ITAR effects IP transfer. It has zero impact on commercial sats, other than it limits them to US, Europe and Russia. Basically, the only nation cut out is China (well, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc).
true, but then the enemy can spot you fueling them and attack.
IOW, hydrolox has NO use to a military ICBM. THis is more true because India DOES have the solid fuel motors. Easy enough to build true ICBMs with those and the enemy will never know until the launch.
USA was not listening in on those lines from inside of Germany. We only listened in on long distance calls.
So, again I ask you, what laws did America break from inside of any nation?
actually, I prefer gov. spying on each other. The reason why is because politicians are LIARS. They will lie about what is happening. Sometimes that make wild claims that without spying leads other national leaders to take risks that they should not.
Back in the cold war, do you recall that we almost ended up in WWIII with the Cuban Missile Crisis? What caused that was USSR's lying about a number of things and then our spies caught them at it. However, USSR continued to lie and when we allowed their spies to see how serious we were (USSR thought that we were going to back down), then and only then, did USSR back down.
The West/East cold war almost went hot multiple times, but was stopped because spying allowed each side to know ROUGHLY how far they were going. Spying allowed each side to remain equal.
And even today, had more nations spied on Iraq, than just US, we could NEVER have attacked them the way that we did. W/neo-cons lied through their teeth about Iraq's WMDs. It was known that Iraq HAD HAD WMDs, but that time was gone.
No, spying is the backdoor to open communications that our gov. need. It is the great equalizer that prevents nations from going to war. It is the lack of decent spying that allowed Iraq. That is why US and UK are working with agencies in Germany and France to bring them up to speed. We need them to find out more information about other nations. And yes, US is working with them as well.
spot on, though I have say, that I am glad that his peers lost their jobs. They should have known better than to give up ANY OF THEIR CREDENTIALS TO ANYBODY. In the spy world, the norm is that you trust NO ONE.
no, you do NOT know what they have. They show edges, nothing more. He ASSUMED before he went in. ppl who work at TLA's, except at the top end, generally do NOT know what each capabilities there are. Snowden had NO IDEA of what was in the NSA when he went there. That is why he became a traitor. He had already decided to be a traitor before he applied there.
exactly. This helped India. Basically, by developing it, you have had mishaps, BUT, you know what works and what does not. More importantly, you have a whole new industry. This gives India a chance to compete against China.
we were already out of the commercial sat launch business 10 years ago. Europe and Russia has owned it for the last 10 years. Heck, we started to launch with China in late 90's, since the US industry was so decimated.
So, no. this had NOTHING to do with the sat launch.
Besides, USA is about to get 100% of the free-choice market. The reason is that SpaceX will cost below 1/10 or more of the costs of any other system.
false. We stopped the hydrolox transfer. That is of NO USE to an ICBM system. Instead, you need solid fuels for that, which India has. And the blocking of the tech stopped some 10 years ago.
no, the US did in fact block Russia from helping India on this. Two reasons why Russia complied:
1) part of Russia's hydrolox engines come from USA, IOW, we had some legal tie-ups on it; think of USA giving up the tech for RD-180.
2) US was supporting Russia esp. their space program.
LOL. Until SpaceX, US has been out of the Commercial sat business for over a decade. Europe and Russia nuked us on that.
SpaceX will bring all future launches to US, BUT, for the last 15 years, it has been nothing.
it is a HUGE one. From the CIA, he could not access all of the NSA's system. He made a conscious decision to switch to NSA to steal documents, per his own words.
The ONLY thing that was shown to be true was when the NSA outed ESA/Airbus for large illegal bribes to saudi officials (direct kickbacks in the 10's of millions) to sell their aircrafts in 2000. And nothing flowed to Boeing because of that. It was simply outed for ALL TO SEE. More importantly, that is because we were watching the Saudi officials, not airbus. In fact, I suspect that EADS/Airbus continues to bribe all sorts of nations for their aircrafts,
I agree with you. In fact, I support building keystone pipeline, taxing the oil that flows through it and using that tax to subsidize new nat gas and electric vehicles. Why? To get us out of importing oil from the middle east and venezuela.
Likewise, we need to help Europe, Japan, and South Korea get out of importing oil from the middle east. Then and only then will AQ fall.
BUT, we have to deal with the fact that it will not happen overnight AND deal with the fact that AQ WILL attack again and again.
-I side with the US because the US is the only remaining real Western power.
You were doing just fine until that line. All of western, and even parts of eastern, europe are VERY real western powers. So, is Canada and Australia.
And Ukraine is a different issue. The ppl of Ukraine voted in what they considered to be the lesser evil and now have issues.
We kind of did the same thing in 2000.
I am sorry, but what illegal activities have we done outside of the US? What American laws or even UN treaties, has the US broke WRT spying on other nations?
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ITAR effects IP transfer. It has zero impact on commercial sats, other than it limits them to US, Europe and Russia. Basically, the only nation cut out is China (well, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc).
Really? How did we try to fuck over the competition?
true, but then the enemy can spot you fueling them and attack.
IOW, hydrolox has NO use to a military ICBM. THis is more true because India DOES have the solid fuel motors. Easy enough to build true ICBMs with those and the enemy will never know until the launch.
