(OT?) If that same choice (NOTA) were on the ballot for each federal office (Prez, Sen, and Rep) I predict it would receive over 50% of the vote in each of over 50% of those races. Know I am very tired of.. walk in to the booth, be faced with effectively "which leg do you want amputated, your right or your left".
-- With regard to our schizophrenic IP laws, I vaguely remember somebody saying "America is in that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
-- seen on Groklaw
Okay, tell me why SunOS is "real UNIX" but BSD isn't...
On the off chance this is a serious inquiry,
SunOS is officially
"branded", *BSD and Linux are not. Said brand is required to be a "real UNIX", costs $$$ to obtain. Vaguely recall reading that some Linux distro was going to try for this. Haven't heard of them in quite a while now (iirc it was with kernel 1.2!).
sure, some people are running solaris 8 still, by the cs dept here is running.. SunOS 5.8
Solaris 8 is SunOS 5.8, 9 is 5.9, 7 is 5.7, 2.6 is 5.6, etc. Guessing Solaris 10 will be SunOS 5.10. Part of why, pre-Solaris was 4.x so Solaris became 5.x, for eg version testing by scripts.
Other, have noticed that for whatever reason several companies deployed the even numbered Solaris versions, mostly skipped the odd ones. Meaning they were on 2.6, played with 7 a little, upgraded to 8 soon after it came out, have only played with 9. Seems they are treating it as if it were the Linux even/odd release/devel scheme.
.. What is the problem of this leakage ?.. The only REAL problem is , if the microsoft source code is of very poor quality..
It appears you answer your own question.
Have you ever seen the Netscape source, or run across comments about it? Seems to be generally agreed that source was a spaghetti mess. Been a while, know MS used to distribute the current MFC source code (iirc with MSC++ v7.0). The MFC source made the Netscape source look good. Wish I was exaggerating. It (MFC) could have been used in C++ classes as a negative example, as in "don't do this, or this, and never ever do this".
"The very notion that I have to get permission to send you a marketing message doesn't make sense and is not good public policy," said Richard Gingras, Goodmail's chief executive.
To: Mr Richard Gingras
Dear Sir,
So you think getting permission to send a marketing message doesn't make sense. Fine. In addition to the proposed penny you will be charged by the ISP we demand you also be charged $100.00 to be credited to each recipient for each marketing message of yours delivered to our inboxes. Thus sending 1 message to 1,000 people will cause $100,010.00 to be deducted from your account. We will continue to delete your marketing message unread of course, the $100.00 merely reimburses us somewhat for the required hassle without imposing an undue burden on you, the sender.
We seek a similar arrangement regarding telemarketing, those responsible for the trash the USPS jams in our snail mail boxes, and all other forms of unsolicited marketing. Specifically we demand the sender be charged with whatever handling charge is reasonable for the medium, plus at minimum $100.00 (indexed to inflation) to be tendered to each recipient of your message as fair recompense for disposing of your unwelcome waste.
Our alternate proposal is that you serve one day in prison at hard labor per message per recipient. Thus for sending 1 message to 1,000 people or 2 messages to 500 you personally and all other responsible parties would spend 1,000 days "making big ones into little ones" or similar activity. We consider the additional monetary burden well worth the satisfaction of knowing you are receiving what you so richly deserve, including quality time with your roommate "Bubba".
We realize many will consider the above proposals to be too lenient. Indeed, many of us were quite vocal in our support of a variation of "Death by a Thousand Cuts". However the majority believe we should reserve such methods for use if the gently persuasive measures listed above were to fail.
Well.. the claims on that page are among the most laughable absurdities on the web right now. Otoh, hand me enough millions and I too will sort thru thousands of companies to find the half-dozen or so needed to "prove" whatever "facts" you want.
A full Windows installation, compared to installing Linux..
Is nearly three hours faster.
Please stay calm. Some nice men in white coats will be here aaanny minute now. They're going to give you a pretty jacket with extra-long sleeves, take your for a niice relaxing ride. Okay? ("nearly three hours faster".. sure. Full Linux server install I did last week took maybe 30 minutes. Otoh maybe there's some special Dr Who version.:)) )
.. add "none of the above" to the ballot..
.. new election with all new candidates.
