Thank you very much. I wasn't online in time to point this out before fanatic did, but there's more of us using only maximized windows (well, maximized tabs, actually). Actually the resizing is the main reason I often turn off JavaScript - it's that irritating. If fixed tables are really necessary, just live with the extra space, it's less of a problem.
JavaScript horror: I don't know how other browsers handle that, but Opera (both 6&7) resizes the top window when I open tabs in background. Can you imagine maximizing the same window for the third time because some of the links used resizing? _And_ that page was designed for full screen, so you have to.
I wish more webmasters would respond that kindly to such requests. Unfortunately few do. Thanks again.
Ooops! Well, well, how offtopic... Oh, well, karma positive, long discussion, who'd moderate this anyway... I don't care...
What are you talking about? The article is not about use of knowledge at all. It is about irresponsible research.
Is it OK to research nanobots? Perhaps. If someone will, it may as well be us. The point is - should you try to create a test robot that you are 90% sure will do what you want and not replicate uncontrollably? If you have a 100% sure way to stop the experiment if it goes wrong, go ahead. But what if there's 5% chance that it won't stop? 5% chance of gray goo is not an acceptable price for a bit of knowlegde, no matter how useful the knowledge is.
The point is, that "we're 85% sure our experiment will not destroy life on Earth" is not good enough. If this is the case, don't start the experiment - think of a safer one, or do more research on making this one safe. You're not risking your own life, but much, much more. The technologies currently researched have much greater potential for mass destruction than, say, a century ago. This doesn't mean we should stop the research - it means we must slow down a bit and make sure each step is as safe as it gets, because there might not be a second try.
In other words: "censorship" is a very bad word for what he is suggesting. "Responsibility" - that's the key.
Wrong. I use it quite often. Get used to opening everything in tabs and using the wheel to move between them, then go search for something on Google, or anywhere else. Once you find it, you realize that you have twenty-something tabs open and you don't need any of them. What do you do? Click the "close" button until your finger breaks, or do the "close window" gesture until your wrist gets stiff? I just close all tabs.
BTW: I installed Opera 7.10 at home, used it a few times during the weekend, and right now I'm downloading 6.12. I can't wait. I _hate_ 7.10. Skins that can't be turned off, default skin so white, that my eyes hurt, it takes over a minute to download a new one over dialup and I couldn't find a good one anyway, everything's just shiny, ugly and weird. Why, o why must every skin be striped, "metal" or otherwise spotty? Yeah, I know, I'm dull, but I like that. Besides, my interface used to be consistent between applications (KDE2 Platinum, with WindowMaker on slower machines - less consistent but good enough), now I can't make that work. No obvious way to enlarge the font in the interface, the default is too small. Slow. Yes, it opens pages very fast, but it takes too long to load and just _feels_ slow. Buggy. Tabs switch without a reason, even without moving the mouse - with JavaScript turned off, mind you. Crashes too often, but it's a beta afterall. No "Identify as" switch, you have to search the menus for that. M2 doesn't work correctly with secure connections, perhaps I just misconfigured something, but I don't think so. AND it makes my speakers noisy - I know it's actually a hardware issue, I used to have Windows on this machine about two years ago and sometimes heard this then, but never in Linux.
The question is how long will Opera 6 be supported. I've been waiting for the beta to see which I like enough to buy. If there will be bugfixes and security updates for at least a year, I'll buy version 6, it deserves it. Unfortunately it looks like this will be the last Opera I ever use. Sorry guys, I'll have to have a look at Phoenix, etc. It's been nice using your product, but you're obviously targetting someone else.
BTW: I'll better go report the bugs I found so far. I owe it to Opera - 6.x was amazing.
Actually, if I were in Al Queda, I would not attack the USA now. Outside - yes, and that still happens, but I'd let America destroy itself from within.
