Long time Mac user who knows almost nothing about Lisas.
Todd Stewart
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The Eject/Put Away issue is because of historical reasons.
When the early Macs were used with only one floppy, one had to swap the os disk and whatever app disk one was using. Also one could do copies between an Ejected(dimmed on the desktop) disk and a mounted disk. Seems quite a fuss now, but harddrives were a little more expensive in those days.
There is really no use for it in current Macs - but I assume there is a reason Apple hasn't taken it out.
BTW, I don't think I've seen a good replacement for the PutAway with regards to removable media. I haven't checked on how OS X handles it.
New Ways to See Black Holes http://www.npr.org/news/
We are living in fantastic times. I remember when I use to watch astronomy programs on PBS in LA in the late 70s(anyone else remember Krupp(sp?) from Griffith Observatory?) that all the important stuff was discoverd at the turn of the century with Einstein.
Man was I wrong.
Confirmation of extrasolar planets. We may be able to determine the atmosphere on some in the not too distant future!
Confirmation of black holes. I remember when they were just crazy scifi objects - fun to talk about, but you didn't really believe something so outside of human experience could exist. The book mentioned below is in many ways a history of people trying to come to terms with a concept so alien to our common sense notions of space and time.
Possible ocean on Europa...and life? In progress.
"Black Holes and Time Warps" by Kip Thorne is a great lay introduction to subject and its history. He is one of the authors of one of the classic texts on gravitation. I skipped the book for a long time because of its title - it sounded like other 'wacko' science books. It turned out to be a joy to read.
This is OS is going to be The One. I really think a good number of people with ppc linuxes will probably be reformating their hard drives and going with a single OS X boot the day this arrives.
You're going to be able to tell a MacOS X user from the blissful look of contentment on their faces...
In the spirit of Homer Simpson:
Apple Interface Tech and Legacy Apps and Bash and.., uuuuuoooohhhhh....
I've so far ordered about six times from Amazon with a total of about 10-15 books. No screw ups. I get the email notification when the item(s) ship. They almost always come the day they say they will. I can track the books as they cross the country. They've given me two or three 10 dollar coupons for their game section. All of the books I've got are the ones I ordered.
BTW. I absolutly love the People Who Bought This Book Also Bought and People Who Bought This Book Also Bought This Author on Amazon. In the spirit of Google search, literary democracy.
Some of the local bookstores have been playing The Mombo Kings when I shop. All I can say is think "Cleaning Woman" from Deadmen Don't Wear Plaid...
Does anyone else get that sinking feeling that this is just a first step to something nauseating like a Happy Happy Joy Joy joint press conference by Justice and MS declaring that MS is really,really sorry for that monopoly silliness and they've learned their lesson but they've come out a better company through the painful ordeal. Hugs all around. End news conference.
Apple's current stock price is 74, they started the year around the mid 30s. And the year before they started out around 15. They hit around 79 last month.
So much for the 'fiasco' tanks Apple's stock theory. Try again. You loose, coward.
"Pardon? I'm running Linux silly, (psst. This is Slashdot) "
Silly? Who's silly dunce - did you say you were running Linux, or BeOS, or BSD, or...
"Do you have any proof to back that one up?"
Proof!?! That people who use Mac overwhelmingly love them. New to this planet?
"I just think that corporations in general need to realize that people will only stand for so much before they join the enemy's ranks."
This is just mind boggling stupid. Why would someone who wants an Apple computer go out and buy a Intel box. "Yah, I'm going to show Apple, I'm going out and buy a Dell!" If there really are any of you out there who feel this way, please post so the Mac users can laugh their asses off at you when they get their machines. At least you'll be freeing up a computer for someone brighter.
An important point about human nature. When a crowd of people is standing around watching someone standing on a rooftop threatening to jump, most people in the crowd are thinking "Jump!" So go on jump to wintel.
"I'm sorry, I'm not trying to aggrivate you or start a holy war."
You're just a silly slashdoter. You see the Apple logo and start posting as much inane shit as you can think of.
"Anyone what effect this is having on the num of new macs purchased? macintosh stock? "
Apple's stock is at its five year high. But you didn't know that did you dummy. You just started typing. Apple's stock is continuing to climb and all thier products are wildly popular.
