1) get rid of your politicians. They are as bad as the neo-cons/tea* here in America. These bastards have made us dependent on China. Really bad IDEA.
2) Ideally, your nation would change their approach to AE. The best thing is to require that all new buildings under 5 stories have enough on-site Alternative energy that EQUALS the amount of energy used for your HVAC (with Heating AND COOLING). In general, that will mean Solar. BUT, it could be others. However, this would get builders to focus on insulation and cheaper means of heating/cooling.
3) if you are in an older building, then consider a new home. Otherwise, focus on insulation.
4) Finally, Buy a Nissan leaf, or better, a Tesla. If you do that, it sends a message to ALL car makers that you want electric. At the same time, if you have Solar on your roof, you can rig things so that several circuits are able to run during the daytime via solar, but then run at nighttime, via your electric car. Yes, you can use your electric car as a back-up.
Did I mention that you should get rid of your politicians? Sadly, we just voted back in the same fuckers that put us in bed with Communists.
This will get you EVERYTIME.
Yes, Home Depot offshored significant amounts of their admin. THis allows India to work on the computers in the middle of the night. However, like target, and the others, it enables ppl that have NO VESTED INTEREST in the company, or the nation, to have access to production.
This will continue as long as companies continue to cheat.
However, there are plenty of rare earth in the ocean floors. even with expected increases, it will be 100' of years before we have made a dent in the reserves.
China can and does restrict whatever they want.
They can stop the export, or the import.
That is why the real issue is NOT about the mining (we have reserves in western nations that have been found).
The question is, will be bring processing in-house, which is important to the whole process.
yes, but the conservatives are opposed to the actual reading of the law. Apparently, they believe that they have the right to allow evidence to be destroyed.
Interesting argument. The issue here is that the west continues to drop their CO2, while many other nations, esp. China, grow their CO2 emissions faster than the west drops.
Now, you can scream about we are going to die (not likely), BUT, the idea of focusing your efforts on nations that ARE dropping their emissions, while you choose to ignore those that are growing it faster than the drop, is pretty damn stupid.
There are plenty of new rare earth mines coming. However, molycorp was going to make a new processing plant, and then with a change of CEO, pulled out of this.
So,
1) Will the federal gov. help out with setting up a processing plant? My rep, Mark Coffman, used to push this as needed for national security, but, he has stopped since his friend was booted.
2) Will the federal and/or state gov. help with increasing demand so that we can rare earth processing off the ground again?
3) Is there any push by your group to deal with the thorium that comes with rare earth mining? Perhaps, new thorium reactors?
I point out the fact that the majority of R&D into this comes from America, and that we continue to outspend both Europe and CHina, and yet, you point to a link that has to do with using our technology, to make your companies. IOW, we do the expensive part of finding out how to make this work, while you and china, have investments to CATCH UP to the quantities that we had.
As to political commitments, please. Give me a FUCKING BREAK. Europe has NOT met kyoto. China has made NUMEROUS promises about lowering their CO2, while it continues to INCREASE by 3-7% of the world's output EACH YEAR. Political promises on this mean NOTHING. Absolutely nothing.
If you really really want emissions to go down, then nations would start taxing goods based on CO2 from the regions where they are at. In addition, you would stop this insane per capita BS that you push, and instead, focus on where CO2 REALLY comes from, which is business.
ok, I just LOVE when I see BS like this.
First, you list America in the lead there. We are at 15% AND DROPPING.
OTOH, China is at 33% AND RISING FAST. In 2015, they will be around 36% of CO2 emission, which will STILL BE GROWING.
Europe's decrease is similar to America's.
You think that Canada is a major emitter of CO2? NOT EVEN CLOSE. The ONLY way that they rate up there is if you use per capita. BUT, if you are going to use per capita, than you should be gripping about Australia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
Worse, when the data comes from OCO2, fools like you are going to ignore what CHina's new numbers will be. China KNOWS that their numbers are MUCH higher. That is why they claim BS about investing into lowering it, while the fact is, that they are not only higher, but growing MUCH FASTER.
Until ppl like you accept the idea that ALL NATIONS are in this together, and will simply encourage a tax on goods based on where they come from, the co2 will continue to grow in most nations.