Without attacks this was bound to happen. Sooner or later someone would get the idea "This works! Less civil rights = more safety!". This is already a win for terrorists. Now, whether they wait patiently as your representatives take away your rights, effectively weakening (!) the system and losing public support (not just yet, totalitarism creeps in slowly), or just wait until you are already very concerned, but most "normal people" feel safer than ever and _then_ strike - it's just a matter of choice. Both actions will be devastating.
Face it, the terrorists have won. The Patriot Act is a proof and it won't stop here. I'm glad I'm not american. Unfortunately my country "follows Americas lead" in everything, so it won't be long...
Good luck guys. If America doesn't wake up before it's too late, we're all doomed. I was born in communism and I really don't want to see it again as "antiterrorism" in umpteen years.
Nope. It's already there for 7.2, 7.3, 8 and 9. Unfortunately I have a 7.1 here... OK, I'll wait. The machine is quite hard to get to anyway, I should survive one more day. One. OK?
I just finished patching all the machines here, now this. Damn. My work never ends.
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It's been said before, but I have to repeat: you only lose your work, because you choose to. Opera has nice session support, which can made the default action at exit, just tell it to "Continue browsing where I was last time" - first position in the "Star and exit" settings. If you like it to ask you - you can. It can ask you whether you really want to close the window, and if you want to save your work. You can even make it save the windows by default, and when you start Opera again it can ask you whether you want to load saved windows/tabs, start with your home page, or nothing at all... It's all in the settings, just go have a look!
Try mouse gestures. They're very comfortable and once you get used to closing the tab with a gesture, moving your mouse far up to close the window feels unusual and therefore unlikely - by mistake, of course.
Just don't use the gesture for opening a new tab. It's convenient too, but too similar to the "tab close" one. A small slip and your top tab closes. I've lost a few nice links that way.
There's also session support in Opera, so you lose nothing, but that was already mentioned by many posters.
Perhaps. I have only _seen_ XP once, they're so ugly I didn't even want to find out if the interface could be reconfigured to look like 2000.
Most of our machines here are on all the time, with uptimes of a few months (up to 3, mostly due to unreliable power). Even so both Linux and win2000 stay stable. Actually, the GTTGK (Great Trio That Goes Kaboom) - XFree86 + NVidia drivers + KDE and anything Qt crashes more often than Win2000, and though it's usually not fatal, it did make the system completely unusable more than once (shh from another box & reboot).
I have to disagree. Yes, you can squeeze more stability out of Linux as a server, but that's not all. I run only Linux (RedHat 7.1, well tuned in my opinion, but nowhere near what I would put on a server) as my desktop/workstation, and some of the other computers in the room are Wintels. The 98 one is laughable - BSOD every few hours, NT mostly works well enough, but 2000 Professional are completely on par with Linux. I have only seen one of them crash so far, while my own box and other penguins nearby have a worse history. The instability of Windows is a myth nowadays, though from what I heard XP restored the tradition.
Yes, if forced, Linux works better, but the difference is not that big.
Dear RNG! I can't believe it... I'm actually defending Windows... I gotta go wash my hands, gotta go, now, now, NOW!!!
Don't kill, just use it. It exists since... well, I don't know, I've been using it forever. It's probably turned off by default, God knows why. In opera6.ini, opera.ini, or whatever your version names it, section [User Prefs]:
Center Mousebutton Action=2
Voila. I remember I had to dig the webpage to learn that. BTW, read that "Undocumented features" section somewhere at www.opera.com, some nice things can be found.
Ah, I use it under Linux, I'm not sure about Windows. I think it used to work, but I'm really not sure.
Oh, one more thing:
Why, why, oh why make this off by default, only configurable by editing the.ini, and at the same time make the gestures for a new window and for closing a window so !@#$!@#$% similar?!? That's the one thing I hate about gestures, if the mouse drifts a bit too far right while you gesture down, oops, your top window is closed, you don't remember the URL, or even how you got there and there's no history to help you. WHY!?!?! Design, people!
Still, Opera is the best for me. Good luck with Phoenix, people, I'm waiting for v.7.0/Linux.
