No. The vast majority of any nation's CO2 is NOT from ppl. It is from businesses, and are decisions made by businesses. Hell, you even claim that more than 1/2 of this is for exports to America (which is another lie, but hey, you seem to want to buy that crap).
The fact is, that China is not only the top emitter (double what America currently emits), BUT, they are one of the worst 3 for emissions / $GDP, which is the real issue.
again, based on false numbers from a gov that is trying hard to cover up the facts and not being held responsible.
In the mean time, CO2 continues to climb, the number of coal plants in China climb grow faster than the entire rest of the world.
what is fair and balanced have to do with honest numbers from the Chinese gov? They have already proven that they are liars WRT climate change and raw data that effects it.
And why are you biased?
And as to CHina's numbers, keep in mind that those that are coming up with the CHinese numbers say that it is, AT BEST, 3-5% growth. Many of those that are following CHina, say that they are already in recession.
why? the amount of CO2 that mankind puts off is SOOO much bigger than that. IOW, that will make no difference, esp. when comparing on a year to year basis.
At this time, all of the major CO2 numbers are NOT done by sat. For western data, they are done by ground monitoring combined with data from govs. OTOH, 3rd world nation numbers, and sadly, China lumps themselves as 3rd world on this, are done by estimates based on data that gov. give up. China specifically forbids ANY physical monitoring.
Now, there are 2 sats above the globe measuring CO2. One is from Japan but has very poor resolution. The second is OCO-2. That is the one that showed that China was so far off, that China was forced to recently increase their coal numbers by 17% for the last decade. And it STILL does not match up with what OCO-2 sat is showing.
The problem is that ppl are IGNORING this because they want to give a pass to China and claim that America is the one that has done all of the pollution. Yet, CO2 is CUMULATIVE. And America did not really start up until 1850. Prior to that, it was Europe AND CHINA that did all of the pollution. ANd both areas did such heavy coal mining that there is ZERO chance that AMerica could touch them. In fact, from 1850 until 1980, Europe was ahead of America in CO2 emissions. It was only after 1980 that they started to cut back and America moved off nukes towards heavy coal. So, America has really less than 25 years of heavy CO2 growth (1980 - 2007). OTOH, CHina has 35 years of heavy CO2 growth and esp for the last 15 years. They have opened 1 new GW coal plant EVERY 3-5 days. Now, they are opening them at the rate of 1 new GW every 7-10 days, and will do so for the next 15 years.
This means that even with decent sat monitoring that we will lose since CHina's emissions growth is faster than what the west can shut down at. Even if America cut to zero TODAY, China will exceed it in 5-7 years.
oco-2 is a nasa satellite that measures CO2 below it. It is ACCURATE in contrast to getting data from gov or estimates from a group.
What is nice about this, is that it is REAL data, and not prone to manipulation. OTOH, ALL of the govs are playing games WRT CO2. Everybody wants to hold every other nation responsible, not themselves. That is why I continue to say that we need to tax all goods based on where the worst sub-part comes from.
That is irrelevant. What is relevant is that China's CO2 emissions, as shown by OCO-2, from Oct/Nov of 2014 is less than Oct/Nov of 2015. IOW, CO2 emissions grew. So GHG are NOT going down. In fact, with their working on converting coal into methane, I doubt that the CHinese will bury the CO2. That is not their nature. Instead, they will simply dump it to the atmosphere.
actually, others with better numbers, say that CHina IS doing around 3-5% GDP AT BEST. Jim Chanos for 1. Barrons is another. More importantly, they expect it to be in a full recession by end of 2016.
The source for this is the Chinese gov. They are releasing data that they see fit to release, and manipulate it like there is no tomorrow. Greenpeace was simply an organization that forwarded the Chinese data. Yet, this is the same Chinese gov that just had to come forward recently and claim that they burned 17% more coal than they had originally omitted to for the last 10 years.
We need to skip the cap/trade. Instead, America really needs to put on a time-increasing tax all consumed goods based on where the worst sub-part comes from (both nations and states). If we do that, then all nations and American states will want to drop their emissions to avoid that tax.
