The fact is, that ATI has changed their name and is doing everything possible to avoid being responsible or having to pay.
Interestingly, these ppl are the same way about climate as they are about personal responsibility.
I wonder if we can sue, and claim that the veil was broken and go after these ppl personally, and have them thrown in jail for a LONG time.
That would help slow down, or stop frivolous lawsuits.
Skepticism about AGW catastrophism is rampant among the world's scientists at large (physicists, biologists, etc.), and many climate scientists have been cautiously coming out of the closet and poking sticks at the shaky foundations as well.
not as long as China is allowed to manipulate their money and continue to dump their products on the west.
However, if the price of oil jumps, then it will be hard for China to keep their yuan down, without suffering massive inflation.
As it is, India and Russia are suffering massive inflation because of their manipulation of their money.
Actually, other than the fact that they are cheating by manipulating their money, they ARE prioritizing correctly. You need a decent economy to help your nation. As such, they are working hard at doing so.
In a way, I have no issue with their manipulating their money, but object, when their economy booms and they continue to keep the manipulation going, along with blocking other nations.
LOL. 1000's of rocket launches, even millions of rocket launches are not a big deal. And the fact is, that a billion car trips are not a big deal. HOWEVER, 100's of billions of car trips PER YEAR, adds up. And then to make maters worse, add in another 100% with just concrete production. And then another 100% just by coal to electricity production. Now, you are into REAL NUMBERS.
Besides, oil based cars are going away. They are too slow, too expensive, and nearly all of them are real POSs.
Seriously, they would do well to work with start-ups that are ran by ppl that want to make a change.
Detroit does NOT want to make a change. They simply want to dominate in the USA.
Hmmm. Lets see.
All fuel cell cars up to this point has been around 300 KM. Now, this one will be 800 KM or 500 miles. So, you can now drive 250 miles away from all 4 locations in which you can fill up at. Not, really that good at range, eh?
Fueling time does you no good when there are only 12 fueling stations in all of the USA, and only 4 cities. OTOH, you can fuel all over the USA.
In addiiton, starting next year, Tesla will be doing 90 exchanges of batteries, and will offer batteries with 500 MPC.
Costs? Hmmm. Lets see. Electricity for daytime is.12/KWH, and only.05/KWH during the nighttime. With a battery, I get around 90% efficiency combined with 90% motor.
OTOH, H2 has to be created from CH4, using loads of electricity that was bought at around.10/KWH. In addition, the LH2 was shipped around via truck, Then stored on a property. All of which adds costs. Then you have around 45% efficiency of the fuel cell, combined with 90% motor.
Just in the car itself, the electric car is around 81% efficient, while the LH2 car has less than 1/2 of that.
So..... How exactly will hydrogen fuel cells produce cheaper costs when the vehicle itself starts off far more inefficient, and then you have to waste butt loads of electricity on conversion and transportation?
Considering that there are only 12 places to fuel in USA, I would have to differ with you. I have 30,000+ places in America to recharge from. And with tesla, I get not only a top notch car, but free recharging for long distance driving.
Sadly, those of you with your mouth hooked to the front zipper of big oil, well...
Until splitting water is far cheaper than CH4, then CH4 will remain the main choice for H2.
And when it comes to declaring HFC an electric car, well, no. It is a hybrid, nothing more. Just becuase it uses motors to drive the wheels does not mean that it is a true electric car.
Actually, most of the fuel cells will do just fine in the cold, esp the H2 versions.
In addition, the impact depends on the storage means. But to be fair, it is not much different than any other form of storage. Basically, you have energy that is stored and capable of fire and explosion. Interestingly, with how many accept the danger of gas/diesel, H2 should not be that big of an issue.
BUT, all of the rest that you say is correct. In fact, H2 will ALWAYS remain very expensive compared to plain old electric storage.
For Japan or America? For America, here you go. All 12, in 4 locations.
What is interesting is that the price of these would be equal to about $7/gal gas.
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The fact is, that ATI has changed their name and is doing everything possible to avoid being responsible or having to pay.
Interestingly, these ppl are the same way about climate as they are about personal responsibility.
I wonder if we can sue, and claim that the veil was broken and go after these ppl personally, and have them thrown in jail for a LONG time.
That would help slow down, or stop frivolous lawsuits.
And yet, when Mueller was funded by kock brothers, he changed from a well-known skeptic to a believer. Why? Because the data showed him that it was the ONLY possible answer.
Skepticism about AGW catastrophism is rampant among the world's scientists at large (physicists, biologists, etc.), and many climate scientists have been cautiously coming out of the closet and poking sticks at the shaky foundations as well.
Cool. Please show us links to back this up.
OTOH, I can show you links that claim otherwise.