"Where I work there are the Mac user and those (everyone else) who laugh at Apple's blunders. I wish apple didn't make it so easy."
Oh, this is sooo cruel, laughing at wildly popular multi-billion dollar Apple. Don't be so mean, after all Apple is about to die, they have like %0.0001 market share, and only one application available, blah,blah,blah...
And KDE and Gnome are going to take over the desktop...
So explain to me again what was the logic of basing the Linux desktop on Windows 95 - the SHITTIEST GUI OF ALL TIME???
If I didn't have to use a pc at work I would have a hard time of believing the Tabbed Dialogs section wasn't made up. When looking at the examples, I don't don't know whether to cry,laugh, or throw up.
Having worked with Talon a few years ago, I thought I would give my thoughts on his piece.
I've been making computer games professionally as software engineer for about six years now. Talin was at the small first company I worked for. I really miss the atmosphere of that little group of people. Although, I've come to appreciate the bigger impersonal and wealthier companies.
I should say first that I'm commenting more from the console perspective than the home computer market, that is where my most recent work has focused.
>Failed products and harsh economics aren't the only reason why > the games industry has become a miserable place.
I would have to disagree with this assertion. I would agree that there are many game industry people I know how express frustration with the whole industry and their jobs/situation. However, they usually add that compared to digging a ditch maybe things aren't really that bad. I don't really see people getting lower pay than other industries - but I'm not that familiar with other sectors of the computer industry. Almost all game programmers I know who have been in the industry more than a year make a comfortable to very comfortable living.
>It loves to exploit 19 year old programmers who work 10-12 > hours a day, get paid less than the standard wage for >programmers in other industries,
I believe that this is less a problem with the game industry itself than the 19 year olds. From reading some of the posts here and from personal experience, the games industry is considered, rightly or wrongly, cool to work for. So economical speaking, that 19 year old is trading some salary for the perceived coolness of the job. There are lots and lots of people out there sending their resumes to companies saying that they have no experience but they really want to work on games. I don't think many other computer industries have anything similar. The closest I can think of would be Hollywood and new actors who will do anything just to get their first part. I believe that once most junior games programmers get their first title under their belt and/or have their first lunch with an experienced game programmer and "you're making how much!?!" they wise up.
>I should also mention that the games industry has little respect for experience
I would disagree one this point. The game industry values experience just as much as any other industry. However, the value of experience is weighed heavily towards ones most recent work or platform. One rarely hears mention of the number of years a person has been in the industry - almost always a person is described as a 'playstation person' or we need to get someone with N64 experience/title. The number of years will get one more pay or possibly more managerial responsibilities.
I don't necessarily agree with this valuation of experience - but I would say it is the norm in my experience.
>The whole > process by which games are budgeted and scheduled, for example, > is something that I find amazing that anyone could take >seriously.
I believe this comes from two reasons. First, I believe that at some point in the past few years the average game's natural(not scheduled) development time has gone over year. This is of course because of their increasing complexity. With a so many games trying to hit Christmas, this creates an endless cycle of projects missing Christmas and at the same time putting the next project behind before it has even started.
You hear a LOT of conversations of this sort:
"We need to make Christmas" "There is no way we can make Christmas" "You don't understand, we really need to make Christmas" "You don't understand, there is NO way we can make Christmas" "You don't understand, we REALLY need to make Christmas" "You don't understand, there is NO FUCKING way we can make Christmas" ...
Second, because the projects are getting bigger, the amount of money involved in a project is getting into the tens of millions. Scheduling in the game industry reminds me of a plane trip to China a few years ago. I REALLY don't like to fly, and have no plans of ever flying again. While sitting in my chair waiting for the plane to crash into the Pacific, I would shake my knees constantly. I knew that it wasn't going to keep the plane in the air but I still did it. I believe that game company management has a similar reaction with schedules. They know down deep that they aren't going make a project ship on time, but they at least get the weekly feeling of being on top of the situation. I believe that much of the game industry upper management spends a lot of time just like me shaking my legs over the Pacific.
>Alternatively, I think I'd enjoy just develop games as a hobby, >I've > found that being an amateur game creator is more emotionally > rewarding than being a After all, I'm in this for the fun, >and for the > chance to express myself creatively.
