No, people like Musk are making changes.
You and the far left, really are not.
Take the case of stopping keystone. Has it lowered the CO2? Nope. Has it harmed tar sands? Nope. Will it stop tarsands? Nope.
So, what would stop tar sands? Simple. Get the vehicles to change. Then and ONLY then, will that happen.
By cutting a deal to allow keystone, but in return moving new commercial vehicles to nat gas, and then to electric via series hybrid (still using nat gas), it will plummet the price of oil since America will no longer import within 10 years. And if America drops our importing of oil, then per barrel is going to be below $50. That will kill tar sands.
The nice thing about this approach, is that the far right will go along with it out of short term greed (though oil companies will fight that). And within 10 years, America's CO2 emissions would be less than 1/2 of where they are today, which right now, we are at 14% of the world's total. IOW, we would be below 7%, and possibly lower.
Pppl like you are making serious mistake because your approach will NOT slow down the emissions. For what I suggest, it absolutely will force down CO2 emissions.
The reason is that many of the 'science' articles are now just total BS. A large group of scientists have been pushed to lie, manipulate, etc any information to make themselves sound good.
Seriously, I suspect that Musk will be willing to share his data with Google and Apple. In particular, they would like both to jump into the electric vehicle game. And it is Tesla who has the most data. The other car makers are just now realizing that Tesla is onto something. Look at how GM is pushing Bolt. Volt, leaf, I3, etc. are all POS cars and sales really suck for them. That is why Tesla's sales continue to grow and is now number 1. Interestingly, when Model X hits the market, there is a good chance that Tesla will double in the first year to 100,000 cars / year, which is more than all of the other EV and hybrids COMBINED.
Seriously, the far left is busy trying to kill off everything today, which is NOT going to happen.
Instead, what should be done, is moving from tactical thinking to strategic thinking.
For example, consider keystone pipeline. The far left is working hard to kill it off. Will that stop the tar sands? Nope. They will continue, only they will use rails and cause more accidents.
However, if the left were to cut a deal with the right, and allow keystone,
BUT in return change the EV subsidies (base it upon the battery size),
along with a new subsidy to move new Commercial/large passenger (think suburban) vehicles to Nat gas, and within 3 years of that, to be ONLY for Comm Vehicles that are series hybrid using nat gas.
With the above, within 5 years, all of the new commercial/large passenger vehicles will be electric backed up by nat gas. Within 10 years, we will have figured out how to do all vehicles on electric.
That is how you stop it in less than 10 years. OTOH, the left are basically accomplishing NOTHING. In fact, in many ways, they actually stop forward progress because so many dislike the approach.
First off, do me a favor and flip me an email at windbourne@gmail.com.
Normally, I am software engineer. The problem is that I have had a medical condition for the last 5 years (vertigo and memory loss). With the memory loss, I am out of coding, which really really sux. It was my life for the last 30 years, and I loved it.
So, instead, I work on start-ups on the side, but from the opposite side.
Colorado is in a different place then you are. We are expanding like mad. The reason is due to pot growth, combined with a number of hi-tech companies coming here. As such, None of the HDs can get enough ppl here, esp. with the low pay.
somebody that makes less than 20K is not buying a new car. They will buy a used car, use a bike, or public transportation, or more likely, be given one by family. Simple as that.
And in 15-20 years time, many of the old tesla will have batteries that are at 75-150 MPC. That becomes doable for some relative that you sell to for a 1000, or even give. Simple as that.
I did not say it. Cyberax did.
However, open up that map link that I gave you and locate Yellowstone park. You might also locate where Jackson hole is in relation to united states and North America.
good synopsis of the situation esp. of the leaf.
For a city, the leaf actually makes a lot of sense. I think that when they have a TRUE 120-150 MPC car, they will sell loads of them.
My understanding is that the leaf is going to be re-designed, not just increased the battery. Nissan has determined that style really does matter. In addition, they are going to increase the specs on it in terms of speeds. The idea that they have a 0-60 of 10 seconds is pathetic. They should have no more than a 7 (and even that is slow for an EV).
BTW, for what you described at the end, that is tesla model 3 in 2 years. 200+ MPC. $35K (and unlike the leaf, that is the BASE, not the upper end). And yes, it does have Linux.:)
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take? I am guessing that you just got it and are taking it for its first SC drive (everybody has to do one:) ). We are waiting until the new year, and will then get a Model S (possibly X, but I doubt it). Since it is my wife's car, she wants to pick up at the factory and drive home in it. Kind of a cool road trip. Hoping to meet some of the workers that actually worked on it. Personally, I would like to have them simply sign it.
