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House Committee Approves Bill Banning In-Flight Phone Calls
An anonymous reader tips news that the U.S. House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee has approved a bill that would ban voice calls from mobile devices on airplanes. The legislation, sponsored by Rep. Bill Shuster (R-PA), now goes to the full House of Representatives for a vote. Similar efforts are underway in the Senate. There was no opposition to Shuster's bill in the House committee, and the FCC received a flood of support for such a measure when they asked for public comment. In an op-ed published Monday, Shuster wrote, "In today’s world, enriched as it is by technology, we are bombarded by data, opinions, and potential distractions. Few limits to this flow of information are necessary, partly because people can typically turn it off, disconnect from it, or go elsewhere if they choose. But in the close confines of an airplane cabin – where passengers will still be able to use their mobile devices for texting, emailing, working, and more – there is no chance to opt out. So for those few hours of flight spent with 150 strangers, we can all wait to make that phone call. It’s just common sense and common courtesy."
If you're too important for this, fuck you.
Read what de Gaulle said about "irreplaceable" men...
Travelling as US Representative, planes are one of the few places where you may even have to sit next to a pleb. Suddenly you realise how much you hate them. Worse, they may make noise. This bill will keep the plebs from annoying you.
Don't you love it when they're legislating "common courtesy"?
I've looked through the Constitution, but I don't see where Congress gets the power to ban telephone calls on planes.
They're so concerned about people making calls, yet they've had airline phones for years.
And how is it any worse to be trapped on a plane with such idiots than on a bus? At least on a plane you're only stuck with them for a couple hours, not all day on an overland trip.
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Why must it be a law? Shouldn't airlines be free to implement their "please don't talk other passengers' heads off" policy ?
so just BUTT OUT.
I think things like common sense and courtesy are cultural ideas that are created and modified in the marketplace of ideas. I'd rather let the airlines, and thus the consumers, decide. The FCC showed via Science that its ok to use a cell phone, that it doesn't affect the safety of the flight. They should just leave it there and not legislate social norms.
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Unless I can throw out of the plane the loud mouths who are basically shouting on their phones, I don't want to have to listen to them.
Interesting that this was not an issue with the (expensive) wired satphone handsets that are already in many airplane cabins.Passengers were somehow able to avoid making a nuisance of themselves with wired handsets... what makes mobile phones so different?
How is someone talking endlessly on their cell any different from the two people directly behind me chatting for hours? Let's just pass a law that everyone must not generate more than 20db for the entire flight (sarcasm).
Ban voice calls on planes, in airport lounges, subways, resturants and cinema. We need legislation so that the state and lawyer can become involved in the enforcement of manners. Also we need laws on the correct position of toilets seats, cutlery positions after meals and the poking and prodding of bodily orrifices in publice places. Conversations on planes should be banned as well as they annoy surrounding passengers as well as children, infants and movies..........Or we could just ensure that airlines provide earplugs on request.
... and yet they're OK with the TSA sticking fingers up your bucket?
Agreed. This is a perfect example of where market forces should be allowed to let the consumer decide. Why is the government deciding to step in?
Only in this one special case, it's enforced by law.
1) Because a HUGE number of people contacted their reps and said this is NOT something they want to be subjected to -- air travel sucks enough as it is.
2) Because I can guarantee you there would be an in-air homicide within the first few weeks as some asshole talks on his phone incessantly. And when the plane lands, the rest of the passengers will mysteriously not recall how he ended up strangled with his own tongue.
3) Because people seem incapable of arriving at common sense and common courtesy on their own.
Because the Republicans want Small Government and don't want government to intrude on our lives. Except when they do.
Politicians are idiots with a poor sense of priorities.
So a republican is legislating good manners? I thought they were against the government telling us how to live our lives.
What's wrong with allowing the airlines set the policy on their own planes?
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Talking on the phone is even more incorrect in a movie theater than in a plane, yet I hope we can all agree it would be wrong for the government to pass a law outlawing phone usage in theaters. It's the job of the theater to determine what is acceptable behavior (within the bounds of law) to restrict. This is even more true of an airplane. The government should only be legislating if there is an actual public health/safety concern.