I find myself working on my own at home doing exactly this partially out of frustration with having to work with other who aren't as brilliant as myself:)
But seriously, there is nothing stopping companies from coming out with small, creative one person projects. Of course, I doubt that they would sell much. The days of one person doing an entire project - graphics, sound, ai, etc. are over, unless a large leap in the productivity of development tools comes about.
The good old days of games with bad programmer grammar, spelling, and art seem to be gone for good. I miss them, but there's always MAME and my old computers and console systems.
Todd Stewart macntodd@pacbell.net todd.stewart@3do.com
Is that the best you can do AC? Don't post quotes that you have no fucking clue about. The eOne is a pathetic ripoff of the iMac. It's not even a good copy. This is just par for the suck world of wintel - lame copies of Apple products. This is the hardware equivalent of Windows.
People like you and the whole wintel world will always have no class. If wintel can't even copy an idea they will never be able to go to the next level and steal it and transform the idea to a higher level.
Apple people have no problem with the wintel world following their lead - just stop making lame copies!
This goes for Linux too. Is the best you can come up with is KDE and Gnome? Ripoffs of a poor ripoff(Windows) of the MacOS? And you think Linux is going to conquer the desktop? Snicker...
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Great post.
Checking out the links right now.
Long time Mac user who knows almost nothing about Lisas.
Todd Stewart
The Eject/Put Away issue is because of historical reasons.
When the early Macs were used with only one floppy, one had to swap the os disk and whatever app disk one was using. Also one could do copies between an Ejected(dimmed on the desktop) disk and a mounted disk. Seems quite a fuss now, but harddrives were a little more expensive in those days.
There is really no use for it in current Macs - but I assume there is a reason Apple hasn't taken it out.
BTW, I don't think I've seen a good replacement for the PutAway with regards to removable media. I haven't checked on how OS X handles it.
Who the hell wants an HP with windows? Get a clue Ford, give your employees something classy like iMacs.
...so I don't have to be bothered with knowing the date(or the year) when I want some milk.
:)
Hey machine, is this milk good
From yesterday's NPR news:
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New Ways to See Black Holes
http://www.npr.org/news/
We are living in fantastic times. I remember when I use to watch astronomy programs on PBS in LA in the late 70s(anyone else remember Krupp(sp?) from Griffith Observatory?) that all the important stuff was discoverd at the turn of the century with Einstein.
Man was I wrong.
Confirmation of extrasolar planets. We may be able to determine the atmosphere on some in the not too distant future!
Confirmation of black holes. I remember when they were just crazy scifi objects - fun to talk about, but you didn't really believe something so outside of human experience could exist. The book mentioned below is in many ways a history of people trying to come to terms with a concept so alien to our common sense notions of space and time.
Possible ocean on Europa...and life? In progress.
"Black Holes and Time Warps" by Kip Thorne is a great lay introduction to subject and its history. He is one of the authors of one of the classic texts on gravitation. I skipped the book for a long time because of its title - it sounded like other 'wacko' science books. It turned out to be a joy to read.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/03933127
Todd Stewart
Software Engineer
3DO
"On a related note, is there a consensus on the license for Apple's Darwin Streaming Server? Is it open enough?"
Is this a joke? Open enough for who? The license is exactly as open or closed as Apple wants.
Ahem, broter :)
.., uuuuuoooohhhhh....
This is OS is going to be The One. I really think a good number of people with ppc linuxes will probably be reformating their hard drives and going with a single OS X boot the day this arrives.
You're going to be able to tell a MacOS X user from the blissful look of contentment on their faces...
In the spirit of Homer Simpson:
Apple Interface Tech and Legacy Apps and Bash and
"For a server Linux will be a lot better."
Do you anything to back up this assertion?
"iMac's galling lack of external storage doesn't seem as important anymore"
Suddenly??? This is assuming it ever was important...
I've so far ordered about six times from Amazon with a total of about 10-15 books. No screw ups. I get the email notification when the item(s) ship. They almost always come the day they say they will. I can track the books as they cross the country. They've given me two or three 10 dollar coupons for their game section. All of the books I've got are the ones I ordered.
BTW. I absolutly love the People Who Bought This Book Also Bought and People Who Bought This Book Also Bought This Author on Amazon. In the spirit of Google search, literary democracy.
