Who's pointing the gun? As I mentioned, the US hasn't signed the treaty yet, right? WHO has the biggest GUN?
One has to look at the overall situation. Nothing is perfect. But to keep the whole better, some must make sacrifices. The difference is the model under which these sacrifices take place. In the military, insubordination is treated as treason(or some thing else that is just as serious) and the perpetrator can be shot. And yet almost every normal country has a military that they are very proud of. Its a different model of doing things. Military ensures the stability of a country against malicious invaders. Because millitaries are accepted by every one in the world, they prosper.
Still, China is does not have such a ridged system, its a different model--one that not yet accepted by the world. As all complaints about China goes--Its bad here, its bad there... Its bad because they are compensating for some problems-- such as a quarter of the world's population. Try to govern that many people all cramed in very little space using the American model. It will fail miserably.
All this said, I must take a deep bow to those who did make such great sacrifices in order to change a flawed system. They are the truly respectable ones. acknowledge the changes that they have made, and help China to keep these changes. Don't destroy their legacies by ignoring the things that they paid so much for.
Exactly my point. Don't complaint about lack of human rights and labor laws, if you can't live without it. I'm sure alot of ppl on/. makes enough money to boycott Chinese produce, MANY PEOPLE CAN'T. So, taking every thing in to consideration, there isn't much that can be done.
I agree that war is not about to be caused by China, it makes no economical sense. It is United States that I would be worried about. For one thing, it still didn't sign that treaty about Nuclear weapons, right? What is that all about?
In Bejing, the Capital of China, there are two very white strips of writing on the red wall, right by chairman Mao's picture(They are big, you can see it all the way across from the tian an men square). One side talks about the longevity of communism and chinese people. The other side hails the longevity of WORLD PEACE! Thats right, It is some thing that was carved in to China as a country when it was formed!
I suggest that every one find a translator and go and take a look at it. where do you see, any where in the United States, or in any country, that opening proclaims that there should be WORLD PEACE in a place that represents national pride?
But technological advancement does not impede world peace, it extends it! So I think millitary considerations should not be such a high priority. In this world, its all about who does the right thing, not who has the biggest gun.
Try this if you don't think so. Start boycotting Chinese produce today to protest ________(what ever, human rights issues, epsionage, what ever you can think of.) See how happy you will be a week from today.
Or try this, make your kid stop watching pokemon for a week. See how happy you will be.
Its nolonger about guns and radars, and missiles. In the new world order, the information age, no one oughta be willing to damage human life to get what he wants. the war is fought on a very different plane.
Politics aside, why isn't every body celebrating the fact that humans are now one more step to being universally smarter, stronger and better?
Stolen technology? The reason science and technology has even developed to this stage is BECAUSE knowledge is shared. Rejoice to the fact that what should have happened happened.
Now that comment aside, I personally believe that its very hard to get correct news in the United States. Soon after Chinese ambasey bombing(be it intenional or not.) "news" surfaced that Taiwanese scienteist stole secret information for PRC. The week that Unite States refused to sign the nulcear test ban treaty, it was "discovered" that an boeing leaks information to China that can help it to deploy neuclear weapon. I've seen at least 3 reports of Chinese satelite launch crash in the US news. But NEVER ONCE a report of sucess. Granted, sucess happen so often that its not even news worthy, but for those that is still mostly disconnected with China, you think that Chinese steals BECAUSE you don't know what lead up to this sudden sucess. If I didn't know how about the centuries humans spent learning and experimenting, I'd think that modern science was left by UFO's or something.
In any case, this is of course not to say that China couldn't have done some thing underhandedly. Which country doesn't? The truth is survival first, you do what you have to. No one has THE right to survival--it, unfortunately is, just every one for him self. (You just don't hear about some country's)
Last comment, as many have pointed out. United States citizens should not be so happy that US is so far ahead of the rest of the world. It should be thankful for all the telents they provided US with. There are a LOT of Chinese people working in American research labs and indistries to make it better. Don't hurt them too much.
The real richness is not in the money of one person. It is in the Richness of the whole! The CEO is rich only because he has made(or maintains) his company rich(ness). So the real winner are those who can contribute to the whole--those who makes a bigger pie, instead of cutting off a bigger piece for him self.
the name openlinux.org is mentioned many times on their main page.(The email addresses all go there) and if you look up the domain registration, you'll see that at least the ppl who registered the domain name is from caldera. I wonder how Caldera is related with BP?
