That is why I suggest that we tax ALL GOODS that we consume.
First off, it forces all nations to participate. This is key. The idea of treating all nations differently, is allowing businesses to control the situation.
Secondly, it needs to be based on REAL data, not fake data. As such, it should be done by sats looking downward and tracking CO2 (and any other GHG possible) that flows into a nation, as well as out.
Third, it should be based on emissions / $ of GDP. Note that it must be real $ of GDP, not $ of GDP (PPP). The later is a calculation that will allow a nation like CHina or India to devalue their money, and make things appear better. So, by making it real $ of GDP, then if they increase the value of their money, it will allow more pollution, but hurt them on the costs of the good.
Fourth, the tax needs to start low and continue upwards over a period of time. Most importantly, it must be known that it will increase.
Fifth, there should be a costs for distance. After all, there is a real pollution costs on this.
Finally, it needs to be not just to the good, but to the parts as well (which makes this harder).
We need to give societies time to do the right things, but to make sure that ALL of their long range planning is the right way. The issue is not who did the pollution over time. The issue is who is doing the pollution NOW. In the past, nobody knew. Now, we all know. Heck, one of the issue with Kyoto was that we wanted the west to be back to mid 90's level. America did not join kyoto, yet, we are now at early 90's levels and dropping. BUT, this will not matter while nations like CHina double. And obviously, watching Germany and Japan walk away from nuke power plants is going to make things harder. And the logic that other nations should be allowed to pollute when they KNOW the situation is the wrong answer.
The fact that China has had 80% of their electricty come from coal for the last 20 years AND that they plan to continue that trend, says that they are doing little to NOTHING.
In fact, the majority of money that has been spent on solar and wind has been about stealing the manufacturing from the west and gutting them.
And was I showed earlier, that is a total BS study. It picks data from 1906-2005. Yet, since 2005, America has cut our emissions clear back to early 1990's level, while China is doubled and is now emitting 1/3 of the CO2 emissions (and that does not include the rest of GHG which emits even more).
BTW, the manufacturing of products for the west is a joke. The fact is, that China is doing this not to feed their nation, but as part of a cold war. But the real issue is that China is doing it as cheaply as possible, as quickly as possible, and without a care in the world about the true costs. That is why their nation is only partially capitalist.
lets try again on this. China is NOT building much in way of renewable. In fact, coal has been 78-80% of their electricity for over 20 years. In fact, China's plan is to have 80% of their NEW power plants for the next 10 years will run coal. They are stepping up the nat. gas plants, but almost all of that will come from coal=>methane via a very inefficient process.
Now, China is talking about more AE and nukes, but only if they produce them. They do not want them, unless they own the technology.
This is a dangerous approach.
But, it all gets worse. They have scrubbers on these plants, but they do NOT run them. Why? Because it increases the costs of the electricity. So, they will not do so.
One last thing. I have an ex-gf that does air monitoring. Her group went to China and was allowed to monitor anywhere around the nation, except that they could NOT write up about it. Basically, the data was to be turned over to Chinese gov. This was done without any gov. interference. Normally, when environmental scientists come in, Chinese gov. will play with output to control the results. Turns out that things are MUCH worse than is generally known. All of those SWAGS that everybody is doing is based on honesty by govs. China is apparently NOT being honest.
the reason is that they have outsourced their IT to India. So, now, you have 200 IT making $10K/year, who are not very well educated, and are not strong coders. They work for a company that employs ~250 ppl who have NO loyalty to a foreign company. After all, they have NO shops in India. Along comes somebody from Russia or China and offers just 1 person $100-200K to release a virus on the network. That money will set that person's extend family up for 5-10 years. And if that coder uses it just for his/her immediate family, they retire.
Now, to really make this interesting, they installed other trojans at the same time that it was spreading. If the systems are not all replaced in roughly the same time frame, then the trojans can simply move around. And in a couple of years, they can then re-start things up.