Because those calls were so expensive no one ever used the phones. With everyone single person owning a cell phone, this would not be the case anymore. In short, it was never a problem with the old phones because they were unused.
I might actually consider flying a bit more often if it weren't for all the other passengers... I find them so annoying...
And to the commenter that mentioned Body Odor... I have a friend that had some BO trouble at one point in his life and he was actually threatened with being arrested if he didn't put on a 'clean shirt' before boarding (needless to say that the new shirt didn't help much).
Because I hate it when people start talking on their cellphone in a theater during a feature presentation!
There oughta be a LAW .....
Yep, it's about that stupid. Theaters have done just fine throwing people out of movies without the help of legislation for many decades.
You know how I deal with flying? Vicodin & Xanax
If there is a problem with voice calls bothering other people on a plane, why does the airline provide phones built into the seats. How does that differ from me using my cell phone? Oh yeah, I have to pay the airline to use their phone.
And does this new law ban calls from the airline owed phones? Well, thay ARE voice calls, and the airline phones are moving at 600 MPH so I guess that qualifies them as mobile divices. :)
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Seriously, these are the same group of ppl that are telling NASA that they MUST build the SLS.
Likewise, that the DOD MUST build another 1000 M1A2 tanks, even though the DOD has 3000 of them and desperately wants to bring the line down for several years to make changes to the tank so that it can handle IEDs and other items.
And the same group of ppl that refuse to deal with our illegal alien issues.
And The same ones that built the NSA to spy on Americans and foreign leaders.
And the same group that destroyed America's economy back in 2005-7, leading to the global recession.
These GD neo-cons are destroying America.b
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Personally I cant stand the long adverts at insane volumes pushed down the PA system of planes. Loads of 'buy our gifts' and 'this is our hire car partner' sometimes in several languages so this can go on for 10 minutes. Why is it always blasted out at ear bleeding volume? I would prefer phones, at least then you can complain to the noisy person and at least have a theoretical chance of peace.
Why the bleeding shit does Congress *need* to do this? Why can't this be left up to the airlines as a business decision?
You can talk during a flight.
But if a microphone hears you, you're a criminal.
Genius.
Have you actually flown in the past twenty years? Has any policy that the airlines have implemented in that time due to 'common-sense' or 'common-courtesy'? Charging $100 for a second suitcase, is that common-sense? Paying for meals now-is that common courtesy? The ever shrinking size of seats so the airlines can fit in one more row-is that common-courtesy? Allowing pets in the cabin-is that common sense?
If you recall a while back the NSA was upset because calls made from planes were harder to listen in on. How is someone talking on the phone any worse than the two people next to you having a conversation or talking on the airline provided phone? Once again the media just plays along with a obvious lie.
How about adding old fashioned phone booths to airplanes? I can already see the Dr. Who episode...
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This has to be approved and/or actually pass to even get towards attempting to ban someone's phone from being used. Whether it is even legal or not at that point is going to likely fall on "not a legal bill", as the first amendment doesn't stop just because someone else doesn't like it - which is what sums up this bill.
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If you don't like it, don't fly with a bucket.
If the policy were per-airline or per-flight, then this huge number of people could simply click on the "exclude mobile-friendly flights" checkbox before searching for a flight to book and never be subjected to it.
Will never work. No more than you can legislate away hatred and bias.
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How can they allow government intervention? Freedom!!!
...so lets make a federal case out of it.
It is the law
For the life of me, I can't find anything about airplanes or phones in the Constitution. But then, I can't find Constitutional authority for 95% of the legislation that comes out of the swamp or for 99% of the federal bureaucracy. "Congress shall make no law...", "... shall not be infringed": ignored daily.
Look, I hate and despise people that are rude enough to use a phone on an airplane.
But when Republicans talk about unwarranted government intrusion on our lives, THIS is what they should mean. Not healthcare, not abortion, not welfare. THIS is exactly the kind of laws that our founders were afraid of.
We should not be making rude behavior, no matter how rude it is, a crime.
