And there is another difference between the gull wing and the falcon wing doors. Since the falcon door itself is double hinged (unlike gull-wings), it is possible for the lower part to be opened.
BTW, NHSTA could not roll the Model S except for forcing it over. I would expect the same thing in the Model X. Those batteries are low.
the model S is a full size car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids. The Model X will seat 7 adults. The Model E/white star/gen 3 is considered an executive compact and will seat 4 adults or 2 adults and 3 kids. IOW, they are nothing alike. Totally different categories.
why would they lower the prices on those? They compete against cars that are 50-100% more in price range. In addition, they will take about 1/3 to 1/2 of the market place in the 80-200K vehicles with these 2 and that is without a fraction of the salesfloor as well as no marketing budget, that MB, Audi, Caddy, BMW, Lexus, etc have.
So, with that in mind, Why would they want to lower their price?
Honestly, they would be wise to sell just the chassis with the drivetrain. That approach would allow for kit cars to be developed on these. I suspect that it would also lead to other companies developing some interesting type cars.
and yes, it is obvious that you do not have a clue about what vaporware is. It means that something is claimed, but has not been fully developed yet. Giga-factory is not a big deal. Same process, only geared and using cheaper lithium. As such,it is no more vaporware, than claiming that Windows is vaporware because it is installed on N, rather than N+1 machines.
BTW, a gull wing door, is a FIXED door that is hinged at the top, rather than the side.
A falcon wing has 2 sets of hinges so that it does not swing wide and crash into other cars which was one of the main issues with the gull-wing doors. Tesla solved the issue by coming up with a new design.
Your hatred has clouded your judgement badly, or you just simply lied. The fact that you lied about the above link that you gave, speaks volumes.
It is a hatchback, just like ALL cross-overs, jeeps, and SUVs.
However, the Model X is absolutely not a wagon since it is too large. The industry calls it a 'Full-size crossover utility vehicle'. That is the industry. Heck, it is bigger, and better performing then others cross-overs like BMW X5 or X6, which are also called a crossover utility vehicle.
Amazing that you were modded up. The golf is a POS that ppl buy because it is cheaply made and over charged for. That is the LAST car that anybody should EVER consider copying.
Instead, Tesla is doing the right thing. They are starting higher end, making profit that allows them to grow. At the same time, they are installing showrooms, service centers AND super chargers all over America and Europe. This is all funded by currently 30K cars / year, and next year, it will be 50K cars / year. Compared to the big boys, that is a drop in the bucket. BUT, since it is all high-end, they make much higher profits that enable them to build this out.
When they come out with the Model E, they will produce about 200-250K model E / year. They expect to continue making 50-70K model S/X each year as well. That means that Tesla will control the global market for cars in the $35K all the way up to $150K (if not $200K). More importantly, they will be able to build out their showroom/service center/super charger network in the entire rest of the world, all financed by these cars.
Actually, you are the idiot. VW is now delivering e-golf, has a weaker motor, much slower speeds (the golf will do 0-100 km in 11.2, the regular leaf does it in under 8), same distance and costs more. BUT, to make matters worse, they do NOTHING for the heat issue, in the same way that Nissan has blown this.
The leaf is not that great, but it beats the daylights out of the e-golf (and the golf for that matter).
actually, the Model E is NOT their low-end sedan. It is an executive compact and will be their mid-range car. They actually have plans to deliver even lower price cars, but not until after 2020.
As someone placed in the Christian faith not by my choice, it bugs me when folks use "Christian" as a descriptor to mean "I do what I want, how I want, in the name of Christianity". Folks like that have no issue treating certain other folks badly, all in the name of some misguided (my opinion) understanding of certain phrases.
Personally, I find it interesting that men like Lincoln ran around saying that they hoped that they were doing what god wanted, while working hard to be good, while men like reagan and W ran around saying that they knew that god backed them in what they did and that it was all good, in spite of the lies, deceit, and thousands/millions (respectively) that were murdered in all of their invasions.
Seriously, these are the same group of ppl that are telling NASA that they MUST build the SLS.
Likewise, that the DOD MUST build another 1000 M1A2 tanks, even though the DOD has 3000 of them and desperately wants to bring the line down for several years to make changes to the tank so that it can handle IEDs and other items.
And the same group of ppl that refuse to deal with our illegal alien issues.
And The same ones that built the NSA to spy on Americans and foreign leaders.
And the same group that destroyed America's economy back in 2005-7, leading to the global recession.
nope. Mercedes invested very little. They own less than 5% currently. OTOH, Toyota did a lot. There was a lot from Mercedes that was on the roadster, but very little on the Model S (and I think that most of it is gone).
No, we will just color you full of lies.
Your first big lie, is when you claim that the X will be less than 1/2 of the price.