As long as America uses Windows for POSs, Mag stripe cards and outsources their work, they will continue to get ripped off.
exactly. Heck, they are now about to convert coal into methane. Interestingly, they have already indicated that they will simply dump the CO2 and other pollutants into the air. The reason why China is doing this is to move their pollution from being by the cities to being in the rural area to the west. So, now, they will rain a LOT more mercury, lead, uranium, etc onto their crops.
With the tax, it would be possible to get every nation to take long-term steps rather than short-term like most of BRICS is doing.
The question is not one of morals when it comes to GDP vs. sq acres vs capita. It is a question of what CAUSES the CO2. China has had a fairly stable population for the last 20 years. Yet, their emissions has doubled. Why? Because it is tied to their GDP. The same is true of EVERY nation.
The idea of tying CO2 emissions to per capitia explains why idiots like you are causing this nightmare. You scream that it should be per capitia without understanding that emissions are NOT tied to ppl. They are tied manufacturing. Simple as that. Yet, you idiots will block nuke power, scream that the largest emitter of greenhouse is good, and then scream that the nation that has droppped the most over the last 5 years, is total scum.
In the end, if we give over the edge, it will not be due to the idiots in the tea* or neo-cons that scream that climate change is not happening. It will be due to idiots like you that scream that you want it it your way, without any logic behind it.
not fuels. GOODS.
By taxing all goods that we consume, then it puts all nations on an equal footing. And once we start taxing our own products, local companies will push local govs/utilities to change their ways.
no, it is not. China has one of the WORST emission / $GDP. Over the last 5 years, they have improved and managed to move from the 3rd from the bottom up to 7 from the bottom. Note that America is around the middle so, around 90 from the bottom.
I agree. In fact, for the last 6 years, America has dropped our emissions to early 1990 levels. OTOH, China has DOUBLED theirs (which is why they are at 33% of all CO2 emissions).
AE can help, but it can NOT replace it all. We need nukes, esp. thorium. It is insane to not have it.
But, I will say that greenpeace and others on the far left are fucking up, by choosing to ignore BRIC and other nations, thinking that they will simply stop their emissions, or that these are cleaner. Nothing could be further from the truth. These nations will continue to increase, and these new plants will exists for more than 60 years. Even if the west stops 100% of our emissions, BRIC nation will continue to grow and this will continue.
Read how that was done.
First, it is supposed to be based on historical data from 1906-2005. It is not based on previous data or on CURRENT data.
IT'S a chart that no one wants to top, but global warming's worst offenders, in absolute terms, are the US, China, Russia, Brazil, India, Germany and the UK. New calculations suggest that these nations are responsible for more than 60 per cent of the global warming between 1906 and 2005.
Basically, they cherry picked a small period of time. The fact that they stopped at 2005 is even more telling. Since 2005, US's emissions have dropped, while ALL of BRICS have gone way up.
Heck, here is a better map that shows more CURRENT data. It came from CO2. In this case, it shows 2008's. What is truely wicked is that China has been going up 10-15% EACH YEAR for the last 10 years.
Secondly, Europe out did America in coal emissions for centuries. In fact, they emitted more CO2 UNTIL 1998 when suddenly, they started downwards. In fact, even the UK says that they are the global historical cause of climate change.
Third, check out the following 2 reports: Here and
Here.
What do you see?
That the west, esp. USA, is dropping their emissions, but china alone, emits more each year that destroys those savings. IOW, China is increasing faster than what the entire west can cut. This does NOT include other nations.
So, if you really were the least bit honest, you will get off the high horse and realize that we are in this together. Either all nations work together on this, or we all sink. And if USA takes the same approach that EU took, it will actually RAISE emissions, not lower them. It is EU's racism against China that keeps them from moving more work to there. And sadly, American businesses have taken a non-responsibility approach to issues, so they go on over to China, while ignoring the fact that China is cheating on everything.