What is worse, the same effect could have been done in an ethical manner. Simply require that all phone calls be done next to but not in the bathroom. Or, if you want to make it a money maker, pass a law that requires airlines to collect a $5 per minute tax for phone calls made in flight - and allow the airlines to add their own fee on top of that, up to a maximum of $20 per minute.
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As a former "passenger of size" let's cue the inevitable 20 comments about how horrible it was when you had to sit next to a fat person, the last group of people you can still make fun of and be politically correct.
In this situation, they'd be throwing people out of an airplane. See the difference?
Seriously, is this really such a pressing thing that it needs to be done at the Federal level, really? If it's a problem, let the airlines create "non-voice communicating" sections in the airplane as a market differentiator and allow the people who want to quietly read tp opt into those areas. Maybe make them infant free zones as well.
Since most airlines have in-flight phones anyway these days?
Smokers have to go outside to indulge - just a thought.
If you read the article itself you will see that the bill actually bans voice communications through mobile electronics - not just phone calls. As written it would appear the bill would ban phones as well as skype, hangouts and other voice related calls. I suppose this cascades right over to video calls as well.
I find it rather questionable that just months after the FCC finally admitted that there was no reason to ban mobile electronics the "authorities" are once again making a move to regulate mobile electronics. It's not even based on a rationale reason, instead the reason has now become "because I don't like it". Makes one wonder if a constitutional argument can be made here based on freedom of speech - this seemingly is an infringement without justification. Not that Congress has ever cared about such things before.
What happens with all those phones installed on the backs of the seats in the older variants of planes? I flew last year and saw them, although it's not clear to me whether or not they have become decorative or still function.
You aren't supposed to use a phone in a theater. It's courtesy not to use a phone in lots of cases.. in the line while waiting for your sandwich, in a meeting or conference with lots of other people, etc.
Make a courtesy area that people are allowed to use their phone and make an airline rule that you can't use a phone and that is fine. Making it illegal because you think it's rude is ridiculous. What if there is an ACTUAL emergency. My parents aren't very good with text and they always know when I'm on a flight. If I got a call from them while I was flying it might be a life-or-death thing.
Your wife is 9 months pregnant and you get a call from her doctor, do you answer it?
I'm a frequent flyer with a global remit, in the last 6 weeks I've flown 70,000 miles. in an airport lounge as I type this.
while i agree in principle, how about just letting passengers make the calls in an old fashioned sound proof phone booth?
i avoid talking on phones where possible, use email for work and facebook / SMS to communicate with people.
not all flights are "a couple of hours" - there is a big world out there....
it didn't need to become a federal law. how about focusing on solving federal problems that are more pressing?
Because, after all, if you're in a plane (even if it's hijacked), you shouldn't be allowed to call 911 or your loved ones on your cell phone.
Every time I think Congress couldn't get any stupider, they prove me wrong.
... then you don't need to legislate it.
Thanks for handing over more power to your overlords, subjects.
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They want to get rid of Airplane Mode on phones ... so you can no longer turn the radio off on them.
Yes, you can take the battery out on some models, but not all. And likely an increasingly few as time goes on.
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Because of importanter-than-thou shitheads who fly MUST make this phone call RIGHT DAMN NOW DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM AND HOW MUCH I MAKE? For assholes like that, "policy" isn't enough, it needs to be law.
Fuck that guy, he can wait. Or, he can make calls from his office and fly overnight.
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My first thought was that they could never do that because then most of them would end up in jail. Then I remembered that they would be exempt like they always are, so my idea stands. I hate loud annoying phone callers in public places. However making a law against it is a horrible idea. (except from the standpoint of trying to make everyone a criminal, then its an amazing law) I have a better solution. Lets bring back the stocks at the town square and if you are an asshole on a plane and get voted off, then you have to voluntarily spend 4 hours in the stocks in order to regain the privilege of flying on a plane. Or something. People just suck. I want to take my kids and go to Europe before all the countries go bankrupt. But they are too young. There is no way I am subjecting 200 people to listening to my two 6 year olds go apeshit after 7 of the 11 hour flight. That's just rude and awful. But people will do it. I probably do a bunch of other things that annoy the hell out of people. Sorry for that. :)
And somehow we've managed to watch movies in peace for about a hundred years. Shocking.
