other human being, he will have achieved exactly nothing, the ultimate punishment for a narcissist like him.
He's in complete isolation. There is no worse punishment for a narcissist like him.
Having him sit alone in prison, with no means of spreading his sick ideas, is the greatest punishment you can give a narcissist like him. If you kill him, it's done and over (and you'll be a murderer), but this way he gets to know that his actions did not change a damn thing, that his actions (and him, by extension) were pointless.
Are you finished with your sick vengeance fantasies?
If that is actually, seriously what you would do, you are no better than him.
No. Capital punishment is murder, and if we murder him, we sink to his level. We must never do that.
If we exact vengeance on him, either by letting him into genpop so he can be slaughtered by the other prisoners, or by sentencing him to death, we will be murderers, no better than he his. This is the greatest test any modern system of criminal law can be subjected to.
He will never be released, the sentence will be extended again and again until he dies in confinement.
The headline is highly misleading, he only won part of the case.
He won on the argument that article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights was broken, the part about inhumane treatment, referring to repeatedly invasive searches and complete isolation.
He didn't win the rest of the case, the part about the food and other general conditions, the whiny crybaby part.
Yeah, it's called a spouse or children ;-)
I get 5 weeks paid vacation, another 6 days paid optional vacation (which can be paid out in cash instead, effectively a week of double salary) and as much paid sick leave as I need, though I'll have to provide a note from my doctor for extended sick leaves. I can roll up to one week of vacation over to the next year.
My work week is 34.5 hours, as my lunch break is on the company dime. The downside is that I have to drop everything and get back to work ASAP if needed. This has happened less than 10 times in the 8 years I've been working at this company.
Living in a "socialist hellhole" has benefits :-)