Some of the local bookstores have been playing The Mombo Kings when I shop. All I can say is think "Cleaning Woman" from Deadmen Don't Wear Plaid...
Todd Stewart
I don't think the researchers are calling it useless. I think this phrase was just sloppy journalism or sloppy phrasing by the scientist interviewed.
A better technical term would of been "extra stuff" not junk.
Is that better or worse than Scientologists?
The long version of Dune is a great fucking movie to code to - especially if comes on around midnight and ends around three am something.
Todd Stewart
Does anyone else get that sinking feeling that this is just a first step to something nauseating like a Happy Happy Joy Joy joint press conference by Justice and MS declaring that MS is really,really sorry for that monopoly silliness and they've learned their lesson but they've come out a better company through the painful ordeal. Hugs all around. End news conference.
Please don't fuck this Justice.
Todd Stewart
You forgot the :) You were joking? I hope so.
Apple's current stock price is 74, they started the year around the mid 30s. And the year before they started out around 15. They hit around 79 last month.
So much for the 'fiasco' tanks Apple's stock theory. Try again. You loose, coward.
So to sum up this post:
"I want to post bad stuff about Apple like everyone else but I don't really have a clue about the situation"
"Pardon? I'm running Linux silly, (psst. This is Slashdot) "
...
Silly? Who's silly dunce - did you say you were running Linux, or BeOS, or BSD, or
"Do you have any proof to back that one up?"
Proof!?! That people who use Mac overwhelmingly love them. New to this planet?
"I just think that corporations in general need to realize that people will only stand for so much before they join the enemy's ranks."
This is just mind boggling stupid. Why would someone who wants an Apple computer go out and buy a Intel box. "Yah, I'm going to show Apple, I'm going out and buy a Dell!" If there really are any of you out there who feel this way, please post so the Mac users can laugh their asses off at you when they get their machines. At least you'll be freeing up a computer for someone brighter.
An important point about human nature. When a crowd of people is standing around watching someone standing on a rooftop threatening to jump, most people in the crowd are thinking "Jump!" So go on jump to wintel.
"I'm sorry, I'm not trying to aggrivate you or start a holy war."
You're just a silly slashdoter. You see the Apple logo and start posting as much inane shit as you can think of.
"Anyone what effect this is having on the num of new macs purchased? macintosh stock? "
Apple's stock is at its five year high. But you didn't know that did you dummy. You just started typing. Apple's stock is continuing to climb and all thier products are wildly popular.
"Where I work there are the Mac user and those (everyone else) who laugh at Apple's blunders. I wish apple didn't make it so easy."
Oh, this is sooo cruel, laughing at wildly popular multi-billion dollar Apple. Don't be so mean, after all Apple is about to die, they have like %0.0001 market share, and only one application available, blah,blah,blah...
And KDE and Gnome are going to take over the desktop...
So explain to me again what was the logic of basing the Linux desktop on Windows 95 - the SHITTIEST GUI OF ALL TIME???
If I didn't have to use a pc at work I would have a hard time of believing the Tabbed Dialogs section wasn't made up. When looking at the examples, I don't don't know whether to cry,laugh, or throw up.
Here's a link to a SciAm article that talks about Google:
e /0699raghavan.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/1999/0699issu
Todd Stewart
>Having worked with >>>Talon a few years ago, I thought I would give my thoughts on his piece.
Doh! Shows what I get for bothering to spellcheck!
Having worked with Talon a few years ago, I thought I would give my thoughts on his piece.
:)
I've been making computer games professionally as software engineer for about six years now. Talin was at the small first company I worked for. I really miss the atmosphere of that little group of people. Although, I've come to appreciate the bigger impersonal and wealthier companies.
I should say first that I'm commenting more from the console perspective than the home computer market, that is where my most recent work has focused.
>Failed products and harsh economics aren't the only reason why
> the games industry has become a miserable place.
I would have to disagree with this assertion. I would agree that there are many game industry people I know how express frustration with the whole industry and their jobs/situation. However, they usually add that compared to digging a ditch maybe things aren't really that bad. I don't really see people getting lower pay than other industries - but I'm not that familiar with other sectors of the computer industry. Almost all game programmers I know who have been in the industry more than a year make a comfortable to very comfortable living.
