ULA has multiple projects going on. That includes they are working on developing re-use, which includes landing the first stage.
Bruno's ideal goal is to not change things, but he is keeping options open on the future. Interestingly, he is working hard to CLOSE the use of delta since Atlas makes more profits for them. Of course, he is fighting for the 1B/year subsidy as well. Hopefully, that is stopped, and ULA is forced to simply go with delta until their new launch system is developed. That will encourage Bruno to go with re-usable, and not EELVs.
The only way for ULA to drop their prices is to move away from EELVs to reusable. The good news is that Bruno is pushing EELVs but leaving backdoors for otherwise. ULA is quietly working on developing the same tech as SpaceX.
actually, skylon is too late to the party. The reason is that the FASTEST that it will be available would be another 10 years, or 2025. By then, MCT will be flying regularly.
OTOH, Dream Chaser, combined with a reusable lift vehicle, does make sense for simple human transport.
Your approach did NOT work for us. That is why we lost 2 shuttles and it was so expensive.
I will say that SNC's DC makes good sense for transporting humans to/from earth's surface (lower Gs), but for cargo? Nope.
However, the real drawback is that not only must you take up extra weight for wings, landing gears, etc., but these will not work on the moon or mars and Musk wants this to work on all of these locations. And in the end, as musk is showing, these can land just fine on Earth. In addition, it can do it cheaply.
Fair enough.
I will agree that there will be some issues on how to charge. However, I have NO doubt that it will be solved within a year after the Model 3 is out. The reason is that Model 3 will force ALL major car makers to jump on EVs. In addition, I suspect that the Tesla's SC network, combined with the battery swap, will suddenly look pretty good to them. But, all of the car makers, along with utilities, will want night-time charging so that they do not have to compete directly against Tesla.
In general, those that live in the cities either have garage parking or do not have cars.
Now, there is curb parking but again, not a big deal. All new homes are typically required by state laws to have parking for at least 1 car, if not several. It is trivial to plug-in to the house with a 240 v.
And at some point, charging companies are going to get smart and put more electrical hookups at restaurants instead of hotels.
How do you get electric costing $10?
First, Tesla gets 250 MPC for the 85 KWH pack. Assuming that you fully charge it, it will be around 100KWH to do so (efficiency losts).
So, here in America, nighttime electric costs is around.06 / kwh. As such, this is less than $6 to go 250 Miles.
Now, gas costs 2/gal today but will go up. However, that means that you pay $25/for the 250 miles. However, note that it does not include oil, gas car maintenance, etc. So, that is minor, however, over 2 years, and at least 25,000 miles, the electricity will be 600, while the gas will be 2500. Starts to add up and that was with gas at 2/gas. Within a year, we will be back to 3 or 4. At that point, gas for the 2 years, will be 3800-5000, which is quite the uptick vs. the 600.
Finally, coal is currently 36% of America's electricity. Due to W's mercury regulations, coal will be below 33, probably 30% by 2018. Now, add on the push to drop emissions, esp. CO2, and I think that we will see coal be less than 25% of America's electricity by 2020.
actually, that 10K comes with the 2K supercharger. So, it is 8K/25, which makes it 325/kwh.
In addition, that was from 2 years ago. Since that time, tesla costs HAVE come down. As such, that is why Tesla has no issue with saying that future 85Kwh batteries are $12K (which is less than 150/kwh). Note that Tesla expects the first pack around 2022. IOW, Tesla is likely going to make a KILLING on 12K battery packs.
nissan leaf is in low 20s.
Tesla model S starts at 60K.
And compared to comparable ICE car models, both are much cheaper to run, such that the leaf is similar to owning a 15K car, while the model S is like owning a 45K car.
It really depends on what you compare to. Take something like a VW GTI, treat it decently so that it last 20-30 years (and run it for all of that), and the GTI will obviously beat the Tesla.
However, note that many of the cars, including several GTIs that crashed into Model S, were totaled and have had SERIOUSLY injuries and deaths. Basically, they are REAL POSs. OTOH, all of the model S occupants walk away. The only one out of more than 50K cars, was a guy that stole it, ran it at 100-120 MPH, and then hit a 1920's light pole that bent SLIGHTLY, while splitting the car into 2 and throwing the driver. Interestingly, he died, but it is thought that had he had a seat belt on, he would have been arrested while trying to walk away.
Now, for the real story, the Model S already blows the doors off any vehicle that costs 50K and above in terms of say a 10 year lifespan.
Well, it is amazing how many idiots come out of the wood works and scream about things that they have NO clue about.
I will give you credit. If I was as stupid and cowardly as you, I would become AC as well.
massive tax subsidies? LOL.