When car makers are forced by tesla to build their EVs decently, then and only then, will you see those other car makers have similar sales to Tesla.
For the last year, all but the Tesla's sales have gone down. Part of that is more EVs coming on the market and THOSE old car makers EVs competing for similar space. However, when Tesla is out with the Model 3 in 2 years, it will make a HUGE dent in ICE car sales. Why? Because you will be looking at a car superior to the BMW 3 series, with under 6 seconds 0-60, 200 MPC, 140 MPH top speed, all for less than e-golfs, leafs, etc.
But it is not. Tesla sales continue to grow. The reason is that they have built a car that pushes the envelope. This differs from all other EVs in which they PURPOSELY limit them so as to not compete with their ICE vehicles.
1) in America, even if we were 100% coal, it would still have less emissions than ICE cars. Thankfully, we are at 35% coal and dropping FAST. As such, the emissions from EVs is better than any of the ICE cars.
2) If you charge in the daytime, the average is.125 / KWH. With an EV, that means that you will have around $1.25 GGE (gal of gas equivalence). However, most ppl charge at night time and can get.06 / KWH. That is less than.60 GGE. IOW, the price of the electricity is NOTHING, unlike the $3/gal for gas.
3) the costs of batteries for most EVs IS a problem. They will only last 7-10 years for those vehicles. But with Tesla, their batteries will last 15-20 years (based on current data). And in 15 years, the costs of a new battery from them, will be NOTHING.
Oh, In Tesla, it is a 90 second change out for a new battery pack.
Sorry, this pretty much burst your bubble, but there is a REAL reason why Tesla continues to have strong sales, while other EVs are slowing down.
0-30 in the leaf is FAST. Not so in the other none tesla EVs. The other car makers purposely limit the quickness of their EVs so that it does not compete against their ICE cars.
However, none of that matters because nissan was in a hurry with the leaf and decided to do air-cooling, which will not work.
I call it ugly because it has a small battery (less than 100 MPC), and is more than 10 seconds for 0-60, with a horrible top speed, all stats less than any of their ICE cars. Basically, VW gutted the car. Purposely.
The EVs are easily capable of outdoing the ICE cars, but, all of the regular car makers choose to not allow that, except in hybrid form.
The reason why Tesla sells so well in norway, is that the gov has great subsidies there. And Teslas are PRIMARY cars there. Multiple ppl have written about them driving in the snow. In general, these cars, like nearly all EVs, are garage kept, and plugged-in overnight. So, when they drive in the winter, they say that they lose about 10% of the distance for normal winter temps. Hitting -30 C, and yes, you can take up to 25% off the distance. But for normal 0- -15 C, you do not loose much.
German and Japanese car makers are actually opposed to EVs. They want fuel cells with H2, along with hybrids. As such, both are getting HUGE subsidies from their gov. for H2 and fuel cells. And yes, both gov. are pouring in a great deal more money into the fuel cells rather then EVs or simply keeping neutral.
That is also why VW buillt the battery poorly. It has no effective HVAC,. As such, it will suffer the exact same battery issues that leaf, and other none tesla cars will suffer. Their batteries will be luck to last 7 years, let alone 10. The ONLY chance that those batteries have of making it to 7 will be if the owners does not use the fast chargers.
Finally, golf really is poorly put together. They are charging top dollars for that. NOT impressed.
And BTW, I used to own a rabbit. I liked it back then. But, that does not change the fact that e-golf is highly overpriced.
e-golf does not HVAC their batteries properly. To keep their costs down, they went with LARGE cells, which means that you will have un-even heating. As such, ever time that you try to fast charge it, you will be killing the lifetime. However, in your case, you are in luck. There are FEWER than 20 fast chargers in ALL OF AMERICA that the e-golf can use. As such, you will have to wait 4-6 hours for a charge.
What is there to like about the e-golf? Absolutely NOTHING.
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No, people like Musk are making changes.
You and the far left, really are not.
Take the case of stopping keystone. Has it lowered the CO2? Nope. Has it harmed tar sands? Nope. Will it stop tarsands? Nope.
So, what would stop tar sands? Simple. Get the vehicles to change. Then and ONLY then, will that happen.