Strongly agree. Question tho. What if NOTA also gets say 51+% in the new election. Yeah, have another, and another, etc, but.. office term expires, current idiot^H^H^H^H^H incumbent already lost re-election bid to NOTA, so now what? Leave the office vacant? No president? (Hmm, might be an improvement over any we've had these last (mumble) years at that.)
Bullshit! Granted that some people are too lazy. Not "most". Some of us are damn tired of trying to choose the lesser of two evils. Some are too disgusted with it all to waste any more time trying.
The problem.. spend months learning about the candidates, trying to make an informed choice, and still end up flipping a coin, or doing a write-in for Daffy Duck again, or your neighbors pet cat, because either is less corrupt and much better qualified than anyone on the ballot. Post-election learn that once again the major difference between the candidates was rhetoric; whoever got in did the same stupid krap you voted against their opponent for saying they'd do. Repeat every time across 25+ years. Discouraged yet?
No ref beyond flawed memory.. an article after the '96 election claimed the Census Bureau estimated that just under half of all US citizens otherwise qualified in every respect were registered to vote. About half of all registered voted in '96. Clinton received under half of the vote. Do the math; the winner received under 12.5% of "We the people".
RedHat have contributed a lot of work to the Linux user community
Fully agree.
Iirc first time I ran across Red Hat is the Microsoft of Linux was right after Red Hat's 4.0 release (late '96). That release had a lot of extremely buggy, pre-alpha quality code, almost as bad as Windows 95/NT4. I had been satisfied with Red Hat's 2.1 and 3.0.3 but 4.0 was bad enough to convince me to switch dists.
Iirc around then is also when the suits began noticing Linux. Sometimes wondered if the two were related.
All eight articles contain factual errors. All declare unsupported opinions as facts. And of course all ignore objective evidence that directly contradicts their opinions.
Conclusions. Typical political spew (any party). Might be worth entering in a tall tales contest. Might make good fertilizer.
Last May purchased a brandy-new laptop and Redhat 9 boxed set. Supplied kernel refused to see the pccard slots, 2 of 3 usb ports, firewire, or modem. Updated kernel does find all usb and pccard.
Spent much of this past week trying to get Fedora Core 1 to install/work on same box. Looks purty, but buggy, crashes; reminds me of Windows XP actually.
Spent one evening installing SuSE 8.2. Didn't check firewire. Everything else worked, first time, straight out of the box, including internal modem.
Just spent an hour installing "antique" Debian 3.0r1. Everything worked first try except firewire (untested) and internal modem. Didn't have to load any special modules. Install seemed easier than Redhat 9's to me. Online with Debian now installing security updates, something I could not do with Redhat 9 "out of the box", and gave up on Fedora without ever getting as far.
I prefer to get work done, rather than fskcing around with my CD drive for days
Granted ymmv, this is one reason why I expect to dump Redhat/Fedora in favor of Debian. Too often I have to futz with things in Redhat whereas in Debian they "just work". Another is that while Debian stable is intentionally ancient, many package in their testing branch are newer than Redhat's latest offerings. Debian's sid routinely has something packaged within days of its upstream release. This discrepancy is one flaw RHE/Fedora split is intended to address.
Mr. Szulik we clearly disagree. I personally have been using Linux at home for about as long as your company has existed. I vaguely recall reading that someone calling themself Red Hat had just come out with something called a "Mother's Day Release", which I tried. Per http://fedora.redhat.com/about/history/ this would have been in May '95. Back then my home desktop was multiboot with my third iteration of Slackware as primary (never did get SLS to work). I switched to Red Hat as primary with your version 2.1. Iirc around then I was also checking out Linux Universe, Yggdrasil, and Debian. Oh, and I did still have a dos partition, mainly for playing Harpoon.
Red Hat Linux is now in use at several companies because I would become frustrated with Windows, bring in my Linux cd's from home. My productivity would increase because for me Linux is much easier to use than Windows. This "infection" would spread to co-workers desktops, their home systems, the company servers, management desktops, secretaries, laptops, etc. I have also introduced it to several friends and family members, including my 87 year old grandmother (who also finds it much easier to use than Windows).