Falcon doors are gull wings, in the same way that Humans are Chimpanze.
And calling a scale up of manufacturing in which the new factory will double the world's production, vaporware does not have the same meaning.
how did you get modded up to insightful?
Nixon opened the door. Then you had reagan send over LOADS of economic items. For example, he asked the original moly corp to help China with their rare earth, by turning over their technology on how to mine and process it. That destroyed moly corp. Clinton allowed China to buy neo-mag, but not to move it. However, W/ you neo-cons overrode the military's objections and allowed the company to move to China.
Yes, clinton made a deal with China in 2000. BUT, it was W that allowed China to simply ignore all aspects of the deal for the next 8 years, until they were a monster. One of the biggest is the money was supposed to be freed in 2005. Instead, china kept on directly manipulating it by fixing it to the west's (read $) money.
exactly. It is far far cheaper to destroy a nation/group of nation economically, then to engage in a hot war.
The real problem here is that western leaders do not think of themselves in a cold war with China, while China absolutely is engaged.
Worst, we have loads of kids running around screaming that China is not engaged in a cold war, while ignoring facts like this.
Seriously, the faults lie with the companies that hire these ppl. Many of them will grab an opportunity to make large money while helping their nation. Chinese leaders are in a cold war with the west and will continue to steal all technology that they can. Look at Germany's transrapid. They put in a line because they were ASSURED by the gov. that the tech would not be stolen. In fact, Transrapid hired a 24x7 guard for their electronics cabinet. At the same time, transrapid quietly put in a camera to record the cabinet. What was recorded was that a known mag lev researcher showed up with 2 members of the PLA who told the security guy to step aside and to not talk about this. He did, and the camera record the researcher spending time in the cabinet looking around.
China can develop their own, but it comes at the same costs as what we in the west have. They do not want that. So, they find it cheaper to destroy the west via theft.
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I think that all parking garages are at least 7'. If so, then this will fit. Otherwise, not only will this car not fit, but few trucks and SUVs.
And there is another difference between the gull wing and the falcon wing doors. Since the falcon door itself is double hinged (unlike gull-wings), it is possible for the lower part to be opened.
BTW, NHSTA could not roll the Model S except for forcing it over. I would expect the same thing in the Model X. Those batteries are low.
Model X will be offered with a 60 kWh or an 85 kWh battery and will be dual motor all-wheel drive.
the model S is a full size car that seats 5 adults and 2 kids. The Model X will seat 7 adults. The Model E/white star/gen 3 is considered an executive compact and will seat 4 adults or 2 adults and 3 kids. IOW, they are nothing alike. Totally different categories.
why would they lower the prices on those? They compete against cars that are 50-100% more in price range. In addition, they will take about 1/3 to 1/2 of the market place in the 80-200K vehicles with these 2 and that is without a fraction of the salesfloor as well as no marketing budget, that MB, Audi, Caddy, BMW, Lexus, etc have.
So, with that in mind, Why would they want to lower their price?
Honestly, they would be wise to sell just the chassis with the drivetrain. That approach would allow for kit cars to be developed on these. I suspect that it would also lead to other companies developing some interesting type cars.
and yes, it is obvious that you do not have a clue about what vaporware is. It means that something is claimed, but has not been fully developed yet. Giga-factory is not a big deal. Same process, only geared and using cheaper lithium. As such,it is no more vaporware, than claiming that Windows is vaporware because it is installed on N, rather than N+1 machines.
The second-row doors "are like gull-wing doors, but we call them 'falcon-wing' doors," Musk said at the unveiling. They offer the easiest access to the rear seats of any luxury vehicle, he said."
No where else do I see anything that refers to gull wings and his statement. If you parsed that as musk saying that these are gull wing doors, then it is obvious why you have such difficulty with TFA.
BTW, a gull wing door, is a FIXED door that is hinged at the top, rather than the side.
A falcon wing has 2 sets of hinges so that it does not swing wide and crash into other cars which was one of the main issues with the gull-wing doors. Tesla solved the issue by coming up with a new design.
Your hatred has clouded your judgement badly, or you just simply lied. The fact that you lied about the above link that you gave, speaks volumes.
toyota rav4 ev is out and being sold in CA.
exactly right. My wife is dying to buy a Tesla, but she does not want the S. She wants the X, so, we wait.
It is a hatchback, just like ALL cross-overs, jeeps, and SUVs.
However, the Model X is absolutely not a wagon since it is too large. The industry calls it a 'Full-size crossover utility vehicle'. That is the industry. Heck, it is bigger, and better performing then others cross-overs like BMW X5 or X6, which are also called a crossover utility vehicle.
Amazing that you were modded up. The golf is a POS that ppl buy because it is cheaply made and over charged for. That is the LAST car that anybody should EVER consider copying.