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Thank you very much. I wasn't online in time to point this out before fanatic did, but there's more of us using only maximized windows (well, maximized tabs, actually). Actually the resizing is the main reason I often turn off JavaScript - it's that irritating. If fixed tables are really necessary, just live with the extra space, it's less of a problem.
JavaScript horror: I don't know how other browsers handle that, but Opera (both 6&7) resizes the top window when I open tabs in background. Can you imagine maximizing the same window for the third time because some of the links used resizing? _And_ that page was designed for full screen, so you have to.
I wish more webmasters would respond that kindly to such requests. Unfortunately few do. Thanks again.
Ooops! Well, well, how offtopic... Oh, well, karma positive, long discussion, who'd moderate this anyway... I don't care...
What are you talking about? The article is not about use of knowledge at all. It is about irresponsible research.
Is it OK to research nanobots? Perhaps. If someone will, it may as well be us. The point is - should you try to create a test robot that you are 90% sure will do what you want and not replicate uncontrollably? If you have a 100% sure way to stop the experiment if it goes wrong, go ahead. But what if there's 5% chance that it won't stop? 5% chance of gray goo is not an acceptable price for a bit of knowlegde, no matter how useful the knowledge is.
The point is, that "we're 85% sure our experiment will not destroy life on Earth" is not good enough. If this is the case, don't start the experiment - think of a safer one, or do more research on making this one safe. You're not risking your own life, but much, much more. The technologies currently researched have much greater potential for mass destruction than, say, a century ago. This doesn't mean we should stop the research - it means we must slow down a bit and make sure each step is as safe as it gets, because there might not be a second try.
In other words: "censorship" is a very bad word for what he is suggesting. "Responsibility" - that's the key.
Wrong. I use it quite often. Get used to opening everything in tabs and using the wheel to move between them, then go search for something on Google, or anywhere else. Once you find it, you realize that you have twenty-something tabs open and you don't need any of them. What do you do? Click the "close" button until your finger breaks, or do the "close window" gesture until your wrist gets stiff? I just close all tabs.
BTW: I installed Opera 7.10 at home, used it a few times during the weekend, and right now I'm downloading 6.12. I can't wait. I _hate_ 7.10. Skins that can't be turned off, default skin so white, that my eyes hurt, it takes over a minute to download a new one over dialup and I couldn't find a good one anyway, everything's just shiny, ugly and weird. Why, o why must every skin be striped, "metal" or otherwise spotty? Yeah, I know, I'm dull, but I like that. Besides, my interface used to be consistent between applications (KDE2 Platinum, with WindowMaker on slower machines - less consistent but good enough), now I can't make that work. No obvious way to enlarge the font in the interface, the default is too small. Slow. Yes, it opens pages very fast, but it takes too long to load and just _feels_ slow. Buggy. Tabs switch without a reason, even without moving the mouse - with JavaScript turned off, mind you. Crashes too often, but it's a beta afterall. No "Identify as" switch, you have to search the menus for that. M2 doesn't work correctly with secure connections, perhaps I just misconfigured something, but I don't think so. AND it makes my speakers noisy - I know it's actually a hardware issue, I used to have Windows on this machine about two years ago and sometimes heard this then, but never in Linux.
The question is how long will Opera 6 be supported. I've been waiting for the beta to see which I like enough to buy. If there will be bugfixes and security updates for at least a year, I'll buy version 6, it deserves it. Unfortunately it looks like this will be the last Opera I ever use. Sorry guys, I'll have to have a look at Phoenix, etc. It's been nice using your product, but you're obviously targetting someone else.
BTW: I'll better go report the bugs I found so far. I owe it to Opera - 6.x was amazing.
Actually, if I were in Al Queda, I would not attack the USA now. Outside - yes, and that still happens, but I'd let America destroy itself from within.
Without attacks this was bound to happen. Sooner or later someone would get the idea "This works! Less civil rights = more safety!". This is already a win for terrorists. Now, whether they wait patiently as your representatives take away your rights, effectively weakening (!) the system and losing public support (not just yet, totalitarism creeps in slowly), or just wait until you are already very concerned, but most "normal people" feel safer than ever and _then_ strike - it's just a matter of choice. Both actions will be devastating.