Red Hat's profit in these cases has been via off-the-shelf boxed sets and RHN subscriptions. Ditto your costs; I doubt any of them ever called or emailed you. Your enterprise offerings are too expensive for this group. They won't and/or don't want to downgrade to Windows XP. Judging from the web page Fedora will release often; security and stability are very much in question. We'll see.
I understand the business reasons for your company's decision. I hope y'all understand that by cutting the expense of the clueless consumer low end you are also effectively abandoning the SMB market. In future I expect my efforts and word of mouth advertising will go toward promoting your competitors, eg Debian and SuSE (Novell).
Red Hat has been good for FOSS since well before the acronym existed. I wish you well.
Huh. And I thought Windows 9x/ce/me/nt/2k/xp was more like a bicycle with training wheels, loose gooseneck, no seat, with front brakes that lock at random.
2. They fail several deadlines borrowing the money from MS to continue
Huh? Try reading the article again. Per the filing Microsoft failed to deliver the software, ever, thus forcing Sendo to "fail several deadlines".
I fail to see where's Microsoft's fault
If failing to deliver the software per contract is not Microsoft's fault, then whose is it? Sendo may have gone belly up even with the promised software. Without it they had no chance.
Otoh we tried StarOffice 3.1 because Microsoft Office was so poor at that time. We tried Unix at about the same time for much the same reason, because Windows 95/NT4 was so hideous. Today we are content with StarOffice 6.0 both at work and at home. If Microsoft ever produced a version that would run on our desktops (Linux and Solaris) and offered it at a reasonable and competitive price (under $100) likely we'd buy a copy to try. (Visio might be nice to have, but management feels the potential benefit isn't worth the hassle and expense of Windows.)
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> Which would you prefer:
..
.. walk in to the booth, be faced with effectively "which leg do you want amputated, your right or your left".
Personally I much prefer
3. None of the above.
(OT?) If that same choice (NOTA) were on the ballot for each federal office (Prez, Sen, and Rep) I predict it would receive over 50% of the vote in each of over 50% of those races. Know I am very tired of
--
With regard to our schizophrenic IP laws, I vaguely remember somebody saying "America is in that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
-- seen on Groklaw
On the off chance this is a serious inquiry, SunOS is officially "branded", *BSD and Linux are not. Said brand is required to be a "real UNIX", costs $$$ to obtain. Vaguely recall reading that some Linux distro was going to try for this. Haven't heard of them in quite a while now (iirc it was with kernel 1.2!).
Solaris 8 is SunOS 5.8, 9 is 5.9, 7 is 5.7, 2.6 is 5.6, etc. Guessing Solaris 10 will be SunOS 5.10. Part of why, pre-Solaris was 4.x so Solaris became 5.x, for eg version testing by scripts.
Other, have noticed that for whatever reason several companies deployed the even numbered Solaris versions, mostly skipped the odd ones. Meaning they were on 2.6, played with 7 a little, upgraded to 8 soon after it came out, have only played with 9. Seems they are treating it as if it were the Linux even/odd release/devel scheme.
As needed, I normally use ..
1600 Pennsylvania Ave Nw
Washington, DC 20502-0001
nobody@127.0.0.1
nobody@none.of.your.biz
Email is toughest; above are often rejected as already registered with different password.
It appears you answer your own question.
Have you ever seen the Netscape source, or run across comments about it? Seems to be generally agreed that source was a spaghetti mess. Been a while, know MS used to distribute the current MFC source code (iirc with MSC++ v7.0). The MFC source made the Netscape source look good. Wish I was exaggerating. It (MFC) could have been used in C++ classes as a negative example, as in "don't do this, or this, and never ever do this".
The desktop app is synaptic, works with Debian and Redhat for certain, haven't yet tried with SuSE, etc.
Well .. seems Mama Earth is also a little "late". Got me wondering about the next "New Moon".
To: Mr Richard Gingras
Dear Sir,
So you think getting permission to send a marketing message doesn't make sense. Fine. In addition to the proposed penny you will be charged by the ISP we demand you also be charged $100.00 to be credited to each recipient for each marketing message of yours delivered to our inboxes. Thus sending 1 message to 1,000 people will cause $100,010.00 to be deducted from your account. We will continue to delete your marketing message unread of course, the $100.00 merely reimburses us somewhat for the required hassle without imposing an undue burden on you, the sender.