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First, I must say, I'm not yet done with my college undergraduate work. But I am totally saddned by this question. When I first started college, I had a much broader goal, I wanted to learn about Artificial Intelligence, and make the ultimate AI machine that can solve all the problems in the world. Now, as I am doing my last year of college, I find that it was a big mistake. My goal was way to _specific_!! It will take too long to explain why, but to look for a college to learn about computers, here are some things to pay attention to: First go to a real school. At least top 5, MIT, CMU, Stanford... Contrary to popular opinion, it does matter--even for undergraduate studies! And if you are properlly motivated, a school with good graduate or research programs is better than a school with good undregraduate program.
Once you are there, do not be limited by what you think you like. Definately do well in the area that you really aim to learn about. BUT do explore other areas, as well as learn your fundamental mathematics! There is absolutely nothing to loose if you are seriously interested in computers. As I found, every class that I looked forwared to taking I did not learn much from. And it is from those classes that I went in to with mixed feelings(like "what the heck am I taking this for?") That I enjoyed the most, and learned the most from.
Only 10th grade. You have much to look forward to. definately stop paying so much attention to how to set up your own linux box, and how to set up a home or school network, or how to write device drivers, or how to write such and such big project. Go explore computer SCIENCE more. There are many wholly different worlds there.
Those who has gone through college might agree with me. Of course, many of my friends are also looking forward to getting 60 a year, so...
p.s. I agree with a previous poster about CMU, This is one awesome school. To add to the credentials, CMU has SEI(Software Engineering Instute.) The largest(and gets most money) Software Engineering place in the USA. If writing software on different platforms, combining different languages, in large program projects is some thing that is important to you, this might be a good motive. If, on the other hand, _computer_language_ is some thing that interest you, CMU has some awesome progarmming language/compilers ppl, including Peter Lee,Dana Scott, etc... hmm this is slightly off topic. not that CMU needs any advertisement;-)
They used to have a paper out there that gives the details to PageRank techniques.If you are really interested, look up PageRank at http://cora.jprc.com where there is a search engine for CS papers. I know one of their papers was published at the 7th WWW conference titled "The anatomy of somehting or other." check www9.org
Hi all, slightly off topic. What is Linus hired to do at transmeta, other than to possibly increses public awareness of the company(for which reason I am sure Linus won't agree to work for them.)
Does it use Linux? Does it matter if it uses Linux? "There is no Wall that can keep the wind in." Maybe there is just nothing specific to leak out(yet)?
Hey, why isn't anybody else doing this? The PageRank that they are using is not the only method to do this. Implementing this stuff is very easy. Why doesn't lycos, altavista, and even yahoo use some thing similar to this?
Does anybody feel that another search engine does better (other than in terms of coverage) than google? Why doesn't the other guys learn?
Maybe a good thing to explain is what happens when 2 people use the same method, and one of them patents it(after the other has used the same idea), what happens to the second guy?
(original point stands, Pagerank isn't the only way, and not nec. the best way to do this...)
Hi, remember that/. story a short bit ago about this cult that was going on in China? Most American media treated that group as an opressed group. Leaving its true nature behind, one big mistake that group made was to spend a lot of energy complaining. They stood infront of government offices for days on end in 'peaceful' protest(actually block traffic, and normal administrative operations). Once the real power became annoyed at their actions, they were in deep trouble
Any ways, to get back on topic, I am constantly reminded of that aweful group when I hear about anti-linux ppl getting attacked for pointing out problems about Linux(Or attacking sites not using linux). This is the kind of thing that will bring any thing down to its knees--even Linux. Linux is linux only because of the people behind it. Any mistake we make, we make it for Linux; every bit of damage we cause, we cause it on to Linux.
I don't how people like you live in the US. Americans are one of the most patriotic people on the face of the earth!
Am I suggesting that you are not patriotic? YES. you are so clouded by your judgement against the Chinese government that you failed to look at situation rationally and objectively! PEOPLE ARE DYING!!! I can't believe that you are looking at all those crying faces on TV, and telling me that they are all paid actors. Ohh, wait, you probably don't get to see the families of the demented, dying, and the dead. sorry, I forgot about the American media....
Well, there are demented, dying, and dead. Because of certain under-educated, self concocted, mystical believe system, that uses Budhist terminology, but does not follow budhist teachings. Its a mix of religion, meditation, and POLITICS. yes. it is a political organization. I remember once, the head of the organizatino said. "Some people practice Qigong under trees. but I see, that after a few years, the trees are dead from them rolling too much under them. Why must they practice Qigong under trees?? And kill the trees? Go practice some where else...."