I have NOT mischaracterized it. I am on the 350 site and read it off and on. It is constantly about America's 15%, even though we are continuing to drop.
And RARELY does it grip about China, or other nations that are growing fast.
Basically, 350 is WORTHLESS. Hell, the group had a GREAT chance to make REAL changes in America's long term emissions. For starters, on the pipeline, they could cut a deal to let it in. In return, increase subsidies on electric cars, as well as moving commercial vehicles to nat gas/serial hybrid. What that means is that the pipeline does NOT increase the CO2, but lowers the costs of tar oil. However, with the above subsidies moving America off oil, that will drop America's oil usage (along with our CO2 emissions), which will drop prices on oil.
350.org is a fucking nightmare and is actually causing CO2 to INCREASE, rather than focusing on stopping CO2 long-term.
The question becomes, how do you determine how big a slice should be?
For example, China has 1/6 of the world's population, but produces 1/3 of the CO2 and is in the bottom 1% in terms of Emission / $GDP.
America has 1/20 of the world's population, but produces less than 1/6 of the CO2, and is in the upper 33% in terms of Emissions / $GDP.
Then you have Europe. They have slightly more than 1/20 of the world's population, produces slightly less than America, and is also in the upper 33% in Emissions/$GDP.
Yet, some like you, focus on 15% that is DROPPING, while ignoring the 33% from just one nation, that is GROWING rapidly. And that ignores India and other nations that are growing fast as well.
First off, as shown above, America has dropped our CO2 by 17%, while China's emissions have gone up more than 250%.
Secondly, what is driving that, is NOT America's 'outsourcing', but China's cheating. America is NOT the one that made China go with 80% coal, NOR, are we the ones that told them that their money for investing into energy, should be used to dump on Western markets.
Basically, what you and other trash are doing, is telling a rape victim, that they are responsible and need to pay the raper money for service's rendered.
We do NOT need to worry about zero level at this time. Far more important is getting that 40-70% drop by 2050.
This tax will do just that. In fact, it could cause us to drop our emissions by that within 20 years, rather than 30 years. The reason why, is that if any nation cheats, and we use OCO2/other sats, we can spot them.
Ok, then lets get the Martians to fix the mess. Or we can expect that the Brazilian Indians will fix the mess.
Or perhaps, they are not capable of fixing it, since they are NOT the cause of the mess?
BTW, you think that China is doing things for good? Okay. Lets look at REAL NUMBERS.
Go look at table a1.2 in this study and compare US vs. China.
What you see is that America's per capita has gone from 19.6 in 1990, to 16.4 in 2012, which is a total change of -17%.
OTOH, china has gone from 2.1 in 1990 to 7.1 in 2012 which is a total change of 233%.
And you claim that China is IMPROVING? Seriously? In a normal year, China increases their emissions per capita, by.5-1.0.
OTOH, America has been dropping ours by.5-1 each year. In 3-5 years, China's per capita emissions will surpass America's.
Taxing goods based on where they and parts come from, WILL drive manufacturing away from bad areas, over towards good areas. That means that nations that make REAL changes in lowering their emissions per GDP, will actually increase their GDP, and likely drive the taxes even lower. This will only help to cause ALL nations to either keep their emissions low (say Switzerland and Sweden), OR help those that invest into actually lowering their emisions, OR punish those that keep their emissions high. IOW, this approach will in fact lead to all nations dropping emissions one way or another.
So, yeah, this helps LOWER the emissions by rewarding smaller areas that drop their emissions / GDP.
So, if I gripe about america's deficits and then point my fingers at say all black kids for it, while giving the white neo-cons a pass on it, I would have a good argument, since I was gripeing that we have a deficit problem?
Likewise, if I bitch about america constantly being at war, but claim that we have to stop soldiers from causing this. Right?
the two arguments above make the same sense as ur argument.
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Depends on where you live and how many panels you have.
We produce more electricity at our house every month then we use.
Yes, but when they try to control others, as well as invade other European nations, well, that is a problem.
1) get rid of your politicians. They are as bad as the neo-cons/tea* here in America. These bastards have made us dependent on China. Really bad IDEA.