We seek a similar arrangement regarding telemarketing, those responsible for the trash the USPS jams in our snail mail boxes, and all other forms of unsolicited marketing. Specifically we demand the sender be charged with whatever handling charge is reasonable for the medium, plus at minimum $100.00 (indexed to inflation) to be tendered to each recipient of your message as fair recompense for disposing of your unwelcome waste.
Our alternate proposal is that you serve one day in prison at hard labor per message per recipient. Thus for sending 1 message to 1,000 people or 2 messages to 500 you personally and all other responsible parties would spend 1,000 days "making big ones into little ones" or similar activity. We consider the additional monetary burden well worth the satisfaction of knowing you are receiving what you so richly deserve, including quality time with your roommate "Bubba".
We realize many will consider the above proposals to be too lenient. Indeed, many of us were quite vocal in our support of a variation of "Death by a Thousand Cuts". However the majority believe we should reserve such methods for use if the gently persuasive measures listed above were to fail.
Regards,
Nearly Everyone Else On The Planet
Well .. the claims on that page are among the most laughable absurdities on the web right now. Otoh, hand me enough millions and I too will sort thru thousands of companies to find the half-dozen or so needed to "prove" whatever "facts" you want.
Must .. resist ..
Please stay calm. Some nice men in white coats will be here aaanny minute now. They're going to give you a pretty jacket with extra-long sleeves, take your for a niice relaxing ride. Okay? ("nearly three hours faster" .. sure. Full Linux server install I did last week took maybe 30 minutes. Otoh maybe there's some special Dr Who version. :)) )
Seconded, thirded, whatever (yer honor i'll take another fifth please).
PJ's Groklaw is superb.
Strongly agree. Question tho. What if NOTA also gets say 51+% in the new election. Yeah, have another, and another, etc, but .. office term expires, current idiot^H^H^H^H^H incumbent already lost re-election bid to NOTA, so now what? Leave the office vacant? No president? (Hmm, might be an improvement over any we've had these last (mumble) years at that.)
Appears we interpret this differently ..
I read that as stating they chose the original Bourne shell, eg /bin/sh, with an aside (for Linux folks?) that bash is a superset of sh.
Bullshit! Granted that some people are too lazy. Not "most". Some of us are damn tired of trying to choose the lesser of two evils. Some are too disgusted with it all to waste any more time trying.
The problem .. spend months learning about the candidates, trying to make an informed choice, and still end up flipping a coin, or doing a write-in for Daffy Duck again, or your neighbors pet cat, because either is less corrupt and much better qualified than anyone on the ballot. Post-election learn that once again the major difference between the candidates was rhetoric; whoever got in did the same stupid krap you voted against their opponent for saying they'd do. Repeat every time across 25+ years. Discouraged yet?
No ref beyond flawed memory .. an article after the '96 election claimed the Census Bureau estimated that just under half of all US citizens otherwise qualified in every respect were registered to vote. About half of all registered voted in '96. Clinton received under half of the vote. Do the math; the winner received under 12.5% of "We the people".
RedHat have contributed a lot of work to the Linux user community
Fully agree.
Iirc first time I ran across Red Hat is the Microsoft of Linux was right after Red Hat's 4.0 release (late '96). That release had a lot of extremely buggy, pre-alpha quality code, almost as bad as Windows 95/NT4. I had been satisfied with Red Hat's 2.1 and 3.0.3 but 4.0 was bad enough to convince me to switch dists.
Iirc around then is also when the suits began noticing Linux. Sometimes wondered if the two were related.
The following articles may be helpful: ...
Thanks for the links.
All eight articles contain factual errors. All declare unsupported opinions as facts. And of course all ignore objective evidence that directly contradicts their opinions.Conclusions. Typical political spew (any party). Might be worth entering in a tall tales contest. Might make good fertilizer.
I don't have any problem using Redhat or Fedora
Last May purchased a brandy-new laptop and Redhat 9 boxed set. Supplied kernel refused to see the pccard slots, 2 of 3 usb ports, firewire, or modem. Updated kernel does find all usb and pccard.
Spent much of this past week trying to get Fedora Core 1 to install/work on same box. Looks purty, but buggy, crashes; reminds me of Windows XP actually.