Face it, the terrorists have won. The Patriot Act is a proof and it won't stop here. I'm glad I'm not american. Unfortunately my country "follows Americas lead" in everything, so it won't be long...
Good luck guys. If America doesn't wake up before it's too late, we're all doomed. I was born in communism and I really don't want to see it again as "antiterrorism" in umpteen years.
Nope. It's already there for 7.2, 7.3, 8 and 9. Unfortunately I have a 7.1 here... OK, I'll wait. The machine is quite hard to get to anyway, I should survive one more day. One. OK?
I just finished patching all the machines here, now this. Damn. My work never ends.
It's been said before, but I have to repeat: you only lose your work, because you choose to. Opera has nice session support, which can made the default action at exit, just tell it to "Continue browsing where I was last time" - first position in the "Star and exit" settings. If you like it to ask you - you can. It can ask you whether you really want to close the window, and if you want to save your work. You can even make it save the windows by default, and when you start Opera again it can ask you whether you want to load saved windows/tabs, start with your home page, or nothing at all... It's all in the settings, just go have a look!
Try mouse gestures. They're very comfortable and once you get used to closing the tab with a gesture, moving your mouse far up to close the window feels unusual and therefore unlikely - by mistake, of course.
Just don't use the gesture for opening a new tab. It's convenient too, but too similar to the "tab close" one. A small slip and your top tab closes. I've lost a few nice links that way.
There's also session support in Opera, so you lose nothing, but that was already mentioned by many posters.
Imagine Charon... 'Bad dog Pluto!' That's the way it is, if your dog is bigger than you...
Perhaps. I have only _seen_ XP once, they're so ugly I didn't even want to find out if the interface could be reconfigured to look like 2000.
Most of our machines here are on all the time, with uptimes of a few months (up to 3, mostly due to unreliable power). Even so both Linux and win2000 stay stable. Actually, the GTTGK (Great Trio That Goes Kaboom) - XFree86 + NVidia drivers + KDE and anything Qt crashes more often than Win2000, and though it's usually not fatal, it did make the system completely unusable more than once (shh from another box & reboot).
I have to disagree. Yes, you can squeeze more stability out of Linux as a server, but that's not all. I run only Linux (RedHat 7.1, well tuned in my opinion, but nowhere near what I would put on a server) as my desktop/workstation, and some of the other computers in the room are Wintels. The 98 one is laughable - BSOD every few hours, NT mostly works well enough, but 2000 Professional are completely on par with Linux. I have only seen one of them crash so far, while my own box and other penguins nearby have a worse history. The instability of Windows is a myth nowadays, though from what I heard XP restored the tradition.
Yes, if forced, Linux works better, but the difference is not that big.
Dear RNG! I can't believe it... I'm actually defending Windows... I gotta go wash my hands, gotta go, now, now, NOW!!!
Don't kill, just use it. It exists since... well, I don't know, I've been using it forever. It's probably turned off by default, God knows why.
.ini, and at the same time make the gestures for a new window and for closing a window so !@#$!@#$% similar?!? That's the one thing I hate about gestures, if the mouse drifts a bit too far right while you gesture down, oops, your top window is closed, you don't remember the URL, or even how you got there and there's no history to help you. WHY!?!?! Design, people!
In opera6.ini, opera.ini, or whatever your version names it, section [User Prefs]:
Center Mousebutton Action=2
Voila. I remember I had to dig the webpage to learn that. BTW, read that "Undocumented features" section somewhere at www.opera.com, some nice things can be found.
Ah, I use it under Linux, I'm not sure about Windows. I think it used to work, but I'm really not sure.
Oh, one more thing:
Why, why, oh why make this off by default, only configurable by editing the
Still, Opera is the best for me. Good luck with Phoenix, people, I'm waiting for v.7.0/Linux.