The main activity for those people gathered in front of Chinese government office is to "Practice Qigong." the message was that some how that ground was a good place for practicing. But WHY? there are plenty of good places to practice Qigong, why infront of the Chinese government. Don't tell me that the Million men march in washington didn't have a political reason behind it. To claim that they must practice their Qigong infront of Chinese government, and that it was totally pure in intentions, and had no political reasons, and especially in such tumultuous times in China, is simply naive.
Qigong inherently does is not religious. People researched and utilized it for over 5000 years--Usually hidden in mountains, for exactly this reason: Very easily it can bring a "head cutting crime" to its practitioner. To use a Qigong organization, to even remotely promote such a sensitive activity, is just plainly not the way to go from Traditional Chinese Qigong.
Any ways, main point is, it is political. Treat it as a political activity that these people are involved in, and then tell me that you think the government is trying to disalow a political party.... I'm fine with that. Go and bite the government's head off if you want for doing that, and I might even help you chew.
>No matter, says Diercouff. Soon, the various BSD distributions will be able to run Linux applications, including office productivity suites such as StarOffice. Any body notice this? Even though it might be completely different situation, but OS/2 had Windoz emulation(Or what ever they used) That only contributed to OS/2's demise. Nobody developed for OS/2 because their application will be able to run on it any ways. Even though OS/2 is technically much better machine(as bsd is being claimed to be compared to Linux), It never caught on.
Google is good, but as many has noted, it lacks comprehensiveness. The gut of Google is in its application of novel indexing technique first published by Kleinberg(http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/ kleinber.html) In a 1997 paper(http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/auth .ps). Google also benefits from a agressively engineered spidering/storage etc.
But there is at least one other notable institution appying Kleinberg's technique. Take a look at NEC's inquirus: http://inquirus.nj.nec.com/ Its slow... But it demonstrates some other Klienberg's Algorithm's properties and applications. Enjoy!
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You make the statement that "Theives are regularly condemned to death in China." How do you know? How regular is regular? What kind of theives?
Just wondering.
Who's pointing the gun? As I mentioned, the US hasn't signed the treaty yet, right? WHO has the biggest GUN?
One has to look at the overall situation. Nothing is perfect. But to keep the whole better, some must make sacrifices. The difference is the model under which these sacrifices take place. In the military, insubordination is treated as treason(or some thing else that is just as serious) and the perpetrator can be shot. And yet almost every normal country has a military that they are very proud of. Its a different model of doing things. Military ensures the stability of a country against malicious invaders. Because millitaries are accepted by every one in the world, they prosper.
Still, China is does not have such a ridged system, its a different model--one that not yet accepted by the world. As all complaints about China goes--Its bad here, its bad there... Its bad because they are compensating for some problems-- such as a quarter of the world's population. Try to govern that many people all cramed in very little space using the American model. It will fail miserably.
All this said, I must take a deep bow to those who did make such great sacrifices in order to change a flawed system. They are the truly respectable ones. acknowledge the changes that they have made, and help China to keep these changes. Don't destroy their legacies by ignoring the things that they paid so much for.
I know the origin of pokemons. My point stands.
/. makes enough money to boycott Chinese produce, MANY PEOPLE CAN'T. So, taking every thing in to consideration, there isn't much that can be done.
Exactly my point. Don't complaint about lack of human rights and labor laws, if you can't live without it. I'm sure alot of ppl on
I agree that war is not about to be caused by China, it makes no economical sense. It is United States that I would be worried about. For one thing, it still didn't sign that treaty about Nuclear weapons, right? What is that all about?
In Bejing, the Capital of China, there are two very white strips of writing on the red wall, right by chairman Mao's picture(They are big, you can see it all the way across from the tian an men square). One side talks about the longevity of communism and chinese people. The other side hails the longevity of WORLD PEACE! Thats right, It is some thing that was carved in to China as a country when it was formed!
I suggest that every one find a translator and go and take a look at it. where do you see, any where in the United States, or in any country, that opening proclaims that there should be WORLD PEACE in a place that represents national pride?
But technological advancement does not impede world peace, it extends it! So I think millitary considerations should not be such a high priority. In this world, its all about who does the right thing, not who has the biggest gun.