Period.
Southwest, Delta and Jet Blue (at least) have done precisely that.
And somehow we've managed to watch movies in peace for about a hundred years. Shocking.
You're aware the movie sound comes over earphones, right?
Why the shock? Remember, the USA -is- a police state. If another country, say China, did this the American mainstream media would be totally against it. But now? ..not a peep.
Glenn Greenwald Says NSA, GCHQ Dismayed They Don't Have Access To In-Flight Internet Communication
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131228/15454925708/glenn-greenwald-says-nsa-gchq-dismayed-they-dont-have-access-to-in-flight-internet-communication.shtml
According to Greenwald, an upcoming story at his new venture will focus on one area the surveillance mesh has failed to cover -- one that's driving the NSA and GCHQ crazy.
He said he was working on a new story indicating that the NSA was “obsessed” by the idea that people could still use some Internet devices and mobile phones on airplanes without being recorded. “The very idea that human beings can communicate for even a few moments without their ability to monitor is intolerable.”
Why must it be a law? Shouldn't airlines be free to implement their "please don't talk other passengers' heads off" policy ?
Because the airlines will nickel, dime, quarter, and dollar you for the privilege of making that call, just like they've "dimed and dollared" you with fees for everything else. The (US) airline industry has shown—except for a few exceptions—that they don't care about customer comfort or courtesy.
Would it make more people learn ASL or to lip read?
I swear we're living in a dammed nanny state here. People can't politely ask people on a plane (where the ambient noise is 90db+ anyway) to keep it down, but would rather go whining for Congress to make a Law about it? We've been lied to all these years about why we're supposed to have cell phones off during flight, and if cell phones actually caused problems you'd have found flights with lots of Al-Quaida on them leaving their cell phones on... finally get rid of the lies, and people want to cling to their nanny's skirts. Get a life people, and grow a pair!
It's not common courtesy and it's not common sense -- now it's the law.
Look, I'm on the side of the commenters too. I don't want to be forced to sit on a plane and hear dozens of phone calls. I'd much prefer the silence.
But there's no way in hell that I want to obligate other people to not doing something just for my own convenience!
Laws weren't ever meant to make life easier or more convenient. Laws were meant to stop people from directly harming each other. I've zero interest in telling people what they should be doing in general. This is very much a generational issue "there must be a law or a rule to tell me how I ought to behave" is something right out of a religious text. I don't need help deciding how to behave. I don't want others to have that help either.
Welcome to today's infinite surveillance. It's the only way to enforce these kinds of behavioural restrictions.
Remember that part of the safety spiel regarding compliance with all "lighted signs, posted placards, and crewmember instructions "?
I'm pretty sure that only applies to health/safety stuff (seat belts, seat backs, tray tables, smoking), but if a legal change is really necessary, just add cell phone use to the list of things crewmembers can give you orders about.
Honestly, though, I think making piddly stuff like this illegal is an unnecessarily intrusive example of legislative zeal.
If the person sitting next to you on a plane is gabbing on their cellphone, just pull out a small notepad and pen and start taking notes. You might even turn to them and ask, "who are you talking to?" I would bet the person would very quickly end their call.
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Crap - my mod points expired yesterday or you'd be getting some from me.
I fly a lot and there is something about being on a plane that acts as sort of a social amplifier. If you're a nice guy in real life they tend to be nicer on planes (helping old ladies with their luggage, etc.). If you're an asshole in real life then you'll be a bigger asshole on a plane. You know the type...puts his computer bag in the overhead bin depriving a later passenger of a place to put their luggage. Reclines the seat all the way back...right into the lap of the person behind them.
It's bad enough sitting at the airport gate listening to some self-important, narcissistic asshole talk for hours on a cellphone loud enough for the whole damn airport to hear them. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit beside him on a plane for the next 3 hours. I'd club the motherfucker unconscious with my laptop and probably get a heroes welcome from the other passengers.