Spent one evening installing SuSE 8.2. Didn't check firewire. Everything else worked, first time, straight out of the box, including internal modem.
Just spent an hour installing "antique" Debian 3.0r1. Everything worked first try except firewire (untested) and internal modem. Didn't have to load any special modules. Install seemed easier than Redhat 9's to me. Online with Debian now installing security updates, something I could not do with Redhat 9 "out of the box", and gave up on Fedora without ever getting as far.
I prefer to get work done, rather than fskcing around with my CD drive for days
Granted ymmv, this is one reason why I expect to dump Redhat/Fedora in favor of Debian. Too often I have to futz with things in Redhat whereas in Debian they "just work". Another is that while Debian stable is intentionally ancient, many package in their testing branch are newer than Redhat's latest offerings. Debian's sid routinely has something packaged within days of its upstream release. This discrepancy is one flaw RHE/Fedora split is intended to address.
STOP WITH THE CRASHING ARGUMENT!!!!! All you bastards running windows 98, UPGRADE!!!!
My brandy new in May laptop crashed 3 times in the first 2 days. I upgraded it from the supplied Windows XP Home to SuSE 8.2. Zero problems since.
My cubicle mate cusses and reboots his XP Pro system on average at least twice a day. I'm running Red Hat 9 with an uptime of ..
09:48:19 up 96 days, 12:28, 13 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01
Granted that Win98 stability was even worse than XP's, your point is ???
Mr. Szulik we clearly disagree. I personally have been using Linux at home for about as long as your company has existed. I vaguely recall reading that someone calling themself Red Hat had just come out with something called a "Mother's Day Release", which I tried. Per http://fedora.redhat.com/about/history/ this would have been in May '95. Back then my home desktop was multiboot with my third iteration of Slackware as primary (never did get SLS to work). I switched to Red Hat as primary with your version 2.1. Iirc around then I was also checking out Linux Universe, Yggdrasil, and Debian. Oh, and I did still have a dos partition, mainly for playing Harpoon.
Red Hat Linux is now in use at several companies because I would become frustrated with Windows, bring in my Linux cd's from home. My productivity would increase because for me Linux is much easier to use than Windows. This "infection" would spread to co-workers desktops, their home systems, the company servers, management desktops, secretaries, laptops, etc. I have also introduced it to several friends and family members, including my 87 year old grandmother (who also finds it much easier to use than Windows).
Red Hat's profit in these cases has been via off-the-shelf boxed sets and RHN subscriptions. Ditto your costs; I doubt any of them ever called or emailed you. Your enterprise offerings are too expensive for this group. They won't and/or don't want to downgrade to Windows XP. Judging from the web page Fedora will release often; security and stability are very much in question. We'll see.
I understand the business reasons for your company's decision. I hope y'all understand that by cutting the expense of the clueless consumer low end you are also effectively abandoning the SMB market. In future I expect my efforts and word of mouth advertising will go toward promoting your competitors, eg Debian and SuSE (Novell).
Red Hat has been good for FOSS since well before the acronym existed. I wish you well.
Windows was a station wagon.
I always thought it was more like a SUV myself...
Huh. And I thought Windows 9x/ce/me/nt/2k/xp was more like a bicycle with training wheels, loose gooseneck, no seat, with front brakes that lock at random.
2. They fail several deadlines borrowing the money from MS to continue
Huh? Try reading the article again. Per the filing Microsoft failed to deliver the software, ever, thus forcing Sendo to "fail several deadlines".
I fail to see where's Microsoft's fault
If failing to deliver the software per contract is not Microsoft's fault, then whose is it? Sendo may have gone belly up even with the promised software. Without it they had no chance.
Otoh we tried StarOffice 3.1 because Microsoft Office was so poor at that time. We tried Unix at about the same time for much the same reason, because Windows 95/NT4 was so hideous. Today we are content with StarOffice 6.0 both at work and at home. If Microsoft ever produced a version that would run on our desktops (Linux and Solaris) and offered it at a reasonable and competitive price (under $100) likely we'd buy a copy to try. (Visio might be nice to have, but management feels the potential benefit isn't worth the hassle and expense of Windows.)