Look, the west is working on lowering their emissions.
However, China alone emits over 1/3 of all CO2 emissions. Worse, by 2020, they will account for over 1/2 assuming that no other nation lowers theirs (and if other nations lower theirs, then it will probably be around 2017). In addition, the rest of BRICS are busy increasing their emissions.
And with kyoto and other nations trying to tie emissions to individuals, rather than to GDP, this will continue to happen. The only way to stop this is to have ALL NATIONS lower their emissions at the same time. In addition, it needs to be tied to GDP, rather than per capitia. Finally, it needs to be based on empirical data, not SWAGs.
And the only way to make sure that ALL nations work on bringing emissions down is for nations to tax all consumed goods, local and imported, with a tax based on where the good and its parts come from. In addition, ideally, it would include something for the transportation of the item.
I don't think we are talking about Computer Science. There are three universities in Russia (1 in Moscow and 2 in St. Petersburg) that are all better in Computer Science than any university in US.
These 3 years are where everything comes together.
Starting this year, VG will start flying Scaled's SS2 for sub-orbital flights. Within 2 years after that, 2 more crafts (xcor and Blue Horizon's) will join up and offer competition. That will drive prices down to 100K for all 3 companies.
Then from 2015-2017, 3 companies will fly humans commercially to orbital; SpaceX's Dragon Rider will be first in 2015. Then the next one will be Boeing's CST-100 in 2016, and SNC's DC will be either 2016 or 2017. However, multiple comments here speak about the atlas not being human rated and do not realize that part of Boeing's money for CST-100 is to human rate Atlas. BUT, supposedly, CST-100 AND DC will be allowed to be mated to either Atlas OR F9. And yes, the F9 can fly the DC.
BUT, what is missing on the orbital flights is that few ppl are going to pay 20 million to orbit earth a few days in a tin can. Instead, these will be used to transport to a space Station. ISS, at least on the western side, is not allowed commercial flights for tourism. So, where will these ppl fly? To Bigelow Aerospace's Space Stations. BA will start building it next year IFF SpaceX gets dragon rider flying with humans. It will take just several flights to assemble a space station that has more volume than the ISS. So, starting in 2016, multiple nations are looking to be on BA's alpha. In addition, it is very likely that there will be tourists on-board. First the first year or two, it will likely costs $30 million / person for 1-2 months. BUT, by 2017, SpaceX will have re-usable first stage, which will drop this price to about $15M. Or 30 million for 6 months or more.
Basically, 2014 is the START of commercial space and VG will make big headlines for their first flight.
But it will take 3-4 years to move from sub-orbital to full orbital and everybody looking towards the moon by 2020, and mars by 2025.
First, the pyroclastic flow (superheated gas and ash) would play havoc with the western half of the U.S.:
It would kill all life within roughly a 300 mile radius, in a matter of minutes.
It would most likely melt or incinerate anything with a boiling point equal to or less than that of iron.
After about 300 miles the heat would gradually start dying out, leaving people alive, but suffering first, second, and third degree burns.
About that time, the shockwave should hit. There's really no way to predict what kind of damage will happen, but it will likely leave almost anyone in the western half of the U.S. deafened, or with severely damaged hearing. Ironically, this will be the least of the troubles, because...
Though the gas has cooled enough to only scald people, for the remainder of the roughly 600 mile radius, people will have to also deal with their air being poisoned and acidic. Those not killed outright will soon have a very bad day, however, because...
The next effect will primarily cover twice the 600 mile radius in ash, most likely in an eliptical pattern to follow windflows, up to about 4 meters. A good portion of this ash will also come from the previously incinerated landscape. Those not killed by heat, poison, and acid, will now find breathing and moving extremely difficult as they wade through a 12-foot sea of fine powder.
Global Effects would be felt the same day and continue to worsen for the next 3-14 days, depending on the weather patterns. The would include things like.