These are two different arguments. The FCC specifically regulates the airwaves and interferences they may cause with other airwaves. Their decision to approve or deny approval of cell phone usage should only be based on this. We all know that cell phones or pretty much any FCC regulated device does not harm the communications or navigations of an airplane. That is the only thing the FCC should be basing their opinion on. Why would they even ask the public for their opinion?
The government regulating usage is a whole different thing. Airlines are private, they should have the right to form their own rules. If a particular airline bans cell phone usage, so be it. Maybe I will pick that airline because I don't want to be bothered. Maybe I will pick the one that allows phones because I want to chat my whole trip.
All of the above considered... people DO NOT TALK on their phones anymore. They txt and scroll through Facebook/Twitter/Pinterest etc. The people that are fighting to ban phones because they think they may be bothered by people talking are really just shooting themselves in the the foot. Let people have their phones and they will site contently staring at them without making a noise.
Why do we need a law to tell us not to do something that is not possible to do? Oh wait, then the government would be out of a job.
cologne is banned in many places already, and if you are so stinky people complain you may be asked to wash....
what is this, a beta version?
Because, after all, if you're in a plane (even if it's hijacked), you shouldn't be allowed to call 911 or your loved ones on your cell phone.
Every time I think Congress couldn't get any stupider, they prove me wrong.
Erm exceptions that prove the rule.
In a hijack scenario, no-one gives a crap if you've used your phone. However if you're not being hijacked everyone cares about not hearing your inane yammering to your equally vapid friends.
It may not occur to you, but laws are not rock solid things that can never be broken, ever. Laws are actually quite flexible things, even when something is expressly verboten under ordinary circumstances can be broken with little to no consequence under extraordinary circumstances. To elaborate (in Australia) you can hit and run (with a car) if you can demonstrate your life was in danger and you had no other avenue of escape, you'll still go to court but you'll leave a free person. This is why we have courts, judges and lawyers instead of having summary punishments with no appeals. In fact if the lawyers didn't fill this very valuable role in our societies we would have burned them at the stake long ago.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Ok, once again. Why does it need to be a law? You've just mentioned some reasons why it's unpleasant and that a lot of people don't like the behavior.
He can also get audience participation with his cell phone call. That ought to show the listener(s) on the other end, just how pro he is.
Given that everyone picks their airline based on price and price alone, this absolutely make sense. You get what you pay for.
If they allowed voice calls i would literally never get on an airplane again...It is already about my least favorite thing, being 6'2" and about 220~lbs doesn't make the tiny excuse for seats on airplanes seem that great..
now if they could ban voice calls any place in public (but I'd settle for coffee shops) that would be super.
Let's criminalize things other people do that we don't like but which don't deprive us of life, property, or liberty. Then tomorrow, let's bitch and whine about the NSA and the growing police state! Yeah, isn't cognitive dissonance a wonderful thing!
WTF dude! You are supposed to be boycotting this week and yet here you are running your cocksucker!
Most comments here seem to be opposed to the ban, but the majority of the public are in favor of it, so the Congress is just representing them in passing this. I would prefer to let the airlines set their own rules and let the market work, but I'm giving a devil's advocate position to all the libertarian comments here.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
I guess all those skyphone and cellphone calls from the doomed jets on 9-11 were illegal then (and soon to be now). What insensitive jerks they must have been in the eyes of the law.
As annoying as people blabbering on their phones can be, his shouldn't be a law.
With a law like this, an airline can't decide to have two options - one with phone calls allowed, and one without. Like with smoking in the old days, you could smoke in one area, not in another (not sure about planes, but on trains there were doors (sometimes two doors) between these areas).
If I owned an airline (yeah right), I would make the cellphones allowed option the expensive one? Why, the quiet one is usually expensive, with the cattle class being cheap? Because when a person selects the no cellphone option, and starts blabbering on his phone anyway, the stewardess won't have to keep telling him to turn his phone off. She just needs to remind him of the $100 extra for being allowed to use his cellphone, and he will turn it off right away.
Thank god. The last thing I need is to be sitting next to a moron that thinks since the person on the other end of the phone is far away he has to yell into the phone to be heard. Cell phones have no business on a plane, bus, train or car.
wow, you're an asshole.