First off, it is 7500 / car and most of that goes to hybrids that burn gas.
Secondly, it is a FRACTION of what is spent subsidizing oil, gas, and coal.
Third, Telsa Model 3 will cost LESS THAN 35K without a subsidy. And the 7.5K will bring it into the 20K.
If you do not want the subsidy, then do not take it. However, to avoid being a fucking hypocrite, I suggest that you avoid nat gas, electricity, food, etc.
For many products, price drops if they are produced and bought in large quantities. This is true as long as base material supply is available, or can be established. This, however, is a little bit of a problem for batteries. Based on the currently technology at least.
Actually, America has access to the cheapest lithium going. And there is enough here to supply the world with batteries for 100% of the vehicles AND batteries for home, JUST IN AMERICA.
So, no, that argument is gone.
Tesla has charged $10K for an extra 25KWH combined with a $2K supercharger. That means that it is 8K for 25KWh, or $320 / KWH. Now, that was 3 years ago.
Since that time, Panasonic has since added more production lines, and more shifts. At this point, in another 2 years, Panasonic expects to have their equipment paid for. And you can bet that Tesla does NOT pay 320/KWH, even 3 years.
Point is, that when Tesla finishes their gigafactory in less than 2 years, they are suggesting that they will be less than $100/KWH.
Now, the interesting part is that when Tesla's Model 3 comes out and is less than 35K WITHOUT SUBSIDIES, it will cost less than the average ICE car that is bought. If the Model 3 is even close to the quality of the Model S, this will destroy every ICE sedan that costs 20K on up. The reason is that owning an EV is a fraction of the costs of an ICE. And compared to OLD ICE vehicles, it is MUCH CHEAPER. So, this will destroy not just new ones, but also kill the resale value of older cars. As that happens, panic will set in to automakers AND the owners. This will likely lead to companies like Honda, Toyota, Audi, MB, VW, GM, Ford, etc will see their sales, profits, and stock prices PLUMMET. And esp. for the German and Japanese whom are pushing hydrogen cars, which are pure junk.
Finally, EVs with more than 150 MPC will be charged every night, and most will not need a daytime charging. Here in Colorado, Xcel charges.12/kwh for daytime, and only.055 for nighttime. That price makes EVs a FRACTION of the costs of ICE (GGE to.80 on a 30 MPG car).
And multiple studies have shown that electrical generation and grid are FINE for 100% of all vehicles, as long as less than 25% of them charge in the daytime.
In addition, the studies have shown that it will actually save utilities billions since they will not need to run expensive on-demand systems and can go with nukes and other decent choice base-load power plants.
First off, cool about moss. I have been at the peak (just there last summer) a few times and have not see the memorial. I will have to look for it next time.
Secondly, Tesla does JUST FINE in the arctic circle, in nothern Finland, Sweden, and Norway. Why do you think that cold will impact a car here? The ONLY way that it would impact it, is if the battery is cold. However, nobody starts a race with a cold engine, so, you do not have to have a cold battery.
As to bringing the vehicle in an ICE, that is true FOR THE MOMENT. While I am certain that EV trucks will be out in 5 years, I doubt that they will be the norm for hauling race cars around.
Regardless, I have little doubt that within 2 years, EVs will make a HUGE impact on all racing tracks. Heck, a swappable battery on EVs will make it so that not only does the vehicles have the enormous torque of EVs, but also a quick change in the pit. And going up pikes peak will no doubt belong to EVs shortly.
Energy storage is NOT a problem with EVs. The price was.
The hybrids and POS like I3 and Leaf go with very little distance so that they they can keep their profits up. Tesla has it right in making cars with swap-able batteries in which the primary battery has 200-250 MPC. Next year, Tesla will introduce a pack that you can rent that will allow you to get 400+ MPC, which is perfect for distance driving.
Now as to the costs and efficiency, EVs blow the doors off ICE. There is a reason why you can get nighttime electricity at.06/KWH through more than 95% of America. You charge the car at nighttime, and most every car drives less than 100 Miles / day so this works.
BTW, most EV drivers fully support Nuke reactors. We NEED good base-load power systems.
Ah, the mightywind that is afraid to be up front.
First, Multiple studies in the US show that we have PLENTY of power to charge 100% of our vehicles. Of course, that depends on 25% or less being done in the daytime. But hey, do not let facts get in your way.
Secondly, the charging infrastructure is already in place in America. All of our homes have electricity. As to long distance driving,
Tesla will have the nation wired for high speed charging by end of 2017. Here is a better map of what is going on at this time.