Little, if any, government assistance. The largest disaster FEMA has ever had to face is 9/11, which stretched their resources to the limit. The affected area of the supervolcano is an estimated 10 million times greater than that of 9/11. To date, FEMA does not have a contingency plan for a disaster on the scale of a supervolcano. Though they have shown an interest in developing one, it is doubtful they will ever have the resources capable of dealing with such an event. So you might want to be prepared, either with supplies, with guns, and/or with your god.
Another problem that will have to be dealt with is the gas sulphur dioxide which forms sulphuric acid when it gets into the stratosphere. This has two main effects, one is blotting out the sun, the other is, of course, sulfuric acid rain.
Within a day or so, temperatures would plummet 15-20 degrees, on average, across the globe. While this wouldn't exactly cause the end of the world, it is likely to turn many temperate climates into arctic ones. Strangely, the greatest differences would be in the southern hemisphere, though thanks to the normally high temperature, it would probably make them a cool average of 72-degrees year-round, thus remove San Diego's monopoly on such temperatures.
Since most foodcrops depend upon a particular temperature and sunlight range, and most foodcrops are grown in temperate climates, and the breadbasket of the U.S. will be under a 12-foot layer of ash, and the damage to global infrastructure, one can expect that a lot of people will starve--roughly 1 billion, at best estimates.
Travel using engines would be severely limited for a while, though the time and location would depend largely on the ashfall. The enormous amount of particulates in the air would not only impair visibility on an unprecedented scale, but also clog air filters within a very short amount of time.
Anyone with breathing problems or allergies can count on a miserable life. Those with perfectly healthy lungs can count on developing breathing problems and allergies.
Most of North America would become uninhabitable until the ash had been beaten down by the acid rain, and hardened enough to walk on. Even then, the poisons within the ash, the topsoil covered with volcanic roc
yellowstone will wipe out what is south and EAST of it. draw a radius of 700-1000 miles from northeast to the south. IOW, all the way to the miss would be gone. And the east coast would be in DEEP trouble, so to speak. Loads of fly ash. And no sun for several years at best. In fact, the best place to be would be the west coast, or southern hemisphere. Because most of the north's bread basket will be gone. So will the trees, etc.
In a nutshell, India is dropping their ruppe to the dollars to scam some jobs from the west, BUT, not enough is flowing there anymore. Now, they are allowing CHinese goods to flow in there, who is manipulating their money relative to India, and making theirs dirt cheap.
Unless India changes SOON, they will see rising inflation, combined with lose of work. For 3rd world nations, that typically leads to a different situation: civil war.
India was NOT competition. We did not want some of OUR technology that Russia had to go to India. It would be like US giving information about RD-180 to your nation. Yes, part of Russia's tech for hydrolox comes from USA, not from themselves.
poppycock.
You obviously do not have a clue about ITAR or the implications, but just mouth BS that others have wildly claimed.
Non-American aerospace companies wanted the ability to launch on Chinese launchers. However, they were not allowed to use American know-how to do so. That is what lead the french to create a new company that is devoted to that. Good luck to them now that SpaceX is going to be a fraction of the costs of Chinese launchers. And if China decides to subsidize, then hopefully, SpaceX will scream quickly about it.
But to claim that ITAR will block companies from building sats is a joke.
Yes, that was about Boeing Spying on L-Mart by hiring one of their execs who brought over large quantities of data about L-Mart.
that is what created ULA.
Boeing has done no spying on Airbus, EADs, etc.
OTOH, NSA HAS picked up Airbus doing loads of bribes all over the world, but that is when they NSA is listening in on foreign (i.e. non-western ) govs.
historical external funding sources such as drug running and arms trading
Ok, that is a new accusation that I have never heard of. Please show me where Boeing has external funding source from illegal activities.
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That is why I suggest that we tax ALL GOODS that we consume.
First off, it forces all nations to participate. This is key. The idea of treating all nations differently, is allowing businesses to control the situation.
Secondly, it needs to be based on REAL data, not fake data. As such, it should be done by sats looking downward and tracking CO2 (and any other GHG possible) that flows into a nation, as well as out.
Third, it should be based on emissions / $ of GDP. Note that it must be real $ of GDP, not $ of GDP (PPP). The later is a calculation that will allow a nation like CHina or India to devalue their money, and make things appear better. So, by making it real $ of GDP, then if they increase the value of their money, it will allow more pollution, but hurt them on the costs of the good.
Fourth, the tax needs to start low and continue upwards over a period of time. Most importantly, it must be known that it will increase.
Fifth, there should be a costs for distance. After all, there is a real pollution costs on this.
Finally, it needs to be not just to the good, but to the parts as well (which makes this harder).
We need to give societies time to do the right things, but to make sure that ALL of their long range planning is the right way. The issue is not who did the pollution over time. The issue is who is doing the pollution NOW. In the past, nobody knew. Now, we all know. Heck, one of the issue with Kyoto was that we wanted the west to be back to mid 90's level. America did not join kyoto, yet, we are now at early 90's levels and dropping. BUT, this will not matter while nations like CHina double. And obviously, watching Germany and Japan walk away from nuke power plants is going to make things harder. And the logic that other nations should be allowed to pollute when they KNOW the situation is the wrong answer.
The fact that China has had 80% of their electricty come from coal for the last 20 years AND that they plan to continue that trend, says that they are doing little to NOTHING.
In fact, the majority of money that has been spent on solar and wind has been about stealing the manufacturing from the west and gutting them.
And was I showed earlier, that is a total BS study. It picks data from 1906-2005. Yet, since 2005, America has cut our emissions clear back to early 1990's level, while China is doubled and is now emitting 1/3 of the CO2 emissions (and that does not include the rest of GHG which emits even more).
BTW, the manufacturing of products for the west is a joke. The fact is, that China is doing this not to feed their nation, but as part of a cold war. But the real issue is that China is doing it as cheaply as possible, as quickly as possible, and without a care in the world about the true costs. That is why their nation is only partially capitalist.
lets try again on this.
China is NOT building much in way of renewable. In fact, coal has been 78-80% of their electricity for over 20 years.
In fact, China's plan is to have 80% of their NEW power plants for the next 10 years will run coal. They are stepping up the nat. gas plants, but almost all of that will come from coal=>methane via a very inefficient process.
Now, China is talking about more AE and nukes, but only if they produce them. They do not want them, unless they own the technology.
This is a dangerous approach.
But, it all gets worse. They have scrubbers on these plants, but they do NOT run them. Why? Because it increases the costs of the electricity. So, they will not do so.
One last thing. I have an ex-gf that does air monitoring. Her group went to China and was allowed to monitor anywhere around the nation, except that they could NOT write up about it. Basically, the data was to be turned over to Chinese gov. This was done without any gov. interference. Normally, when environmental scientists come in, Chinese gov. will play with output to control the results. Turns out that things are MUCH worse than is generally known. All of those SWAGS that everybody is doing is based on honesty by govs. China is apparently NOT being honest.
the reason is that they have outsourced their IT to India. So, now, you have 200 IT making $10K/year, who are not very well educated, and are not strong coders. They work for a company that employs ~250 ppl who have NO loyalty to a foreign company. After all, they have NO shops in India. Along comes somebody from Russia or China and offers just 1 person $100-200K to release a virus on the network. That money will set that person's extend family up for 5-10 years. And if that coder uses it just for his/her immediate family, they retire.
Now, to really make this interesting, they installed other trojans at the same time that it was spreading. If the systems are not all replaced in roughly the same time frame, then the trojans can simply move around. And in a couple of years, they can then re-start things up.
As long as America uses Windows for POSs, Mag stripe cards and outsources their work, they will continue to get ripped off.