The more time they spend on bullshit like this, the less time they have to screw up the important things
Moot point, and pointless bill.
It is like banning cellphone usage at the bottom of the ocean because it might interfere with submersibles (which it doesn't anyway). Sure you can do it, but how much reception do you think you are going to get at 5000ft below sea level? (I actually don't really know if someone wants to tell me)
However I do know how much cell reception you are going to get at 30,000 ft over an ocean flying at 600km/h. Which is specifically, none, or not much in slightly better situations. Cell signals are meant to be sent more less horizontally, not really up or down, and generally at speeds much lower, and typically follow population centers and roads, which planes may not.
About the only phone you might be able to use is a satellite phone, which is actually what the airlines use for your in flight calls if available or in flight wifi, which is why you pay so much, as it is expensive and available bandwidth is low.
If they are trying to prevent people from using cell phones the last minute prior to landing in a city, I don't see how you need a specific bill for that anyway.
Also if they are so fscking dangerous, how the fsck do I get to keep my phone and bring it on the plane when the TSA type goons are going to steal my toenail clippers?
You have people who disobey safety instructions and wander about the cabin when the plane is pitching and rolling, even with "Federal Law compels you to comply with all flight attendant instructions...." and you expect people to not talk because a 5'2 flight attendant asked nicely? Never gonna happen.
This is an example of "what's great for me sucks for you". For that shithead on the phone, s/he's breaking up the monotony of the flight and lack of blood flow to the legs with a fun phone call. It just hurts and annoys everyone else. Do you think at that point after being jammed into the middle seat with a seat reclining into his lap the caller is gonna care that the nice flight attendant calmly told them to knock it off?
Won't happen. Even with the Federal Law thing you'll still have people that try. And for someone who takes public transportation with "quiet cars" that depend on civility between people that is often ignored, I've seen a couple near fights on a 45 minute train ride with relatively (to airplanes) large and comfortable seats, fresh air, and the ability to walk around any time. How many fights do you think there will be on a 8 hour overland flight with Cell coverage? My body clock says it's midnight, time to sleep. This caller's clock say's it's 8AM, time for work. Do you think he's gonna back off? Do you think the cranky sleepy guy is gonna back off?
For those that say "let the market decide" this is preventing literal fistfights in the air where you'd probably need to vector 25% of those fight flights off to other airports, totally disrupting the web of flights that make up air travel today.
What a stupid short sighted thing..
All about being paid.
No you shouldn't use your cell phone in a plane. But it should not be against the law.
Remember 9/11 That last plane that crashed in the field was because of cell phones. The people on board called for help after the hijacking. And found about about the others. They then decided to fight back and crash the plane in a filed where others wouldn't get hurt.
If you ban calls the airlines will install blockers on the planes.
Then you can't call for help. The cockpit can turn off the phones.
Most planes have a phone system you have to pay an insane price to use. Thats what it;s about.
The only bad thing about using your phone on a plane is it will get hotter then normal and your batt won't last as long.
In a plane you will be at least 4 miles from a tower. That makes the phone work harder. There is nothing dangerous about it. The built in phone has a bigger antenna and direct power.
This is all about money. The airlines want it. Stupid people don't understand. and the gov is being bought as normal.
The only reason for the complaints is from people being rude.
Outlawing rudeness is a bad route.
If I ever find a cell blocker on a plane I'm never flying that company again.
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currently some municipalities ban cell phones on public ground transport. these bans establish legal precedent for banning cell phones on airplanes. this is not a first amendment issue because the ban does not target content but is a time place manner restriction.
the key question in this case is what is reasonable; and can a reasonable distinction be made between talking on a cell phone and in person conversations?
I would argue that people tend to speak louder on their cell phones than when having a normal conversation. I base this on the fact that cell phone usage is currently one of the top rider complaints on all public ground transportation in the USA.
since this is true and since texting or email is a reasonable alternative, I feel this bill should have no constitutional barrier to passage.
Makes perfect sense to me!
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(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
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(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
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ROTFLMAO @ "Chumpy" -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
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P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk
ROTFLMAO @ "Chumpy" -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk