Actually, I meant to add in for "the last 70 years", but missed it (called away to take care of a 3 y.o.) . You are correct about 1800's. BUT, If you look at the 1900's, you will see that other than reagan's little wars, all we had were skirmishes, not much different than what USSR, Russia, etc do.
If America, or any western nation, dropped a nuke on CHina, then the rest of world would isolate that nation. And I have little doubt that it includes USA. Even now, for America to use a nuke on Iran, would require Iran to drop a nuke on Israel. Without that, there is ZERO chance of America using our nukes. We did it on one country. In addition, we have only threatened to us it once (Nixon threatened India which is what lead to a big part of the divide with India and the west).
China constantly threatens Taiwain. They invaded India in the 60s. They supported north vietnam. They supported North Korea. They gave the tech for the nuke to North Korea and are currently helping Burma to get it. They currently pull the same garbage that the Cold war had earlier which is using proxies.
So, they answer is that direct invasions do not have to go on. Heck, America has not directly invaded another nation EXCEPT that invaded us, or where we were invited in. For example, Afghanistan attacked America. Iraq invaded Kuwait, so we in there with encouragement from them. In 'nam, we got pulled in by France because North Vietnam invaded the south. In South Korea, we supported the south after the north invaded them. We got pulled into WWII because we were attacked. etc. etc. etc. About the ONLY two military actions of the last century that was by us would be reagan's panama and grenada actions (both of which I was opposed to, just like W's re-stepping up Iraq).
There is a hidden costs in everything. If china will even keep to their treaties, I would SWAG that the price of goods would jump up double or more.
In fact, it is because of nations cheating (money manipulation, pollution emissions, etc) that I feel that EU's/Obama's/Dems' solution for CO2 is actually increasing CO2 and if America implements, CO2 will rise FASTER, not slower. With the solution that I have suggested elsewhere, it would actually lower the CO2 (and other pollution).
China is by far the heaviest polluter on the planet. Not only have they surpassed America in terms of CO2, but they surpassed America in ALL other forms of pollution around 2000. How? Because they have little to no pollution controls. And where they put it, as required by treaties, they regularly just turn them off due to the loss of efficiencies. Heck, if CHina's economy slows down to 5% as expected, then around 2019, they will have emitted 1/2 of ALL CO2 that has ever been emitted by man. And if they do not slow down, then around 2015, they will break that barrier. They currently account for just under 1/2 of mercury being emitted. etc. etc. etc.
So, if they have ZERO interest in their own citizens, let alone those in India, Viet Nam, Koreas, Japan, Russia, etc., WHAT COULD MAKE YOU THINK THAT THEY GIVE A CRAP ABOUT SPACE?
You are in luck. YAssuming that you are a white guy, the are looking for whitey's to rent. And they will pay pretty good for their area. In fact, I think that if you move there, that you would get a great education.
China says one thing, but does others. Quite honestly, the leadership there sees themselves in a cold war with the west, and are trying to take advantage of the west's not wanting to be in one.
The problem is that China has a VERY active space weapons program and will not give it up. If you look closely at what they are working on, it should be obvious that it is not about defense, but about an offense. They are
working on a ground based laser designed to take out western sats to try and stop GPS and communications.
Working on interceptors designed to take out incoming missiles.
Building nuke-powered Boomers/attack sub at a rate of 1-2 EACH.
Getting ready to launch multiple space stations. The first one will allow civilians on-board, but the second on, are expected to be military only. There is ZERO need for a military to have a manned space station, EXCEPT as a way of hiding weapons as a prelude to an attack.
Heck, even the agreement to get FTA and WTA required them to open their money in 2004, quit dumping, quit subsidizing, and drop trade barriers. Yet, they fixed their money against the dollar, they dump more than ever, subsidies have actually gone up (vs 1999), though trade barriers have shifted all around.
So, you are comparing a science advancement prize to a simple exploration prize? We have already been to the moon. We have had 50 years of science and engineering associated with space. The two prizes are VERY different items and concepts. As such, it makes TOTAL sense to have an advancement prize be at a set amount. But building of fuel depot/tugs, private space stations, or even a moon base is NOT new science. It is simple engineering. That is why you want it these to DECREASE with time. It forces the money guys to jump in and fund it.
I have no doubt of that. And if it really is 1/3, that is good. Those are women that are working to better themselves in tech world (or just bored). But you have to figure that the vast majority here are total geeks, which puts us all on the weirdo list (including myself). It is just the nature of it.
The reason for the decreasing amount is that it PUSHES the money ppl to jump into the game as fast as possible and get there. It also pushes the various players to form teams to things off the ground quickly. And by starting it higher than the costs of the RD, then it means that everybody has a VERY large incentive to get it done. Now, as to the denied access, well, CATS was ran by the Space Foundation. Now, we are talking about the Feds doing the prize. There is a bit of a difference here.
If SpaceX was a gov contactor similar to Boeing/L-Mart/Ratheon, I would agree with you. OTH, Musk is pushing for PRIVATE space and using the federal contracts as a spring board (similar to how he used F1 to springboard to the F9).
The decrease encourages the money ppl to get into the game early rather than later. If do not decrease it, then the money have ZERO incentives to get in early. In fact, they have every incentive to not add money. The reason is they will hope that somebody like Musk will do it and be stretched too thin. Then they swoope it up for a fraction.
First, if the dragon is launched via falcon as a cargo mission and working, then there is no issue with sending one up as a lifeboat. In fact, it is actually MUCH cheaper to do it this way, then via the shuttle.
If we spend only 10 billion on getting a base on the moon, with LOADS of commercial backing, I would say that was a GREAT DEAL.
Supposedly due to money. SpaceX IS getting tight on money, so they are spreading out the tests. If Bill Gates/Warren Buffet, or even George Soros really want to help America, now would be the time to invest money in spacex, perhaps just by buying future launches and paying the money for it NOW.
Actually, my understanding is that there were plenty of other items that they could have bought COTS wise. The problem was that many of the suppliers were used to selling to L-Mart/Boeing and had high prices. So, they brought those in-house as well.
It was just 15 ppl of which ALL benefited from the pork/jobs bill that it was. The good news is that the rest of the Senate has to vote on it. Now is the time for all good Americans to write their Senators/Congressman and push back against this white elephant bill.
that clothing is for SHORT BURSTS of microwaves. OTH, if you have a beam hit you for any length of time, you are going to be ripping off those clothes. Why? Because of the sparks that will be hitting your body.
Once the dragon is flying cargo AND has flown living samples UP and DOWN, it seems to me that we should send a dragon up as a lifeboat. The reason is that 3 of the sleeping quarters are on the other side of the station. As such, it makes sense to have one lifeboat on the US/Western side. Lose the middle, or even the entire russian side, and you still have an ability to get ppl to safety.
If Musk gets this flying in Sept, then it should be possible to push back against that recent jobs fair bill being pushed by the Senate panel, that masquerades as a NASA bill. In fact, BA, OSC, etc should be pushing hard for getting Bolden/Obama's plan moving fast. One idea is to offer up X-Prizes to really push commercial space. These should start high and descend in value over time.
For example, offer up a 1 billion X-Prize for a Tug/Fuel Depot that delivers in 2013. Then have it drop by.25B yearly after that. Give requirements for docking (such as using CBM).
Another useful one would be for human launches. Offer up 5 guaranteed human launches in 2013; followed by one less each year. The idea being is that the first craft will have more launches then those that arrive to the scene later. Why do it that way? To encourage groups like SpaceX to get funding, or for Boeing/L-Mart to invest their own money and build out human rated systems QUICKLY.
Finally, it will costs a great deal of money for NASA to get to the moon. So, why not offer up an X-Prize of 10B to put a base there. It would run until 2016, and then decrease by 1B each year.
Now, why do these and in this fashion? To get private space moving QUICKLY. In particular, this would encourage ppl like Gates, Allen, etc to chase these prizes. The sooner that you develop, the larger the pay-out.
Require that the work be in America, or amongst those nations that also contribute to the X-Prize (it allows the possibility for UK, EU, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc to jump in as well).
Wrong. Monsanto has very little GE patents in the scopes of things. In addition, the last thing that we want to do is apply any GE changes to Humans by unnatural selection. And the approaches that we have to evolve a critter is slow compared to what nature does. She uses 10's or possible 100's of virus in each mosquito bite to evolve us. The problem is, that with our approach to mosquitoes, it is a guarantee that we will not change to adopt to new diseases. Monstanto is absolutely nothing, when Nature is (was) pushing GE all over the planet.
Look, mosquitoes DO bring up virus and bacteria. HOWEVER, they are also bringing us (and other animals), virus from other species. Now, we know a number of these virus are species selective, but only because we are looking for them. Why? Because they produce disease.
The problem is that I am certain that there are virus that move genes across species. IOW, it is the lowly mosquito that not only causes arthopod borne disease, but also has a great deal to do with evolution. The fact is that we see high evolution rates where there are a large number of species. When the species diversity dies out, so does evolution. Yet, evolution should actually increase.
Far more than a company owning your food (which they will not), you should fear the wiping out of our species due to stopping evolution, and seeing us adjust to new pressures.
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Actually, I meant to add in for "the last 70 years", but missed it (called away to take care of a 3 y.o.) . You are correct about 1800's. BUT, If you look at the 1900's, you will see that other than reagan's little wars, all we had were skirmishes, not much different than what USSR, Russia, etc do.
If America, or any western nation, dropped a nuke on CHina, then the rest of world would isolate that nation. And I have little doubt that it includes USA. Even now, for America to use a nuke on Iran, would require Iran to drop a nuke on Israel. Without that, there is ZERO chance of America using our nukes. We did it on one country. In addition, we have only threatened to us it once (Nixon threatened India which is what lead to a big part of the divide with India and the west).
China constantly threatens Taiwain. They invaded India in the 60s. They supported north vietnam. They supported North Korea. They gave the tech for the nuke to North Korea and are currently helping Burma to get it. They currently pull the same garbage that the Cold war had earlier which is using proxies.
So, they answer is that direct invasions do not have to go on. Heck, America has not directly invaded another nation EXCEPT that invaded us, or where we were invited in. For example, Afghanistan attacked America. Iraq invaded Kuwait, so we in there with encouragement from them. In 'nam, we got pulled in by France because North Vietnam invaded the south. In South Korea, we supported the south after the north invaded them. We got pulled into WWII because we were attacked. etc. etc. etc. About the ONLY two military actions of the last century that was by us would be reagan's panama and grenada actions (both of which I was opposed to, just like W's re-stepping up Iraq).
There is a hidden costs in everything. If china will even keep to their treaties, I would SWAG that the price of goods would jump up double or more.
In fact, it is because of nations cheating (money manipulation, pollution emissions, etc) that I feel that EU's/Obama's/Dems' solution for CO2 is actually increasing CO2 and if America implements, CO2 will rise FASTER, not slower. With the solution that I have suggested elsewhere, it would actually lower the CO2 (and other pollution).
China is by far the heaviest polluter on the planet. Not only have they surpassed America in terms of CO2, but they surpassed America in ALL other forms of pollution around 2000. How? Because they have little to no pollution controls. And where they put it, as required by treaties, they regularly just turn them off due to the loss of efficiencies. Heck, if CHina's economy slows down to 5% as expected, then around 2019, they will have emitted 1/2 of ALL CO2 that has ever been emitted by man. And if they do not slow down, then around 2015, they will break that barrier. They currently account for just under 1/2 of mercury being emitted. etc. etc. etc.
So, if they have ZERO interest in their own citizens, let alone those in India, Viet Nam, Koreas, Japan, Russia, etc., WHAT COULD MAKE YOU THINK THAT THEY GIVE A CRAP ABOUT SPACE?
You are in luck. YAssuming that you are a white guy, the are looking for whitey's to rent. And they will pay pretty good for their area. In fact, I think that if you move there, that you would get a great education.
In a hot war, citizens do not care as much about the economy. After all, you can blame the problems on the other side.
The problem is that China has a VERY active space weapons program and will not give it up. If you look closely at what they are working on, it should be obvious that it is not about defense, but about an offense. They are
Heck, even the agreement to get FTA and WTA required them to open their money in 2004, quit dumping, quit subsidizing, and drop trade barriers. Yet, they fixed their money against the dollar, they dump more than ever, subsidies have actually gone up (vs 1999), though trade barriers have shifted all around.
China is positioning themselves for a hot war.
Funny that you say that. It was the animals in the ocean and those that burrow mostly underground that survived the past ELEs.
Now, with that said, It should be obvious to all that we have little choice BUT to live in the ground where ever we go. At least for a time.
So, you are comparing a science advancement prize to a simple exploration prize? We have already been to the moon. We have had 50 years of science and engineering associated with space.
The two prizes are VERY different items and concepts. As such, it makes TOTAL sense to have an advancement prize be at a set amount. But building of fuel depot/tugs, private space stations, or even a moon base is NOT new science. It is simple engineering. That is why you want it these to DECREASE with time. It forces the money guys to jump in and fund it.
I have no doubt of that. And if it really is 1/3, that is good. Those are women that are working to better themselves in tech world (or just bored). But you have to figure that the vast majority here are total geeks, which puts us all on the weirdo list (including myself). It is just the nature of it.
If you are posting on /., then you have already made the weirdo list. More so for women.
The reason for the decreasing amount is that it PUSHES the money ppl to jump into the game as fast as possible and get there. It also pushes the various players to form teams to things off the ground quickly. And by starting it higher than the costs of the RD, then it means that everybody has a VERY large incentive to get it done. Now, as to the denied access, well, CATS was ran by the Space Foundation. Now, we are talking about the Feds doing the prize. There is a bit of a difference here.
If SpaceX was a gov contactor similar to Boeing/L-Mart/Ratheon, I would agree with you. OTH, Musk is pushing for PRIVATE space and using the federal contracts as a spring board (similar to how he used F1 to springboard to the F9).
The decrease encourages the money ppl to get into the game early rather than later. If do not decrease it, then the money have ZERO incentives to get in early. In fact, they have every incentive to not add money. The reason is they will hope that somebody like Musk will do it and be stretched too thin. Then they swoope it up for a fraction.
First, if the dragon is launched via falcon as a cargo mission and working, then there is no issue with sending one up as a lifeboat. In fact, it is actually MUCH cheaper to do it this way, then via the shuttle.
If we spend only 10 billion on getting a base on the moon, with LOADS of commercial backing, I would say that was a GREAT DEAL.
Supposedly due to money. SpaceX IS getting tight on money, so they are spreading out the tests. If Bill Gates/Warren Buffet, or even George Soros really want to help America, now would be the time to invest money in spacex, perhaps just by buying future launches and paying the money for it NOW.
Actually, my understanding is that there were plenty of other items that they could have bought COTS wise. The problem was that many of the suppliers were used to selling to L-Mart/Boeing and had high prices. So, they brought those in-house as well.
It was just 15 ppl of which ALL benefited from the pork/jobs bill that it was. The good news is that the rest of the Senate has to vote on it. Now is the time for all good Americans to write their Senators/Congressman and push back against this white elephant bill.
that clothing is for SHORT BURSTS of microwaves. OTH, if you have a beam hit you for any length of time, you are going to be ripping off those clothes. Why? Because of the sparks that will be hitting your body.
Once the dragon is flying cargo AND has flown living samples UP and DOWN, it seems to me that we should send a dragon up as a lifeboat. The reason is that 3 of the sleeping quarters are on the other side of the station. As such, it makes sense to have one lifeboat on the US/Western side. Lose the middle, or even the entire russian side, and you still have an ability to get ppl to safety.
If Musk gets this flying in Sept, then it should be possible to push back against that recent jobs fair bill being pushed by the Senate panel, that masquerades as a NASA bill. In fact, BA, OSC, etc should be pushing hard for getting Bolden/Obama's plan moving fast. One idea is to offer up X-Prizes to really push commercial space. These should start high and descend in value over time.
For example, offer up a 1 billion X-Prize for a Tug/Fuel Depot that delivers in 2013. Then have it drop by .25B yearly after that. Give requirements for docking (such as using CBM).
Another useful one would be for human launches. Offer up 5 guaranteed human launches in 2013; followed by one less each year. The idea being is that the first craft will have more launches then those that arrive to the scene later. Why do it that way? To encourage groups like SpaceX to get funding, or for Boeing/L-Mart to invest their own money and build out human rated systems QUICKLY.
Finally, it will costs a great deal of money for NASA to get to the moon. So, why not offer up an X-Prize of 10B to put a base there. It would run until 2016, and then decrease by 1B each year.
Now, why do these and in this fashion? To get private space moving QUICKLY. In particular, this would encourage ppl like Gates, Allen, etc to chase these prizes. The sooner that you develop, the larger the pay-out. Require that the work be in America, or amongst those nations that also contribute to the X-Prize (it allows the possibility for UK, EU, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc to jump in as well).
Wrong. Monsanto has very little GE patents in the scopes of things. In addition, the last thing that we want to do is apply any GE changes to Humans by unnatural selection. And the approaches that we have to evolve a critter is slow compared to what nature does. She uses 10's or possible 100's of virus in each mosquito bite to evolve us. The problem is, that with our approach to mosquitoes, it is a guarantee that we will not change to adopt to new diseases. Monstanto is absolutely nothing, when Nature is (was) pushing GE all over the planet.
Look, mosquitoes DO bring up virus and bacteria. HOWEVER, they are also bringing us (and other animals), virus from other species. Now, we know a number of these virus are species selective, but only because we are looking for them. Why? Because they produce disease.
The problem is that I am certain that there are virus that move genes across species. IOW, it is the lowly mosquito that not only causes arthopod borne disease, but also has a great deal to do with evolution. The fact is that we see high evolution rates where there are a large number of species. When the species diversity dies out, so does evolution. Yet, evolution should actually increase.
Far more than a company owning your food (which they will not), you should fear the wiping out of our species due to stopping evolution, and seeing us adjust to new pressures.
And AQ/Taliban killed what? Guilty ppl?
UK will shortly see a tax on everybody to be paid to everybody for the stealing that the gov. does.