BTW, you really need to google for 'wiki GDP'. You obviously have no clue of what you are talking about.
exactly. Heck, they are now about to convert coal into methane. Interestingly, they have already indicated that they will simply dump the CO2 and other pollutants into the air. The reason why China is doing this is to move their pollution from being by the cities to being in the rural area to the west. So, now, they will rain a LOT more mercury, lead, uranium, etc onto their crops.
With the tax, it would be possible to get every nation to take long-term steps rather than short-term like most of BRICS is doing.
The question is not one of morals when it comes to GDP vs. sq acres vs capita. It is a question of what CAUSES the CO2. China has had a fairly stable population for the last 20 years. Yet, their emissions has doubled. Why? Because it is tied to their GDP. The same is true of EVERY nation.
The idea of tying CO2 emissions to per capitia explains why idiots like you are causing this nightmare. You scream that it should be per capitia without understanding that emissions are NOT tied to ppl. They are tied manufacturing. Simple as that. Yet, you idiots will block nuke power, scream that the largest emitter of greenhouse is good, and then scream that the nation that has droppped the most over the last 5 years, is total scum.
In the end, if we give over the edge, it will not be due to the idiots in the tea* or neo-cons that scream that climate change is not happening. It will be due to idiots like you that scream that you want it it your way, without any logic behind it.
not fuels. GOODS.
By taxing all goods that we consume, then it puts all nations on an equal footing. And once we start taxing our own products, local companies will push local govs/utilities to change their ways.
no, it is not. China has one of the WORST emission / $GDP. Over the last 5 years, they have improved and managed to move from the 3rd from the bottom up to 7 from the bottom. Note that America is around the middle so, around 90 from the bottom.
I agree. In fact, for the last 6 years, America has dropped our emissions to early 1990 levels. OTOH, China has DOUBLED theirs (which is why they are at 33% of all CO2 emissions).
AE can help, but it can NOT replace it all. We need nukes, esp. thorium. It is insane to not have it.
But, I will say that greenpeace and others on the far left are fucking up, by choosing to ignore BRIC and other nations, thinking that they will simply stop their emissions, or that these are cleaner. Nothing could be further from the truth. These nations will continue to increase, and these new plants will exists for more than 60 years. Even if the west stops 100% of our emissions, BRIC nation will continue to grow and this will continue.
First, it is supposed to be based on historical data from 1906-2005. It is not based on previous data or on CURRENT data.
IT'S a chart that no one wants to top, but global warming's worst offenders, in absolute terms, are the US, China, Russia, Brazil, India, Germany and the UK. New calculations suggest that these nations are responsible for more than 60 per cent of the global warming between 1906 and 2005.
Basically, they cherry picked a small period of time. The fact that they stopped at 2005 is even more telling. Since 2005, US's emissions have dropped, while ALL of BRICS have gone way up.
Heck, here is a better map that shows more CURRENT data. It came from CO2. In this case, it shows 2008's. What is truely wicked is that China has been going up 10-15% EACH YEAR for the last 10 years.
Secondly, Europe out did America in coal emissions for centuries. In fact, they emitted more CO2 UNTIL 1998 when suddenly, they started downwards. In fact, even the UK says that they are the global historical cause of climate change.
Third, check out the following 2 reports:
Here and Here.
What do you see?
That the west, esp. USA, is dropping their emissions, but china alone, emits more each year that destroys those savings. IOW, China is increasing faster than what the entire west can cut. This does NOT include other nations.
So, if you really were the least bit honest, you will get off the high horse and realize that we are in this together. Either all nations work together on this, or we all sink. And if USA takes the same approach that EU took, it will actually RAISE emissions, not lower them. It is EU's racism against China that keeps them from moving more work to there. And sadly, American businesses have taken a non-responsibility approach to issues, so they go on over to China, while ignoring the fact that China is cheating on everything.
Look, the west is working on lowering their emissions.