Try this if you don't think so. Start boycotting Chinese produce today to protest ________(what ever, human rights issues, epsionage, what ever you can think of.) See how happy you will be a week from today.
Or try this, make your kid stop watching pokemon for a week. See how happy you will be.
Its nolonger about guns and radars, and missiles. In the new world order, the information age, no one oughta be willing to damage human life to get what he wants. the war is fought on a very different plane.
enjoy.
Politics aside, why isn't every body celebrating the fact that humans are now one more step to being universally smarter, stronger and better?
Stolen technology? The reason science and technology has even developed to this stage is BECAUSE knowledge is shared. Rejoice to the fact that what should have happened happened.
Now that comment aside, I personally believe that its very hard to get correct news in the United States. Soon after Chinese ambasey bombing(be it intenional or not.) "news" surfaced that Taiwanese scienteist stole secret information for PRC. The week that Unite States refused to sign the nulcear test ban treaty, it was "discovered" that an boeing leaks information to China that can help it to deploy neuclear weapon. I've seen at least 3 reports of Chinese satelite launch crash in the US news. But NEVER ONCE a report of sucess. Granted, sucess happen so often that its not even news worthy, but for those that is still mostly disconnected with China, you think that Chinese steals BECAUSE you don't know what lead up to this sudden sucess. If I didn't know how about the centuries humans spent learning and experimenting, I'd think that modern science was left by UFO's or something.
In any case, this is of course not to say that China couldn't have done some thing underhandedly. Which country doesn't? The truth is survival first, you do what you have to. No one has THE right to survival--it, unfortunately is, just every one for him self. (You just don't hear about some country's)
Last comment, as many have pointed out. United States citizens should not be so happy that US is so far ahead of the rest of the world. It should be thankful for all the telents they provided US with. There are a LOT of Chinese people working in American research labs and indistries to make it better. Don't hurt them too much.
(20440gigabytes/sec)/(1024Gigabyte/TB)=
_______________19.961TB/s_______________
Now some body add in some EC code, say we use up 10% of the traffic for EC, stil have 19TB/sec!!!
The real richness is not in the money of one person. It is in the Richness of the whole! The CEO is rich only because he has made(or maintains) his company rich(ness). So the real winner are those who can contribute to the whole--those who makes a bigger pie, instead of cutting off a bigger piece for him self.
My 2 Cents.
Just because it causes this good on a local scale, is it actually goodfor us over all? Using up the stored calcium? Does this wear people out earlier?
;)
In any case, here at CMU, we'll probly be the first to find out long term effect of super-caffine-consumption
the name openlinux.org is mentioned many times on their main page.(The email addresses all go there) and if you look up the domain registration, you'll see that at least the ppl who registered the domain name is from caldera. I wonder how Caldera is related with BP?
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First, I must say, I'm not yet done with my college undergraduate work. But I am totally saddned by this question. When I first started college, I had a much broader goal, I wanted to learn about Artificial Intelligence, and make the ultimate AI machine that can solve all the problems in the world. Now, as I am doing my last year of college, I find that it was a big mistake. My goal was way to _specific_!! It will take too long to explain why, but to look for a college to learn about computers, here are some things to pay attention to: First go to a real school. At least top 5, MIT, CMU, Stanford... Contrary to popular opinion, it does matter--even for undergraduate studies! And if you are properlly motivated, a school with good graduate or research programs is better than a school with good undregraduate program.
;-)
Once you are there, do not be limited by what you think you like. Definately do well in the area that you really aim to learn about. BUT do explore other areas, as well as learn your fundamental mathematics! There is absolutely nothing to loose if you are seriously interested in computers. As I found, every class that I looked forwared to taking I did not learn much from. And it is from those classes that I went in to with mixed feelings(like "what the heck am I taking this for?") That I enjoyed the most, and learned the most from.
Only 10th grade. You have much to look forward to. definately stop paying so much attention to how to set up your own linux box, and how to set up a home or school network, or how to write device drivers, or how to write such and such big project. Go explore computer SCIENCE more. There are many wholly different worlds there.
Those who has gone through college might agree with me. Of course, many of my friends are also looking forward to getting 60 a year, so...
p.s. I agree with a previous poster about CMU, This is one awesome school. To add to the credentials, CMU has SEI(Software Engineering Instute.) The largest(and gets most money) Software Engineering place in the USA. If writing software on different platforms, combining different languages, in large program projects is some thing that is important to you, this might be a good motive. If, on the other hand, _computer_language_ is some thing that interest you, CMU has some awesome progarmming language/compilers ppl, including Peter Lee,Dana Scott, etc... hmm this is slightly off topic. not that CMU needs any advertisement
My Netscape keeps on crashing after taking 20 minutes to load this page.(From U.S.) Sabotage? Is there a need? Anybody else experience this?