Heck, here is Richard Muller who lead the charge against AGW, who upon funding from the kock brothers, changed position.
not as long as China is allowed to manipulate their money and continue to dump their products on the west.
However, if the price of oil jumps, then it will be hard for China to keep their yuan down, without suffering massive inflation.
As it is, India and Russia are suffering massive inflation because of their manipulation of their money.
Yeah, I am sure that nobody would ever think to use this for other chemical reactions.
Normally, formic acid is 800-1200 / tonne. I wonder if this would be a great deal cheaper?
Uniformed troll is uninformed, News at 11.
BTW, here you go.
Why do you say that? It looks like you posted at 7, not 11.
Actually, other than the fact that they are cheating by manipulating their money, they ARE prioritizing correctly. You need a decent economy to help your nation. As such, they are working hard at doing so.
In a way, I have no issue with their manipulating their money, but object, when their economy booms and they continue to keep the manipulation going, along with blocking other nations.
Seriously, this is because they are manipulating the rupee against the $. This has to stop.
Far more likely China. Russia already had the tech needed to efficiently drill.
LOL. 1000's of rocket launches, even millions of rocket launches are not a big deal. And the fact is, that a billion car trips are not a big deal. HOWEVER, 100's of billions of car trips PER YEAR, adds up. And then to make maters worse, add in another 100% with just concrete production. And then another 100% just by coal to electricity production. Now, you are into REAL NUMBERS.
Besides, oil based cars are going away. They are too slow, too expensive, and nearly all of them are real POSs.
LOL.
Not even close.
However, what they are going to find is that the west does not begin to pollute anywhere near as much as other nations are.
The fact is, that this sat will show which nations produce CO2 and in what levels.
And the world is in for a shock.
Seriously, they would do well to work with start-ups that are ran by ppl that want to make a change.
Detroit does NOT want to make a change. They simply want to dominate in the USA.
even better would be to charge batteries.
scrubbing does not remove CO2.
In fact, using LH2, will increase CO2, vs. simply using electric cars.
Hmmm. Lets see.
.12/KWH, and only .05/KWH during the nighttime. With a battery, I get around 90% efficiency combined with 90% motor. .10/KWH. In addition, the LH2 was shipped around via truck, Then stored on a property. All of which adds costs. Then you have around 45% efficiency of the fuel cell, combined with 90% motor.
All fuel cell cars up to this point has been around 300 KM. Now, this one will be 800 KM or 500 miles. So, you can now drive 250 miles away from all 4 locations in which you can fill up at. Not, really that good at range, eh?
Fueling time does you no good when there are only 12 fueling stations in all of the USA, and only 4 cities. OTOH, you can fuel all over the USA.
In addiiton, starting next year, Tesla will be doing 90 exchanges of batteries, and will offer batteries with 500 MPC.
Costs? Hmmm. Lets see. Electricity for daytime is
OTOH, H2 has to be created from CH4, using loads of electricity that was bought at around
Just in the car itself, the electric car is around 81% efficient, while the LH2 car has less than 1/2 of that.
So..... How exactly will hydrogen fuel cells produce cheaper costs when the vehicle itself starts off far more inefficient, and then you have to waste butt loads of electricity on conversion and transportation?
exactly. In fact, electric cars are currently far safer on this than is any fuel, BUT, stored energy is still stored energy.
uh, no. It is not an electric car. Yes, it uses a motor to drive it, but so does serial hybrids, which is exactly what this trash is.
Considering that there are only 12 places to fuel in USA, I would have to differ with you. I have 30,000+ places in America to recharge from. And with tesla, I get not only a top notch car, but free recharging for long distance driving.
Sadly, those of you with your mouth hooked to the front zipper of big oil, well...
Just ICE alone is MAX 25%. Their drive trains drag it much lower.
And the fuel cell is MAX 60%.
But, otherwise, you are correct.
Until splitting water is far cheaper than CH4, then CH4 will remain the main choice for H2.
And when it comes to declaring HFC an electric car, well, no. It is a hybrid, nothing more. Just becuase it uses motors to drive the wheels does not mean that it is a true electric car.
Actually, most of the fuel cells will do just fine in the cold, esp the H2 versions.
In addition, the impact depends on the storage means. But to be fair, it is not much different than any other form of storage. Basically, you have energy that is stored and capable of fire and explosion. Interestingly, with how many accept the danger of gas/diesel, H2 should not be that big of an issue.
BUT, all of the rest that you say is correct. In fact, H2 will ALWAYS remain very expensive compared to plain old electric storage.
For Japan or America?
For America, here you go. All 12, in 4 locations.
What is interesting is that the price of these would be equal to about $7/gal gas.