And yet, America's emissions CONTINUE TO FALL. While I have issues with the GOP, they are not stopping this. Interestingly, it is not really O that has caused America's major drop either. Not up till now, anyways. It is the dirt cheap nat gas that we have here that is forcing it. However, O's subsidies on WInd has allowed wind to now be cheaper than coal and in some areas is cheaper than nat gas even without the subsidy (the subsidy takes it much lower). As such, more of the utilities are looking at wind to replace coal, as opposed to new nat gas plants. Within 2 years, many utilities will want a lot more wind power, and will continue to close down their coal plants.
OCO2 is measuring the levels above the cities and then past them. That is why when you look at OCO2 data, you see high emissions of CO2 directly over the entire eastern seaboard. Then you see high emissions past Japan and northerly (that is in the fall).
The OCO-2 data in Oct and Nov, clearly show an INCREASE in CO2 emissions from the CHinese eastern seaboard. That would make sense since they are still building out new 1GW coal plants at a rate of 1 every 7-10 days. It also means that loads of coal is still being burned.
If this was true, then why are the number of coal plants still going up and the amount of coal that they burn, still going up?
In addition, look at the data from OCO2. That shows that CO2 is INCREASING, NOT decreasing.
Actually, H2 IS superior in nearly every way, EXCEPT for economics. It burns cleaner. It can be manufactured in space relatively easy. In the end, it is economics that makes it a poor choice for most issues.
the only ones that were aware, were GOP top members. And they did not, and probably still do not, care when their own members are perverts and criminals.
The GOP leadership allowed Florida's Mark Foley to chase Capital teenage Male Pages. They did NOTHING about it.
I would say that if CONgress REALLY wanted to be upstanding, they would require that CONgress critters report not just child molestation, but prostitution, bribes, theft, dicking with somebody's wife/husband, etc.
Of course, that would eliminate ALL of the GOP, and probably about 1/2 or more of the dems.
actually, ULA has some decent engineers.
The real problem is that they are loaded with overhead management and almost all of them are MBAs. Even now, bruno has NOT done a decent job. He simply replaced one group of fat cats with another.
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Hey, I did not start it. That was some idiot. But, i do have to say that it would be annoying to see that.
No. The vast majority of any nation's CO2 is NOT from ppl. It is from businesses, and are decisions made by businesses. Hell, you even claim that more than 1/2 of this is for exports to America (which is another lie, but hey, you seem to want to buy that crap).
The fact is, that China is not only the top emitter (double what America currently emits), BUT, they are one of the worst 3 for emissions / $GDP, which is the real issue.
again, based on false numbers from a gov that is trying hard to cover up the facts and not being held responsible.
In the mean time, CO2 continues to climb, the number of coal plants in China climb grow faster than the entire rest of the world.
wrong. It has already been shown that even those numbers on power, rail and sea are now being manipulated by both provinces AND federal gov.
what is fair and balanced have to do with honest numbers from the Chinese gov? They have already proven that they are liars WRT climate change and raw data that effects it.
And why are you biased?
ah, Fair enough.
sure, but again, H2 is superior in every way, EXCEPT, the economics, which is what you speak of.
And as to CHina's numbers, keep in mind that those that are coming up with the CHinese numbers say that it is, AT BEST, 3-5% growth. Many of those that are following CHina, say that they are already in recession.
why? the amount of CO2 that mankind puts off is SOOO much bigger than that. IOW, that will make no difference, esp. when comparing on a year to year basis.
At this time, all of the major CO2 numbers are NOT done by sat. For western data, they are done by ground monitoring combined with data from govs. OTOH, 3rd world nation numbers, and sadly, China lumps themselves as 3rd world on this, are done by estimates based on data that gov. give up. China specifically forbids ANY physical monitoring.
Now, there are 2 sats above the globe measuring CO2. One is from Japan but has very poor resolution. The second is OCO-2. That is the one that showed that China was so far off, that China was forced to recently increase their coal numbers by 17% for the last decade. And it STILL does not match up with what OCO-2 sat is showing.
The problem is that ppl are IGNORING this because they want to give a pass to China and claim that America is the one that has done all of the pollution. Yet, CO2 is CUMULATIVE. And America did not really start up until 1850. Prior to that, it was Europe AND CHINA that did all of the pollution. ANd both areas did such heavy coal mining that there is ZERO chance that AMerica could touch them. In fact, from 1850 until 1980, Europe was ahead of America in CO2 emissions. It was only after 1980 that they started to cut back and America moved off nukes towards heavy coal. So, America has really less than 25 years of heavy CO2 growth (1980 - 2007). OTOH, CHina has 35 years of heavy CO2 growth and esp for the last 15 years. They have opened 1 new GW coal plant EVERY 3-5 days. Now, they are opening them at the rate of 1 new GW every 7-10 days, and will do so for the next 15 years.