Instead, Tesla is doing the right thing. They are starting higher end, making profit that allows them to grow. At the same time, they are installing showrooms, service centers AND super chargers all over America and Europe. This is all funded by currently 30K cars / year, and next year, it will be 50K cars / year. Compared to the big boys, that is a drop in the bucket. BUT, since it is all high-end, they make much higher profits that enable them to build this out.
When they come out with the Model E, they will produce about 200-250K model E / year. They expect to continue making 50-70K model S/X each year as well. That means that Tesla will control the global market for cars in the $35K all the way up to $150K (if not $200K). More importantly, they will be able to build out their showroom/service center/super charger network in the entire rest of the world, all financed by these cars.
best posting. Obviously, you understand the economics of it while others here are really missing out.
Actually, you are the idiot. VW is now delivering e-golf, has a weaker motor, much slower speeds (the golf will do 0-100 km in 11.2, the regular leaf does it in under 8), same distance and costs more.
BUT, to make matters worse, they do NOTHING for the heat issue, in the same way that Nissan has blown this.
The leaf is not that great, but it beats the daylights out of the e-golf (and the golf for that matter).
actually, the Model E is NOT their low-end sedan. It is an executive compact and will be their mid-range car. They actually have plans to deliver even lower price cars, but not until after 2020.
As someone placed in the Christian faith not by my choice, it bugs me when folks use "Christian" as a descriptor to mean "I do what I want, how I want, in the name of Christianity". Folks like that have no issue treating certain other folks badly, all in the name of some misguided (my opinion) understanding of certain phrases.
Personally, I find it interesting that men like Lincoln ran around saying that they hoped that they were doing what god wanted, while working hard to be good, while men like reagan and W ran around saying that they knew that god backed them in what they did and that it was all good, in spite of the lies, deceit, and thousands/millions (respectively) that were murdered in all of their invasions.
Seriously, these are the same group of ppl that are telling NASA that they MUST build the SLS.
Likewise, that the DOD MUST build another 1000 M1A2 tanks, even though the DOD has 3000 of them and desperately wants to bring the line down for several years to make changes to the tank so that it can handle IEDs and other items.
And the same group of ppl that refuse to deal with our illegal alien issues.
And The same ones that built the NSA to spy on Americans and foreign leaders.
And the same group that destroyed America's economy back in 2005-7, leading to the global recession.
These GD neo-cons are destroying America.b
nope. Mercedes invested very little. They own less than 5% currently. OTOH, Toyota did a lot. There was a lot from Mercedes that was on the roadster, but very little on the Model S (and I think that most of it is gone).
not a reading comprehension, just a troll.
No, we will just color you full of lies.
Your first big lie, is when you claim that the X will be less than 1/2 of the price.
Falcon doors are gull wings, in the same way that Humans are Chimpanze.
And calling a scale up of manufacturing in which the new factory will double the world's production, vaporware does not have the same meaning.
Big pharma is worried about India, when in fact, they should be concerned about CHina. Far more theft occurs there then elsewhere.
state dept can do little. It is time for the govs. to stop it.
how did you get modded up to insightful?
Nixon opened the door. Then you had reagan send over LOADS of economic items. For example, he asked the original moly corp to help China with their rare earth, by turning over their technology on how to mine and process it. That destroyed moly corp. Clinton allowed China to buy neo-mag, but not to move it. However, W/ you neo-cons overrode the military's objections and allowed the company to move to China.
Yes, clinton made a deal with China in 2000. BUT, it was W that allowed China to simply ignore all aspects of the deal for the next 8 years, until they were a monster. One of the biggest is the money was supposed to be freed in 2005. Instead, china kept on directly manipulating it by fixing it to the west's (read $) money.
The nightmare are you neo-cons.
exactly. It is far far cheaper to destroy a nation/group of nation economically, then to engage in a hot war.
The real problem here is that western leaders do not think of themselves in a cold war with China, while China absolutely is engaged.
Worst, we have loads of kids running around screaming that China is not engaged in a cold war, while ignoring facts like this.
Seriously, the faults lie with the companies that hire these ppl. Many of them will grab an opportunity to make large money while helping their nation. Chinese leaders are in a cold war with the west and will continue to steal all technology that they can. Look at Germany's transrapid. They put in a line because they were ASSURED by the gov. that the tech would not be stolen. In fact, Transrapid hired a 24x7 guard for their electronics cabinet. At the same time, transrapid quietly put in a camera to record the cabinet. What was recorded was that a known mag lev researcher showed up with 2 members of the PLA who told the security guy to step aside and to not talk about this. He did, and the camera record the researcher spending time in the cabinet looking around.
China can develop their own, but it comes at the same costs as what we in the west have. They do not want that. So, they find it cheaper to destroy the west via theft.