Third, in 2 years, Tesla will have a car that costs less than 35K, without the subsidies, does over 200 MPC, and is still high performance along with high quality. Why would anybody want to buy POSs when you have such a car? The answer is, that only idiots like you will.
Fourth, once demand rises for that kind of car, you can bet that used cars will plummet in value.
Still attached to the kock brothers pants? Gas prices are a NONE issue. Electric cars car are coming down in price so much that ICE cars will be too expensive to own at $2.00/gal.
Actually, the electrics do NOT miss the point of altitude change. It is the ICE owners that refuse to recognize that altitude should not matter to the car. Basically, the EVs are about to take the records and destroy them since the electrics are so much quicker than ICE cars.
No doubt, we will see a Tesla Dual on the track. That is night and day above the one that set the 12 minute EV production run. I would not be surprised to see this monster and a Model S owning the top 2 records.
Seriously, these will be the first to have major repercussions.
In particular, Trucks that run from a train to a business, esp. during nighttime, are IDEAL for initial starting points. As such, companies like BNSF would be smart to buy the trucks and do this themselves.
Likewise, taxis for vacationers that run from say airport to hotels, are ripe to replace.
Actually, OCO2's (and hopefully more sats like it), ability is to see how much CO2 is over an area. We can see the generation and we can see what happens as it moves around. It is far more accurate than numbers from govs.. Keep in mind that it is in govs best interest to lie about local coal production, unless there are measurements. For China, they forbid the importing of such instruments, without direct gov permission. I have friends that work on other pollution for America and they went to China to measure. They were allowed to as long as they gave the numbers directly to the gov. What was not known was that they were also measuring the CO2. It is MUCH higher than is generally known. So much higher that they are emitting even more PER CAPITA than America (4 years ago, they were just under America per capita according to their measures). So no. I do NOT trust gov. or groups measurements. That is why I have been wanting OCO2 for a LONG TIME. China's gov and groups can not deny what is shown in that map. And by next year, the numbers will show up to be much worse, even though China's economy is actually tanking.
Fusion will likely not be the answer for another 40 years. At least if it is by ITER. For now, we NEED fission. In particular, we need it to use up all of the 'spent waste'.
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ULA has multiple projects going on. That includes they are working on developing re-use, which includes landing the first stage.
Bruno's ideal goal is to not change things, but he is keeping options open on the future. Interestingly, he is working hard to CLOSE the use of delta since Atlas makes more profits for them. Of course, he is fighting for the 1B/year subsidy as well. Hopefully, that is stopped, and ULA is forced to simply go with delta until their new launch system is developed. That will encourage Bruno to go with re-usable, and not EELVs.
The only way for ULA to drop their prices is to move away from EELVs to reusable. The good news is that Bruno is pushing EELVs but leaving backdoors for otherwise. ULA is quietly working on developing the same tech as SpaceX.
actually, skylon is too late to the party. The reason is that the FASTEST that it will be available would be another 10 years, or 2025. By then, MCT will be flying regularly.
OTOH, Dream Chaser, combined with a reusable lift vehicle, does make sense for simple human transport.
Your approach did NOT work for us. That is why we lost 2 shuttles and it was so expensive.
I will say that SNC's DC makes good sense for transporting humans to/from earth's surface (lower Gs), but for cargo? Nope.
However, the real drawback is that not only must you take up extra weight for wings, landing gears, etc., but these will not work on the moon or mars and Musk wants this to work on all of these locations. And in the end, as musk is showing, these can land just fine on Earth. In addition, it can do it cheaply.
Fair enough.
I will agree that there will be some issues on how to charge. However, I have NO doubt that it will be solved within a year after the Model 3 is out. The reason is that Model 3 will force ALL major car makers to jump on EVs. In addition, I suspect that the Tesla's SC network, combined with the battery swap, will suddenly look pretty good to them. But, all of the car makers, along with utilities, will want night-time charging so that they do not have to compete directly against Tesla.
In general, those that live in the cities either have garage parking or do not have cars.
Now, there is curb parking but again, not a big deal. All new homes are typically required by state laws to have parking for at least 1 car, if not several. It is trivial to plug-in to the house with a 240 v.
And at some point, charging companies are going to get smart and put more electrical hookups at restaurants instead of hotels.
How do you get electric costing $10? .06 / kwh. As such, this is less than $6 to go 250 Miles.
First, Tesla gets 250 MPC for the 85 KWH pack. Assuming that you fully charge it, it will be around 100KWH to do so (efficiency losts).