This means that even with decent sat monitoring that we will lose since CHina's emissions growth is faster than what the west can shut down at. Even if America cut to zero TODAY, China will exceed it in 5-7 years.
oco-2 is a nasa satellite that measures CO2 below it. It is ACCURATE in contrast to getting data from gov or estimates from a group.
What is nice about this, is that it is REAL data, and not prone to manipulation. OTOH, ALL of the govs are playing games WRT CO2. Everybody wants to hold every other nation responsible, not themselves. That is why I continue to say that we need to tax all goods based on where the worst sub-part comes from.
That is irrelevant. What is relevant is that China's CO2 emissions, as shown by OCO-2, from Oct/Nov of 2014 is less than Oct/Nov of 2015. IOW, CO2 emissions grew. So GHG are NOT going down. In fact, with their working on converting coal into methane, I doubt that the CHinese will bury the CO2. That is not their nature. Instead, they will simply dump it to the atmosphere.
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actually, others with better numbers, say that CHina IS doing around 3-5% GDP AT BEST. Jim Chanos for 1. Barrons is another.
More importantly, they expect it to be in a full recession by end of 2016.
The source for this is the Chinese gov. They are releasing data that they see fit to release, and manipulate it like there is no tomorrow. Greenpeace was simply an organization that forwarded the Chinese data. Yet, this is the same Chinese gov that just had to come forward recently and claim that they burned 17% more coal than they had originally omitted to for the last 10 years.
mod parent up, please. Official numbers from china are worthless. Their coal numbers, their emissions, their GDP, etc are all predicated on lies.
and yet, all CHina needs to do, which they are doing, is manipulate their money relative to the west to keep their COG cheaper than ours.
We need to skip the cap/trade. Instead, America really needs to put on a time-increasing tax all consumed goods based on where the worst sub-part comes from (both nations and states). If we do that, then all nations and American states will want to drop their emissions to avoid that tax.
And yet, America's emissions CONTINUE TO FALL. While I have issues with the GOP, they are not stopping this. Interestingly, it is not really O that has caused America's major drop either. Not up till now, anyways. It is the dirt cheap nat gas that we have here that is forcing it. However, O's subsidies on WInd has allowed wind to now be cheaper than coal and in some areas is cheaper than nat gas even without the subsidy (the subsidy takes it much lower). As such, more of the utilities are looking at wind to replace coal, as opposed to new nat gas plants. Within 2 years, many utilities will want a lot more wind power, and will continue to close down their coal plants.
OCO2 is measuring the levels above the cities and then past them. That is why when you look at OCO2 data, you see high emissions of CO2 directly over the entire eastern seaboard. Then you see high emissions past Japan and northerly (that is in the fall).
The OCO-2 data in Oct and Nov, clearly show an INCREASE in CO2 emissions from the CHinese eastern seaboard. That would make sense since they are still building out new 1GW coal plants at a rate of 1 every 7-10 days. It also means that loads of coal is still being burned.
If this was true, then why are the number of coal plants still going up and the amount of coal that they burn, still going up?
In addition, look at the data from OCO2. That shows that CO2 is INCREASING, NOT decreasing.
Actually, H2 IS superior in nearly every way, EXCEPT for economics. It burns cleaner. It can be manufactured in space relatively easy. In the end, it is economics that makes it a poor choice for most issues.
the only ones that were aware, were GOP top members. And they did not, and probably still do not, care when their own members are perverts and criminals.
The GOP leadership allowed Florida's Mark Foley to chase Capital teenage Male Pages. They did NOTHING about it.
I would say that if CONgress REALLY wanted to be upstanding, they would require that CONgress critters report not just child molestation, but prostitution, bribes, theft, dicking with somebody's wife/husband, etc.
Of course, that would eliminate ALL of the GOP, and probably about 1/2 or more of the dems.
actually, ULA has some decent engineers.
The real problem is that they are loaded with overhead management and almost all of them are MBAs. Even now, bruno has NOT done a decent job. He simply replaced one group of fat cats with another.