>It loves to exploit 19 year old programmers who work 10-12
> hours a day, get paid less than the standard wage for
>programmers in other industries,
I believe that this is less a problem with the game industry itself than the 19 year olds. From reading some of the posts here and from personal experience, the games industry is considered, rightly or wrongly, cool to work for. So economical speaking, that 19 year old is trading some salary for the perceived coolness of the job. There are lots and lots of people out there sending their resumes to companies saying that they have no experience but they really want to work on games. I don't think many other computer industries have anything similar. The closest I can think of would be Hollywood and new actors who will do anything just to get their first part. I believe that once most junior games programmers get their first title under their belt and/or have their first lunch with an experienced game programmer and "you're making how much!?!" they wise up.
>I should also mention that the games industry has little respect for experience
I would disagree one this point. The game industry values experience just as much as any other industry. However, the value of experience is weighed heavily towards ones most recent work or platform. One rarely hears mention of the number of years a person has been in the industry - almost always a person is described as a 'playstation person' or we need to get someone with N64 experience/title. The number of years will get one more pay or possibly more managerial responsibilities.
I don't necessarily agree with this valuation of experience - but I would say it is the norm in my experience.
>The whole
> process by which games are budgeted and scheduled, for example,
> is something that I find amazing that anyone could take
>seriously.
I believe this comes from two reasons. First, I believe that at some point in the past few years the average game's natural(not scheduled) development time has gone over year. This is of course because of their increasing complexity. With a so many games trying to hit Christmas, this creates an endless cycle of projects missing Christmas and at the same time putting the next project behind before it has even started.
You hear a LOT of conversations of this sort:
"We need to make Christmas"
"There is no way we can make Christmas"
"You don't understand, we really need to make Christmas"
"You don't understand, there is NO way we can make Christmas"
"You don't understand, we REALLY need to make Christmas"
"You don't understand, there is NO FUCKING way we can make Christmas"
...
Second, because the projects are getting bigger, the amount of money involved in a project is getting into the tens of millions. Scheduling in the game industry reminds me of a plane trip to China a few years ago. I REALLY don't like to fly, and have no plans of ever flying again. While sitting in my chair waiting for the plane to crash into the Pacific, I would shake my knees constantly. I knew that it wasn't going to keep the plane in the air but I still did it. I believe that game company management has a similar reaction with schedules. They know down deep that they aren't going make a project ship on time, but they at least get the weekly feeling of being on top of the situation. I believe that much of the game industry upper management spends a lot of time just like me shaking my legs over the Pacific.
>Alternatively, I think I'd enjoy just develop games as a hobby,
>I've
> found that being an amateur game creator is more emotionally
> rewarding than being a After all, I'm in this for the fun,
>and for the
> chance to express myself creatively.
I find myself working on my own at home doing exactly this partially out of frustration with having to work with other who aren't as brilliant as myself
But seriously, there is nothing stopping companies from coming out with small, creative one person projects. Of course, I doubt that they would sell much. The days of one person doing an entire project - graphics, sound, ai, etc. are over, unless a large leap in the productivity of development tools comes about.
The good old days of games with bad programmer grammar, spelling, and art seem to be gone for good. I miss them, but there's always MAME and my old computers and console systems.
Todd Stewart
macntodd@pacbell.net
todd.stewart@3do.com
Whoa, good one.! You really got me with that one.
AC == Anonymous Coward(you)
"Jobs is a whiney child"
Is that the best you can do AC? Don't post quotes that you have no fucking clue about. The eOne is a pathetic ripoff of the iMac. It's not even a good copy. This is just par for the suck world of wintel - lame copies of Apple products. This is the hardware equivalent of Windows.
People like you and the whole wintel world will always have no class. If wintel can't even copy an idea they will never be able to go to the next level and steal it and transform the idea to a higher level.
Apple people have no problem with the wintel world following their lead - just stop making lame copies!
This goes for Linux too. Is the best you can come up with is KDE and Gnome? Ripoffs of a poor ripoff(Windows) of the MacOS? And you think Linux is going to conquer the desktop? Snicker...
>Shake the ball...
8-Balls aren't supposed to be shaken - it creates bubbles which obscure the answer.