However, China alone emits over 1/3 of all CO2 emissions. Worse, by 2020, they will account for over 1/2 assuming that no other nation lowers theirs (and if other nations lower theirs, then it will probably be around 2017). In addition, the rest of BRICS are busy increasing their emissions.
And with kyoto and other nations trying to tie emissions to individuals, rather than to GDP, this will continue to happen. The only way to stop this is to have ALL NATIONS lower their emissions at the same time. In addition, it needs to be tied to GDP, rather than per capitia. Finally, it needs to be based on empirical data, not SWAGs.
And the only way to make sure that ALL nations work on bringing emissions down is for nations to tax all consumed goods, local and imported, with a tax based on where the good and its parts come from. In addition, ideally, it would include something for the transportation of the item.
Until that point, emissions WILL rise faster.
great. Please give us your name and credentials and start your own list. Until then, I will believe the other experts.
I don't think we are talking about Computer Science. There are three universities in Russia (1 in Moscow and 2 in St. Petersburg) that are all better in Computer Science than any university in US.
Hmmmm.
And carrying it further.
These 3 years are where everything comes together.
Starting this year, VG will start flying Scaled's SS2 for sub-orbital flights. Within 2 years after that, 2 more crafts (xcor and Blue Horizon's) will join up and offer competition. That will drive prices down to 100K for all 3 companies.
Then from 2015-2017, 3 companies will fly humans commercially to orbital; SpaceX's Dragon Rider will be first in 2015. Then the next one will be Boeing's CST-100 in 2016, and SNC's DC will be either 2016 or 2017. However, multiple comments here speak about the atlas not being human rated and do not realize that part of Boeing's money for CST-100 is to human rate Atlas. BUT, supposedly, CST-100 AND DC will be allowed to be mated to either Atlas OR F9. And yes, the F9 can fly the DC.
BUT, what is missing on the orbital flights is that few ppl are going to pay 20 million to orbit earth a few days in a tin can. Instead, these will be used to transport to a space Station. ISS, at least on the western side, is not allowed commercial flights for tourism. So, where will these ppl fly? To Bigelow Aerospace's Space Stations. BA will start building it next year IFF SpaceX gets dragon rider flying with humans. It will take just several flights to assemble a space station that has more volume than the ISS. So, starting in 2016, multiple nations are looking to be on BA's alpha. In addition, it is very likely that there will be tourists on-board. First the first year or two, it will likely costs $30 million / person for 1-2 months. BUT, by 2017, SpaceX will have re-usable first stage, which will drop this price to about $15M. Or 30 million for 6 months or more.
Basically, 2014 is the START of commercial space and VG will make big headlines for their first flight.
But it will take 3-4 years to move from sub-orbital to full orbital and everybody looking towards the moon by 2020, and mars by 2025.
if yellowstone goes, ALL OF Idaho and wyoming will be wiped off the maps.
nah. Those neo-cons/tea* are very heavy in Idaho, and those areas. They will be ground zero.
First, the pyroclastic flow (superheated gas and ash) would play havoc with the western half of the U.S.:
It would kill all life within roughly a 300 mile radius, in a matter of minutes.
It would most likely melt or incinerate anything with a boiling point equal to or less than that of iron.
After about 300 miles the heat would gradually start dying out, leaving people alive, but suffering first, second, and third degree burns.
About that time, the shockwave should hit. There's really no way to predict what kind of damage will happen, but it will likely leave almost anyone in the western half of the U.S. deafened, or with severely damaged hearing. Ironically, this will be the least of the troubles, because...
Though the gas has cooled enough to only scald people, for the remainder of the roughly 600 mile radius, people will have to also deal with their air being poisoned and acidic. Those not killed outright will soon have a very bad day, however, because...
The next effect will primarily cover twice the 600 mile radius in ash, most likely in an eliptical pattern to follow windflows, up to about 4 meters. A good portion of this ash will also come from the previously incinerated landscape. Those not killed by heat, poison, and acid, will now find breathing and moving extremely difficult as they wade through a 12-foot sea of fine powder.