By cutting a deal to allow keystone, but in return moving new commercial vehicles to nat gas, and then to electric via series hybrid (still using nat gas), it will plummet the price of oil since America will no longer import within 10 years. And if America drops our importing of oil, then per barrel is going to be below $50. That will kill tar sands.
The nice thing about this approach, is that the far right will go along with it out of short term greed (though oil companies will fight that). And within 10 years, America's CO2 emissions would be less than 1/2 of where they are today, which right now, we are at 14% of the world's total. IOW, we would be below 7%, and possibly lower.
Pppl like you are making serious mistake because your approach will NOT slow down the emissions. For what I suggest, it absolutely will force down CO2 emissions.
The reason is that many of the 'science' articles are now just total BS. A large group of scientists have been pushed to lie, manipulate, etc any information to make themselves sound good.
Seriously, I suspect that Musk will be willing to share his data with Google and Apple. In particular, they would like both to jump into the electric vehicle game. And it is Tesla who has the most data. The other car makers are just now realizing that Tesla is onto something. Look at how GM is pushing Bolt. Volt, leaf, I3, etc. are all POS cars and sales really suck for them. That is why Tesla's sales continue to grow and is now number 1. Interestingly, when Model X hits the market, there is a good chance that Tesla will double in the first year to 100,000 cars / year, which is more than all of the other EV and hybrids COMBINED.
Seriously, the far left is busy trying to kill off everything today, which is NOT going to happen.
Instead, what should be done, is moving from tactical thinking to strategic thinking.
For example, consider keystone pipeline. The far left is working hard to kill it off. Will that stop the tar sands? Nope. They will continue, only they will use rails and cause more accidents.
However, if the left were to cut a deal with the right, and allow keystone,
BUT in return change the EV subsidies (base it upon the battery size),
along with a new subsidy to move new Commercial/large passenger (think suburban) vehicles to Nat gas, and within 3 years of that, to be ONLY for Comm Vehicles that are series hybrid using nat gas.
With the above, within 5 years, all of the new commercial/large passenger vehicles will be electric backed up by nat gas. Within 10 years, we will have figured out how to do all vehicles on electric.
That is how you stop it in less than 10 years. OTOH, the left are basically accomplishing NOTHING. In fact, in many ways, they actually stop forward progress because so many dislike the approach.
First off, do me a favor and flip me an email at windbourne@gmail.com.
Normally, I am software engineer. The problem is that I have had a medical condition for the last 5 years (vertigo and memory loss). With the memory loss, I am out of coding, which really really sux. It was my life for the last 30 years, and I loved it.
So, instead, I work on start-ups on the side, but from the opposite side.
Colorado is in a different place then you are. We are expanding like mad. The reason is due to pot growth, combined with a number of hi-tech companies coming here. As such, None of the HDs can get enough ppl here, esp. with the low pay.
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i.e. what store number? And do you have an email? I am working with Frank Blake on a few things.
what store are you at?
somebody that makes less than 20K is not buying a new car. They will buy a used car, use a bike, or public transportation, or more likely, be given one by family. Simple as that.
And in 15-20 years time, many of the old tesla will have batteries that are at 75-150 MPC. That becomes doable for some relative that you sell to for a 1000, or even give. Simple as that.
I did not say it. Cyberax did. However, open up that map link that I gave you and locate Yellowstone park. You might also locate where Jackson hole is in relation to united states and North America.
in 10 years, the Tesla battery will costs 2K, and the small batteries on leaf, volt, etc will costs less than 1K.
good synopsis of the situation esp. of the leaf.
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For a city, the leaf actually makes a lot of sense. I think that when they have a TRUE 120-150 MPC car, they will sell loads of them.
My understanding is that the leaf is going to be re-designed, not just increased the battery. Nissan has determined that style really does matter. In addition, they are going to increase the specs on it in terms of speeds. The idea that they have a 0-60 of 10 seconds is pathetic. They should have no more than a 7 (and even that is slow for an EV).
BTW, for what you described at the end, that is tesla model 3 in 2 years. 200+ MPC. $35K (and unlike the leaf, that is the BASE, not the upper end). And yes, it does have Linux.
Plugshare? Really? And you own a tesla?
:) ). We are waiting until the new year, and will then get a Model S (possibly X, but I doubt it). Since it is my wife's car, she wants to pick up at the factory and drive home in it. Kind of a cool road trip. Hoping to meet some of the workers that actually worked on it. Personally, I would like to have them simply sign it.
Here is what has been built and what is being built
And here is what will be built out over the next year.