So, here in America, nighttime electric costs is around
Now, gas costs 2/gal today but will go up. However, that means that you pay $25/for the 250 miles. However, note that it does not include oil, gas car maintenance, etc. So, that is minor, however, over 2 years, and at least 25,000 miles, the electricity will be 600, while the gas will be 2500. Starts to add up and that was with gas at 2/gas. Within a year, we will be back to 3 or 4. At that point, gas for the 2 years, will be 3800-5000, which is quite the uptick vs. the 600.
Finally, coal is currently 36% of America's electricity. Due to W's mercury regulations, coal will be below 33, probably 30% by 2018. Now, add on the push to drop emissions, esp. CO2, and I think that we will see coal be less than 25% of America's electricity by 2020.
actually, that 10K comes with the 2K supercharger. So, it is 8K/25, which makes it 325/kwh.
In addition, that was from 2 years ago. Since that time, tesla costs HAVE come down. As such, that is why Tesla has no issue with saying that future 85Kwh batteries are $12K (which is less than 150/kwh). Note that Tesla expects the first pack around 2022. IOW, Tesla is likely going to make a KILLING on 12K battery packs.
nissan leaf is in low 20s.
Tesla model S starts at 60K.
And compared to comparable ICE car models, both are much cheaper to run, such that the leaf is similar to owning a 15K car, while the model S is like owning a 45K car.
It really depends on what you compare to. Take something like a VW GTI, treat it decently so that it last 20-30 years (and run it for all of that), and the GTI will obviously beat the Tesla.
However, note that many of the cars, including several GTIs that crashed into Model S, were totaled and have had SERIOUSLY injuries and deaths. Basically, they are REAL POSs. OTOH, all of the model S occupants walk away. The only one out of more than 50K cars, was a guy that stole it, ran it at 100-120 MPH, and then hit a 1920's light pole that bent SLIGHTLY, while splitting the car into 2 and throwing the driver. Interestingly, he died, but it is thought that had he had a seat belt on, he would have been arrested while trying to walk away.
Now, for the real story, the Model S already blows the doors off any vehicle that costs 50K and above in terms of say a 10 year lifespan.
Well, it is amazing how many idiots come out of the wood works and scream about things that they have NO clue about.
I will give you credit. If I was as stupid and cowardly as you, I would become AC as well.
massive tax subsidies? LOL.
First off, it is 7500 / car and most of that goes to hybrids that burn gas.
Secondly, it is a FRACTION of what is spent subsidizing oil, gas, and coal.
Third, Telsa Model 3 will cost LESS THAN 35K without a subsidy. And the 7.5K will bring it into the 20K.
If you do not want the subsidy, then do not take it. However, to avoid being a fucking hypocrite, I suggest that you avoid nat gas, electricity, food, etc.
For many products, price drops if they are produced and bought in large quantities. This is true as long as base material supply is available, or can be established. This, however, is a little bit of a problem for batteries. Based on the currently technology at least.
Actually, America has access to the cheapest lithium going. And there is enough here to supply the world with batteries for 100% of the vehicles AND batteries for home, JUST IN AMERICA.
So, no, that argument is gone.
Actually, Most ppl in America DO have garages. And even car ports are available. An incredible small number of cars are kept outside in America.
Tesla has charged $10K for an extra 25KWH combined with a $2K supercharger. That means that it is 8K for 25KWh, or $320 / KWH. Now, that was 3 years ago.
.12/kwh for daytime, and only .055 for nighttime. That price makes EVs a FRACTION of the costs of ICE (GGE to .80 on a 30 MPG car).
Since that time, Panasonic has since added more production lines, and more shifts. At this point, in another 2 years, Panasonic expects to have their equipment paid for. And you can bet that Tesla does NOT pay 320/KWH, even 3 years.
Point is, that when Tesla finishes their gigafactory in less than 2 years, they are suggesting that they will be less than $100/KWH.
Now, the interesting part is that when Tesla's Model 3 comes out and is less than 35K WITHOUT SUBSIDIES, it will cost less than the average ICE car that is bought. If the Model 3 is even close to the quality of the Model S, this will destroy every ICE sedan that costs 20K on up. The reason is that owning an EV is a fraction of the costs of an ICE. And compared to OLD ICE vehicles, it is MUCH CHEAPER. So, this will destroy not just new ones, but also kill the resale value of older cars. As that happens, panic will set in to automakers AND the owners. This will likely lead to companies like Honda, Toyota, Audi, MB, VW, GM, Ford, etc will see their sales, profits, and stock prices PLUMMET. And esp. for the German and Japanese whom are pushing hydrogen cars, which are pure junk.
Finally, EVs with more than 150 MPC will be charged every night, and most will not need a daytime charging. Here in Colorado, Xcel charges
And multiple studies have shown that electrical generation and grid are FINE for 100% of all vehicles, as long as less than 25% of them charge in the daytime.
In addition, the studies have shown that it will actually save utilities billions since they will not need to run expensive on-demand systems and can go with nukes and other decent choice base-load power plants.
And yet, true rocket scientists will tell you that is not going to happen. Nuclear thermal is the next level.
First off, cool about moss. I have been at the peak (just there last summer) a few times and have not see the memorial. I will have to look for it next time.
Secondly, Tesla does JUST FINE in the arctic circle, in nothern Finland, Sweden, and Norway. Why do you think that cold will impact a car here? The ONLY way that it would impact it, is if the battery is cold. However, nobody starts a race with a cold engine, so, you do not have to have a cold battery.
As to bringing the vehicle in an ICE, that is true FOR THE MOMENT. While I am certain that EV trucks will be out in 5 years, I doubt that they will be the norm for hauling race cars around.
Regardless, I have little doubt that within 2 years, EVs will make a HUGE impact on all racing tracks. Heck, a swappable battery on EVs will make it so that not only does the vehicles have the enormous torque of EVs, but also a quick change in the pit. And going up pikes peak will no doubt belong to EVs shortly.
Energy storage is NOT a problem with EVs. The price was.
.06/KWH through more than 95% of America. You charge the car at nighttime, and most every car drives less than 100 Miles / day so this works.
The hybrids and POS like I3 and Leaf go with very little distance so that they they can keep their profits up. Tesla has it right in making cars with swap-able batteries in which the primary battery has 200-250 MPC. Next year, Tesla will introduce a pack that you can rent that will allow you to get 400+ MPC, which is perfect for distance driving.
Now as to the costs and efficiency, EVs blow the doors off ICE. There is a reason why you can get nighttime electricity at
BTW, most EV drivers fully support Nuke reactors. We NEED good base-load power systems.
Ah, the mightywind that is afraid to be up front.
First, Multiple studies in the US show that we have PLENTY of power to charge 100% of our vehicles. Of course, that depends on 25% or less being done in the daytime. But hey, do not let facts get in your way.
Secondly, the charging infrastructure is already in place in America. All of our homes have electricity. As to long distance driving, Tesla will have the nation wired for high speed charging by end of 2017.
Here is a better map of what is going on at this time.
Third, in 2 years, Tesla will have a car that costs less than 35K, without the subsidies, does over 200 MPC, and is still high performance along with high quality. Why would anybody want to buy POSs when you have such a car? The answer is, that only idiots like you will.
Fourth, once demand rises for that kind of car, you can bet that used cars will plummet in value.
Still attached to the kock brothers pants? Gas prices are a NONE issue. Electric cars car are coming down in price so much that ICE cars will be too expensive to own at $2.00/gal.
Actually, the electrics do NOT miss the point of altitude change. It is the ICE owners that refuse to recognize that altitude should not matter to the car. Basically, the EVs are about to take the records and destroy them since the electrics are so much quicker than ICE cars.
No doubt, we will see a Tesla Dual on the track. That is night and day above the one that set the 12 minute EV production run. I would not be surprised to see this monster and a Model S owning the top 2 records.
yeah, go ahead.
In less than 5 years, anybody that owns an ICE car (save something like a Rolls) will find that it is next to worthless.
Which will NOT help you win the pike peak race.
What wins that, is great driving combined with great torque for quickness. br
Seriously, these will be the first to have major repercussions.
In particular, Trucks that run from a train to a business, esp. during nighttime, are IDEAL for initial starting points. As such, companies like BNSF would be smart to buy the trucks and do this themselves.
Likewise, taxis for vacationers that run from say airport to hotels, are ripe to replace.
Actually, OCO2's (and hopefully more sats like it), ability is to see how much CO2 is over an area. We can see the generation and we can see what happens as it moves around. It is far more accurate than numbers from govs.. Keep in mind that it is in govs best interest to lie about local coal production, unless there are measurements. For China, they forbid the importing of such instruments, without direct gov permission. I have friends that work on other pollution for America and they went to China to measure. They were allowed to as long as they gave the numbers directly to the gov. What was not known was that they were also measuring the CO2. It is MUCH higher than is generally known. So much higher that they are emitting even more PER CAPITA than America (4 years ago, they were just under America per capita according to their measures). So no. I do NOT trust gov. or groups measurements. That is why I have been wanting OCO2 for a LONG TIME. China's gov and groups can not deny what is shown in that map. And by next year, the numbers will show up to be much worse, even though China's economy is actually tanking.
Fusion will likely not be the answer for another 40 years. At least if it is by ITER. For now, we NEED fission. In particular, we need it to use up all of the 'spent waste'.