Global Effects would be felt the same day and continue to worsen for the next 3-14 days, depending on the weather patterns. The would include things like.
Little, if any, government assistance. The largest disaster FEMA has ever had to face is 9/11, which stretched their resources to the limit. The affected area of the supervolcano is an estimated 10 million times greater than that of 9/11. To date, FEMA does not have a contingency plan for a disaster on the scale of a supervolcano. Though they have shown an interest in developing one, it is doubtful they will ever have the resources capable of dealing with such an event. So you might want to be prepared, either with supplies, with guns, and/or with your god.
Another problem that will have to be dealt with is the gas sulphur dioxide which forms sulphuric acid when it gets into the stratosphere. This has two main effects, one is blotting out the sun, the other is, of course, sulfuric acid rain.
Within a day or so, temperatures would plummet 15-20 degrees, on average, across the globe. While this wouldn't exactly cause the end of the world, it is likely to turn many temperate climates into arctic ones. Strangely, the greatest differences would be in the southern hemisphere, though thanks to the normally high temperature, it would probably make them a cool average of 72-degrees year-round, thus remove San Diego's monopoly on such temperatures.
Since most foodcrops depend upon a particular temperature and sunlight range, and most foodcrops are grown in temperate climates, and the breadbasket of the U.S. will be under a 12-foot layer of ash, and the damage to global infrastructure, one can expect that a lot of people will starve--roughly 1 billion, at best estimates.
Travel using engines would be severely limited for a while, though the time and location would depend largely on the ashfall. The enormous amount of particulates in the air would not only impair visibility on an unprecedented scale, but also clog air filters within a very short amount of time.
Anyone with breathing problems or allergies can count on a miserable life. Those with perfectly healthy lungs can count on developing breathing problems and allergies.
Most of North America would become uninhabitable until the ash had been beaten down by the acid rain, and hardened enough to walk on. Even then, the poisons within the ash, the topsoil covered with volcanic roc
yellowstone will wipe out what is south and EAST of it. draw a radius of 700-1000 miles from northeast to the south. IOW, all the way to the miss would be gone. And the east coast would be in DEEP trouble, so to speak. Loads of fly ash. And no sun for several years at best. In fact, the best place to be would be the west coast, or southern hemisphere. Because most of the north's bread basket will be gone. So will the trees, etc.
Economists say otherwise.
More here.
In a nutshell, India is dropping their ruppe to the dollars to scam some jobs from the west, BUT, not enough is flowing there anymore. Now, they are allowing CHinese goods to flow in there, who is manipulating their money relative to India, and making theirs dirt cheap.
Unless India changes SOON, they will see rising inflation, combined with lose of work. For 3rd world nations, that typically leads to a different situation: civil war.
India was NOT competition. We did not want some of OUR technology that Russia had to go to India. It would be like US giving information about RD-180 to your nation. Yes, part of Russia's tech for hydrolox comes from USA, not from themselves.
So, lets try again.
poppycock.
You obviously do not have a clue about ITAR or the implications, but just mouth BS that others have wildly claimed.
Non-American aerospace companies wanted the ability to launch on Chinese launchers. However, they were not allowed to use American know-how to do so. That is what lead the french to create a new company that is devoted to that. Good luck to them now that SpaceX is going to be a fraction of the costs of Chinese launchers. And if China decides to subsidize, then hopefully, SpaceX will scream quickly about it.
But to claim that ITAR will block companies from building sats is a joke.
that is what created ULA.
Boeing has done no spying on Airbus, EADs, etc.
OTOH, NSA HAS picked up Airbus doing loads of bribes all over the world, but that is when they NSA is listening in on foreign (i.e. non-western ) govs.
historical external funding sources such as drug running and arms trading
Ok, that is a new accusation that I have never heard of. Please show me where Boeing has external funding source from illegal activities.