Ok, what time frame was it. I googled and did NOT find it. BUT, perhaps you can.
USA was not listening in on those lines from inside of Germany. We only listened in on long distance calls.
So, again I ask you, what laws did America break from inside of any nation?
oh fuck. I missed that one. Thank you. Hmmmm. I may have to re-think some of my postings.
actually, I prefer gov. spying on each other. The reason why is because politicians are LIARS. They will lie about what is happening. Sometimes that make wild claims that without spying leads other national leaders to take risks that they should not.
Back in the cold war, do you recall that we almost ended up in WWIII with the Cuban Missile Crisis? What caused that was USSR's lying about a number of things and then our spies caught them at it. However, USSR continued to lie and when we allowed their spies to see how serious we were (USSR thought that we were going to back down), then and only then, did USSR back down.
The West/East cold war almost went hot multiple times, but was stopped because spying allowed each side to know ROUGHLY how far they were going. Spying allowed each side to remain equal.
And even today, had more nations spied on Iraq, than just US, we could NEVER have attacked them the way that we did. W/neo-cons lied through their teeth about Iraq's WMDs. It was known that Iraq HAD HAD WMDs, but that time was gone.
No, spying is the backdoor to open communications that our gov. need. It is the great equalizer that prevents nations from going to war. It is the lack of decent spying that allowed Iraq. That is why US and UK are working with agencies in Germany and France to bring them up to speed. We need them to find out more information about other nations. And yes, US is working with them as well.
Ok, what nation's laws did we break inside of their nation?
spot on, though I have say, that I am glad that his peers lost their jobs. They should have known better than to give up ANY OF THEIR CREDENTIALS TO ANYBODY. In the spy world, the norm is that you trust NO ONE.
no, you do NOT know what they have. They show edges, nothing more. He ASSUMED before he went in. ppl who work at TLA's, except at the top end, generally do NOT know what each capabilities there are. Snowden had NO IDEA of what was in the NSA when he went there. That is why he became a traitor. He had already decided to be a traitor before he applied there.
are you implying that this is based on stolen US design, or that US gripes too much about thefts?
ouch. That is an interesting thought. I had not considered that one. And the fact is, that you bring up one heck of a good point.
that is only because India is so heavily manipulating their money. That is why they are suffering 10% inflation.
exactly. This helped India. Basically, by developing it, you have had mishaps, BUT, you know what works and what does not. More importantly, you have a whole new industry. This gives India a chance to compete against China.
we were already out of the commercial sat launch business 10 years ago. Europe and Russia has owned it for the last 10 years. Heck, we started to launch with China in late 90's, since the US industry was so decimated.
So, no. this had NOTHING to do with the sat launch.
Besides, USA is about to get 100% of the free-choice market. The reason is that SpaceX will cost below 1/10 or more of the costs of any other system.
false. We stopped the hydrolox transfer. That is of NO USE to an ICBM system. Instead, you need solid fuels for that, which India has. And the blocking of the tech stopped some 10 years ago.
no, the US did in fact block Russia from helping India on this. Two reasons why Russia complied:
1) part of Russia's hydrolox engines come from USA, IOW, we had some legal tie-ups on it; think of USA giving up the tech for RD-180.
2) US was supporting Russia esp. their space program.
LOL. Until SpaceX, US has been out of the Commercial sat business for over a decade. Europe and Russia nuked us on that.
SpaceX will bring all future launches to US, BUT, for the last 15 years, it has been nothing.
IOW, no, that had no impact on our policy.
So, you think that American bases are gone from Saudi Arabia? Really?
And that was NOT the reason why he attacks the entire west (if not the world).
it is a HUGE one. From the CIA, he could not access all of the NSA's system. He made a conscious decision to switch to NSA to steal documents, per his own words.
ok, what NSA do to you?
The ONLY thing that was shown to be true was when the NSA outed ESA/Airbus for large illegal bribes to saudi officials (direct kickbacks in the 10's of millions) to sell their aircrafts in 2000. And nothing flowed to Boeing because of that. It was simply outed for ALL TO SEE. More importantly, that is because we were watching the Saudi officials, not airbus. In fact, I suspect that EADS/Airbus continues to bribe all sorts of nations for their aircrafts,
I agree with you. In fact, I support building keystone pipeline, taxing the oil that flows through it and using that tax to subsidize new nat gas and electric vehicles. Why? To get us out of importing oil from the middle east and venezuela.
Likewise, we need to help Europe, Japan, and South Korea get out of importing oil from the middle east. Then and only then will AQ fall.
BUT, we have to deal with the fact that it will not happen overnight AND deal with the fact that AQ WILL attack again and again.
-I side with the US because the US is the only remaining real Western power.
You were doing just fine until that line. All of western, and even parts of eastern, europe are VERY real western powers. So, is Canada and Australia.
And Ukraine is a different issue. The ppl of Ukraine voted in what they considered to be the lesser evil and now have issues.
We kind of did the same thing in 2000.
I am sorry, but what illegal activities have we done outside of the US? What American laws or even UN treaties, has the US broke WRT spying on other nations?