2) Ideally, your nation would change their approach to AE. The best thing is to require that all new buildings under 5 stories have enough on-site Alternative energy that EQUALS the amount of energy used for your HVAC (with Heating AND COOLING). In general, that will mean Solar. BUT, it could be others. However, this would get builders to focus on insulation and cheaper means of heating/cooling.
3) if you are in an older building, then consider a new home. Otherwise, focus on insulation.
4) Finally, Buy a Nissan leaf, or better, a Tesla. If you do that, it sends a message to ALL car makers that you want electric. At the same time, if you have Solar on your roof, you can rig things so that several circuits are able to run during the daytime via solar, but then run at nighttime, via your electric car. Yes, you can use your electric car as a back-up.
Did I mention that you should get rid of your politicians? Sadly, we just voted back in the same fuckers that put us in bed with Communists.
This will get you EVERYTIME.
Yes, Home Depot offshored significant amounts of their admin. THis allows India to work on the computers in the middle of the night. However, like target, and the others, it enables ppl that have NO VESTED INTEREST in the company, or the nation, to have access to production.
This will continue as long as companies continue to cheat.
which is what mining asteroids is all about.
However, there are plenty of rare earth in the ocean floors. even with expected increases, it will be 100' of years before we have made a dent in the reserves.
it is the processing of the ore that is the real problem.
China can and does restrict whatever they want.
They can stop the export, or the import.
That is why the real issue is NOT about the mining (we have reserves in western nations that have been found).
The question is, will be bring processing in-house, which is important to the whole process.
yes, but the conservatives are opposed to the actual reading of the law. Apparently, they believe that they have the right to allow evidence to be destroyed.
Apparently, the law was intended to be used against all, and not just CEOs of banks
There. FTFY.
Far more likely that companies like google will provide cache servers that are multicasted to and then single streamed from.
Interesting argument. The issue here is that the west continues to drop their CO2, while many other nations, esp. China, grow their CO2 emissions faster than the west drops.
Now, you can scream about we are going to die (not likely), BUT, the idea of focusing your efforts on nations that ARE dropping their emissions, while you choose to ignore those that are growing it faster than the drop, is pretty damn stupid.
There are plenty of new rare earth mines coming. However, molycorp was going to make a new processing plant, and then with a change of CEO, pulled out of this.
So,
1) Will the federal gov. help out with setting up a processing plant? My rep, Mark Coffman, used to push this as needed for national security, but, he has stopped since his friend was booted.
2) Will the federal and/or state gov. help with increasing demand so that we can rare earth processing off the ground again?
3) Is there any push by your group to deal with the thorium that comes with rare earth mining? Perhaps, new thorium reactors?
I point out the fact that the majority of R&D into this comes from America, and that we continue to outspend both Europe and CHina, and yet, you point to a link that has to do with using our technology, to make your companies. IOW, we do the expensive part of finding out how to make this work, while you and china, have investments to CATCH UP to the quantities that we had.
As to political commitments, please. Give me a FUCKING BREAK. Europe has NOT met kyoto. China has made NUMEROUS promises about lowering their CO2, while it continues to INCREASE by 3-7% of the world's output EACH YEAR. Political promises on this mean NOTHING. Absolutely nothing.
If you really really want emissions to go down, then nations would start taxing goods based on CO2 from the regions where they are at. In addition, you would stop this insane per capita BS that you push, and instead, focus on where CO2 REALLY comes from, which is business.
ok, I just LOVE when I see BS like this.
First, you list America in the lead there. We are at 15% AND DROPPING.
OTOH, China is at 33% AND RISING FAST. In 2015, they will be around 36% of CO2 emission, which will STILL BE GROWING.
Europe's decrease is similar to America's.
You think that Canada is a major emitter of CO2? NOT EVEN CLOSE. The ONLY way that they rate up there is if you use per capita. BUT, if you are going to use per capita, than you should be gripping about Australia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
Worse, when the data comes from OCO2, fools like you are going to ignore what CHina's new numbers will be. China KNOWS that their numbers are MUCH higher. That is why they claim BS about investing into lowering it, while the fact is, that they are not only higher, but growing MUCH FASTER.
Until ppl like you accept the idea that ALL NATIONS are in this together, and will simply encourage a tax on goods based on where they come from, the co2 will continue to grow in most nations.
Wrong. The developing nations are NOT the fast adopters of solar/wind. They are moving quickly towards oil and coal.
The US never ratified the Kyoto protocol.
Yeah. So what? We STILL beat what we promised to do in it.
I have NOT mischaracterized it. I am on the 350 site and read it off and on. It is constantly about America's 15%, even though we are continuing to drop.
And RARELY does it grip about China, or other nations that are growing fast.
Basically, 350 is WORTHLESS. Hell, the group had a GREAT chance to make REAL changes in America's long term emissions. For starters, on the pipeline, they could cut a deal to let it in. In return, increase subsidies on electric cars, as well as moving commercial vehicles to nat gas/serial hybrid. What that means is that the pipeline does NOT increase the CO2, but lowers the costs of tar oil. However, with the above subsidies moving America off oil, that will drop America's oil usage (along with our CO2 emissions), which will drop prices on oil.
350.org is a fucking nightmare and is actually causing CO2 to INCREASE, rather than focusing on stopping CO2 long-term.
The question becomes, how do you determine how big a slice should be? /$GDP.
For example, China has 1/6 of the world's population, but produces 1/3 of the CO2 and is in the bottom 1% in terms of Emission / $GDP.
America has 1/20 of the world's population, but produces less than 1/6 of the CO2, and is in the upper 33% in terms of Emissions / $GDP.
Then you have Europe. They have slightly more than 1/20 of the world's population, produces slightly less than America, and is also in the upper 33% in Emissions
Yet, some like you, focus on 15% that is DROPPING, while ignoring the 33% from just one nation, that is GROWING rapidly. And that ignores India and other nations that are growing fast as well.
Yes, we adults will discuss how to solve things. Sadly, you kids will continue to scream and ignore facts.
First off, as shown above, America has dropped our CO2 by 17%, while China's emissions have gone up more than 250%.
Secondly, what is driving that, is NOT America's 'outsourcing', but China's cheating. America is NOT the one that made China go with 80% coal, NOR, are we the ones that told them that their money for investing into energy, should be used to dump on Western markets.
Basically, what you and other trash are doing, is telling a rape victim, that they are responsible and need to pay the raper money for service's rendered.
We do NOT need to worry about zero level at this time. Far more important is getting that 40-70% drop by 2050.
This tax will do just that. In fact, it could cause us to drop our emissions by that within 20 years, rather than 30 years. The reason why, is that if any nation cheats, and we use OCO2/other sats, we can spot them.
Ok, then lets get the Martians to fix the mess. Or we can expect that the Brazilian Indians will fix the mess.
Or perhaps, they are not capable of fixing it, since they are NOT the cause of the mess?
BTW, you think that China is doing things for good? Okay. Lets look at REAL NUMBERS.
.5-1.0. .5-1 each year. In 3-5 years, China's per capita emissions will surpass America's.
Go look at table a1.2 in this study and compare US vs. China.
What you see is that America's per capita has gone from 19.6 in 1990, to 16.4 in 2012, which is a total change of -17%.
OTOH, china has gone from 2.1 in 1990 to 7.1 in 2012 which is a total change of 233%.
And you claim that China is IMPROVING? Seriously? In a normal year, China increases their emissions per capita, by
OTOH, America has been dropping ours by
Taxing goods based on where they and parts come from, WILL drive manufacturing away from bad areas, over towards good areas. That means that nations that make REAL changes in lowering their emissions per GDP, will actually increase their GDP, and likely drive the taxes even lower. This will only help to cause ALL nations to either keep their emissions low (say Switzerland and Sweden), OR help those that invest into actually lowering their emisions, OR punish those that keep their emissions high. IOW, this approach will in fact lead to all nations dropping emissions one way or another.
So, yeah, this helps LOWER the emissions by rewarding smaller areas that drop their emissions / GDP.
So, if I gripe about america's deficits and then point my fingers at say all black kids for it, while giving the white neo-cons a pass on it, I would have a good argument, since I was gripeing that we have a deficit problem?
Likewise, if I bitch about america constantly being at war, but claim that we have to stop soldiers from causing this. Right?
the two arguments above make the same sense as ur argument.