They used to have a paper out there that gives the details to PageRank techniques.If you are really interested, look up PageRank at http://cora.jprc.com where there is a search engine for CS papers. I know one of their papers was published at the 7th WWW conference titled "The anatomy of somehting or other." check www9.org
Hi all, slightly off topic. What is Linus hired to do at transmeta, other than to possibly increses public awareness of the company(for which reason I am sure Linus won't agree to work for them.)
Does it use Linux? Does it matter if it uses Linux? "There is no Wall that can keep the wind in." Maybe there is just nothing specific to leak out(yet)?
Comments? inside info? broken NDA's? ANY THING!!!
Does anybody feel that another search engine does better (other than in terms of coverage) than google? Why doesn't the other guys learn?
Maybe a good thing to explain is what happens when 2 people use the same method, and one of them patents it(after the other has used the same idea), what happens to the second guy?
(original point stands, Pagerank isn't the only way, and not nec. the best way to do this...)
Any ways, to get back on topic, I am constantly reminded of that aweful group when I hear about anti-linux ppl getting attacked for pointing out problems about Linux(Or attacking sites not using linux). This is the kind of thing that will bring any thing down to its knees--even Linux. Linux is linux only because of the people behind it. Any mistake we make, we make it for Linux; every bit of damage we cause, we cause it on to Linux.
my 2 cents.
I don't how people like you live in the US. Americans are one of the most patriotic people on the face of the earth!
Am I suggesting that you are not patriotic? YES. you are so clouded by your judgement against the Chinese government that you failed to look at situation rationally and objectively! PEOPLE ARE DYING!!! I can't believe that you are looking at all those crying faces on TV, and telling me that they are all paid actors. Ohh, wait, you probably don't get to see the families of the demented, dying, and the dead. sorry, I forgot about the American media....
Well, there are demented, dying, and dead. Because of certain under-educated, self concocted, mystical believe system, that uses Budhist terminology, but does not follow budhist teachings. Its a mix of religion, meditation, and POLITICS. yes. it is a political organization. I remember once, the head of the organizatino said. "Some people practice Qigong under trees. but I see, that after a few years, the trees are dead from them rolling too much under them. Why must they practice Qigong under trees?? And kill the trees? Go practice some where else...."
The main activity for those people gathered in front of Chinese government office is to "Practice Qigong." the message was that some how that ground was a good place for practicing. But WHY? there are plenty of good places to practice Qigong, why infront of the Chinese government. Don't tell me that the Million men march in washington didn't have a political reason behind it. To claim that they must practice their Qigong infront of Chinese government, and that it was totally pure in intentions, and had no political reasons, and especially in such tumultuous times in China, is simply naive.
Qigong inherently does is not religious. People researched and utilized it for over 5000 years--Usually hidden in mountains, for exactly this reason: Very easily it can bring a "head cutting crime" to its practitioner. To use a Qigong organization, to even remotely promote such a sensitive activity, is just plainly not the way to go from Traditional Chinese Qigong.
Any ways, main point is, it is political. Treat it as a political activity that these people are involved in, and then tell me that you think the government is trying to disalow a political party.... I'm fine with that. Go and bite the government's head off if you want for doing that, and I might even help you chew.
>No matter, says Diercouff. Soon, the various BSD distributions will be able to run Linux applications, including office productivity suites such as StarOffice.
Any body notice this? Even though it might be completely different situation, but OS/2 had Windoz emulation(Or what ever they used) That only contributed to OS/2's demise. Nobody developed for OS/2 because their application will be able to run on it any ways. Even though OS/2 is technically much better machine(as bsd is being claimed to be compared to Linux), It never caught on.
Google is good, but as many has noted, it lacks comprehensiveness. The gut of Google is in its application of novel indexing technique first published by Kleinberg(http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/ kleinber.html) In a 1997 paper(http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/auth .ps). Google also benefits from a agressively engineered spidering/storage etc.
But there is at least one other notable institution appying Kleinberg's technique. Take a look at NEC's inquirus: http://inquirus.nj.nec.com/
Its slow... But it demonstrates some other Klienberg's Algorithm's properties and applications. Enjoy!