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take? I am guessing that you just got it and are taking it for its first SC drive (everybody has to do one
You mean, this does not exist?
When car makers are forced by tesla to build their EVs decently, then and only then, will you see those other car makers have similar sales to Tesla.
For the last year, all but the Tesla's sales have gone down. Part of that is more EVs coming on the market and THOSE old car makers EVs competing for similar space. However, when Tesla is out with the Model 3 in 2 years, it will make a HUGE dent in ICE car sales. Why? Because you will be looking at a car superior to the BMW 3 series, with under 6 seconds 0-60, 200 MPC, 140 MPH top speed, all for less than e-golfs, leafs, etc.
But it is not. Tesla sales continue to grow. The reason is that they have built a car that pushes the envelope. This differs from all other EVs in which they PURPOSELY limit them so as to not compete with their ICE vehicles.
LOL. :)
Said the guy from Alaska.
Sadly, far too many places in America, even in the 48, do not have water/electricity.
1) in America, even if we were 100% coal, it would still have less emissions than ICE cars. Thankfully, we are at 35% coal and dropping FAST. As such, the emissions from EVs is better than any of the ICE cars. .125 / KWH. With an EV, that means that you will have around $1.25 GGE (gal of gas equivalence). However, most ppl charge at night time and can get .06 / KWH. That is less than .60 GGE. IOW, the price of the electricity is NOTHING, unlike the $3/gal for gas.
2) If you charge in the daytime, the average is
3) the costs of batteries for most EVs IS a problem. They will only last 7-10 years for those vehicles. But with Tesla, their batteries will last 15-20 years (based on current data). And in 15 years, the costs of a new battery from them, will be NOTHING.
Oh, In Tesla, it is a 90 second change out for a new battery pack.
Sorry, this pretty much burst your bubble, but there is a REAL reason why Tesla continues to have strong sales, while other EVs are slowing down.
0-30 in the leaf is FAST. Not so in the other none tesla EVs. The other car makers purposely limit the quickness of their EVs so that it does not compete against their ICE cars.
However, none of that matters because nissan was in a hurry with the leaf and decided to do air-cooling, which will not work.
I call it ugly because it has a small battery (less than 100 MPC), and is more than 10 seconds for 0-60, with a horrible top speed, all stats less than any of their ICE cars. Basically, VW gutted the car. Purposely.
The EVs are easily capable of outdoing the ICE cars, but, all of the regular car makers choose to not allow that, except in hybrid form.
The reason why Tesla sells so well in norway, is that the gov has great subsidies there. And Teslas are PRIMARY cars there. Multiple ppl have written about them driving in the snow. In general, these cars, like nearly all EVs, are garage kept, and plugged-in overnight. So, when they drive in the winter, they say that they lose about 10% of the distance for normal winter temps. Hitting -30 C, and yes, you can take up to 25% off the distance. But for normal 0- -15 C, you do not loose much.
Look at the 3rd map. That is the one for the golf Think that you are going to drive the nation with that? Otherwise, you have to use level 2s, which will take you a LONG ways.
German and Japanese car makers are actually opposed to EVs. They want fuel cells with H2, along with hybrids. As such, both are getting HUGE subsidies from their gov. for H2 and fuel cells. And yes, both gov. are pouring in a great deal more money into the fuel cells rather then EVs or simply keeping neutral.
That is also why VW buillt the battery poorly. It has no effective HVAC,. As such, it will suffer the exact same battery issues that leaf, and other none tesla cars will suffer. Their batteries will be luck to last 7 years, let alone 10. The ONLY chance that those batteries have of making it to 7 will be if the owners does not use the fast chargers.
Finally, golf really is poorly put together. They are charging top dollars for that. NOT impressed.
And BTW, I used to own a rabbit. I liked it back then. But, that does not change the fact that e-golf is highly overpriced.
In America, we have 7500 rebate. In addition, most states have another 1-3K rebate.
Yeah. It looks like a merger of the Aztec and Pacer. HORRIBLE design. I think that Pacer will end up outselling it because it looks so horrible.
e-golf does not HVAC their batteries properly. To keep their costs down, they went with LARGE cells, which means that you will have un-even heating. As such, ever time that you try to fast charge it, you will be killing the lifetime. However, in your case, you are in luck. There are FEWER than 20 fast chargers in ALL OF AMERICA that the e-golf can use. As such, you will have to wait 4-6 hours for a charge.
What is there to like about the e-golf? Absolutely NOTHING.